If you hand a woman who has sex in exchange for money, money. If you view yourself giving her money as an act of generosity. And she in turn takes the money then acts like she is your girlfriend and sleeps with you. Is it prostitution?
Is regularly engaging in this scenario a real relationship?
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I was involved in a scenario a little like that. I had a female apartment neighbor I was friendly with one time when I was younger. She couldn't pay her apartment rent one month and she offered to have sex with me if I would pay it for her. I told her she didn't have to do that and offered to just lend her the money. I knew I would never get paid back. A couple weeks later I was sitting in my apartment late one night. I heard a knock on the door and when I opened the door it was her. She told me she was feeling depressed and lonely and asked if she could spend the night with me. I've always felt like she did that as a way to pay me back for lending her money so she wouldn't get kicked out of her apartment.
I've told them it was a loan that could be paid back when they win the lottery.
@2Icee
I will play along and answer your questions:
Q: If you hand a woman who has sex in exchange for money, money. If you view yourself giving her money as an act of generosity. And she in turn takes the money then acts like she is your girlfriend and sleeps with you. Is it prostitution?
A: YES; it is prostitution in the USA; because in the USA, prostitution involves engaging, agreeing, or offering to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee. It is a crime throughout the United States except in few rural counties in the State of Nevada.
Some women offer GFE and/or PSE, and it is just fulfilling the needs of a paid request.
Just remember than in the Western Capitalist societies/cultures sex is never “free”. As a matter fact, ALL activities sexual or not have a "cost" in money or time or effort, or a combination of the three.
Men and women have a natural desire to have sex, but have to invest the time, effort and money to have a sexual relationship.
In some cases, men have to go to through a lot of effort, risk and expense to get sex from a professional sex worker.
Q: Is regularly engaging in this scenario a real relationship?
A: YES; it becomes a “regular”, long term human/customer relationship. This type of relationship can last for a long period of time, if both parties feel/believe that is a good mutual benefit relationship.
Anyone who says "luz" instead of "lols" needs to flush zeself down the nearest public toilet. Just saying.
It's what everyone else here does, but with an extra self-delusional step.
This was the MO of a Russian girl who I used to see OTC when I lived up north. She and her friends would develop "boyfriends" (i.e. sugardaddies) who would help them out with bills and other stuff. In return they would go on dates which included fuck time.
I had a lot of fun with this girl but she was expensive. I insisted on paying her per meetup, which she initially objected to as she "was not a whore" lol. But eventually got on board with. I had no interest in getting on the hook for even more than she was already costing me, including nights on the town in NYC and a healthy cash kicker on the back-end.
As far as what to call it, who cares? I don't need to push things into rigid mental buckets in order to process them. It was what it was.
^ Pics and Vids or it didn’t happen.
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Yes and yes, as fucked up of a relationship as it is. Most of us engage in prostitution here, but the weak ones give a fuck what people think about that
To me if a guy wants to fuck hookers just be 100% honest. Don't make it out to be anything more than what it is.
If someone has to wallow in delusions to do it they should spend money on a therapist.
And it's both ways. Like the girls who "don't fuck for free" or think they get paid for their time.
This had to be a tongue twister because ain’t no, ain’t no way 🤦🏽‍♀️
Power is sexy to many people. The ability to extract money or other things of value from people is a form of power. Your coughing up the dough may be either the reason or a reason she gets into it.
I'm a big believer in win-win relationships. Even if you manage the long shot of financial success through win-lose relationships, you'll end up around people who are either too broken to have you back, or who will put the knife in and twist it if you give them your back. So I try to stick to SWs who feel like what I'm giving them is a fair exchange for what they give me. But if a woman prioritizes $ comfort over enjoyment of sex, I don't see as I have a reason to assume that's a bad choice for her. If she can find an unjealous SO, or is down with hookups and fuck buddies, then (assuming crappy survival sex doesn't dampen her enjoyment of good sex) she can have both. If she has a low sex drive, then getting a lot of pleasure out of sex is not an option anyway.
I gave the grocery store $200, and they appreciated it so much they let me pick out $200 of groceries to take home.
I gave the last owner of my house the cash value of the house, and he was so impressed with my generosity that he gave me the house.
See how ridiculous this gets?
Why do we take advice on anything related to females from a guy who buggered up his last relationship as badly as SJG, and probably hasn't seen a real strip club in a decade?
I remember the thread where sjg said his wife was so prudish she wouldn't peg him or give him prostate massages.
His delusion about hookers drives me nuts. The way he tries to rationalize paying for sex not being paying for sex. That hookers aren't hookers but payment is expected coz she has bills to pay.
It's as crazy as his James frank take on mental illness and homelessness
^ She's a hooker and he's a john. You can't talk about anything if you can't agree what words mean. That's called "bullshit."
I pity SJG, living several layers of delusion deep on so many issues.
Thats a real sjg type rationalization of it.
Being honest with anything is liberating
For me, and probably many others, I'm not looking for a "partner". I'm not averse to the hypothetical possibility of finding some unicorn chick where there was mutual interest. But it's an extreme extreme long shot, so I'm not going to put a lot of effort into the search. I'm 100% sure I never again want to be in a relationship where I'm hiding it that I'm seeing SWs.
@doc I suspect she either straight up just wanted you as a fuck buddy, or didn't think you'd want her as a girlfriend, so settled for being your fuck buddy. But she thought it would be too slutty to just ask to be your fuck buddy. So she needed to contrive a "I'm not really like this normally" scenario. In your case, it took two.
If an attractive woman offered sex due to a $ emergency, I think all I'd ask for would be for her to strip down to a thong and let me give her a full body massage. Since a massage is something people pay for generally, getting paid to get one typically doesn't inherently feel undignified. If she said she was just lonely and depressed, I think I'd try first snapping her out if it by taking her to Olive Garden.
Icee that concept SJG mentioned is different. You hand a girl $100 for free its free money. She doesnt have to jerk you or do anything. Maybe internally shes doing stuff for you hoping to get more. But the $100 you gave her was basically a risk, a free gift.
Ilbaicln that seems very odd. Didnt you claim you paid $600 for a regular lap dance in a hotel room? So if a woman offered you full sex youd only give her a massage instead?
No in sjg speak
Generosity = money Handing women money = paying a hooker Off script or girlfriend audition = gfe
Doc's "will hoe for rent" story makes me think of someone I met through a sugar dating site. For our first (and only) date, she asked me to pick her up, unusual since it's not safe for the prospective SB. Her place was out in the boonies. In hindsight, I should have been more worried about being robbed, but didn't occur to me at the time. She asked me to stop halfway down a long driveway. She gets in, and takes her pants off. Wasn't expecting this, so my foot slips on the clutch, causing the car to lurch. But no, no driveway sex. Turns out it was her mom's place, and she didn't want her mom to see her going out in a miniskirt.
She had a killer hourglass figure. She told me, after very little conversation, she was down for being my sugar baby. But she had a strong vibe of sadness and frustration. She told me she'd had to move back in with her mother due to being bad broke, and she loathed living with her. So, I got skittish. I mean, it would still be rape if it was somebody else was holding the knife to her throat. At what point does it become rape, even if you are not the one creating the circumstances forcing her to have sex with you? I asked her if she had had a sugar daddy before, and she said no. So I asked if she was really sure she wanted to do this, maybe she could get help from some program for homeless people. For some reason, that really pissed her off, she said to just forget it. Ironically perhaps, that then made me feel more comfortable, told me she didn't feel like she couldn't say no. But she was no longer interested. She then remarked she had lived with a boyfriend, and kept living with him when she wasn't feeling it anymore, to keep the $ support. So it really would not be her first rodeo. A few days later, she DMed me and said she needed a ride home from something, if I gave it to her, we could talk more and she would reconsider. I told her I had a date with an escort, so I could only pick her up a bit later than when she wanted. That prompted her to do the I'm-not-a-prostitute huff, and I never heard from her again.
Icee, the women who work in strip clubs get money. If you don't hand them money they will blow you off. If you don't want to hand them money, best not to be there.
Getting money up to the per song dance rate is common. Going beyond that, what does it mean, it depends on what is said.
You can give her your business card on top of the money and say, "Let me take care of you". Or, "I like those high heels on you, I know you have expenses to be here, let me take care of you."
The reason for strip clubs is for guys who like handing money to beautiful women.
SJG
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I often hand strippers money, after buying dances or taking them to VIP. And then I go home without any further complications.
It's pretty great.
If you think about it that way CMI, if you just stay at least 1000' away from them at all times, that is even simpler
SJG
I do pretty much same thing that you propose, but without adding a thick layer of dime-store intellectualism and self-delusion to convince myself that I'm not. Also, I'm not occasionally pontificating about a rape cult that has been "in progress" for nearly a decade.
If you want to know the girl you probably can. But if you are cheating on an SO, then you need either a marriage counselor or a divorce lawyers.
ANd building big things often takes time. I am only discussing some outside parameters, not any of the mechanical details.
SJG
This kind of thinking is why fat and ugly women will continue to stay married. Women are all prostitutes. Its just in marriage you have to hand over your time and energy. Sometimes you have to pay more and dont get any sex out of it as im sure many on this site can attest to.