OTC Costs: Seattle Prices
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not the real drew carey, but I play him at strip clubs...
I am considering expanding my OTC game. I want to know what is roughly reasonable cost wise. I know that OTC varies by PL and SW. I know that it's "what you feel is enough". I know that it must be related to escort prices, somehow. That all being said... what do you guys think is a reasonable rate to pay for 1 hour of OTC in Seattle?
I looked up some general price comparisons:
Consumer Prices in New York, NY are 7.3% higher than in Seattle, WA (without rent)
Consumer Prices Including Rent in New York, NY are 21.6% higher than in Seattle, WA
Consumer Prices in Miami, FL are 12.6% lower than in Seattle, WA (without rent)
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Miami, FL are 6.8% lower than in Seattle, WA
Consumer Prices in Chicago, IL are 13.9% lower than in Seattle, WA (without rent)
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Chicago, IL are 15.4% lower than in Seattle, WA
Consumer Prices in San Francisco, CA are 6.7% higher than in Seattle, WA (without rent)
Consumer Prices Including Rent in San Francisco, CA are 16.6% higher than in Seattle, WA
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/co…
There is a PPP (Pussy Purchasing Power) joke in here somewhere...
I looked up some general price comparisons:
Consumer Prices in New York, NY are 7.3% higher than in Seattle, WA (without rent)
Consumer Prices Including Rent in New York, NY are 21.6% higher than in Seattle, WA
Consumer Prices in Miami, FL are 12.6% lower than in Seattle, WA (without rent)
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Miami, FL are 6.8% lower than in Seattle, WA
Consumer Prices in Chicago, IL are 13.9% lower than in Seattle, WA (without rent)
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Chicago, IL are 15.4% lower than in Seattle, WA
Consumer Prices in San Francisco, CA are 6.7% higher than in Seattle, WA (without rent)
Consumer Prices Including Rent in San Francisco, CA are 16.6% higher than in Seattle, WA
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/co…
There is a PPP (Pussy Purchasing Power) joke in here somewhere...
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It depends. If a girl likes you (including and especially strippers) it's sometimes surprising what you'll get. That's reason #1 if I'm looking for a no strings fling that strippers will be my first choice so long as clubs are around.
OTC usually is not necessary negotiated for an hour, it is just understood that it is a Girlfriend Experience type of thing, of course again depending on how much “chemistry” you have been developed.
It is best to let her suggest the price, and you get the best price when it is communicated that it is possible to make it a ”regular thing” if the price and the performance are right.
Good luck and remember Pics and Vids or. It didn’t happen.
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I guess it just depends on the connection like others have stated.
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When I travel, I personally find tryst.link to be a good starting point to get range data. In smaller markets at least, OTC strippers are competing in that space whether they know it or not.
But IME the larger and/or more affluent the local market is, the less reliable comparisons to local escort ranges become. Instead it depends almost entirely on how much money s chasing these girls ITC. Now to be clear that's not the same as pegging it to an hour club VIP price - in some clubs selling one of those is like hitting the lottery. But instead it's about how the girls are actually doing ITC and what they would find enticing for an OTC outing. You only get that from experience, which may include overpaying a few times until you figure it out.
Since you already started the deal/date where you said; and I quote:
“I’d like to see her for an hour, and suggested a price”
If she said yes to it, you should be a man of your word and proceed with the deal.
I think you are having “buyers remorse”, because you might think now that you are overpaying, you should not overthink the situation, every OTC transaction is worth it’s own price.
What you can do, if you want to change the parameters of the deal, ask her what she thinks of Seeking Arrangements (Sugar Baby Sugar Daddy) relationships and listen to her ideas.
The average sugar baby gets from $1500, to $3000 a month for an average of Girlfriend Experience type of sex once a week, a couple of hours at her place.
Make sure to tel her that sugar relationship you would be interested is focused on creating mutually beneficial relationships and that you would be mentoring/advising/helping her achieve her goals.
If you can afford sugaring is a great way to go about it.
1. I appreciate you doing advance research, but the advice you've been given of "you'll need to start giving offers in person" is right on. None of us know; don't be too set by what anyone says here.
2. I divide strippers who do OTC into two camps: escort-like model, and date-type model. Escort types are usually high volume, with a set escort-like menu: "$500 for 1 hour; add $200 if you want greek; add $250 if you want to take me to dinner first". Date-type model is more like an SB date: you set a price (e.g., that $500 from above) and that's for the date, however it lasts -- which could include dinner, SCing together, hell they sometimes crash with you in the hotel room overnight. I have no use for escort-like OTCs, and feel they are worst of all worlds: escort-like "professional" pricing, with stripper-like flakiness. I do the date-type model, and never discuss time limits, and if she brings up time or menu, I'm out. It sounds like you're the opposite and are just looking for an hour of sex, so the more escorty and professional girls are open to you.
3. OTC prices have nothing to do with ITC pricing (price of VIP rooms, etc)
4. If you were to twist my arm and force me to give you some kind of vague guideline, I'd say for dayshift girls (vs girls working Saturday nightshift and bringing down $$$$$), OTCs are generally vaguely in the range of a MID-TIER escort... even though those strippers are more attractive than mid-tier escorts.
5. Believe the guys who said that if the stripper likes you (or perhaps it's less about "like" than feel safe and respected), you may be *shocked* at how little she charges you. So if you're the kind of guy who spends some time ITC building trust, you may get decent deals.
Your point about $1000 is interesting even if you are throwing out what you think is a wild number. It's a round number, well above typical ITC costs, probably above most dancers' receipts for an entire shift, and is the same figure that my advanced level whoremongering buddy threw out when discussing how to close on otc with non-obvious otc dancers during a recent club outing. https://tuscl.net/review.php?id=393046 I wonder if this is the price point at which many hesitant dancers say "ok I am willing to compromise my principles here"? It seems like a lot to me, and wasteful of precious resources, but at the same time it's not really that much in the grand scheme of things. Probably not a method I would resort to often, but interesting to consider.
I usually just ask what she needs and if the number isn’t too exorbitant I just agree to it or if it’s too high I usually say to her that’s over my limit how about this much instead. Generally speaking I give her $3-400, and we usually spend quite a bit on drinks and dinner, for one of my regular gals I’ll take her shopping and give her no cash and usually it’ll be 3-5 dates in between shopping trips, and evenings at her place.
First, I wouldn't get so caught up in trying to put them in one category or another ("escort type" vs. "date type"). I've dealt with plenty of low volume girls who met me directly at a hotel coming either form the club or home, many of whom I sat with for many hours ITC over a period of time before we breached the OTC barrier. Rapport building doesn't need to happen in some multi-hour OTC event if you are seeing her regularly ITC.
In fact, a lot of these girls have life circumstances which make going out for elaborate dinner dates difficult, like kids, watchful SOs, transportation challenges, etc., etc. For a fair % these girls their club nights are the only nights they can get out alone. IMHO you'll miss out on a lot of great OTC opportunities if you limit yourself only to those girls who can do elaborate outings. At the very least, many of them would need to use work as a cover and skip their shifts, at which point they'll be expecting you to pay them accordingly.
One of my favorite types of outings is spending a few hours with a girl ITC before taking her out for an OTC finish. For me it's the best of all worlds, drinking at the club while socializing with her and others, all the while knowing that she's coming out with me after to be my night topper. 😁
Finally, on a completely separate note, one last piece of advice fwiw: The best way to know whether you're being reasonable is to get a handle on how she's likely doing at the club. If you keep your eyes open over several visits, you'll start to learn the ebbs and flows of the place. If she's stacking room sales regularly then you're probably SOL at almost any reasonable price, but during slower periods you might find your negotiations more productive.
In any event, good luck!
All of this of course works much better during slow shifts when she won't otherwise be stacking dances. Though you'd also be surprised at just how many girls would rather sit with me for an hour or two making a little something than work the floor. A lot of these dudes can be difficult to deal with, so being relaxed and easy to deal with ITC definitely doesn't hurt.
But I'm not sure how that kind of thing would play out in nude juice bars like those in Seattle. It's just not the same kind of social atmosphere that you find in places where the drinks are flowing. I visit nude juice clubs every so often and I find them to be quiet and a little intense. But the point is that when you get to know a girl ITC over time, it can be as good for building rapport as a multi-hour dinner date.
If I've had fun with a dancer ITC and I'd like OTC, then I'll just ask "Would you consider seeing me outside the club?" That conversation will go in any number of directions, so it's hard to provide a road map. If she's on board, sometimes it makes sense for me to offer a price, and other times it feels smarter to let her give out a number. If she asks me to put a number out there, I'll lead with a number that's somewhat more than ITC costs (or my best estimate). On occasion, dancers have asked for more and sometimes I've paid that amount (or close to it). Other times, they accept my offer.
Honestly, it feels like you're being far, far to analytical about this. If this were sinclair's thread about trading options, then it would be appropriate. But for OTC, it's more about instinct and getting a general read on the dancer. Also, I think you're going to have more fun if you treat it more casually, and less like booking an appointment with an escort.
Cmi: I am a bit analytical by nature, it’s sort of fun for me, but fair point!
Rick: I like this approach: top generous at stage, tip at bar, chat, get comfortable conversation wise, then after a few visits suggest otc. It’s a bit longer game, but very interesting. And you’re right: the seattle style juice bar clubs are a bit quiet and intense.
I almost say try and ask for what you want instead, but politely? If it is a no, you will know lol.
But like don't be telling her you will give her whatever money$ on Tuesday then flake out last minute? Cuz that is annoying/fucked up/ girls talk amongst each other.
I really don't know all the details, but yeah just throwing out my thoughts.
TUSCLers who post all those questions about how to this and that ITC should read this over and over. I'd say half of you have the problems you do in the clubs because of basic coworker gossip. You can't do much about lies other than show the girls it's bs, but you can do yourself a favor and not bring it on yourself.
Weirdly enough I'm dealing with something exactly like this at the moment, where the girl assumed that I did exactly that. She has a small but tight crew of girls she hangs with at the club, so I have no doubt that I wasn't the only person who heard her complain about it.
We made plans on Tuesday for a Saturday night adventure. But then on Friday she sends me a text telling me that she needs to reschedule because of a horrible personal issue. Then a few minutes later she sends me a text saying she still wants to go, but I assumed she meant that she wanted to do it another time because of the pressing personal issue, so I went ahead and released the restaurant reservation and let my sitter off the hook.
Then, when I woke up Saturday morning, I had two texts from her which made it seem like she changed her mind. I still wasn't positive if she meant that night because they were vague, but even if she did there was nothing I could do about it at that point. I couldn't get the sitter or the reservation back. Then in the early evening she sent me a text saying "So you're canceling on me?" WTF?
The disappointing thing here is that she's a really sweet girl who I've been trying to see OTC for months. It also didn't help that I had to eat a not-so-cheap hotel charge because it was too late to cancel, but that was really secondary. I haven't enjoyed dealing with a girl ITC this much in some time, so I really think that she could be a long-term friend if things went well OTC. We shall see how it all shakes out.
Anyway, sorry for derailing the thread, lol.
Same with me, right down to the phrasing. And like you (and Rick), I prefer seeing her ITC a few times for a number of reasons -- I do think it builds the type of trust and de-risks things from her perspective (that is, she doesn't have to wonder if I have the $ to pay her) so might increase the chances of a choosier stripper saying yes to me, but just as importantly, since I'm only interested in date-style and not escort-style OTCs, it gives gives ME certainty that I want to spend 5 hours with her. If I enjoyed the hour-long sex encounter type OTCs, that wouldn't be a question. I do think these are fundamentally different experiences -- totally subjective of course, valid to like one or the other or both. I just don't enjoy the escort-like OTCs.
I will play along and comment on your derailing comment.
You wrote and I quote:
“We made plans on Tuesday for a Saturday night adventure. But then on Friday she sends me a text telling me that she needs to reschedule because of a horrible personal issue. Then a few minutes later she sends me a text saying she still wants to go, but I assumed she meant that she wanted to do it another time because of the pressing personal issue, so I went ahead and released the restaurant reservation and let my sitter off the hook”
You know that making assumptions derails communication and this is the perfect example.
You should immediately call/text her and apologize and explain your mistake/misunderstanding.
Tell me that in all communication, although we both have an equal responsibility to make sure we understand and are understood, you made the mistake of assuming she was unable to meet.
Tell her that you will be more proactive next time and will not assume anything, and will be more careful and clear and communicate better.
Do not place any amount of blame on her, say it was your own fault.
I am sure she will be magnanimous and would forgive you “faux pas”.