Is this a good idea? Or good intentions that may go bad?
Cashman1234
He/Him - He’s a filthy pig. That’s him in VIP with another whore.
I saw a post about Victoria’s Secret having a model with Down syndrome in lingerie, and I thought it was great they would include her. But then I started thinking, will this sexualize a young woman who might not understand the attention she receives?
I’d like to hear your thoughts and discuss this topic.
https://people.com/human-interest/sofia-…
I’d like to hear your thoughts and discuss this topic.
https://people.com/human-interest/sofia-…
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Sexuality definitely doesn’t go away with certain individuals. I have one brother who will blatantly get naked and masturbate and leave the bedroom door open. Then I yell at him to shut the door. I have another brother who is gay, and has behaved blatantly in ways multiple times to indicate that he likes men. (Especially males who have been a caretaker/counselor/or teacher in the past) Both brothers require lifelong assistance and will never have the ability to take care of themselves.
There are definitely problems caused when they may have less of an ability to understand consent, or give consent. At this time, I do not have an answer of what boundaries are most appropriate for most.
I am not completely aware of Down syndrome, and I did some quick googling. It seems like a small percentage end up being able to live independently, be employed, and even complete post-secondary education? Seems like there may be a wider spectrum and when it comes to this individual, it may very well be one would have to evaluate her on a one-by-one basis to know whether she truly consented or not to being a public figure.
NiceSpice have you ever seen special needs males come into a stripclub. I am not referring to the mentally ill like SJG or Icey but actual learning disabled types. How were those handled?
I'm leaning towards this being yet another example of the left exploiting someone to push boundaries and look enlightened. In all probability, she has a child-like mind and might not understand the full implications. There are creeps out there with fetishes for special needs women.
Are they going to put a 14-year-old model in there next?
And @shadowcat, I think some of those mags are putting in trans "models." But they're becoming increasingly irrelevant.
I've seen guys on wheelchairs and other disabilities in clubs. Girls feel good about themselves like it's an act if charity. Others see them as easy money and good regulars.
One older hooker had a disabled guy come to Vegas once a year to fuck. A lot of them have relatives or friends puck up hookers for them
https://youtu.be/mdLfkhxIH5Q
When we talk about he problem of shoplifting, nobody says, hey stores, keep your shit behind the counter, cause shoppers will be shoppers. But the boys will be boys thing is implicit here. Females (or their guardians if they need one) are not responsible to control the temptations of others. Males (or their guardians if they need one) should make sure they don't follow impulses when doing so would disrespect others.
There always have to be strong safeguards whenever the gubment takes away somebody's full adult rights. I'm not sure everyone with Down's Syndrome can't responsibly exercise their full adult rights.
Few if any humans dislike being sexually attractive. What they dislike is others feeling entitled to stereotype, sexually assault, or otherwise disrespect them.
People want to be models for multiple reasons, money (I would guess it's the biggest one), celebrity, the chance to date hot people. I don't know much about Down's Syndrome, but I doubt it makes you not want any of that.
Dealing with one's sexuality is complicated, presumably even more so if you have mental disabilities. Our society seems to feel like the solution is to try to force people with mental disabilities to not have sexuality. Someday, in a better world, people may see that as being as seriously fucked up as it really is.
I think heaving is probably right that she would not have been picked if she didn't have Downs. She's hot in typical way a healthy woman in her twenties is. Advertisers brainwash us into seeing everything, women's bodies included, as a product line, where you can always get something "better" with more $. What they're currently selling us as the "top of the line" woman is facial proportions typical of a 2 year old, body proportions typical of a 13 year old, but with the boobs of a stockier woman in her twenties. She doesn't look like that.
And she's already being exploited. She's not a victorias secret model. She's the model with downs syndrome...
It appears the average IQ of a person with Down syndrome is about 50, which is similar to that of a 9 year old. This model must be a high functioning Down syndrome person, so even with an IQ near 60, she’s still below the intellect of an adult.
She’s done runway work already, so she’s not new to the spotlight, and that’s good. I appreciate Warrior and NiceSpice offering their personal insights as well.
https://imgur.com/a/oIxvtYc
the online subscriptions must be over the moon.
I’ve met a couple of learning disabled types before, who were with older male family members. Twice what happened was the dad/uncle would pre-pay for dances and alluded to their disability and told me to “take care” of them. (I guess be sensitive and a good entertainer)
There was also one customer who comes to my home club fairly often. Occasionally, he will bring somebody he takes care of in the club with him. The guy he takes care of I have chatted with and get along with and we are friends on PokémonGo, and have done gym raids and exchanged in-game gifts before. The caretaker reg will give the guy singles for tipping stage. He won’t allow the guy to do lapdances though because apparently the one time he did purchase a dance for that guy, he acted way inappropriately and the club asked them both to leave at that time.
Buy our goods because we are more virtuous than our competition. If you don’t buy our underwear, you are a bad person.
-not everything at Victoria’s Secret is sexy. There is everyday lingerie, pajamas, workout clothes, accessories like handbags/slippers/gloves, sweats, etc. There are some models who shoot with them and only model non-lingerie items.
-there is VS Pink that has nothing sexy and a LOT of non-lingerie items.
-American Eagle has a full standalone store called Aerie, they sell the same stuff as VS—panties, bras, pjs, workout clothes, etc. They have had a downs girl modeling in panties and bras for several years. No one is freaking out and no one is calling the news about her. I am also suspicious that they may even use the same model tbh.
-Victoria’s Secret markets to women. They don’t have sexy posing, they don’t show nipples or crotch cleavage, much of the time they don’t even show a back shot in a thong.
So we are making a big deal of nothing, if you ask me.
It is also kind of a weird choice as far as marketing but ok. 🤷🏼♀️
I was not a fan of VS's "inclusive" modeling stuff at first, cause it seemed like they were just throwing some different races and some fat girls in the mix, but I think as they've matured it it's gotten reasonable.
I’m sure my view of VS as a lingerie company is no longer entirely valid, and they have expanded into many other areas.
The Down syndrome model I linked was modeling lingerie in her VS content. She’s a beautiful young woman, and she’s definitely got more going for her beyond her VS content.
Maybe this isn’t the most appropriate place to discuss this type of sensitive (or deep) topic.
On the surface - a club goer might think - Omg this dude will love it! He will feel a sexy girl grinding on him! He will get tits rubbed in his face! It’s gonna be great!
But, it’s not that simple. The special needs person might not understand the rules, or that person might forget the rules, when there are tits in his face. So, it could be setting up a person who already has emotional challenges, to fail.
It’s also possible that the special needs person could get too attached to a dancer, and almost obsess over her. Again, that’s not good.
Victoria’s Secret has her in a bra in what is essentially a headshot. If that’s sexy for you, there’s no social irresponsibility or exploitation on VS’s behalf. It’s not for you, it’s an everyday bra, not a sexy bra, it’s a product shot meant to sell the clothes. If that is sexual for you, it’s on you, not Victoria’s Secret.
In the name of "pushing the envelope" by posting fat women, trans women, now women with DS, they've alienated their core base of young, horny males.
It is weird how a woman can wear a bikini at the beach it people accept she's not necessarily trying to be sexy/immodest, may just be more comfortable or wants a more complete tan. But a woman couldn't walk down the street or through the mall in that bra, without it being seen as very provocative.
And true, it's not for me, I'd need a larger size for my moobs.