Can High Mileage and Low Mileage Clubs Exist in Harmony; if the Law Allows It?
jablake
I don't have any doubt that would be the case under a system where people are allowed to open clubs freely and the clubs are free discriminate on any basis no matter how "irrational." The reason I don't have any doubt is because different customers have different needs. I strongly prefer a club without noise pollution with the focus being friendly conversation with skimply clad dancers who are free to reject customers for any reason. My need for FS and BJ are fairly low! I know that there were a bunch of customer at The Trap of old that felt very similar to me in what they wanted from a club. Mileage low priority. Conversation and hot young girls high priority. It is a winning recipe, imo, if the government will allow it.
I actually saw very different types of clubs co-existing peacefully serving different customer needs with very different prices. It seemed like each little or medium club had its own little culture. The BIG lie is that the "free" market killed these clubs---not even close to being the truth. In a real "free" market businesses open and close for a variety of reasons. The owner dies. The owner wishes to move or retire. The owner can make more money by converting the club to a different use. All of that is fine. One scam the government pulled was that when a little club closed you weren't free to open another one. So before long you have a lot fewer clubs. And, the customers often don't get along well as the inevitable migration occurs. The Trap was focused on beauty and friendly conversation. Customers who didn't want any part of that "con" of course were demanding extras and engaging in all manner of "negative" behaviour. The Trap is now a high priced cesspool with ugly dancers and it had to close its day shift. When it dies--who cares? Just one less choice. BUT IT WASN'T THE FREE MARKET THAT KILLED IT!
Now the supposed link with high prices and high mileage is tenuous at best, imo. Angels is super high mileage and super low prices. I believe a bikini club across the street or next door would bank, but that is against the "law" as currently interpreted. Secrets is super high mileage and there is actually a real choice between cheap prices and empty your bank account prices. Its culture is way different than Angels even though it is the same ownership. The clubs have different histories, different customers (for the most part), different problems, different solutions, etc. etc. etc.
I actually saw very different types of clubs co-existing peacefully serving different customer needs with very different prices. It seemed like each little or medium club had its own little culture. The BIG lie is that the "free" market killed these clubs---not even close to being the truth. In a real "free" market businesses open and close for a variety of reasons. The owner dies. The owner wishes to move or retire. The owner can make more money by converting the club to a different use. All of that is fine. One scam the government pulled was that when a little club closed you weren't free to open another one. So before long you have a lot fewer clubs. And, the customers often don't get along well as the inevitable migration occurs. The Trap was focused on beauty and friendly conversation. Customers who didn't want any part of that "con" of course were demanding extras and engaging in all manner of "negative" behaviour. The Trap is now a high priced cesspool with ugly dancers and it had to close its day shift. When it dies--who cares? Just one less choice. BUT IT WASN'T THE FREE MARKET THAT KILLED IT!
Now the supposed link with high prices and high mileage is tenuous at best, imo. Angels is super high mileage and super low prices. I believe a bikini club across the street or next door would bank, but that is against the "law" as currently interpreted. Secrets is super high mileage and there is actually a real choice between cheap prices and empty your bank account prices. Its culture is way different than Angels even though it is the same ownership. The clubs have different histories, different customers (for the most part), different problems, different solutions, etc. etc. etc.
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So, in my world, yes, they could co-exist.
I'm not aware of any clubs like that in Miami, anymore.
I was thinking in terms of competition. It seemed like the prevailing thought was that if you have a mileage club competing against a conversation club (some mileage at dancer's discretion, but not the focus of the club) that the mileage club would of course win hands down and run the other club into the ground. I just didn't think that was the case where you have a very free market. Where freedom is restricted, the mileage club, imo, will win hands down over the conversation club depending on the specific freedoms that have been eliminated.
With The Trap at what I think was its peak, I did actually spend more time and money at Angels even though The Trap at the time had a lot more to offer. The problem was that The Trap with less mileage was more expensive than Angels. Money was extremely tight and I needed to be in a club where even small amounts of money were valued. The Trap, had the hot dancers and friendly people and was much closer to where I lived. Money problems prevailed.
Thanks for the information. I believe Philly and Baltimore have good reps as far as having high mileage clubs. So the two can exist under the right conditions one of which is probably "a certain minimum population" as Book Guy posted. Here in Miami we not only had crowded areas we also had more rural areas as well. And, we had rich and poor. All different types of people. W. Dixie Hwy. was special in that there were clubs fairly close together and different type customers generally would flock to a certain type club. The typical customer at The Trap would probably walk into Angels and walk out as fast as possible. Angels didn't exactly welcome new customers generally. :) The clubs were like night and day even though at the time they were both white clubs. And, there was Tootsies that was loud and slutty with lots of action and could be fairly dangerous especially away from the club to where a pool table place was. Seemed like pool tables attracted bad characters. Shooting pool, I didn't do much because of money trouble--it was a special treat. Tootsies had a nice mix of super hot and super dog. I just couldn't take the noise, which was the loudest I've heard anywhere. :( All 3 of the clubs mentioned I considered to be very different. I think Tootsies was also white with maybe a light dancer here or there--so many years have passed. I don't even know how many.
Are you talking about the old Tootsies or the OLD Tootsies?
I think it is the OLD Tootsies. The one before they started going up scale. The regular old Tootsies was for me upscale. The new current Tootsies is off the chart upscale, but it is funny I can go to the new upscale and spend even less money than at Angels! That just blows my mind. :) Of course, I have more fun at Angels . . . but there is more of a history.
When I type OLD I mean the oldest of the versions and lowest class of the version. The regular old for some people might not seem too upscale, but for me it was.
The slutty dancers reminded me of Mons (Mons was better), but the Mons was quiet and I could have lived at the Mons. What a cheap wonderful club the Mons was. Beautiful slutty dancers, low prices, nice and quiet. I just immediately fell in love with that club. It was like I'd discovered a ton of gold, but I had to return home before collecting the booty and bringing it home.
The OLD Tootsies to which I referred was around back in the late 70's early 80's. It was located where the old Tootsies was (NW 7 Ave & 183 St) before they moved to the now new Tootsies. They had a juke box for music and the dancers would hustle quarters for it.
So, I was referring to the OLD Tootsies at the old location before it increased in size. 183rd? I thought it was 199th and NW 7th. But, I'm not great with remembering addresses/locations. Very near me in the NW many years ago there was a club that was heaven, but it was a "hidden" club. I could find the general area, but not the exact location. I seem to remember NO signs to speak of and it was a real surprise because I didn't even realize it was a strip club until I went in and it was WOW!!! Hot girls galore (mainly white or all white) and I was treated like royalty; it was too good to be true. :) The next day I went to find it, I figured I would recognize the exterior, and it wasn't to be. If I had a better sense of direction . . . or written the address down . . .
Thanks again!
(BTW, I do actually need some contact. It just doesn't seem too hard core to me. But, to an air dancer it might seem like rape!)
Does the stereotype of the more attractive dancers working at low mileage clubs hold up?
I would think that is the case. What does a dog have to offer besides lapping? Of course, there is that buga boo the beauty is in the eye of the beholder . . .
Truly, it should be heaven if you like BIG women. I don't see a shortage of BIG, but then seeing 1 is 1 too many imo. Perhaps if I was a GC fan, then I'd be complaining that they don't have any pleasingly plump dancers. As it is the new huge Tootsies, a GC, doesn't seem to have much in the way of small cute dancers that I like. Just as well given the cost of a dance is out of my ball park.
Truly if BIG is your thing then the local Walmart should be your best buddy. Probably there are a bunch of good Walmart pick-up lines too. Like, I'm Smart Shopper, I'm a Walmart Shopper, Please Take a Seat in My Cart. :) Or, I Love Walmart Because They Have Lots of Bargains, And DAMN You Look Like The Bargain of Eternity. :) Ok, if I had any interest in picking up Walmart customers then I'd work on those lines----OTOH, blubber butt should be grateful with any dumb lines I can generate! BTW, many times DUMB can be GOOD THING, NOT A BAD THING, A GOOD THING. :)
My mistake, it was 199th street. The new is at 183rd. I quit going to the OLD before they enlarged it. It was just a local place, much like The Trap. Last time I visited The Trap, I couldn't wait to finish my beer and get out! Not many remember the OLD Tootsies. Do you remember a place on the west side of 7 Ave. just south of Tootsies?
Maybe the east side of 7th Ave? It seemed like there were a lot of places in the old days---a ton of erotic massage or one on one dance on NW 7th. FONDL had posted about the older generation being more tolerant. And, it is funny because yes I think generally that was the case (excluding the racial issues, for example) even though the tolerant people were often extremely conservative. By conservative I don't mean waving the American flag all over the place or spouting religious BS as if it were the only truth. By conservative I mean an extremely healthy distrust of government and being numbered i.e. national identification.
I didn't see the OLD Tootsies as being comparable to The Trap at all. The Trap in its hey day I remember ALL 9s and 10s and prices out of my reach (I was very poor) and the place was comfortable for talking (the music wasn't loud) with the really sweet girls that didn't seem slutty. I was well treated even though I didn't have money and I wasn't a smiler. The OLD Tootsies the music was like rocket engines, but louder. I could barely talk to the dancers even with yelling. It drained a ton of the fun away. The girls all seemed slutty (I loved it!) and they had super hot dancers to super dog dancers. I could afford the prices and would have done a little business if I could have held up under the music attack. It is bad when a couple days later you're still having hearing trouble. Yes, other people would lump them together, but I just saw them as having very different focuses and products. In fact, I think it is normal for the typical club goer to see one dive as essentially equal to other dives. Also, The Trap from my perspective was upscale (yes, I realize now that was a minority view) and the OLD Tootsies seemed more down and dirty, but definitely more upscale than Angels. I think the Angels of old was No. 1 in being down and dirty (not sex wise) and out and place even dive lovers would generally avoid. At one time it had NO music, which was fantastic!!! :) The dancers didn't dance, which was fantastic!!! There wasn't a requirement to be friendly, which was fantastic!!! Ah, the good old days and at the time I knew they were good days, but just didn't have any money to really have a blast.
Hi FONDL,
One example is good enough for me! :) To me, it is a NO brainer because mileage is not the be all and end all for me. The problem is opening the club and having the right to restrict anyone for any reason and to free of all the government BS. IOWs, ideally I could open a conversation strip club on a used book store budget. Now, we're talking freedom. And, I don't think the girls need to make as much as totally nude because it is NOT all about the money. :)
What is "LEGAL" is a matter of opinion even when the statutory law is clear. And, it is not merely a matter of opinion between a know nothing layperson and an experienced $400 per hour attorney. You can have high priced attorneys experienced in that area of law all be in agreement over a straight forward and simple area of law and boom the judge see the exact opposite.
I gave a link to a case (I was just a "bystander") where the trial judge decided one way, the appeals court decided another way, and the Florida Supreme Court ignored the main issue (which all the judges did) and reversed the appeal court. It is really such an idiotic fraud, but most people in ordinary professions are so slow that they make the attorneys seem like super brains.
I guess I should be grateful that the attorneys aren't brain dead also and for all my wonderful "freedoms." :)
Sorry about that.