"R.O.B. Screening"
minnow
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Fellas: What are some "red flags" that you look for to screen out the "R.O.B.'s". Often, its a certain intangible, but, depending on club setup/ tiers of service available, here are a few tangibles.
1) Unwillingness to do "test drive"- eg initial lower tier dance.
2) If doing basic low tier dance, gives low mileage, keeps upselling, saying things will get better in VIP
3) Demands upfront payment in clubs where doing that isn't the norm.
Club setups get tricky. One is so called 2fer, etc mixed with regular dances- practically screams "potential miscount". Often, getting VIP requires upfront payment- I haven't had too many problems there- One variation that sucks there is you pay $$, get back there, dancer essentially tells you that you're going to get a lame dance, unless you fork over some more $$$. Such clubs where this occurs should be prominently outed- maybe we need a sticky thread for "ROB Outings"
Your thoughts/experiences........
1) Unwillingness to do "test drive"- eg initial lower tier dance.
2) If doing basic low tier dance, gives low mileage, keeps upselling, saying things will get better in VIP
3) Demands upfront payment in clubs where doing that isn't the norm.
Club setups get tricky. One is so called 2fer, etc mixed with regular dances- practically screams "potential miscount". Often, getting VIP requires upfront payment- I haven't had too many problems there- One variation that sucks there is you pay $$, get back there, dancer essentially tells you that you're going to get a lame dance, unless you fork over some more $$$. Such clubs where this occurs should be prominently outed- maybe we need a sticky thread for "ROB Outings"
Your thoughts/experiences........
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Some dancers actually gave much better dances if they got their money upfront and I believe them when they said they can just focus on the dance and forget about the money. And, yes this is at a club where it is fairly rare to get asked for money upfront. Usually the situation will be management was pushing the dancers hard even threatening fines or the dancer was a newbie or the dancer had been ripped off earlier in the day.
Getting ripped off just doesn't normally hurt the pocket book . . . sometimes the overcounting can get absurd and you just have to put your foot down which means splitting the difference and cross her off your list for future dances.
Also, even after being ripped off I would have liked to find some safe way of doing business with her----safe not as in not losing my money. Heck, management was willing to either have her perform or give me a full refund. But, that just potentially starts even more trouble. A clean break was definitely needed and those were breaks. Still, I always think what if. :) Just looking at her made me melt even after her very poor fraud. Poor? Yes, a superior fraud leaves the "victim" willing or needing to spend much more. This poor fraud not only exposed her, but easily she could have lost the money and more.
Given her looks and personality, the money could have really rolled in except that she didn't seem to have much control over the different personalities. Some of those personalities were definitely worth paying for, imo.
Chandler- your 12-14 post seems to describe MBOT's modus operandi, which is why I've been reluctant to go there when in SF, despite some people getting supposedly high mileage.
Yes I've been ripped off. A cost of the hobby, I figure. Works into y our "expected value".
We it happens you learn and it becomes harder the next time. (In my case I am all about OTC and doing drugs with the girls, so I am probably running higher risk ROB-wise than the average customer.)
I don't think there will ever be a foolproof screening: The other side has intelligence of their own and lots of individual and collective experience.
Just accept the risk, but don't get hung up on it is best, I say.
If you ever do get ROB'ed you inclination is going to be to flip out, and yell and argue and never do business with that chick again. Very bad idea. Instead it is best to keep playing the sucker. Let me underestimate you. I guarentee you then that you are going to get an oppurtunity to get your money back. So just surpess your instincts, and wait patiently for the day when you will be to even things up. (And no, I am not talking revenge here, which is dumb. I mean that if she ripped you $50 one day, you will get $50 off your service the next time and then be even.)
As for your 1st question, screening works to eliminate dancers, not to confirm that it's cool to open your wallet to a girl who seems to have a good attitude. Personally, I don't hesitate to buy a reasonably priced dance when all the signals are good and she's too hot to resist. But I'll never commit to anything more than that without a pretty solid audition beforehand (e.g., a $10 dance at Brad's or a great stage encounter before springing for the $50 VIP).
In fact, I'd have to say that the old "don't let her get up your dander" thing about dealing with women, applies here, too. Chicks are always testing men, to see if "he's man enough." And often what they want to see, is whether or not they can "control" his emotions, "make him have a reaction." Even rip-off type behavior can be categorized as this sort of "testing his manliness" in some circumstances.
Interesting thought ...
"I'll be right back" but instead she sits and talks with other people after you already paid for her drink.
A ROB in action,
You expect her to leave your table when you do but she sits there and orders another drink and waits for you to come back to tell you. Then she leaves immediately without paying the waitress for what she ordered without asking you. Her future reward in all club reviews, I won't forget her unless I don't see her at any club I visit. If I do see her I'll be posting her name as one to watch out for.
In clubs that do two for one dance specials, you tell her you're waiting for one, she tells you she doesn't do those. Definite ROB, remember to avoid her no matter what she claims she'll charge for dances.
Why doesn't someone start a ROB discussion listing actual 'stage names', real names if known', and clubs they work at, and circumstances around the rip off? This will serve them bitches notice not to screw with TUSCL members. LOL
I'm going to stand by money-up-front as an indicator of rip-off status. Experience AND authority BOTH back it up.