Vigilante kills 9 year old girl. Grand jury cleared him

To appraise these kinds of stories one would really have to study the evidence.

But I agree that times are getting really dangerous.

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I am a gun advocate, and I am am all about castle doctrines and stand your ground laws. I don't think you should be relieved of all culpability during an interaction. Everyone who has had some type of weapons training knows you "know your target and beyond" or something to that extent. There probably is more to the story, but again, there probably will be a wrongful death suit on this too and then I bet he loses.

Wow! Stunning that wasn't at least negligent homicide.

@quintaar - a few months back a swat member killed a 14 yo girl with an errant bullet in a mall. She was in the dressing room. I think it was in MN. So all that training and center mass is bs. No one knows where these bullets are going.

I watch a lot of police activity YT videos. I'm amazed at the large number of folks bragging about their guns, clips and bullets. They lament how they would have capped the perrp if they were robbed. They are eager to use their guns.

I do not advocate gun control. This country has painted itself into a violent corner and we are stuck with it.

Did you read “A Time to Kill”?

The jury acquitted the black “vigilante”

"This country has painted itself into a violent corner and we are stuck with it."

This is largely true. But time will tell. The other danger is that of psychiatric police state.

SJG

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Of course Icee, in his infinite laziness, confuses imminent self-defense with a revenge shooting at someone who is running away.

There isn't a thug or lowlife the women-beating, drug-addicting, manipulating, thieving pimp won't side with.

It is important to be open to the actual evidence in these cases, and not to be quick to categorize them.

SJG

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It should have been a bare minimum of involuntary manslaughter.


The most cases where vigilantes get off. The more dangerous society will be. These types of cases set a precedent that as long as you say you felt threatened you can get away with murder. Its worked for rogue cops and now for civilians as well.

Tetradon. A thug or lowlife? I'm siding with the family of a 9 year old girl shot by a paranoid man with a gun who thought there was a robber in the car.

So he just started shooting into it

Police have training for these situations and still misjudge them. A random paranoid civilian with a gun poses a danger.

Like I said, you're constantly calling clear cases of self-defense "vigilantes."

This is a revenge shooting of a guy who's running away. Doesn't qualify as self-defense anywhere. It's not even "vigilante," which isn't a technical term.

You have to have access to the evidence to evaluate this. We cannot allow people to be incarcerated just because they are "paranoid". The law must only consider what they have done.

SJG

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The paranoid psycho homo trying to stay out of jail, Lol

He got off because of the political pressure to not find anyone crying self-defense guilty.

I think the Grand Jury decided not to indict. Grand Jury proceedings are closed and sealed.

SJG

Usually in a criminal case you can see the original case filing, and this will include the police report.

But you still cannot judge right or wrong just based on this because it has not been subject to cross examination.

Usually a vigilante is someone who hunts down supposed criminals, trying to do the job of police, not just someone who acts in the immediate defense of themselves or others.

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Why don't you just read the article?

Because that is a newspaper. The proper procedure is a grand jury, then if they indict, a jury trial.

I don't have any need to classify or judge these cases myself. I'm just saying that if you feel you have to know, then the police report in the case file is the next step.

Situations where I felt that I had to know myself, I have attended jury trials and listened to the witnesses under direct and cross examination.

SJG

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If you read it you wouldn't be posting nonsense here

I don't feel a need to judge all of these cases and I would not try to do so on the basis of newspaper accounts. The Grand Jury testimony is sealed. But you can probably get the police report.

Often if someone has died, the DA will not feel that they can just decline to prosecute. So they will send it to the Grand Jury. As is always said though, "The Grand Jury would indict a ham sandwich." Prosecutors usually have these grand juries right in their pockets.

If the prosecutor does not want an indictment they usually have ways they can communicate this to the Grand Jury. So if the DA does not want an indictment I am not going to second guess them. That is their responsibility. If you wanted more info, the next step could be the case file and police report.

Usually someone who acts in the immediate self defense of themselves or another, they are not called a vigilante. Like in that Greenwood Indiana shopping mall shooting Police are calling the armed civilian a Good Samaritan.

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Whether this guy is a vigilante is something for a jury to decide. That the Grand Jury did not indict is probably because the DA did not want them too. And why that would be is probably because the DA does not want to take it to trial.

You can't judge these cases by newspaper accounts. Even the police report is not the same as sworn witnesses who have been subject to cross examination.

Even the newspaper is not saying vigilante. If you call the guy vigilante you are slandering him and could be the subject of a lawsuit.

I will agree though that most of the time people carrying guns around makes things worse and not better. And there really does seem to be a complete breakdown of law and order in this country now. I feel that it is tied to COVID being the final straw that completely crashed our economic system.

SJG

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