Is Joe Biden going to be the Democratic nominee?
Muddy
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Tuesday, June 25, 2024 10:21 PM
Is it too late to change out?
I could see if he has a rough debate here coming up, he'll get some "mysterious illness" and have to step down. The polling is not looking great right now, why would they go ahead if they think they are going to lose.
Gavin Newsome. Record is bad but he can talk real well, tall and handsome. Has the balls to go on conservative media. Dangerous. But California plan is probably too far left for swing state voters.
Hillary Clinton. I would never count her out.
Michelle Obama. Never a politician, would she be ready in a few months?
If I was running the Dem party I just ask one of these moderate Dem governors to run. Andy Beshear of Kentucky, Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania. Those guys could actually win.
I could see if he has a rough debate here coming up, he'll get some "mysterious illness" and have to step down. The polling is not looking great right now, why would they go ahead if they think they are going to lose.
Gavin Newsome. Record is bad but he can talk real well, tall and handsome. Has the balls to go on conservative media. Dangerous. But California plan is probably too far left for swing state voters.
Hillary Clinton. I would never count her out.
Michelle Obama. Never a politician, would she be ready in a few months?
If I was running the Dem party I just ask one of these moderate Dem governors to run. Andy Beshear of Kentucky, Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania. Those guys could actually win.
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Unless the man succumbs to a serious illness, injury or, heaven forbid, death, he will be the nominee.
Case closed.
His debate performance won't mean a damn to being the nominee.
That still holds in 2024.
No other Democrat has a chance of beating Trump.
The problem is that Biden might still be their best possible option. When they were running polls of Michelle/Newsom/Whitmer/Harris/Biden against Trump, Biden actually performed BETTER than the others.
Would the DEI party tell a black female to get to the back of the bus, except for another black female? Michelle Obama has repeatedly said she didn't want to run, and Kamala Harris came in 5th in her own home state's primaries. Really, Trump would smoke Harris like a Cuban cigar. Unless they were to run that non-binary transvestite puppy-play clothes thief, they don't have anyone who touches more of their demographic orgasm boxes. Hillary Clinton, I have a better chance of fucking her in the ass tonight than she does of beating Trump.
But it wouldn't matter. Any Democrat would be controlled by the same group of donors, radical activists, and party powerbrokers. We'd only hear it expressed in a slightly more articulate fashion.
Biden was the only one they could grab that had a chance to beat Trump and still is.
Of course, the Dems want to win, but they aren't winning against Trump with anyone else. Heck, the Republicans would have preferred anyone to Trump, but he beat everyone they threw at him.
And the people weren't picking Biden as something akin to Clinton. It was to piggyback off what he did with Obama.
Biden is the nominee. He will win the popular vote by a huge margin and squeak out the electoral college.
The effect all of this will have on me? I will have to fail to declare more cash to make up for the huge tax increase coming in 2025, when the tax cuts expire for everyone who works and makes over $20,000.00 a year.
Because Biden has to ask Americans "who are ya gonna believe, me or yer lyin' eyes?" (Or gas receipt, or grocery receipt)
No other Dem would do better since they're offering the same policies, some even moreso. Can you imagine Newsom?-- the campaign ads of "make America Oakland" would write themselves!
LOL
Dudes just like saying any old thang when it comes to politics.
should these two take piss tests before and after their anticipated debate?
It's gonna be a shit show. Trump has given some truly unhinged speeches lately.
“Abortion is the only reason we're still talking about this. If not for Dobbs, the only debate would be if Trump clears 400 EVs.”
You and I are consistently on opposite sides when it comes to the Very Stable Genius but your statement falls into the category of “if my aunt had a dick she’d be my uncle.”
Of course Dobbs is an issue. Abortion has been a hyper voting issue since before we all were born and President 34 Felonies is taking credit for it. McConnell was the principal orchestrator of controlling the court appointments, but that’s another conversation. We’re here in a close race precisely because it’s a close race.
But my point is that we're in a much different situation than 2020, and this wouldn't be much of a race if this one thing didn't happen.
You might not like him (I'm a pretty reluctant Trumper myself), but you have to admit he's much more disciplined than he was in 20.
but she checks all the woke boxes that got her the VP slot in the first place.
It *could* happen, but it ain't gonna happen.
I also don't think Trump is ideologically that different from "traditional" conservatives. If anything he's back towards the pre-neocon strain that warned against getting entangled in foreign affairs.
The big Trump difference is temperamental. He's bombastic, a cad, an asshole (I doubt he'd even say otherwise in private), but he doesn't back down. He's not one of the wishy washy Republicans who's content to put up token resistance to the left. Even if he was born with a silver spoon up his ass and made his bones in Manhattan real estate, he doesn't tell the working class that they're backwards tards who don't know what's best for them. The wokes are bad, and probably the worst of them, but even mainstream Dems insult the working class (particularly the white working class) regularly.
@skibum - pretty much with you. I've gone from being a vocal Never-Trumper to donating A LOT to his campaign.
Now, if you had said that you are wasting your time listening to two demented old political hacks shouting, mumbling, rambling, and spittling all over the stage all over the stage on live TV for two hours, you would have been right. That said, I'll probably have it on in the background anyway, just to provide context for the analysts later.
Inflation + probably mandatory trans quotas in strip clubs.
I'll get fired and cancelled because I won't suck "her" dick.
I wonder what occurs if a candidate is added to ballot, then passes away shortly before election.
If Biden were to pass away, and is on ballot, and has more electoral votes than Trump, would the Democratic VP immediately become the President-elect?
For the sake of the country I hope Biden doesn't go trick or treating on Halloween as it would be dangerous so close to the election to get such a sugar high.
I hope he dies right in the middle of the debate tonight.
LMAO! What else could we expect from the eternal kool aide drinking delusional leftist shill? the reincarnation of rumdummember?
why it's wild4testes whose definition of substance is the disjointed mumbling slurred gibberish known as biden speak!
Truth is I know he still reads my comments.
I don't know who john king is, but he sounds like he might just be wild4testes.
you guys are too much 😂😂😂
Jism Jill: "You did such a good job, Joe, you answered every question. Here's your participation trophy and a juice box"
Even CNN couldn't stop fact checking all of Joe's lies!
Trump made more than 30 false claims during CNN’s presidential debate — far more than Biden
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com…
Gamma referenced CNN's fact checking so I posted their actual assessment. Why don't you help us out and point out where their assessment is off ? You won't find any robust fact checking tally on Fox News, I wonder why that is.
"Fact checking" is a marketing scheme for dying outlets to pander to their audience. Not a guarantee of objectivity, especially from an outlet who fired a CEO because he had the gall to move coverage back to the center. It's yet another spin outlet
Nor do I care what the left's all-purpose bete noire Fox News says, as I don't watch them either. Go ahead and tilt at that windmill, I don't care. I read a number of sources and decide what argument has the most merit.
You'll never catch me saying that Trump never lies--he speaks without regard for the truth, only for what's convenient, and only gets corrected later. I don't defend him as anything other than the main bulwark against the forces of chaos right now.
Ok post “debate”, I’m going to say that it *should* happen. Biden is beyond fucked and so is this election unless you like making American great again. He should be allowed to order lunch much less the us military.
"Why did you make this BS thread?
Unless the man succumbs to a serious illness, injury or, heaven forbid, death, he will be the nominee. Case closed. His debate performance won't mean a damn to being the nominee."
I think there’s a chance the power players in the Democratic party watched the debate and whispered amongst themselves “we are fucked”. Sticking with Biden will guarantee a win for Trump. There might be a strong enough voice to force him to bow out.
* they had to have known how far gone he is, yet have covered it up until now. LIARS.
* 99% of the dems legislators are saying "we are backing Biden", pretending he can do the job, even though they know he is unfit. LIARS.
* the party is saying that the only person in America who can choose whether Biden will run or not is Joe. So, the decision whether or not we hand the country back to Trump with a new hall pass from the supreme court is sitting with one old man because he's "stubborn". CHICKEN SHIT ASSHOLES.
Every day dems delay in calling this pig a pig, they prove to their constituency that they are craven cowardly liars who don't deserve our votes. Dems are going to get what they deserve in November: a rout. Americans are going to get a 4 year shit show from a wannabe dictator, and the Dems had 4 damn years to prevent it by not being lying chicken shit assholes. But now, it's too late.
To be clear, I will still vote for this POS dem POTUS, I'd rather vote for my cat than Trump. But fuck these democrats. They don't deserve shit.
I'm seeing a near even split from pundits, party operatives, and donors as to whether or not Biden should leave, but any political message board I follow it's 90% Biden has to go. The First Cunt won't permit that, and even if Joe is forced out against his will, it will cause a schism in the party and leave them with Harris, because the identity obsessed party could never push aside a black woman.
This will send waves down the ticket too, as the naked dishonesty of the Democratic party and liberal media is no longer debatable.
Yesterday afternoon, The NY Times published a piece citing an anonymous close advisor to Biden, or something like that. The source said Biden asked if he should withdraw. I took the fact that a close advisor was allowed to go to the press with that story as Biden floating a balloon to see what the reaction will be if he pulls out. I didn’t think it was possible before, but I think there’s actually a realistic chance he pulls out. Kamala hasn’t distinguished herself as VP and wasn’t doing well in the 2020 primaries so she’s not my first or sixth choice. I know nothing about Shapiro, but some combination of him, Newsome, Whitmer, Pritzker, Jefferies or Moore would give us the best chance to avoid another four years of Cheeto Mussolini.
Xi, Putin, Kim, and Khamenei have to be licking their chops over attacking the US outside of President McVegetable's 10a-4p window of lucidity.
My opinion is my own.
President Sundowning is a danger to America, more than anyone else in the race. He still has 6 months to get tested.
But like I said my opinions are my own, you folks are incredibly indoctrinated by the maga bullshit.
I stand by this statement 1000%
Under which presidents did Russia make territorial incursions? Barack "more latitude after the election" Obama and Joe "minor incursion" Biden.
Which presidents coddled Iran? Not Trump, who quickly droned the guy who attacked the American embassy. Obama's nuclear deal without verification and Biden under whom an American passport became worth a billion dollars.
Calling something MAGA is not a logical refutation.
I don’t care to engage in debate with someone who saw DJT leave a summit with Putin and say, ‘ I don’t he says he didn’t interfere in our elections, why shouldn’t I take him at his word’
That’s not the exact quote from Helsinki but it’s pretty clear he said words to that effect, we all saw it live at the news conference at the summit b
There’s plenty more just like that from ‘there were very fine people on both sides’ through ‘we won the election’.
Now I’m going to get my barbecue started I have about 30 friends and neighbors due to be here by 330-4 PM and I aim to have some good food, some liquor, enjoy my company, then watch the fireworks this evening
The summit doesn't affect my daily life--shit, I'd be shocked if we, Russia, and China WEREN'T intervening in each others' elections.
"Very fine people" is completely out of context and refers to the removal of statues. If you're going to cite that, at least be honest and point out where he said neo-Nazis "should be condemned totally"
Have fun barbecuing.
Let's flip the question and ask - who has done more to strengthen NATO and diminish Russian power, Biden or Trump? No contest there.
Putin knows Biden is more of a threat. Trump has basically telegraphed he is willing to cut a deal, and quickly. This would almost certainly cede Ukrainian land to Russia. And provide more incentive for bad actors to plan their next move. For this reason alone, Trump is unfit to be leader of the free world again.
Obama showed weakness in the US response to Crimea. Trump was a one term president who just got lucky on timing, there's no evidence anything he did deterred anything. It's an unproven right wing talking point. Putin might have been thinking Dems would again be passive on Ukraine, but Biden has cleary disproven that.
From a forward looking perspective, it's clear which party will be a stronger world leader and defender of democracy.
Trump got NATO paying; Minor Incursion Biden got Russia into Ukraine, and is giving them JUST enough to prolong the war. He has a legacy of failure from Russia to Gaza to Iran to Afghanistan.
I know how you think because we're seeing a lot of it here...you can't attribute ANYTHING positive to Trump so you come up with these bullshit rationalizations. Putin moved in Crimea under More Latitude after the Election Obama, and Ukraine under Minor Incursion Biden, but not under Trump, so Trump was "lucky." Did Putin decide, fuck it, I don't want Ukraine, under Trump?
Democrats are the party of weakness and diffidence abroad. They are concerned with being liked in Turtle Bay, Brussels, and Davos. But in AMERICA where it matters, Biden is MINUS-27(!!!) in approval rating! https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/a…
Of course you think you're somehow more enlightened than the rest of the American people, but to people using facts and logic, you're just a rationalizing idiot who's embarrassing himself here.
Wld4testes is as full of shit as 25. There's no grand vacation. He just needed more time to get talking points from the DNC. Neither of them can just shut up and admit when they are wrong.
"It's gonna be a shit show. Trump has given some truly unhinged speeches lately."
- Trump was so poised and calm that the plan B talking points of "Biden won on substance, Trump won on style" had to get peddled.
"I’m wondering if Trump will shit his pants mid-debate!"
- From the looks of the way that mf'er shuffled off the stage at the end and had to get helped down a small step, I'm wondering if Biden shit HIS pants... tell me that dude doesn't have some diapers on. Just look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0djN1AR7…
But look how nice he is, shaking the moderators' hands after it was over. What a nice guy. Just admit it, you don't like Trump because he's an asshole. You pretend it's because he's a criminal, but you know Biden is too and you turn a blind eye. Burisma, the "big guy" ... c'mon, you aren't really stupid enough to think Joe Biden is a some straight shooter lifelong politician from Scranton who has a clean nose are you? Vote for whoever tf you want to but at least admit what it's really about.
ROFLMAO
Clearly lacking a good argument that Biden hasn't been strong on Ukraine, he pivots to a talking point that Biden caused the invasion, and some irrelevant nonsense about Turtle Bay and Davos. Here's what PuddyTat omits with his minor incursion talking point. First, Russia was already massing on the border by that time. Second, the White House issued a subsequent clear statement that the response to any Russian forces crossing the border would be swift, severe, and united. And third, Putin attempted far more than a minor incursion. Only a fool, or a low information voter, would conclude that Biden's statement had any impact on Putin's plans.
Trump gets some credit for getting NATO members to spend more on defense, but otherwise he's been a disaster for our Western alliances. Not only did Biden strengthen our alliances, but NATO members have continued to increase their defense spending since Biden took office.
PuddyTat is flailing with his weak and irrelevant counterpoints, that disprove nothing in my earlier post. When it comes to biased bullshit, he needs to look in the mirror.
Strong on Ukraine? Showing weakness everywhere isn't strong in anything, from groveling before the mullahs to humiliating us in Afghanistan. Now, our halfway response means Ukraine is out of military age men.
Again, you have no counter for the fact that Putin did not invade under Trump. I can just keep pointing that out and you have nothing to say.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rambling-bide…
You cannot seriously boast about your love of country and veterans while trying to boost this jerk. It is mutually exclusive at a fundamental level.
Now Putin is counting on a Trump/Vance win to cede Ukraine territory and help Putin win. What a shameful moment that will be for the US if that happens.
No. Skibum said it best, look under whom Putin invaded. Ukraine is getting ground to dust. They're running out of soldiers. Russia is far more committed to victory there than the west is.
Resuming aid to the Palestine death cult and funds to Iran is directly responsible for that situation. We also look piss ass weak in the Afghanistan withdrawal and against China. We have imported millions of criminals and terrorists over the southern border.
Obama and Biden have straight up given up our asshole to foreign enemies.
Trump/Vance 2024 to be stronger and respected in the world.
Not sure if I’m allowed to say this since Trump’s granddaughter is in 17, but she’s a cute one
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/18/preside…
As usual, those so blinded by your own biases couldn't see just how frail this old man was. People in his own corner begging him to leave. The hubris to think you know the future and mock those who ask legitimate questions...
"I love these "is the sky pink?" threads. Biden is the nominee. He will win the popular vote by a huge margin"
I hope he stays in the race, but is the sky looking a little more pink now?
Obama tells allies Biden needs to seriously consider his viability | https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/…
And the other tea leaf is the DNC postponing the virtual roll call vote. Which gives the party more time to maneuver on a replacement candidate.
I think it was another thread I said this in, but my prediction has always been that Obama would be the one to tip the scales. I thought it unlikely that Biden would drop out last week, now I'm thinking it's likely with Obama weighing in. I think the two of them do have a solid relationship and Obama is one of the few people that has the gravitas to actually make a sitting POTUS listen.
Betting markets have the odds of Biden dropping out at 67% right now.
Doesn't help that he seems to stumble over words every appearance.
I don't think Harris improves their odds much, though. She came in 5th in her home state.
538's model right now has Biden at a 54% of winning.
Nate Silver, 538's founder who has since left and has his own model (that you have to pay for), gives Biden a 30% chance of winning. Though I don't like the news Nate carries, I have more faith in his model than that of his former colleagues. Nate knows his shit.
The problem Trump faces is he has a very low ceiling, due to a number of liabilities, such as Roe, a felony conviction and attempting to overturn the last election. He has a very energized base but that alone won't be enough to prevail in November. If there's a high turnout election, he'll lose. His best hope is that Biden stays in the race and Dem enthusiasm is low.
A new candidate, whether it's Kamala, Newsom or someone else will be a game changer. Watch if this happens, suddenly Trump's age will be a seriously liability, and every week will be shark week.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/…
It is over. Pelosi, Schumer, Jeffries, and even Obama now have told Biden he cannot win. Stick a fork in him. He had a chance to step aside honorable, and now suffers the shame and indignity of having been told to move out of the way. The original post has been answered "No." So who takes over? Whitmer and Newsom are nationally unpopular. Everyone knows the wicked witch of the north shut down her own state and wanted Michigan state police to arrest people just for leaving their homes. Newsom got his ass handed to him by DeSantis, and even his own in-laws publicly boasted of quitting CA for FL. If they drop Harris, they will lose 80% of the black female vote. This is quite a pickle.
He can barely walk, and looks stoned most of the time. The only reason I can think of that Jill and Hunter want him to continue is so that he dies in office, so he gets more attention.
"Roe" - he supports the 3 exceptions and has stated multiple times he will not support a federal ban. keeps abortion status quo, nothing rocking the boat here.
"a felony conviction" - nobody cares
"attempting to overturn the last election" - even fewer people care. it's been 4 years, what's next, going to call the russia hoax a liability?
"A new candidate, whether it's Kamala, Newsom or someone else will be a game changer. Watch if this happens, suddenly Trump's age will be a seriously liability, and every week will be shark week."
RealClear shows Trump +4 vs Harris, but that was before they tried to kill him, so I expect that would be a wider margin today.
Trump's only 4 years younger than Biden but he seems about 20 years younger. Compared to Harris/Newsome he'd obviously look older, but I haven't even seen dems try to paint Trump as "old guy" yet. It would be a bad move to label someone as "old" while they told us all how capable a walking corpse was for 4 years.
Trump has a low ceiling but as Biden has stumbled, he has built on his lead and has crazy momentum right now. He regarded as a hero, even divinely protected, after the assassination attempt. Even left commentators said the Republican convention is suffused with enthusiasm and optimism. JD Vance wasn't my first choice but he's putting a younger face on the GOP, and is going to make Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan even harder for Democrats.
Moreover, Trump, despite leading the average of polls, has outperformed his polls in the last couple elections and has a couple points natural advantage in the electoral college.
Dems are in quite a predicament. Harris was chosen for having the right skin color and gonads. Uncharismatic and owns the administration's greatest fuckup, the border. But if they push her out, they'll anger the intersectionality party, not to mention lose campaign funds.
Newsom loses handily as well. All the Republicans have to do is run clips of crime and urban blight in California. America doesn't want to be California, the moving data says it all.
The issue isn't Biden's age, it's his mental capabilities. Trump just showed brass balls in the assassination attempt. He hasn't magically aged since the debate.
In short, none of the trends favor the Democrats right now. If they want to win, Democrats need to coalesce around one person, greasing palms if they have to. And put forth some kind of alternative vision. Trump fear got them where they are now, behind, in chaos, and failing hard in damage control. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Trump couldn't have wished for better enemies. Talk about the devil's own luck.
Magic 8 Ball went from “Reply hazy, try again” to “As I see it, yes”.
LOL It's pure right wing fantasy to think Trump would have deterred Putin in a second term. I'm going to spend even less time than you did, arguing with an idiot.
Speculating on the past is ultimately a waste of time. What matters is where we are now and what happens next. Ceding Ukrainian territory to Russia will not make the US respected again, just the opposite.
Here's a few more facts:
- Under Trump, the economy lost 2.9 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.6% to 6.3%.
- The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016.
- The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.
- The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.
- The murder rate rose to the highest level since 1997.
https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-si…
Biden couldn’t give a 10 minute speech without staring unblinking at the teleprompter.
It's pure left wing blindness not to notice he didn't invade under Trump like he did under Latitude Obama and Minor Incursion Biden.
What are you willing to sacrifice to drive Russia out? How many trillions of dollars? How many American and European lives, since the average Ukrainian soldier is middle aged and so many military aged men have fled the country? Numbers, please.
Biden Campaign: Gets sniffle and goes home.
Meanwhile, in Delaware: "Joe, no one likes you, just drop out already."
Ouch.
Time is on Biden's side. The DNC has made it clear that they will conduct the virtual delegate roll call to nominate Biden no later than August 5th in order to avoid potential legal complications in Ohio. All Biden has to do now is sit tight for two more weeks.
Of course I notice that. You are blind if you think I don't.
But nobody knows what Putin's plans were for 2016-2020. Russia had just annexed Crimea in 2014 and it's very plausible Putin was solidifying a new base before moving to his next phase. How do you know Putin was definitely planning to invade again in 2016-20 but Trump got elected and deterred him? Are you psychic? Anyone who states this as a fact is detached from reality.
Of course, the democrat party and their liberal shills downplay and ignore how weak they are on national security. They let our foreign enemies run amok inside and outside our borders, while making up domestic "white nationalist" boogeyman campfire stories and fabricating criminal charges against their political opposition.
Now we have Harris who came in 5th in her home state and owns the border fiasco. This is going to be interesting.
Trump/Vance 2024, bitches.
Fox News called her an extreme radical liberal
The NY Times called her a moderate
4 years later I’m still not sure who she is. She doesn’t seem very smart but I’m afraid she could make a race out of it just because she gets DEI votes even if the far left viewed her 4 years ago as a law and order centrist.
"- Under Trump, the economy lost 2.9 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.6% to 6.3%."
Unemployment numbers were historically low under Trump's first 3 years, and then this thing called "Covid" hit which is the sole cause of that spike, and you know it.
"- The murder rate rose to the highest level since 1997."
And in 2021, 2022, and 2023, it was higher than it was in 2018 or 2019. Under Biden it's been worse. But unlike you, I don't suck political dick, so I understand that there are many variables here, and that a single person can't be blamed for a murder rate, so I'm not screaming at Biden for everything wrong with America.
I can be objective. Your point about going further into debt is true. In fact, the only spender bigger than Trump is Biden. But you're either stupid, or just plain misleading. I understand stupidity, but intentionally misrepresenting facts is real bush league shit.
So which one is it, you fucking prick?
Guess you missed the point, dopey. Those are not figures I usually cite, but they were in response to others repeating right wing talking points out of context. Of course context is important. If someone wants to pin all the Covid-related issues that happened under Biden on Biden, then one should equally pin all the issues that happened under Trump on Trump. Fair, no?
This post did have out of context facts but was in jest, which you missed. Let's see if you're willing to call out similar posts from the TUSCL right wingers. If you can't, then I will conclude you are biased.