Russia has crossed a line, fired missiles into Poland a NATO ally.
twentyfive
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Tuesday, November 15, 2022 9:09 PM
I wonder what the response is going to be by NATO, now that two Russian missiles not only struck inside the Polish border, but killed two Polish citizens. If Nato doesn't respond forcefully the Russians will consider us weak, I think we need to give the Ukrainians the no fly zone they need. Let Putin worry about what we'll do not the other way around.
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Meanwhile they would love to distract anyone from the fact that their army is losing ground and their lies becoming more and more transparent.
It is very dangerous to escalate with Russia, and while this strike is serious I am in favor of clarifying the facts and then acting, in tandem with all of the nato allies, in a measured response. No fly zone is open - that's a bit far.
The US provided 697,000 troops. Poland assisted with 319 medical personnel
Russia is denying it. Sounds like a false flag to escalate the tensions. Tonkin part 2
20fag are you telling your kids to go volunteer to fight in Ukraine? Are you volunteering?
After Biden sold out our allies in Afghanistan we might try supporting one.
But let's not get worked into a tizzy over a couple of errant missiles that landed just 3 miles into Poland, one of which hit a grain processing depot, killing two farmers, and the other landing in an empty field. I don't buy the notion that the Russians would be stupid enough to view a muted response as an invitation to go after strategic NATO targets.
A true no-fly zone would have to be enforced by NATO fighters, which would put them in direct conflict with Russian troops. That seems like quite a dangerous escalation, especially when Ukraine is doing a fine job on its own in kicking the Russians' asses. What we could and should do is use this as an excuse to dramatically speed up our delivery of air defense systems to Ukraine, which would accomplish much of the same goal without directly involving NATO troops.
Ukraine is not a NATO member. Ukraine is not a NATO member because it was in a running competition with Russia to see who could have a more corrupt government. It makes sense to send arms and ammunition into Ukraine to bleed Russia dry and deplete their ability to make war. It does not make sense to put in a no-fly zone. How will that stop artillery? You know nothing about military equipment. Is Israel's Iron Dome a no-fly zone? How does putting American and other NATO pilots into harm's way for a non-ally benefit any of our national security objectives. It's a stupid idea from a stupid old fool. Almost as stupid as that disastrous pullout from Afghanistan was.
If there's one constant about Russia, they respect strength. Investigate but don't give Putin blood in the water.
That said, Russian weapon systems are not tip top, they're not well maintained, and the people aiming and firing them have pretty spotty training. So, it's also very possible that this is an act of incompetence rather than intention.
But, we can expect Russia to test NATO's willingness to escalate. Some of those tests might be incredibly reckless.
I disagree that they would test NATO's resolve or NATO's response to an escalation. If Russia were succeeding in their invasion of Ukraine and eyeballing further expansion beyond the former Ukraine's borders, then it would make sense. If the invasion were even stalemated, and Russia was considering flanking Ukraine from Kaliningrad through Poland, then maybe that would also make sense. But Russia is losing. Even China has told Russia not to escalate to WMDs.
There is only the most minutely plausible explanation that this was anything other than a weapons malfunction: Putin wants to draw in NATO. He may, in his lunatic frame of mind, think that it would somehow benefit him or Russia to invite an attack by NATO. He may be able to draw anti-NATO sanctions from the UN, or invoke mutual defense agreements with China, or maybe even just draw together and unite Russians in defense of the motherland. But that is all conjecture, and fringe, ccomic-book conjecture at that. If Putin is really that far gone, then mankind is facing existential peril.
I take it you oppose all wars of aggression and protested the wars the US started
They launched 75-85 cruise missiles last night from what I read this morning. If two of those missed and hit a field and a grain press in Poland, yeah that might be a mistake. Or might not. It deserves some investigation and analysis before the US does something that would have ramifications for our allies and the world. Reports are also that Biden’s meeting with Xi went well. Time to isolate Russia and add to its defeats by supporting Ukraine, not joining the war.
Just how a beta cuck maintains a subservient position to his master. Indict this piece of this already!
At the very least, the U.S. should fire a Tomahawk from a nuclear sub and everyone knows there is always a couple patrolling the Baltic Sea.
Not sure what the target should be, but my pick would be a troll farm in St. Petersburg that spreads a lot of propaganda for China Donnie. Teach all those fascist fucks who runs the world!
I honestly don't know why Mighty Joe and Xi can't cook up a tasty takeover of Russia and split the country 50/50. We could both use the vast natural resources like trillions of barrels of crude, natural gas and timber, and the Russian people are sick of being controlled by a dipshit KGB asshole like Putin who will only drag them into a Soviet wet dream that is no longer possible in the 21st century.
Wars will never end until people start seeing others as individuals and fellow human beings, not as members of a group they hate and think of as an enemy. I'm an optimist and think someday that will happen. When it does, the human race will rapidly advance because they will be putting their time to productive uses instead of fighting with each other.
Seriously, are you ever tired of being wrong all the time?
For the record I'm glad they are taking the time to get it right, in the meantime, the Russians bear quite a bit of the responsibility for this even if it turns out the Ukrainian's are responsible for this tragedy, if they weren't launching hundreds of missiles, the Ukraine wouldn't be in the position of needing to use this type of defense systems, and if the Russians hadn't initiated hostilities there wouldn't be this needless conflict.
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(Sorry - now I feel a little douchey like the guy who always post obscure quotes)
Wars are fought because powerful nations crave territory and the resources it holds. China will be the next world aggressor because they have 1.4 billion people and a lot of them are becoming middle class and desire two acres and a picket fence. The USA would most likely invade Canada if we ever reached 1 billion citizens who all want a comfy middle class life.
:It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so."
How much did China Donnie give the Saudis to hire hijackers to attack us on 9/11 ??
He uses "fagg" (too stupid to spell a 3-letter word) and "cunt" as insults. Not realizing we're here because we _love_ cunt.
Do not expect to engage him in good faith.
You're all dumb bitches
Zelensky fired rockets into Poland and blamed yhe Russians hoping to start ww3. He's a psycho who is only in power coz biden is propping him up in his proxy war against Russia