Interesting Stripper Conversation and Meeting the Her Generous Fiance/Client

Honestly, what more proof do you people need?

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. I've heard countless stories -- from the deluded guys themselves -- about how they give away $$$ for the measliest little crumb. It's disgusting. Guys should have more self respect than that, and should refuse to dole out any money unless they are getting sex in a clear, above-board bargained for transaction.

(Oh, and apparently I have to make a special exception for you fetish guys who pay money to be able to treated like a child or engage in some other psychodrama. Weird and creepy shit to me, but who am I to judge, eh?)

But to finance some sugarbaby who is laughing at you behind your back -- c'mon man, don't let down the home team, put some starch in your backbone!

One thing she said caught me off guard completely. She thought she was being under paid. YIKES!!! :) I told her that I'd be his fiance for that type of cash and NO sexual favors required. He asks me when the marriage date is I can answer that I have migrane and need more money for specialists or that only god knows the date and if I had more money to give to starving children then maybe god would grant a date quicker or etc.

She didn't like the idea that I was interested in her man one bit, but then she started laughing and says you too old and don't got the body so knock yourself out. :)

Oh, the poor guy supposedly has never been to a strip club and after meeting him it is easy to believe. He knows that she works at Angels----> as a bartender (I think she served a customer a drink once some years back). She thinks he might drop dead if he knew it was more than that. Extremely shy and desperate guy. I felt sorry for him.

I would love to meet this hustler and see if I could be the first guy to tell her no (and "No, I won't give you $200, here's $500" does count). She has a guy in the string for sex, a guy on the string for room and board and transportation and a guy on the string for cash. I can only wonder how many more strings this seductive shark has spinning.

Opps

(and "No, I won't give you $200, here's $500" does *not* count).

Not to that extreme, but I saw a guy in a club I once frequented with some co-workers, that would pay for a table dance, then tell the dancer NOT to take off her clothes. He would not touch her, nor wish for her to touch him! We saw him most every time we visited that club. We once asked her about him and she just said that what we saw is just how it is. He now just asks for the dance, pays her, and says nothing more. Weird!

Her justifications for being a *hustler* (her word) is that she has a child to support, all men are liars, and she has weaknesses that are also exploited.

Yes, she thinks the man is getting screwed but that is just the way society works and besides he doesn't need young and hot. She gave an example of her gambling at the casinos. She will drive by and it takes all her strength just to drive by and if she made a lot of money it is almost impossible not to make the short drive and live it up. One day she had made $2,000 (Yes, at Angels). So she knew that she had to go to the casino, but she was going to be smart about it. She budgeted a $200 loss and figured that will be her cost for a night of fun. She parked as far as possible from the entrance and hid $1,800 in her car. In under 5 minutes the $200 was GONE! Repeat the process a few times and the entire $2,000+ was GONE. And, it wasn't fun. It just hurt real bad.

So, she asks me is anyone going to be protecting me from losing $2,000 in less than 2 hours? That good guy has his weaknesses and I have mine. It is just the way things are setup. I do understand and sympathize with what she is saying. I had many thousands of dollars stolen from by a crooked court system and was denied a jury trial--the judge claimed he didn't see where it made a difference. LOL! I told him, I get a jury trial and the odds are overwhelming that I not only win, but collect some hefty damages to boot. He says you're not a lawyer. I say not only did the very high priced lawyer who agreed to handle the case think my position was very strong, but other lawyers gave me the same advice. This was a 1 hour case max, which took years and years and I just don't have ANY rights in this country. He says you have the right to appeal. I said that assumes I have the money to appeal and do you think the appellate judges will do a better job than you? Nothing, but silence. My attorney broke the awkward moment, but I don't recall what he said exactly. Something, about challenging the other side's attorneys' fees. That is a huge scam from what I've seen where the judge just dramatically increases the fees. Lawyers awarding fees to their fellow lawyers. Brilliant. Just Brilliant.

Hi JayADay,

She gets her share of NOs. :) She worked at a black club where it appears the black customers prefer plenty of blubber--think WHALES and harpooning. She is small and slender with a beautiful heart shaped ass that is perfect. I'm not an ass man, but she is fine enough for me to take special note.

The story of her $200 per 15 minute customer is sort of interesting. He doesn't go to strip clubs and he is very shy. How did she meet him? Panhandling. :) Yeah, sounds strange but if you know her you know that she forgets to fillup and that she might not have a dime on her (gambling or spending). The story goes she did a little shopping and her car stalls out as she is starting to leave the parking lot. Light bulb goes on and she remembers that she kept forgetting to get gas. Fortunately there is a gas station very close by, but then she remember she didn't even have enough money to pay for everything she was attempting to buy. She doesn't even have a $1. Just a bit of change. What to do?

Well, she says stripping takes away your inhibitions if you had any so it was nothing for her to start asking people for money. Most said NO and a few said yes. The last guy to say yes was the $200 per 15 minute man. He could barely talk when she first approached him. He just couldn't believe that she would talk to him. She started to walk away in disgust because she couldn't even get a NO out of him. He starts coughing and she sees he is holding out his wallet. His hands are shaking, but he pulls out his entire bankroll----$3 and hands it to her. :)

He apologizes to her and says how beautiful she is. But, he is still having a hard time speaking. She thought it was a disability and only later learned it was because he was in awe of her beauty. She was sort of shocked he ask for her number! And, then he apologized, but explained that he just wanted to be helpful. He looked beaten when she said to him that she would take his number and call him if she needed help. She almost forgot about calling him and wasn't planning to anyway, but she ran out of money and saw the number and remembered his offer of help. Sure enough he was eager to help and she was off and making $$$.

IMHO this may be the most insightful thread I have ever this board. This one really addresses the HUMAN CONDITION and points out how different people's needs/drives are. There is a physical and sexual relationship known as sadomasochism. I'm sure most of you are aware of it. One person enjoys inflicting pain and another needs to suffer -- a PERFECT MATCH. The situation jablake describes is not sadomasochism but you can see the similarity I am sure. Actually in a way it is just an extreme case of the whole strip club scene: some of us refer to ourselves as PLs (Pathetic Losers) or Perverts. We have an excess of cash and a shortage of attention/intimacy from sexy babes. WE FIT RIGHT IN. For NJSCFAN to blithely say, "guys should have more self-respect than that" is true enough, but is also extremely judgmental and ignores the reality that plenty of gals and guys have weaknesses that they just cannot control. I was especially moved by the story of how the cute female hustler gave in to her own weakness -- gambling -- the long walks back and forth to the car to get more gambling-cash until it is ALL GONE. If anything, her addiction is harsher than her sugar daddy's. I would bet that the Sugar Daddy has plenty of cash to waste the way he does, but it is SO SAD that he thinks he has a real relationship with this cute little scam artist. WHAT A FANTASY. Perhaps one day he will tell his story to an ethical counselor, and get his head straightened out a bit. But I kind of doubt it.

Well of course people have weaknesses (I myself have a terrible weakness for pussy). But there is something very troubling about this particular weakness.

First, when someone preys on a person who is addicted to anything, I find that really appalling. A drug addict certainly has a weakness, and on some level you can't blame them for feeding their habit. Still, I find the drug dealer a pretty disgusting person -- essentially deliberately taking advantage of someone and scamming them. This woman sounds exactly like that. The fact that she has had a hard life, etc., really is not an excuse in my book. At some point we have to assign responsbility to people. So urging guys to stop being suckers for these women is no different than urging a drug addict to give up his/her drug of choice.

Second, this is a very special type of scam, even worse than the drug dealer scenario. Even the very worst addict knows he is being taken advantage of by his "dealer". But here the guy is completely delusional. This is more like the hucksters on TV who prey on old people by making appeals for money right after they get their social security checks. That level of deception is uniquely horrible. The fact that the scam artist is selling "love" (or like the televangelists, "God") makes it only worse.

Sorry if it sounds judgmental but it is depressing to always hear some of the lonely guys on this site getting their "friendship" for pay. I really do wish the best for them, and I really do believe they would be better off if they gave up that fantasy.

Hi njscfan,

By all means *assign responsibility to people*. Just make sure you're properly assigning that responsibility. An obese person walks into Publix or Burger King and of course these businesses should police this individual and refuse his business unless the food he wishing to purchase ain't fattening. To do otherwise could be considered *predatory* or even *criminal*.

Government has made big business out of misassigning responsiblity not to mention abusing the English language. :)

What are the "sugar daddy's" real options? Be with a women his own age? Have some freaking compassion! $200 for 15 minutes is better than that. :) A strip club? Remember he is very shy and would be afraid to go to a strip club (he really wanted to visit her at Angels, but said the naked ladies would be too much for him). Besides, his god might send him to the ever lasting lake of fire for such sins. He is desperate for affection from a hottie and given his looks, personality, morals, health, etc. more likely than not he is going to have to PAY for that privilege just as other people pay for sex.

Besides, he sure was Mr. Happy just seeing her. He even tried to be a "man" emphasizing that she was HIS fiance. :)

Hi arbeeguy,

If you asked the "sugar daddy" whether his life was better with or without her, then I pretty damn sure he would say without her he didn't have a life. It can be too easy to moralize or know what is in other people's best interest better than they know.

The poor druggie: Of course, the judgement is that the druggie is better off without drugs. Any dummy could see or know that! But, is that truly the case? I suffer from severe depression. Even other people who think they feel the same way or have similar symptoms may not truly understand what I'm feeling. If drugs worked for *my* depression, then I'd be downing by the bucket or inject as often as possible more likely than not. The end results may be disasterous; homeless, no family, craving a fix that I can't afford, etc. etc. etc. I'm not sure that would be a bad trade off depending on how much relief I could get before the "wheels fell off." Also, that is a worse case scenario assuming one doesn't believe death is worst case.

Anyway, other people would probably think they know better than me what is best for me. Worse, they might claim to know how I feel. My father, an extremely bright man, had this insanity that because he could stop drinking or smoking or whatever that therefore everyone else could kick their addiction. He LOVED cigars. His health convinced him to stop and he did. Someone else might continue smoking even as body parts are being hacked off left and right.

I don't know what exactly "sugar daddy" is feeling, but he sure seemed like he was in heaven when he saw his hot fiance. What is a fair price for that? Does it make a difference if he is worth billions or millions? Perhaps he shouldn't be allowed to pay for this little bit of joy?

I've told the story about the disgusting biker who said anyone who paid for pussy was a pussy who can't get any otherwise. I asked for a picture of his woman and suddenly he gets all defensive. He says looks aren't everything and she knows who the man is and etc. For this biker apparently any female was good as long as he didn't have to pay. And, perhaps he genuinely didn't care about looks. More than a few women feel looks are unimportant in choosing a man.

I'd rather pay $200 for 15 minutes of conversation with a hottie than be intimate at any price or NO price with an ugly woman if those were the only 2 choices. Who is right?

For many people the answer is so obvious. They know paying for sex is wrong and unless I'm married to the ugly woman and wanting children that is also wrong. CELIBACY is their motto. Similarly for many people it is obvious the $200 for 15 minutes of conversation is wrong. Well, I know it is definitely wrong for me! :) For $200, I don't necessarily need sex, but I need a lot of contact and conversation and a smoking hot young body! :)

Where do these people come from? Ethics and morals are useless to many people in this lifestyle. And please, no responses to this about morals being relative or we are all getting our needs filled in some way or some other way to legitimize fucking people over. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

"Right is right and wrong is wrong."

I would think that is a joke, but too many people actually believe that. I hate to admit it, but my first very strong impression after meeting the man was that what she was doing was totally sleazy. What I found sleazy wasn't the agreeing to be his fiance with a date that she refused to set after years. And, of course it wasn't her lack of putting out for him. Sorry fellas, but there is plenty of sex for hire if that is his major interest. It wasn't even her "taking advantage of him."

What made me disgusted initially was the lack of time she was giving him. She made him so happy and yet it is a big deal to give him more than 15 minutes? When I confronted her about her behaviour in relation to her Bible reading and professed belief in God, she surprisingly admitted that she thought what she was doing was wrong. But, even IF she didn't need the money she didn't think she could stop----get this, because it would hurt him too much. :) However, the 15 minute part she didn't think was sleazy at all and felt that the less time he spent with her the better and not because she was in a major rush all the time or that he was horrible to be with. So, why give so little? She said because she was afraid he would fall even more in love and supposedly in a strong moment she had tried to cut the relationship off and he started crying. :(

After meeting him that is very easy to imagine that he cries easily. He seemed like a very sensitive person. Unfortunately, hot and young is a definite requirement for him. It is a definite requirement for me, also.

Her bottom line rationalization was that she needs the money and it was God who provided the solution just as God had also provided the solution to the man's need for young and hot. If God didn't want her to be a stripper, then he would have provided her with a different family and some real opportunities. Her suffering and the man's suffering didn't make much difference in the end because she was convinced they were both going to Heaven. In fact, she believed it was God's plan for *everyone* to ultimately go to Heaven. Just that for some it would take longer than for others.

She was very interested in reading the Bible with me. She for some reason thinks it is a great book. I explained that I was exposed to it as child and didn't care for it. That left her with a look of incredulity that was priceless. :) Helpfully she offered that maybe I needed the simple English version because the "original" version was very difficult to understand. :) Oh, apparently God provided the solution to her need for 3 of my books. The "little scammer" for whatever reason really wanted those books and she had whined that I have so many books what would it hurt to just give her 3 books? Of course, she didn't understand at all when I told her I didn't like giving books away and that she should buy her own. So add 3 books taken to her list of exploits.

Well, you should all be just like me because I'm more likable than anyone else. If you don't pick the thing which you should pick, then you haven't picked the right one. :)

Jablake, my hat is off to you for your very interesting post(s). Yes, the concept that "right is right and wrong is wrong" doesn't really seem to describe the issues involved here, and (yes) I agree with you that the main problem with the StripperUserofMen - is how little time and effort she put into chatting up the old man.
As an earlier post noted, the parallels between the StripperUser and today's televangelists are striking; my guess would be the feeling of the old man that he had a babe fiance, and the feelings of televangelists' elderly victims (thinking that they are the prime force of good in the fight against evil) are very similar.
As I get older, I am less sure that this sort of stupid delusion does not have its purpose/pleasure for those with little else going on in their lives... (May I please be lucky enough to escape their fate)

Hi quimby,

I'm glad you found my posts interesting. :) She is pro and I was feeling very negatively towards her. She knew exactly what to say to make me feel better: That she would spend more time with him, but that he would fall even more in love with her.

From what I saw and from what she says it would be very easy for her to take him to the cleaners. Of course, he may not be as easy a mark as he appeared to be and she may be wrong about his true vulnerability. But, knowing she can be very cold blooded I asked why she didn't go for the big financial reward instead of just $200 every week.

She replied that she wasn't a bad person. She didn't want to hurt him or to really take big advantage. But, she had bills to pay and to some extent people do have to take care of themselves. So, at least she understood the concept or degree. She also asked what in the world is he going to spend the money on if not me? Her meaning being that his tastes excluding her were very simple. He impressed me as the type of man that just wouldn't be too excited by most material things--remember I only met him once and that was briefly. He definitely was crazy about her.

She also claimed that she would be interested in marriage if he could act more like a real man. She thinks a man should take charge and command respect. If he wants more than 15 minutes, then he needs to DEMAND it and if it is a good deal still for her she will accept and she will have a lot more interest. Looks aren't important to her from what I can tell and neither is age. It seems like she wants a man who is dominant, stable, and financially sound. Almost forgot. Sex is a problem for her. You want to pay, then it's not a problem. You want it for free and then it will be when she's interested which isn't too often at least with men. To try and coax her toward setting a marriage date he allegedly told her not to worry about sex and that it would be only when she was completely ready.

"You got the wrong impression of me." Those are her words. See I've known her for years and years after having met her at Angels were she was charging me less than $5 a dance. Thus, I believed she was doing it for the money. :) Yes, even with all the "freebies" and hours of conversation I still thought it was all about collecting the $5 a dance from me.

Turns out that wasn't the case at all. She was slumming to be around her own people and "we just hit it off" (her words). I'm very distrustful so I got a lot of questions to this latest revelation. I'm thinking stripper shit all the way, but because I've known her for so many years many times I can predict her next move. She knew a lot about Cutler Ridge and what was going on over there. I was surprised how well her story matched to some of the players. Also, I never mentioned Cutler Ridge at all. I was always Mr. Poverty to her and I never mentioned wealthy friends or anything over there. She starts talking about what was expected and the rates and it is like "Oh, my God. We could have run into each." Our paths were crossing in the wealthy area without my knowledge at the time and were in hitting in the poor area. That would have shock city for me that she was actually super high priced. You're making insane amounts in Cutler Ridge and then you work some more at Angels?! That is 100% insane. She said it wasn't insane at all and that I was more like a mistake since she was trying to be with own people and ended up spending a bunch of time with me. That I wasn't a normal white and that I wasn't acting black either.

What in the world did she do with all that money? She dropped her head in complete shame and softly said she gambled it away faster than she made it. :( She said she could have been a wealthy woman, but the money was way too easy then and she didn't have any experience with having so much money. Now, with the years adding up she sees things are going to be a lot harder.

Thanks Jablake, an interesting tale.... Becoming middle aged and finding out that your remaining years are going to be tough financially is becoming the standard story in this country. A few months ago,the New York paper had a long investigation of how many 50+ year old men are not working these days - it was eye opening... (some 50 year old men cited in the story had moved back into their parents home !!!..!?)

This dancer could always sell herself into marriage (how many millions of women do just that?) but doing that successfully long-term and avoiding depression, strikes me as VERY tricky (no pun intended).

Yes, I wasn't thinking long term as far as her marriage. More like take his money and walk slowly away. I mean my original impression of what she was doing was so negative because the price seemed outlandish (remember I knew as a $5 dancer) compared to what she was giving. Therefore, if she's so cold why not go for broke? Turned out she truly didn't see the amount she was charging as a big deal because of her experience in Cutler Ridge. She says she was charging very high prices ($1,500 min.) and often doing very little, but being sexy and giving good conversation (imagine that, a stripper giving good conversation :) ). If a customer wanted more that wasn't a problem, but she wanted more money. Sometimes not much more and sometimes a lot more. So I can see that in her mind perhaps there wasn't anything wrong with charging a lot and doing very little. She wasn't feeling 100% good about the fiance deal because he didn't meet her in the business (a client should know it's a fantasy) and worse he was definitely in love. Time, she said really wasn't the issue except that she felt that more time spent would only increase his feelings for her.

I wouldn't have believed her pricing except that I knew some of the players in Cutler Ridge. I certainly wasn't having any fun at those prices or anywhere near that ball park. Even more startling she mentioned the name of her girl gang, which doesn't stick to the mind readily. Whoa, that definitely *sounded* like the gang different wealthy buddies of mine wanted me to meet, but so many years have past and besides maybe she just read or heard about the gang. I just didn't see any point in meeting because it was way out of my ball park. So I never met this gang of young hotties who were supposed to be really crazy. I heard about the leader from a couple of my friends at different times and each had urged me to meet her because they thought she was pefect for me: That we would just hit it off. In retrospect she could have been that dancer.

I think it would have been some type of event if we had met in Cutler Ridge--probably negative. For example, she thinks because I know some of the players in Cutler Ridge that therefore it is impossible for me to be as poor as I say. How would I know these people unless I actually had money? For my part, who the hell is this girl printing $$$ in Cutler Ridge and then hangs with me for small amounts at Angels? Everything probably would come to some to type of head. Most likely a very negative head.