Fully legalized prostitution

Will never happen countrywide in the USA.

shailynn said "Will never happen countrywide in the USA."

I remember when people said the same thing about legalizing pot, but my opinion is that it's only a matter of time now. I also remember when people said the same thing about same-sex marriage, but that's the law of the land. Now, if you'd said "Will never happen countrywide in the USA SOON.", then I'm in total agreement there.

That said, it used to only be fringe libertarian candidates pushing for legalized sex work. Now we're seeing bills in state legislatures that would legalize or at least decriminalize sex work. And some of those bills have some degree of bi-partisan support, which would have been unheard of not very long ago. None have passed, but that they exist is pretty amazing to me. My prediction is that, like pot, one state will cross that line and then all the other states will watch like hawks to see how it goes.

And the divide between Republicans and Democrats on this is significant, but not huge. A poll I saw a while ago (that I can't find right now) stated that for Democratic voters, those in favor is about 60%. Meanwhile, among Republicans those against is around 65%, and I honestly thought it would have been higher. To have roughly 1/3rd of Republican voters be some flavor of "in favor" or "undecided" is not insignificant.

Nicespice described in another thread that dancers are becoming more open to dancers who do sex work. And, there's a growing number of young women who are looking to Seeking as a sort of sex Uber for getting their bills paid.

So, I personally think "never" is too strong of word. Just not soon.

What will happen when I win the lottery ? I guess I could spend time thinking about it. But that probably wouldn't be a very productive use of my time.

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If prostitution were legal here, I do think nearly every club would be a full brothel. The fact is, ime, most strippers I've seen are not that special visually to any demographic, most are not particularly intelligent or good conversationalists, and most aren't talented at actual dancing or poledance. I think there might still remain a very few "show clubs" of highly beautiful and talented performers on stage, but not in every city or even state.

Imo most clubs have a brothel format already without being full on brothels. At most clubs there are private rooms where girls make all or most of their money. Of course it doesn't automatically mean every girl is being a hooker in there, but even if you give "clean" dances it still feels hookerish lmfao. If you tell a regular person that you sold time sessions in a private room where you are alone with a guy and you're not wearing much or anything- most people would think you are a hooker. Like idk lol. I think we are already more than halfway there. I would go ahead and argue almost every club is at least a partial brothel. Sure maybe not every private sold involves sexual activities, but at least some do involve these at most clubs. Maybe not every girl does this shit but at least one does no matter what club at least some of the time. If they can't do it in the club they do it outside, and the club is just a place to find the Johns. lol

I doubt it will ever happen in “the land of the free”.

There are strip clubs in Germany where you just as easily go to an FKK club (an actual brothel). So the two models can coexist.

I don't see how actual strippers in Germany would make much money though when there are women doing everything for nearly free lmao. I meant cheap but w/e.

It would have to start at the federal level. Prostit is unconstitutional because it violates labor laws. Illicit labor.

In 2019 the Supreme Court ruled prostitution isn't defended by the 14th ammendment...

At the local level all that can be done is for laws and ordinances to be ignored.

The one outlier is nevada and that's only because of an archaic legal technicality.

Legal prostitution would look a lot like legal prostitution in Nevada. With licensing fees of 100k plus a year. The health requirements. Taxes. Sanitary conditions etc the expense would make it out if the reach of many if not most potential customers. It's like how legal weed created a boom for illegal weed.

From what I've been seeing. Low mileage clubs are doing better and are more busy than the brothel type clubs.

Play it again Sam's in Vegas is like a very sad brothel. Nasty coked out old hookers. And old men nursing cheap domestic beers while they wait for their turn in vip.

I think the most likely future is a system like Canada, where escorting is the main thing. Strip clubs will be allowed to exist under basically the same restrictions they have now.

I don’t think we’ll ever get a European or Tijuana style brothel in America.

I have full confidence females who are the majority and will pull their men to vote against and most men will be compliant. It will lower the value of female pussy period and that's not in female interest. NOT happening.

Which labor laws does prostitution violate?

The licensing fees aren’t required it’s something wealthier business owners would push for to try to prevent people from doing things on their own, and forcing people to buy from their business. The weed stuff is the same thing

They would even have an incentive to have stronger laws against unlicensed workers

Your example doesnt mean low mileage clubs are doing better than high mileage it sounds like one club is doing poorly because of the nasty old coked out hookers

I don't see any low mileage clubs anywhere these days. Imo low mileage would be a guy touches a girl anywhere at all he gets thrown the fuck out. I've yet to see a single club throw guys out frequently for that. I'm seeing more formerly low mileage clubs go higher mileage because the market isn't there anymore imo. Like Club 205 for example in Portland was a low mileage club long ago, but not in the last few years. I'm seeing a lot of relatively lower mileage clubs with mileage creeping up over time. And what girls in clubs are ok with these days keeps on surprising me every time with new lows. Like whatever.

Also a lot of "no touch" clubs still don't care if a dude "accidentally" brushes his hand against a girl's butt or whatever. That isn't a big deal in most so called "no touch" clubs. Imo it is all semantics and bullshitery at this point.

The purpose of the Constitution is to list what the federal government is allowed to do, and the tenth amendment says whatever is not on that list is left to the states. Criminal law is a state matter. This used to be commonly understood, which is why an amendment was passed making alcohol illegal and then another one was passed making it legal again. It is not commonly understood now that you needed an amendment to make drugs illegal nationally.

Alcohol, drugs, prostitution, abortion and gay marriage should all be state issues. Some states have started decriminalizing commercial sex work in the same way marijuana is becoming decriminalized. One roadblock is that religious conservatives who think it's immoral and the feminist left who think it exploits women both oppose it. I think, if it became common, strip clubs would be more like what I hear Tijuana strip clubs are like. Girls would be leaving with the customers. I like having the "strip club wife" who is pretty and can carry on a conversation that I can visit on a regular basis at the strip club and there may be a few girls in strip clubs who will try to cater to that market niche if prostitution is legalized in my state.

Prostitution was essentially decriminalized in Rhode Island from 1980 to 2009 (look it up). Some of the strip clubs became glorified brothels, but some did not. Foxy Lady and Rhode Island Dolls were in the "not brothels" category. I have very little experience with Dolls, but I went to the Foxy Lady several times pre-2009 and they seemed to do fine in terms of foot traffic and the dancers I talked to were making money (several made money from me).

On the flip side, there was Cheaters where it was hard to convince a dancer to only do a lap dance. In fact, when I went to Cheaters with a few guys and asked a dancer for lap dances, she said "I'll do lap dances, but I'm going to charge you dick suckin' money. Because I should be suckin' dick right now." I took a pass on options A and B, for what it's worth...

We're all crystal-ball gazing here, but I think that there would remain a place for non-extras clubs to employ non-extras dancers to entertain non-extras customers (because they do exist). The rest of the market would segment into varying degrees of providing sex work.

Docsavage. It falls under illicit labor. Which is federal.

Cim is bloviating like the moron he is as usual. Prostitution wasn't legal in Rhode Island. In 1980 they accidentally removed part of a law that made it illegal when retracting the law. Solicitation was always illegal. The same mistake also left out the part making rape illegal. No one was getting away with rape or prostitution.

Blah by low mileage I meant clubs where you can't grope all over or have sex or in some there are no dances. Clubs with sections and bottle service and all that.

I'm seeing those busier and girls making more than at regular clubs.

At regular clubs it seems like hoes make the most now. Dejavu clubs are an exception.

Nah. You're wrong. I was here. But why make the argument when the most important thing for you is disagreeing with everything because that's your weird version of fun.

Go ahead. Get your last word in. I'll let you have it as that's the most important thing to you.

Look, I prefer doing my work in the club. I used to take out calls, but since I can do the same on the club, where it's safe, the time is monitored, and the customers already know about an established business, I will only see customers in the club. It's not a huge cut of my payment going to the club, and I've adjusted my prices accordingly. But if it were legal, the clubs would have different levels or different areas for those looking for sexual pleasure, and continue to be "strip clubs" with stage dancers and simple $20 lap dances. There's enough demand for both.

BTE, strip clubs are not same as brothel. Both can coexist. Good for local economy. Class people still may prefer Gentleman’s clubs.

Cim you are wrong.as you are most of the time on here. I corrected you. And solicitation was always prosecuted. As was running a brothel. Profiting from prostitution etc. But the specific wording outlawing indoor prostitution wasn't there. And the act of prostitution wasn't legal. It was technically decriminalized.

Anyone can read about it

en.m.wikipedia.org

Skittles clubs wouldn't afford the licensing etc for the most part. They wouldn't just transition. There'd be zoning laws etc.

My very first post in this thread started with "Prostitution was essentially decriminalized...". I never said it was legalized. But you know that already. You didn't correct me; you corrected yourself. The FS AMPs operated with impunity. The strip clubs that allowed FS sex work on their premises operated with impunity (and often with police details on site). Escorts operated with impunity.

Unless you were a street walker, or a guy soliciting a street walker, you were not going to get prosecuted at that time. I know this because I was here.

^^^San Fransisco in the 90s was very similar. LE basically turned a blind eye to prostitution going on inside strip clubs (and AMPs). The reasoning at the time was to keep it and drugs off the streets. 'twas the lesser of two evils.

In Rhode Island, it really wasn't a blind eye thing. It was pretty out in the open. At the time, though, I chatted to a few cops about it and it didn't bother them a lot. They knew that they'd never get rid of all prostitution, and decriminalization of indoor work kept it contained. Many cops don't believe that their time is best used chasing down sex workers and their customers.

Cim only the act of prostitution was overlooked... which is a misdemeanor there anyways. Solicitation and running a brothel etc were still prosecuted. Although a blind eye was turned to massage parlors etc. But glad you "enjoyed" those times.

Also rape was technically decriminalized as well because of the same mistake

Yeah, Icee, hate to break it to you, but most areas don't even have clubs like that. Like I can't think of a single club in Portland where you make money in sections or whatever. You can sometimes do decently on stage here, but it isn't consistent. It is basically all private dances lol, which gets tiring and feels hookerish after a while even if you aren't actually hooking lol.

It's okay, man. I know that you have to get the last word. It's fine. I'll let you have it after this post.

Unless it was street walking, nobody got arrested or prosecuted for solicitation; it didn't happen. And though places like Cheaters never hung a sign reading "Cheaters Brothel", it operated as a brothel and everyone knew it.

Nobody turned a blind eye to the massage parlors. Actually, it was in a court case where the state targeted the AMPs that their attorney argued that Rhode Island had no laws governing prostitution occurring indoors. The court agreed and dismissed the case. The AMPs continued to operate with impunity and with a legal precedent in their favor.

Go ahead. It's your turn.

Yeah, I guess I'll add one more bit.

You keep saying that rape was decriminalized in Rhode Island. It wasn't. People got arrested, prosecuted, and sent to jail for rape during that time period. You know what they didn't get get arrested or prosecuted for?... solicitation, unless it was street walking.

I never heard of rape decriminalized???

In general though, it is extremely difficult to get justice for rape due to a multitude of obvious reasons...

^ Neither have I. Particularly in the state where I've lived since childhood.

Cim the same legal mistake that left out prostitution left out rape. They basically fucked up in 1980 but no one noticed. Also it wasn't brought to attention til 2003. During some case. The goal was to make prostitution a misdemeanor and speed up court cases. There weren't changes to laws on solicitation procurement etc

Of course your bitch ass is misrepresenting what happened.

I would love it if prostitution became legal like in Tijuana. All these girls that think they can get loaded by playing with their 🐱 in front of a camera on onlyfans or camsoda, their operation will end

Prostitution is a state's issue. You'll never see it nationwide. But it would probably be regulated like in NV. Limited to specific jurisdictions

prostitution should be totally legal.

Rape was never decriminalized in Rhode Island. Provide a case where someone was arrested for rape but the charges were dismissed specifically due to decriminalization.

Also, I accept your surrender.

^ Iceefag is the perfect example of one of my favorite axioms " it's difficult at best to have an argument resolution, with a smart person, with a stupid person it's utterly impossible"

Icee said its rape if someone doesn’t pay for extras, he also said its rape if they dont pay enough for extras and that billionaires rape us in many ways

Yup the days of internet girls i.e onlyfans and cam models would come to an end. If guys were smart at this point they wouldn't be paying to fap to an online model. I don't think we would see a positive change in the quality/looks of hookers.

Cim you're a bloviating moron. Show me where solicitation and procurement and running an illicit brothels wasn't prosecuted.

Anyways. Legality has to come from the federal level. Prostitution carries low penalties because it's illicit labor. Solicitation and procurement trafficking etc are the bigger crimes.

Decriminalization doesn't make it legal for you to solicit a hooker.

If it wasn't prosecuted, then there would be no court record stating "Today, there was solicitation at [X] address. We didn't prosecute. So there."

I accept your second surrender.

Prosecuted and charged are 2 different things. But keep running your mouth CIM

I accept your third surrender.

Cim get help for your mental illness. You juxtapose intents and fantasies onto others here and pretend likebyoure speaking with authority. You sound like a dumb bitch.

Show me where soliciting pandering procurement etc was decriminalized. It wasnt.wasn't. Prostitution wasn't legal. The written definition was simply too narrow and a mistake in the drafting of the law. What it did do was make it a misdemeanor though

So... is this where I let you have the last word so you feel like you won this argument? Is this that place?

^ Uceefag be like wrong way Corrigan, runs the football the wrong way, and scores a touchdown for the opposing team, and then to make matters even worse, Corrigan spikes the ball in his own end zone, what a loser!! LULZ

Icee you said you get mindlessly scared when they ask to see your id for cough syrup. You said its a total non issue if bars or clubs scan your id, that you do it all the time. That means you abuse purp

"I've yet to see a single club throw guys out frequently for that." @blah I guess you haven't been to central Pennsylvania yet.

Solicitation - illegal Propositioning - "fair game"

That's probably as far as it'll go in the USA.

in plain english, the girls will get a pass and they'll only go after the johns.