Do you believe the GOP will ban Strip Clubs ?
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Alabama
First time posting about politics on this website. I apologize if this has been discussed already.
I will be honest, I am a Democrat Voter. I'm actually Independent but I lean heavily Democrat because I agree with them on most issues.
My concern with the GOP is their ties with Evangelicals. I don't care what anyone's religion is. What I do care is when you use your religion as bludgeoning weapon to enact policies on people who never wanted that in their lives.
Evangelicals make up a large portion of the GOP base, and I'm afraid they will come after our hobby (moreso than what they already have). I grew up Baptist (ironically) and while I know my indulgence is sinful, I would never seek to steal that experience from someone else. Its one thing to follow the path of your chosen religion, it's another to manifest that into laws to go after segments of the population you don't like.
I will be honest, I am a Democrat Voter. I'm actually Independent but I lean heavily Democrat because I agree with them on most issues.
My concern with the GOP is their ties with Evangelicals. I don't care what anyone's religion is. What I do care is when you use your religion as bludgeoning weapon to enact policies on people who never wanted that in their lives.
Evangelicals make up a large portion of the GOP base, and I'm afraid they will come after our hobby (moreso than what they already have). I grew up Baptist (ironically) and while I know my indulgence is sinful, I would never seek to steal that experience from someone else. Its one thing to follow the path of your chosen religion, it's another to manifest that into laws to go after segments of the population you don't like.
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If they banned strip clubs Donald Trump’s buddy Stormy Daniels wouldn’t have anywhere to work.
It’s lose - lose no matter what side you’re on.
We've had this discussion before in the correlation between better/worse club cities and politics. Liberal Boston sucks but liberal Providence an hour a day is great. Liberal Chicago sucks but liberal Detroit is great. Red Texas and Florida are generally good but it's not uniform across cities (which trend to be blue even in red states). Blue Atlanta in purplish red Georgia is good but on the wane...a local said it's because a lot of clubs were in unincorporated areas but now coming under crusading city councils.
I think it's local, and depends on if the city has bigger fish to fry, or if city council needs a scapegoat.
Oh, and if strip owners know who to bribe and how much.
And it doesn't matter who is in charge. Chicago is run by democratic mayors and the clubs suck.
Partly it mirrors the Bible Belt, where Evangelicals hold significant political control. In true Bible Belt areas, strip clubs (and prostitution) are very low-quality to the point of dead. Part of it is simply size -- the Evangelicals predominate in more sparsely populated places like Mississippi or Kansas, whereas better strip-club culture tends to coagulate around major urban areas like Houston or Miami. Usually. Not always, though, f.e. Kokomo Indiana (never been there, feel free to correct me). Good example for Chicago, too.
I tried to get to the bottom of some of this a few weeks back, with a thread I started on the subject of what might account for good or bad strip-club culture in a region or city. We didn't really get to any good conclusions, but a few arguments were persuasive to me. Specific jurisdictional (city- or township-level) history was demonstrated to be a significant factor, IIRC.
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It's already had more than a little pushback.
As another poster stated, I don't think the GOP has enough fuel to force anything but smaller scale changes. Putting religious rules in public schools and flat out go after multiple businesses that are legally owned and operated are very different animals.
Most attempts by Evangelicals are what I consider "soft moral victories". They don't actually make any changes that have real impact.
Trump doesn't care about strip clubs. If he's elected President, his priority will be to get a Medvedev elected in 2028, or somehow stay in power past January 2029. If he thinks people who are against strip clubs will loyally support him in that priority, he'll close the strip clubs.
Biden doesn't care about strip clubs either. But, for him, his best play is to leave it a non-Federal issue.
Was it Onlyfans. I'm 33 years old. Some people thought porn would kill strip clubs in the 90s with the rise of internet access. We know now that Internet will never replace real human contact. The only reason I go to Strip clubs is for the possibility of OTC and ITC. That's not happening on Onlyfans (regulations on those sites further prevent it).
Escorting still hasn't gone anywhere. I don't see how you can stop two consenting adults from having sex. There will always be another website and VPNs make any attempt to stop this useless.
Linking with escorts was more difficult before the internet. You had to troll casino bars or ride the blade to find street meat. By 2010 or 2011, everyone had smart phones making it easy to link with 304's. Sugar baby-sugar daddy dating websites took off around that same time. Escorting has had a huge boost with the advent of the internet and smart phones. Also value in strip clubs is no longer great: pay $30-40 for a three minute song with nothing sexual or pay $300-400 for an escort or sugar baby for an hour of wick dipping.
Escorting in my neck of woods ranges 120 to 150 for 15 minutes. The hour frame is the same as yours.
I haven't tried sugar babying because I can't find someone willing to do it within my pay range. But taxes around here haven't helped anyone.
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This isn't the Roaring '20s with a lot of disposable income, and coupled with the +20% compounded 4-years of inflation and wages not keeping up makes it is worse.
Einstein, pretty good math guy, once said "Compounding Interest is the 8th Wonder of the World (this applies to YOY Inflation.)
Look how many restaurant chains have shuttered (I recall a post here a month or so ago) that have been around for 40+ years, the prices at McDonalds & Shake Shack are high, not the high end places like Del Friso's that are doing good. Not many people have $100 to spend on 3 LDs or these expensive VIP deals for 15/30 minutes across the country. NYC, sure, I expect it to be expensive but strip clubs in Michell and Lesterville, SD are expensive.
This is more of a disposable shrinking income thing. And I don't think Trump has any effect on SCs at all. And sure, the Republicans are courting religious people in the country just as Democrats are courting their chosen voting sectors.
By way of examples: MA clubs suck ass and you can blame the feminazis for that. MO clubs suck too and you can blame the religious right for that. VA clubs suck the worst and you can probably blame a weird confluence of religious types in the rural parts of VA and feminazis in the DC suburbs of N. VA for that - never let it be said that extremists on either side of the aisle can't agree upon something, lol.
Texas and Florida are among the best.
Each side has its own basis for theoretically being anti-strip clubs / sex work.
Democrats are against objectification of women.
Republicans associate themselves more with religion than Democrats.
Yet, strip clubs exist in both Democrat and Republican ruled jurisdictions. People like sex/seduction....on both sides.
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Within 5 miles from my house there's probably 50 Asian massage parlors, 80% of which an hour with FS for $200. Better yet there's even one where all the ladies are under 30, thin, and offer full GFE including BBBJCIM for the same rate.
Why would a pay $350 or more for 15 minutes with an overweight 40 year old when I can have an hour with a 24 year old spinner who will let me do a lot more?
I pretty much just go to clubs for the eye candy before stopping by my favorite AMP these days. Better service from a better looking women for half the price or less
Some people like HOAs because they prevent certain activities/conditions that they don't like, yet those same people then get upset when HOA prevents them from doing what THEY want to do.
Reminds me of a quote related to the Holocaust....I'll paraphrase....came for the Socialists, and I didn't speak up, as I wasn't one...came for the Jews...didn't speak up, I wasn't one...then they came for me, and there was nobody to stand up for me.
I hope people are smart enough to recognize that the government banning one thing becomes a road to banning other things...things that one may enjoy. How did Prohibition work out ultimately?
And, it could be the same argument regarding why prostitution should be lawful....when something is illegal, it pushes activities underground, increasing risks for all involved.
Then again, there was a debate about daylight savings time during the pandemic crisis (among other times). So, our government has demonstrated a tendency to focus on easy issues vs meaningful ones.
3. If men are married or in committed relationships, they are usually inclined to not go whether they want to or not. Basically strip clubs are bullied by peer pressure.
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Not sure what skibum609's logical procedure is, in this case, for how he got rationally from the first part of his sentence ("we start of[f]") to the latter part ("progressives are ... douchebags"). Evidently he thinks this evidence somehow is "proving once and for all" that conclusion; the absence of reasoning thereby demonstrating the fact that logical connection is entirely unnecessary for him.
I can confirm porn is more restricted when browsing from Louisiana. The front pages of Pornhub and Spankbang redirect automatically to an age-verification requirement of sorts. Funny thing, the previews are still available on the search engines. So if you search for videos on Bing or Google, you'll see dirty stills and even, if you mouse-hover, moving images with sound; but then if you actually click the link, you'll get to a block-out page that demands age verification. Pornhub is up front about it, stating that your location's laws require you to verify; what you see is a blurred front page of Pornhub with an overlay rectangle requiring login credentials. Spankbang is more intrusive; it silently redirects the browser to their paid video-chat-style pages, which are at .xxx rather than .com; you may not even know why you've been redirected unless you suss it out yourself by carefully examining the rewritten URL. I note with some smugness that this state has not had the gall to attempt to control Google or Bing on the issue, the dirty images remain in the search results without age verification.
Of course, this state has its own age-verification service. Personally I'd never turn over private info just so I could tell a government authority I was interested in viewing porn. "Hi there mister policeman, I want you to write me down as a creepy miscreant so the next time you need a scapegoat for some random up-state child-molestation case you can't solve, I'll be first in line to help you frame me. Just look up my credentials!" Nope. And adding to the irony, Louisiana's three main government databases for consumer private info (porn viewing; motor vehicle registration; land title service) were all hacked, each on a different occasion, within six months of the start of this anti-porn system. Further, internet users nearby, f.e. in the panhandle of Florida, report as well that their proximity to blocked locations sometimes get them blocked even though they aren't in a legally blocked jurisdiction.
It's easy to use a very simple VPN, which simply makes your computer pretend that you're somewhere else.
I don't think any of this internet porn-blockage is going to survive constitutional challenges. There's good precedent that it's the Federal government which is in charge of inter-state commerce, including precedent addressing specifically shipment of adult magazines and books, on both Commerce Clause grounds and First Amendment freedom of speech grounds. It seems pretty much a no-brainer. Some suits are already pending. And with this current court, who knows, maybe Clarence has an axe to grind because his big ol' black cock didn't get him the sponsorship deal from Brazzers which he and Ginny auditioned for.
I think this thread has a lot of misinformation, or at least incomplete perspectives. First off, the part of the point of Project 2025 is to migrate power from the states and congress and into the executive branch. Whether or not Trump would be on board with P2025 or whether or not it will be successful is up for debate. However, a big point of it is to bypass the protections that SkiBum and others have pointed out. It is certainly something to be concerned about.
Sinclair's statement about Heritage <> Trump is sorta kinda accurate. More likely, he'll support it if he thinks it will either piss off his political enemies or buy him adulation. He'll block it if he thinks it will do the opposite. I think that reasoning about Trump's principals driving policy is a fools game.
Of note, Speaker Johnson would certainly be in support of a Federal ban of strip clubs. At this point, it seems likely that the Senate will flip Republican and the House will flip Democrat, but really who knows how that will shake out.
I'm not getting into the politics very deeply. What I will say is that I think what saves porn and clubs in the immediate future is the apathy of both political parties.
Trump cares about himself first and foremost, this isn't even issue 4346 on his list of things to handle. As you stated it'll only happen if he thinks it will get him an edge. As of current voting issues that's is extremely doubtful. Johnson needs to focus on keeping his own seat, he is a compromised GOP, despite what right wing media wants you to believe.
I live in a city in North Alabama with a strong evangelical culture and their are 5 active strip clubs here. The worst thing the police accomplished: enforcing pasties. if that's the best they can do, then it says alot about what Evangelicals (modern) actually care about.