Bullshit stripper advice to other strippers

The guys who seem to go back with dancers with the least effort are the guys clearly on a work break. So either the blue collar dudes there in groups who sit at the rail or the "finance bro" types. The fat/ugly dudes are for dancers with enough patience to run the "girlfriend experience" hustle.

As for stage show it depends on the club. Dayshift if there are two guys at the rail how you dance doesn't matter much. Night it matters more, girls can make $40-50 in stage tips.

1... don't put much effort into stage shows. No reason to do yhe splits infront of someone or touch them for a few $.

2... your effort should match how much he's paying you. The point of any good hustle is doing the least for the most $

1. Have a quota for your bag 3ach night and try to make the most early in the night. Then around midnight and before last call.

Ye no sht this is all common sense. I guess I'm just venting my frustrations at the bad advice these hoes give to newbies. And don't get me started on them talking about hustle. What u mean by hustle? Getting groped or groping a guy to hopefully make a sale? That is not what I call hustle. Hustle is talking. I don't think theres a large clientele base anymore you can convince to give u money with words alone. This is why webcam is better lol. I watch how some of these girls work and I'm thinking in my head you might as well be a high end escort and post online and at least time would be real money. With no downtime hustling or waiting for new spender. There is no reason to let dudes touch for fucking free while hoping and waiting for money. This just ruins every single fucking customer. Ugh

Nothing is universal - some things work for some dancers and those same things don't work for others - also something that works with a particular PL doesn't mean it will worth with a similar PL - dancers and custies are unique in their own way; sometimes you can judge a book by its cover and be right, and sometimes be wrong.

From my personal PL POV:

1. the ugly vs good-looking guy thing is kinda a crapshoot - hard to know who has $$$ in the club and also who is willing to spend it - some guys look like a million-bucks and can't or won't spend much - some guy may look borderline homeless and spend well - this is one of those "you can't/shouldn't judge a book by its cover"

2. w.r.t. makeup - it's not a must-have for me especially since I'm mainly focused on the bod - but all things being equal I prefer nice makeup (if well done, makes them look better and more feminine which I like) - I don't recall ever turning away a dancer b/c of makeup or no makeup or bad makeup, but have been won over by some dancers b/c their makeup looked very nice

3. w.r.t. dancing ability - for me what makes me wanna get w/ a dancer is that I like the way she looks physically and is my type and I imagine that is the same for most PLs - if by dancing-ability we are talking about stage-dancing, that is usually not the deciding factor for me - w.r.t. stage-dancing, acrobatics and pole-tricks don't do much for me; I am impressed by them, but not necessarily turned-on by them - and IME often times the pole-tricks/acrobatics stage-dancers I don't enjoy the way they give lap-dances - so pole-tricks/acrobatics won't impress me w.r.t. wanting to get dances; but if she moves sensually/sexually on stage that may tip the scales if I'm on-the-fence w.r.t. getting dances from her - likewise if she's on stage looking like she's constipated and has a face like she rather be having a root-canal, then that may often cause me to pass on dances even if she's my type

Hey Blah why not make an article on it, fuck it. See if it gets through.

1. I have never heard of yet, this is the first I’m hearing that

2. Some girls just look great even with no make up. There are plenty of girls who go way OD on the makeup

3. Dancing doesn’t really matter to me. If it’s especially I’ll think it’s cool though, but really the girl whoever is my type is gonna win out.

When it comes to appearance (talking about a customer) I always feel like they way someone looks is a decent judgement of how they approach life in general. As always there’s always exceptions to the rule…

The fat slobs often don’t spend a lot of money in the club and I can see where they’d be a pain in the ass.

On the other hand as a customer I often size up dancers as well. The ones on state staring into the mirrors primping themselves why they’re dancing I usually stay away from no matter how hot they are because they are more interested in themselves than doing their job, which is being entertaining to the customer.

I find the middle of the road dancers usually to be the more friendly bunch when the less attractive, lazy dancers often approach the job with a chip on their shoulder. Nothing is a bigger turn off than a dancer plopping down at your table instantly complaining about their night.

As for you mentioned makeup, for a lot of women they’re beautiful to begin with and when it comes to make up, less is more. Yes, there are lots of ugly women who look half decent when they came on 5 pounds of makeup, but so many naturally attractive women do the same, and they don’t need to. You can’t tell this with lighting in the club but outside the club, the most cringe thing I see women do it apply so much makeup their face is a different color than their neck. Blend that shit in baby!

Guys with Gucci belts or flashy shit just screams red flags to me sometimes. They're mostly talkers, about "how much money they have" instead of paying for a dance lol. I like the quiet shy ones tho lol

I feel like people who feel the need to be flashy all the time or talk money (like expensive hobbies/vacations etc) have some weird ghetto mentality. Most girls who go for certain hideous designer purses only because they are expensive and designer are an example of this mentality.

Ding ding! I will never understand it. More for their ego tbh.

"I feel like people who feel the need to be flashy all the time or talk money (like expensive hobbies/vacations etc) have some weird ghetto mentality. Most girls who go for certain hideous designer purses only because they are expensive and designer are an example of this mentality."

That is because many people feel the need to buy expensive items to hid their own insecurities. Women do it with jewelry, handbags and accessories while men do it with cars and watches. You could argue women do it with their bodies as well (Botox, lipo, butt lift, boob job, etc.)

BlahBlahBlah:

That is truly awful advice. Are you sure that they aren't trying to sabotage their competition with that advice? Recall the old adage: "With friends like these, who needs enemies?"

If I was offering advice to a new stripper it would include:

1. When you're on stage, make eye contact with the customers and smile. If the customer smiles back, he/she might be a good candidate for spending money on you.
2. If a customer tips you on stage, stop by afterwards to say thanks. Ask if they'd like some company; do not just plop down without getting permission to join the customer.
3. Don't overdo the make up, especially if it is prone to rubbing off during a lap dance. Never, ever wear glitter. Go light on the perfume, or go without perfume. Make sure that you smell (and are) clean---- all parts of your body!
4. Use your time wisely; your time (and body) is money. If you join a customer for a conversation, find a way to check on their interest in a private dance within 5 -10 minutes. If they are not interested, politely excuse yourself and move on to the next customer.
5. How you dance on stage does matter. You don't need to perform world class pole tricks to attract attention. Actually, I sometimes avoid the dancers who put all of their focus into gymnastic pole tricks, in favor of those who are sexy and attempt to make "connection" with the customers. But you should dance confidently and rhythmically. If you are comfortable being seductive and touching your body on stage, that is also a turn on for some customers.

If you can wade through the trolls and sarcasm, you can get some pretty good advice from TUSCL members.

I'll bite & throw in my two cents.

For #1 - I really have no idea, but from what I've observed I've seen no correlation between what appear to be good customers and bad ones based on looks/weight kinda things. I've seen equal amounts of obvious blue collar/low income kinda guys being absolute dicks as I've seen obvious spoiled brat's or professional looking guys.

#2 - I'm with you there. Most stripper makeup is a turn off for me, less is almost always more appealing. If I wanted a painting of a girl I'd buy one. The only exception is ugly bitches. Some chicks do need that shit.

3 - I agree with Electro's points on stage show. Stage dancing does matter, but it's not really about acrobatic feats. For me it's not about twerking or showing pussy either. Show a little rhythm and sensuality, and engage in a 5 second conversation if I'm holding money out to hand to you. If I just toss it on the stage, no need to try to engage me, just go on about your business.

Blah, I think you're going to kill someone someday, lol. You're last several posts are brimming with anger and resentment. Some day some guy is gonna say something ITC that is the straw that breaks the camel's back and then the dam will burst wide open as you plunge a stiletto heel through his eye socket. 💣

Blahblah is 100% correct.

The problem is you guys are looking at it from a tricks perspective and basically want stripper hoes to waste time pandering to your cheap asses.

Sadly girls have no hustle. Many think getting groped or selling pussy is hustling. Which it isn't. And when hookers infiltrate a club it lowers everyone's earnings. Hurts the girls who hustle and can secure a bag the most.

I know I’ve said it before somewhere. But as far as my own unpopular opinions (and they are opinions only…)

1. Mexican blue collar types are AWESOME and I like that group of customers. I’m 100% okay with dancers ignoring them and making it easier for me to talk to them
2. I love Gen Z customers. I usually don’t have to ask them for dances because most will bring it up in less than a song’s length time. They are super nice. And if one is super opposed to mileage, they are a more conservative group who get uncomfortable with anything too high contact. They are precious 🥰

1. Spinning around on a pole or twerking is entertaining. But an engaging, enthusiastic, just "wow" show... I'm not even sure how to describe, other than a hot chick just showing us how hot she is... Ya, that always does it for me. On the extreme end, I'll spend the rest of the night turning every other girl down waiting for her to be available....

2. Makeup? Ya, some girls need it, some don't... less is more, usually.

3. ??? shit, I dunno, make sense, I guess. But it probably depends on the club and the night....

That advice seems almost contrary to what actually works. It’s like other dancers are setting girls up to fail.

1. The unkempt chubby guys are likely smelly and cheap. If a guy doesn’t keep his external appearance up, he’s likely to be filthy once you get him in the back room for a tug job. I know that not what you do Blah, but I’m sure you can smell the body odor and sweat through his clothes.

2. Make up is best when it makes a woman look like they aren’t wearing make up. That natural look can be much more difficult to achieve, than the look of being painted up like a circus performer. Based on Blah’s post, she knows what she’s doing, and she must look great!

3. Dancing gets my attention - and my interest. A dancer with a stage presence is far more attractive than a dancer who just stands there waiting for me to notice. A great body can be very enticing, but having moves on stage will catch my eye and I will think that I need to get dances from her.

If only they had t shirts or bikini bottoms that said - I Do Extras! - it would make things much simpler!

Cashman so all you said was sell pussy. Procuring prostitution is illegal

Blah doesn't like us fat guys cause you have to stab really deep to hit any vital organ.

===> "Sadly girls have no hustle. Many think getting groped or selling pussy is hustling. Which it isn't. And when hookers infiltrate a club it lowers everyone's earnings. Hurts the girls who hustle and can secure a bag the most."

IME that's a silly juvenile view held mostly by dancers who don't make it long in the business.

In an environment like a strip club, it could come as no shock that some guys take liberties and/or try to buy pussy. In any place where horny guys with cash to burn meet up with girls willing to get naked and rub on them for that cash, there's going to be people on each side of the tip rail willing to go one step further. It's been happening as long as I've been clubbing and probably as long as there have been strip clubs. No club can completely eliminate this, especially the OTC elements.

IME the girls who succeed long-term find ways to reconcile themselves with these realities. In some cases their boundaries expand, but in others they just find more unique ways to entice guys to continue spending on them.

OTOH the ones who can't handle these realities often end up bouncing around from club to club, usually timed around when the regulars figure them out and stop paying them. Sadly though in a lot of cases it's not so much about the girl's tighter boundaries, but rather the palpable bitter and defensive air she gives off in enforcing them. Yet of course the bounce-a-round girl inevitably blames everyone (the club's customers, management, the "hookers" working their, etc.) but herself.

I'm curious if said strippers are giving this advice out unsolicited...

I was recently an unwitting eavesdropper (my proximity and her volume meant I had no choice) to a baby stripper's conversation at the bar. It wasn't terrible... but definitely awkward. (And, we've all been there as baby strippers!) But, it didn't cross my mind to try to offer her advice that she didn't ask for. I want all the girls at my club to succeed, but I don't presume to have all the answers and what works for one girl may not work for the next.

I'd also be extremely wary of dancers who take it upon themselves to dole out advice... the purpose of it may not be to help the one receiving it. 🤷🏼‍♀️ (I realize this is kinda stating the obvious but felt like it needed to be said anyway...)

Rick you're basically saying strippers are unsuccessful if they refuse your attempts at soliciting prostitution

^ No I'm saying that "clean" girls who can't learn to cope and work around the reality that just about every club in this country has girls selling pussy (at least OTC) is going to struggle. Fixating on what others are doing to earn their bread is pointless. Either she can adapt and find something that works for her or she'll never succeed.

1. I've never heard a dancer give advice to someone to go for the customer who looks unkempt. Usually dancers go for guys who look like they might have money. Whether they are fat or not isn't super important to me unless they are so obese that it is hard to dance for them.

2. Strippers should look their best, and that includes wearing an appropriate amount of makeup. Obviously 10 lbs of makeup plus those spidery lashes and caterpillar eyebrows are too much, but a moderate amount of decent quality makeup will make you look like you put effort into your appearance, which is important to making money. Natural looking makeup is cool, but wearing absolutely no makeup will often make a girl look washed out when compared to other girls around her at the club. So even girls who have a more natural look are wearing some amount of makeup, just not a lot.

3. I've seen and known girls who have bland stage sets and aren't great dancers but stay busy in vip, and I've seen and known dancers who can do amazing pole work but find it hard to sell dances. I used to do lots of pole work. Now, I have a pretty lazy stage show tbh. I mostly just dance sensually and occasionally twerk. I still stay very busy in vip. I actually don't like going on stage at all, and would prefer staying in vip and getting skipped from stage. At urban clubs, where making it rain is very common, more energy has to go into your stage sets. In upscale clubs, you can do next to nothing on stage and still make good money selling vips.

I do think some of this advice might be to sabotage girls who are either brand new or just don't know any better.

I wasn't saying that necessarily tricks/twerk/and/or acrobatics are necessary all the time or at every club. But stage does matter. I've seen a white girl in oregon who literally cannot dance for shit like almost hilarious how bad she moves and cannot be coordinated at all. But she was bubbly and always smiling and acting into it. So yeah some aspects of stage matter no matter what club.

I do tend to bounce around a lot, but I've also been long term at some scandalous places so long as some things about the club(s) work for me.

Stage sets really depend on the club. At my home club back in MI is when I gradually stopped doing pole work because I realized I could make about the same money twerking with much less effort. It was a mixed club with good stage money and easy environment to sell dances. I worked with a friend of mine who did not have a good stage show. She couldn't do pole tricks and couldn't twerk. I always made more than her on stage, but we both made lots of money selling vips. So when girls say it doesn't matter how you dance, at some clubs there is truth to those kind of statements.

And then there are some gentlemen's clubs where girls literally just walk and sway back and forth on stage and still make bank in vip. There are some clubs whose stages don't even have poles.

I'm fat and dress frumpy, but I'm careful to never be dirty or stinky when I go to the club. I think it's a question of clicking, not all dancers have the same ideal customer (and vis-versa). I don't make assumptions about dancers based on stereotypes, I follow the same rules of politeness with them as with anybody. I don't badger them about anything, nor do I tolerate being badgered. I stick to the rule of thumb that dancers deserve $100/15 minutes of their time minimum. Which is why I wanna dance them if they don't do it to me, because to me that's expensive for just conversation. Most dancers think this is reasonable, but some routinely do better, so they'd only bother with me during a slow time. I'm not a full-on save-a-hoe, but I recognize the fact that I was lucky to have been born in a sweet spot, the draft ended before I turned 18, but before Ronnie and Bill gang-banged upward mobility for young people. So I don't press the advantage hard with young dancers in a money bind. I'm not interested in anything less than good two-way. I generally don't click with extras dancers. They are typically too unhealthy and/or have too strong an air of self-destructiveness to be appealing, extras or not.

Hard for me to give advice, since the only PL I'm really familiar with is me. But, from knowing many dancers, and from life experience generally:

1. If, after talking to a PL for a minute or so, you get a malignant vibe, walk away. Too much interaction with toxic people can leave you down and out as much as lack of $ can. Some people think they're impermeable to toxicity, but the bad affects build up overtime, they probably just are not seeing the connection. If you have to dance with these guys to pay your bills, get a roommate and a job at Taco Bell.
2. Whatever system you come up with for guessing who are the best $ PLs, at least wanna dance the ones you guess are going to be bad $. Some I'm sure will surprise you (in a good way). If they get pissed at a wanna dance, they are toxic (see #1).

I was going to ask if the advice was unsolicited. I am often wary of anything free or offered unsolicited. Maybe I’m too much of a New Yorker to believe anyone still does anything out of the goodness of their heart - but I’d be even more skeptical of free advice in a strip club.

^ I hear you but there are still some decent folks out there, problem is with the daily bombardment of bullshit it keeps you on edge, and makes it difficult to trust anyone

I don't think stage work or pole work matters. Too many girls put so much work into it for a few bucks. They can make yhe same not doing shit.

We as PLs have to cope with it that dancers try to manipulate us subconsciously like salespeople in general do. My favs don't have much hostility when other dancers sell extras VIP (or OTC) for double or triple or more the going rate. What causes them more problems are rough-looking dancers who sell extras VIP for the going rate or lower. They feel like it creates a subconscious sense of entitlement with PLs that all strippers should do extras VIP for at most a small premium over the going rate.

The analogy would be, if you owned a Five Guys, would you really want a McDonald's right next door? You'd probably get people who were like, your burgers are better than a Quarter-pounder, but they really should only cost $1 more.

My brother owned 15 five guys and figured being next to a McDonalds was their problem and loss, not his. I asked his partner one time what it was like to own a five guys and he said imagine if you owned a printing press that printed money, pretty good huh? Then imagine if you owned 15.

So I am 100% one of those dancers who likes to bounce around club to club…and I have no shame about that 🥳🥳🥳

blahblahblah, guys that have more experience with women will know that buying dances is a chumps game. So a dancer may well hit it off with them and be well taken care of, just buying dances no.

SJG

Working more than one club is a great strategy. It gives you options. You find nights that work the best plus events etc. Getting too used to one club canbe really limiting

I've been in upscale clubs where all the girls do crazy shit on stage for like maybe $5 from old white guys. Then they think ur a piece of shit when you do nothing up there cuz they are so spoiled.

But yeah stage doesnt always matter but I'm just saying it does matter overall tho yes.

It depends on the club. Now jn clubs without dances it does matter.

But I've seen a lot of clubs where guys are so cheap and girls doing naked splits and pole tricks and wrapping legs around necks while nude......for 1 to 5 dollars. They shouldn't be putting that effort in

^yes. I dont know what goes thru some of these ladies heads

They think it will lure guys into paying more but it doesn't.

It's like girls lured by guys who flex cash and designer shit. Then waste their time seeing how much the hirl will do for a dollar.

Girls need to realize that the only real money jn a club is the money they're holding. And they need to get that 6heu have the power. Not the tricks

I agree, but a lot of this wave of strippers is fucking retarded and easy to manipulate. Like the shit I say/do with these customers has a lot of strippers even hating on me from time to time. Now I really cannot give less of a fuck 🤷🏼‍♀️ I personally think they are secretly jelly that this adorable white girl is a lot worse at taking bullshit than them. What can I say we all have our talents. Maybe they can learn to have a backbone too instead of hating. Sure business is a hit of give and take and compromise, but seems these days most strippers all they do is give give give more than they are getting. This is just not ok. This shit is common sense. It doesn't take a high IQ to figure this job out and the psychology of it and how to stay in control and not let a fucking man 🏃‍♂️🔪☠⚰ lead them by a leash, HAH

nicespice has been on a stripabout ever since a dingo stole her baby. SJG went insane cause he was the baby daddy.

The girls are very easily manipulated. From what I'm seeing a lot of them take the city girls saweetie Meghan the stallion etc seriously and think selling pussy makes them bad bitches. In their minds they think it's an accomplishment to get money to fuck and makes them in control. When in reality they're lowering themselves for a few trinkets. Some of these girls sell pussy for shopping trips then take all the shit back and get the money and think that's hustling.

This kind of stupidity just makes them unattractive.

A girl can get a lot more selling a fantasy and leading tricks on. And its easier.

It used to be that there was jealousy of girls hot enough to not have to resort to that. Now it's hate for girls not stupid like them coz they remind them of their stupidity

Yeah I get if they are screwing someone they are attracted to or in a relationship with and the guy spoils them. But doing all that with someone you dont care for strictly to go shopping sounds fucking retarded to me.

Idk like if they are in a bad spot and need money right then and there fine. I shouldn't judge, I don't have kids/deadbeat parents to support like some of them...But I just don't get why they brag about their dirt idk this new behavior weirds me out. It's just so trashy.

Although I hear some of these rappers' songs here and there I don't really know what they do or don't do in real life so I wouldn't know much about it. It does seem like these strippers do get their weird mindset from somewhere though.

In my experience girls like that have expensive coke habits.

The music. The culture behind it. Wannabe rappers and club promoters perpetuate a culture where people act like rap songs are real. These girls have social lives revolving about guys with fake jewelry and rented cars paying them to go to air bnb parties where they give them drugs in hopes of fucking them. That's a really for many.

They don't get spoiled or lived they get used.

But I think spoiling someone you love is a good thing. But its a mess

A lot of the women who dance in strip clubs have drug habits. I do not deal with them.

SJG