When an opportunity for passionate debate devolves into useless feuding
gammanu95
You can unfriend me, unfollow me, and unlike me; but you cannot unlick my butthole
There are plenty of third-rate whores, demented old bastards, and ignorant liberal windbags on TUSCL that need to be taken down. That's why I go after them. A supervisor once told me a story about a wolverine that killed a moose. He asked me why would the wolverine kill the moose? What possible gain would killing a moose provide the wolverine? He was talking about the many unyielding takedowns I performed around the workplace to enforce discipline and productivity. I looked him dead in the eye and told him the wolverine must have had an important point to make. It would be another 18 months before I saw a promotion.
However, I am seriously dismayed that no one who saw Founder's message about censorship ending all discussion seems to have understood Founder's message about censorship cancelling all discussion. How many of us want White to police themselves with regards to Neo-Nazis and white supremacists? How many people want black to police themselves for violent criminals and gang activities? How many people want latinos to police themselves for drug smuggling, human, trafficking, and cartel associations? How many people want police to police themselves for racism and brutality? How many want the Muslim community to police itself for radical Islam? Why won't TUSCL police itself and ostracize the trolls? It is wrong to devalue white people for the neo-Nazis. It is wrong to aggressively police all blacks as criminals. It is wrong to think all latinos are illegals and drug mules. It is wrong to suppress Muslim worship for fear of radical Islamists. It is wrong to censor conversations on TUSCL because we have trolls. All message boards have trolls. Most message boards have moderators to censor the trolls, and any other posters or viewpoints they do not like. We congregate and post here because there are no moderators or censorship. We can end the trolling by ignoring them. They will come back in another form and we will ignore them again.
There will always be spirited, passionate, and bitter partisan debate on here. It is fun to come here and blow off steam participating in that debate. But watching Skibum, Tetradon, nicespice, CMI and others just go back and forth endlessly with the trolls is not fun or constructive or worthwhile.
Hopefully Founder's next update will include another forum called the War Room, where we can boot the de-railed portions of threads we create. They can continue their immature back and forth in there while we debate the finer points of LDKing in gym shorts v golf pants.
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But there are others on this board who can do little other than name calling and ad hominem, and just because someone else disagrees with them. They refuse to talk about the topic at hand, but instead insist on making attacks on the other poster(s), making a negative meta-narrative, a conversation about the conversation.
SJG
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Scar Tissue
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I know you are passionate about the things you believe in.
There is nothing wrong with that sort of debate. It is good for us to express our views freely in this forum.
But there are some who will not do that, they just go to an hominem and personal attacks, the negative meta-narratives.
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Kansas City School of Rock
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Anyone who wants another poster censored, with some truly irredeemable exceptions, should themselves be censored. Cancel culture and the censorship of differing opinions is the worst offense to commit on a discussion forum created for the purposes of sharing opinions. I do not want to participate in a society or a discussion board that exists as a giant echo chamber.
There is no way to get rid of the trolls -noone said there was- but we should be looking for ways to minimize their activity and impact. For example, there are two dogs. One is very motivated by positive reinforcement, the other is motivated by dog biscuits. If we remove dog biscuits, one dog will stop performing. If we remove positive reinforcement, both will still perform for biscuits. Some trolls will stay on here because they have no place to go, but their enthusiasm and activity will be reduced and muted. Some trolls will leave entirely if we refrain from interacting with them and responding to their provocations. I am proposing removing the motivation and controlling what we can. Moreover, it is plainly foolish to scream that these trolls must be censored and doxxed and banned, because that reinforces and rewards them more than any rational rebuttal argument ever could. Skibum loves to bicker with trolls, that's more than 50% of why he is here. But Tetradon and the others who demand they be taken down are giving them the best possible reinforcement for trolling. If they are so offensive, why not ignore them?
Tetra said one of the trolls is commenting on this thread and I have him ignored. This is true. I do not know who is writing what but I am reading fewer comments than are counted in the thread thumbnail. I do not care what some people have to say, whether they are toothless old men screaming into their microphone or public library computer desk jockeys. They do not matter. While Founder argues that there are many negative impacts from a two-way block, it remains the most effective tool for minimizing the disruption of earnest user's experiences. Having said that, Founder should at least recognize the trolls and prevent them from being VIP or Verified Members. Those rooms were created for the purpose of minimizing the disruption of trolls, but most of the trolls are VIP and/or verified. It defeats the purpose without enforcement.
Founder has "censored" things very much like what I brought to his attention before. No idea why it triggered a bitch fit.
And no tolerance for bigots
Ski has suggested what have thought for years would fix all social media. Eliminate all anonymity from this site and all social media for that matter. Suddenly posts will get more civil and, with the Alex Jones case in mind, more truthful.
Behind people's backs? Lol that's why I created a nearly hundred post thread calling the parties out.
You know what's bitch shit? Hitting women. Getting them addicted to drugs. Stealing from grocery stores. The level of self pity to threaten suicide and post about it here because your girl left you for a low level weed dealer.
Some of our members want friendly debate. Even though the parties may feel very strongly about something, they can try to keep the debate civil and respectful.
But some of our members, I could list their names, do not want this. They want to prevent civil discussion and debate. So they post these personal attacks and negative meta-narrative, conversation about the conversation, in order to stop it.
We have very little moderation on this board, but people are expected to moderate themselves or it won't work.
SJG
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But people also talk about a lot of other stuff, and sometimes when there could be constructive discussions, civility has broken down. I think this is what our OP is trying to address.
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Twentyfive, on the other hand, not so much. Ever. I thought you had me on ignore. You said I was permanently ignored, and we were all happier, but you just can't leave it alone. I am so deep into your psyche that you just HAVE to follow me. And you reignite our feud with your typical one-sided bullshit and lies. You weren't starting with me because you ignored me. You ignored me because I always won.
Shitposting each others' reviews is a perfect example! You started it! You drew first blood, you did it first to me, so I gave it back to you. What did you do? You went whining to Founder like a little bitch and tried to get him to kick me off the board. All I had to do was send him the reviews and dates when YOU did it first, and he reinstated my VIP no questions asked. You can dish it out, but you can't take it.
So why did you take me off ignore? You took me off ignore and you start fighting with me over opinions. You took me off ignore and started spouting lies. You took me off ignore, and here we are again.
Fuck, you are just the dumbest bastard here. Put me back on ignore so I don't have to waste any more time beating you.
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Oh, and a lot of people don't seem to get what "free speech" means. What part of "Congress shall make no law abridging..." relates to a private internet forum?
Founder could up and delete me just like anyone else. His prerogative. But I consider myself one of the better reviewers here. Keeping and privileging trolls over content creators would say a lot about the kind of board he wants.
"opportunity for passionate debate devolves into useless feuding"
SJG
You describe your self perfectly
When I put that person on ignore/mute, life got more pleasant.
My advice is to disengage.
Another wanna be troll
Still a stupid fucker