No logic in rules
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>:( 🧚🏼♀️💃🏼 busy being a "psycho bitch" 🤣
Like hey it is ok to let dudes touch on stage especially for like $4, but ur panties better be a certain width.
Wear nipple tape or pasties 🤮 yuck but tons of touching everywhere during dances is standard
1 foot on the ground during dances. Lol! I can definitely fuck with 2 feet on the ground so not sure what this rule is preventing????
Work 4 days a week?????
What is this sht? where is the hourly wage to ensure ahem attendance
Also telling me if police come in they can tell me to take off my bra to check if I got pasties/nipple tape on??
Umm no just cuz someone is the police doesn't mean they get a free show.
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Early on with the manager, “do you have a larger underwear, or something that covers your butt? We like to leave something to the imagination at this place”
(…Ummmmm no your establishment certainly does not)
Also, unlike other clubs I knew, you had to ask permission to leave your shift. Ugh. That was an unpleasant surprise especially because another club within the same chain did not. Though that ended up just as well because I only liked the clientele that would be that after like 11pm, so I ended up coming in way late and only working like 3 hours or so.
Although, I think the 1 foot on the ground rule isn’t to stop having two feet on the ground? I think it’s supposedly to limit how much the customer is being straddled. Not that it really does much since in a lot of places with that rule, the seats are low enough and it doesn’t really prevent much. Even for people who are 5’0 like me. I only know of one club that had that rule and kept the seats actually high.
Also with regards to nipple tape and pasties but touching…have fun in San Antonio with paying the house mom to spray paint your boobs and butt…and super blatant stage contact going on. And somebody straight up asking for a condom in the dressing room.
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But yeah, the perfect club doesn’t exist anywhere. I just let myself enjoy (or bail from) the eccentricities. And at least like that it’s easier to do at titty bars.
Especially since from my vantage point the nonsense is even worse in the vanilla job world. And meeting recruiters on campus all emphasizing that the most important thing was “company culture” and that “both our values align”…unpaid internships…multiple rounds of interviews of bs…umm NO I was already going to make peace with being ruthlessly exploited and that should be good enough. I will not pretend to care about the same things of whatever middle manager likes politically/culturally (I assume that’s what the values stuff was alluding to anyways). Fuck outta here. And thank god that stuff is finally in the beginning stages of imploding on itself and “no one wants to work” and strikes in different industries are happening…but that’s a whole different matter.
I remember clubs where girls had to wear something over their g strings. Or no lap dances in areas other than the main room yet the clubs had vip areas.
Some clubs have girls wear pasties so they can have alcohol. I saw all nude clubs where girls wore pasties.
But pasties kill it for me. That makes it a bikini bar. I donno it's a psychological hangup for me lol
This likely speaks to the intellect of the club manager, who is probably not a genius.
I agree with NiceSpice regarding vanilla jobs - and the company culture crap. It can go way too far, and it’s intrusive.
Welcome to the Bizarro World of Strip Clubs.
Bizarro World is an Alternate Universe where everything is the same... but different/opposite/illogical. The Superman comics create d this idea/concept in the 60s
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1. Money. No matter how ridiculous the rule, if it wasn't imposed by local LE or city ordinance, the club manager thinks it will generate more money.
Examples include: Drink minimums, VIP room access fees (plus per dance fees), preferred seating area/booths, Club Cash scrip (sorry, PL, no refunds on you leftover $1,000 of funny money), mandatory tip for buying $1 bills, parking fees, shift rules and fines, tip-out/stage fees, etc.
2. As implied in #1, local LE or city/state ordinances. These are almost ALWAYS the result of people or legislatures who want to kill strip clubs, but know they have to stay away from laws or rules that infringe 1A rights. (1A = 1st amendment.)
Examples include: 6-foot rule when topless or nude, 1-foot on the ground, no doors or opaque curtains on VIP booths, pasties requirements, no-knock LE arrivals, state or city stripper registration requirements, giant "Prostitution is illegal" signs, etc.
Next time you hear about dumb-fuck rule, you will find the rationale comes from one of these reasons.
I’m watching mens curling on the Olympics! There’s a lot of man ass in this sport! Omg!
Sorry - I posted that under the wrong alias…
SJG
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But the things the OP is talking about are fine. Anything consensual is okay, Front Room or Back Room.
The further people go front room, the more that loosens everyone else up.
SJG
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Today, in most us clubs most of the women eventually come to be very happy with P4P sex.
SJG
I smiled reading this; 12 years ago Missouri passed revised Sexually Oriented Business regulations later unanimously upheld by state supreme court to be constitutional. So some of the regs sound familiar and no they often have no reasonable basis other than make it increasingly difficult for strip clubs to operate profitably.
"These are almost ALWAYS the result of people or legislatures who want to kill strip clubs" -herbtcat. He got it absolutely right. And here in the heart of America these efforts are entirely the doing of socially conservative Republicans.
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. A Show-Me State lawmaker wants a sin tax on those who show too much. First, Missouri banished sexy billboards and young strip dancers. Now, Republican Sen. Matt Bartle wants to force adult entertainment businesses out of the state by stripping them of their profits. Legislation pending in the Senate would impose a 20 percent tax on revenues of all sexually oriented businesses, charge a $5 fee for each person entering their doors and prohibit them from staying open late at night.
***The goal of the bill is to make Missouri inhospitable for these businesses, said Bartle.***
[John] Putnam’s group, called Citizens for a Decent Environment, started researching laws on sexually oriented businesses that had withstood court challenges. The group contacted attorney Scott Bergthold, who had drafted some of the legislation. “It took us three years from the time we got the language to get the Legislature to act on it,” said Putnam. He and other residents testified in favor of the proposal in House and Senate hearings. The measure that was enacted was sponsored by Sen. Matt Bartle, Lee’s Summit, [from Joplinglobe.com 11/16/2011]
Here are some of the state regs which by law supercede any county or local regulations unless tose are even more restrictive. So much for the phony local control bullshit.
* No person shall knowingly or intentionally, in a sexually oriented business, appear in a state of nudity. Yes Virginia, in Missouri it IS possible to ban nudity despite the First Amendment.
* No employee shall knowingly or intentionally, in a sexually oriented business, appear in a semi-nude condition unless the employee, while semi-nude, shall be and remain on a fixed stage at least six feet from all patrons and at least eighteen inches from the floor in a room of at least six hundred square feet.
* No employee, who appears in a semi-nude condition in a sexually oriented business, shall knowingly or intentionally touch a patron or the clothing of a patron in a sexually oriented business.
* "Nudity" or "state of nudity", the showing of the human male or female genitals, pubic area, vulva, anus, anal cleft, or cleavage with less than a fully opaque covering, or the showing of the female breast with less than a fully opaque covering of any part of the nipple or areola;
*"Semi-nude" or "state of semi-nudity", the showing of the female breast below a horizontal line across the top of the areola and extending across the width of the breast at such point, or the showing of the male or female buttocks. Such definition includes the lower portion of the human female breast, but shall not include any portion of the cleavage of the female breasts exhibited by a bikini, dress, blouse, shirt, leotard, or similar wearing apparel provided the areola is not exposed in whole or in part;
*"Specified anatomical areas":
(a) Less than completely and opaquely covered: human genitals, pubic region, buttock, and female breast below a point immediately above the top of the areola; and,
(b) Human male genitals in a discernibly turgid state, even if completely and opaquely covered;
* "Specified sexual activity", any of the following:
(a) Intercourse, oral copulation, masturbation, or sodomy; or
(b) Excretory functions as a part of or in connection with any of the activities described in paragraph (a) of this subdivision
These regs are so complex as to not be easily enforceable; the point is to provide a number of avenues for LE, etc to harass clubs & employees so as make it more difficult to operate a profitable business smoothly.
Because the contact happens at certain moments in time but clothing deficiencies are always visible. Anyone coming into the club at any moment can instantly see the clothing issues.
“Excuse me”.
Then he goes well that’s what they do at the hitching post.
“This ain’t the hitching post tho”
Now we both looking at each other 👀, cause we both had the audacity 😩
At Centerstage we do 30 minute sets and you have to get on every hour. This makes no sense at all.
A club where girls are allowed (in the open) to sniff coke in the bathroom but because I didn’t have ideal stripper shoes I was bringing the club down.
The women who work in strip clubs do not get that many civvie date invitations, they just get solicitations. Eventually most of them just decide to go with it and have some adventure, rather than having to sit home alone.
SJG
And of course they have civvie lives. Dancing us just a job
But all you have to do is pick one and usually she can be yours.
SJG
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Most sit home alone and lonely, or they go out with the GFs.
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OMS Martinism
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If you find a girl you want, and she dances in a stirp club, you likely can really get to her.
SJG
So frustrating. In most clubs I've been it was usually the less cute girls with little game doing the most. Throw that out the door with these scandalous Latinas ugh.
She's got her cock in her hand, sitting in my lap, rubbing it on her legs and ass, etc...
While I'm finger banging her. Two fingers, past all the knuckles into her vagina.
But actually sliding that penis into her vagina, oh, no, can't do that... She don't "have sex"....
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So it works out that the most extreme girls rule, and it goes to FS.
This is why we go there.
This had been very rare in the US, but attitudes have changed for many. So in many places, the extreme clubs are FS. And a great deal happens in the front room as extreme girls initiate.
Deja Vu comes in and buys up clubs to destroy that, and then micromanages the interactions to a degree which no one else would even try. Deja Vu is a pimp, and they are the Evil Empire which is destroying our strip clubs!
SJG
Everybody keep your shoes on
You only have to do two of three songs in the stage set
Somebody else can cover your stage if you’re busy
Topless or nude dances are ok, you choose
Grinding dances ok
Touching ok, you choose
Customer pays me directly
If you aren’t tipping or dancing you have to leave
Someone ALWAYS walks you to your car
We only give out $2 bills to customers
Dancers do not approach customers at the stage
Rules I do not like:
You have to stay a certain number of hours
The bouncer watches the dances
You can’t miss your stage even if you’re dancing
You have to have a license
You have to wear/not wear particular things
Rules of my own:
If you want to touch something cool, you have to get a dance
If you are respectful and polite, there is a better time to be had
Guac is extra
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San Francisco was a very loose metro, and LE accepted this. But then in came Deja Vu. Their clubs are only competitive when zoning laws prevent the opening of new clubs, and they most definitely know this. They buy clubs just so they can close them. And then usually real estate developers demolish the building and make it office or residential.
Deja Vu is a think tank. They have women dancers at their highest levels. They have figured out the psychology of strip clubs, and they know that it depends upon front room friendliness. Even if this does not go beyond the limits of public sex or lewd conduct, it does create the impression that it is beyond legal limits in the back rooms. And so this impression creates a legal risk.
But in San Francisco the authorities had come to live with this. They saw that it was better than out on the street.
And in many metros they have realized that trying to make busts in such an environment most always involves disregard of Constitutional guarantees of Due Process, and they usually involve a corrupt LE.
So Deja Vu was coming in and smashing the UHM industry which had developed.
And they con the women into going along with this, into the idea that this is protecting them and increasing their income, just as they con the customer that what they are getting is the real thing.
Everyone has experienced con artistry at some point in their life. When you find it you will feel right away that this is something you have experienced before. We best describe this using the French term deja vu.
SJG
But they are unlike how strip clubs used to be because Deja Vu tries to regulate it and screw it up to drive more guys into the back rooms for even less.
Deja Vu was the one who broke new ground in trying to regulate the women.
Their pioneered the modern version of the Clip Joint.
SJG
What Deja Vu does is try to micro-manage it so that they get more money by taking advantage of the customers who are gullible. They con the men and they con the women.
Icey, you keep reposting the same things, without trying to understand what is being said. And you do this as WW3 is breaking out.
SJG
All you do is repost the exact same things in every thread all day.
If you tell me the same thing you'll get the same answer
SJG
Pricing works itself out. But front room friendliness determines the quality of what happens in the back room. The girl has to have the chance to open up while still in a non-committal mode.
SJG
The industry exists to provide indulgence in fantasy, not logic. Also, my point is that from your side of the pole, it may seem logical. But, you're on the side of indulgence. It's a very different perspective. But, you just enjoy your ignorance of any other perspective but your own.
And it was standard in one of our underground clubs, with very low lighting.
Icey, I do not use racial epithets, and I do not call some women "hookers".
In the best clubs, the ones who are trying to defy the authorities, they just let the women do things the way they want. I saw and partook of this in our underground circuit, and S.F. was much more like that before Deja Vu took the clubs over and reinvented them as Clip Joints.
SJG
You are just throwing out denigrations, not really adding to the conversation.
The women who work in strip clubs are getting money. Those who go there know this, and they know that if you want to get intimate with her ITC, you should be ready with money.
Everyone involved is of legal age.
SJG
The English speaking world has been the slowest to come to this. But this is changing. Look at a Canada and Australia.
And Amnesty International says that yes, sex workers are vulnerable to exploitation, but the remedy they recommend is full decriminalization.
SJG
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TOTALLY TRUE!
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