Not that I see anything wrong with the working girl business. However when one sees very attractive (no BJ/no HJ, no FS in other words "clean") established dancers increasingly mentioning things like 1. possibly moving to a Nevada ranch to work at one of the legal bordellos 2. maybe locally opening a special type of spa modeled after the AMPs 3. perhaps setting up an escort business for select clientele 4. inquiring about getting a Sugar Daddy arrangement with someone (including perhaps you) - this tells me something is changing in the stripper business. All these things have been mentioned to me JUST in recent weeks. Keep in mind, most of these girls have no Plan B to stripping that pays much more than Walmart wages
No doubt in my mind that the economy has impacted on their life styles. Why change life styles when you can revert to another ADULT type business and make good money, and keep living the same way? Especially if you have no other training or education to fit another employment field. I constantly see and hear from the dancers' aspect, where the business is just not coming in any longer.
I am not too familiar with the escort business per se, however I do have some personal knowledge of the AMPs, and I've (personally) verified that around 20% of these spas in my locale do offer the full FS deal. In my locale no doubt these businesses are economically viable longer term regardless of the economy because of their low overhead design using basically a limited english-speaking/family-connected workforce. However I am beginning to wonder whether the FS spa's business too (like strippers) is seeing some impact from the economy. The girls tend to be quite attractive, however there is one particularly attractive korean girl, (model level looks), actually claiming (perhaps spa equivalent of SS) that she's been "waiting" for me "every morning" (i.e to select her) and even insisted it was true even after I claimed that I found it hard to believe. Apparently she had seen me with the other girls at the same spa, ones I've met after meeting her first. Hard to believe a girl like that is just waiting around for customers. Remember this girl probably cannot speak more than 20 sentences in english despite being in the USA 2 years, however it possibly indicates the business is down. I happen to go late in the mornings (when I happen to go now and then) and don't see other customer, so I suspect that's a low volume time anyways.
Now in terms of the regular FS escort business, my knowledge is mostly 2nd hand, however I noticed that prices in my locale in the northeast are running around 300 to 400 dollars an hour for what appears to be some very high class (and favorably TER reviewed) women. That seems pretty reasonable and I'm wondering whether that market will soon become flooded with supply if strippers start diverting into escorting. In any case, prices might hold up simply if they can recruit more demand from new customers regardless of the economy, as I suspect their current customer base is somewhat limited overall.
In my experiences it seemsn that most of the strippers fall into one of 2 catagories, those who are woking at their trade as a full time "career" as long as they can and then perhaps going into hair cutting or some such simar occupation after their time is up, and IU suppose that means when guys no longer find them atrative enough to spend $$$ on at the club, or those who maybe in collage or some other type of training and plan on leaving the SC worlkd or maybe cutting back once they have anither carreer going. But I don't think mnay have a plan B if they lost their jobs. WOnder how many of th older female bar tenders were strippers in their prime?
Of the strippers I know that have been the type (even going back years before I met them) to both live cheaply and and save, they don't seem to be panicking. They seem to have a recognition that the pay levels in the good times with successful girls were always a bit ludicrous anyways. Many of these girls who worked the business diligently,in the right clubs, had the right look - in fact (on an after tax basis) were earning as much as many newly established doctors and other high earning professionals, and sometime more, and they didn't have $100,000 plus student loans to contend with or 80 hour workweeks
The earn-and-spend-it-all and save nothing types seem to the ones really worried about what is happening
controlled release Percodan. Don't even try it, if abused IT WILL KILL YOU. If you have cancer or something worse, if used correctly it cn ease you suffering. In all likelyhood it will be taken off the market sometime in the future
BTW, on a sidenote... "I've heard" that if you have any extra drugs of the common variety used by some of the girls at clubs, you can either sell them for a pretty good profit, or better still, negotiate with the dancer of your choice, some sort of a "barter." I've heard that Zanex is especially in high demand. [wink]
NJ_Pete:
I think waitressing and/or bar tending is probably THE most common choice for a "second career" that dancers select. I think the dancers that get tired of getting groped at work, and those that are coming to realize that they are no longer in big demand - or otherwise choose to leave the dancing profession make that career move to bar tending because of several factors.
Typically, they tend bar in the same establishment that they've been dancing in. Most of the time it's because they feel comfortable there, they already know most of the customers... they know mgmt, the dancers, etc., so it just makes a lot of sense.
How many times have we noted that the waitresses and bar tenders are usually hot at strip clubs?
I know a lot of waitresses and bar tenders that are either ex-dancers and some that are even current dancers. I know one waitress in particular that has always given me VHM. It's always kind'a cool to get your drink delivered with a pretty smile and short fondling of Mr Happy.
Combining stripping and escorting actually seems to work nicely for some of these girls, as once they decide to make the jump and get into OTC whoring, they can sell it right during the private dance sessions or during their bar-talk chit chat with customers, and they can be more selective than they might have to be on the (increasingly insane) Craigs List and other ad sources, and they can more easily avoid the (occasional) random weirdos they might be forced to deal with. One dancer I know has pretty much resolved (for now at least) the income gap issue of the recent slowdown entering the escort busines - her cash levels are now way up
I'm of the opinion that most clubs have a few dancers who are also making "dates" with customers. My ATF once told me that some of the girls she worked with did that. I've been approached a few times in clubs, as I'm sure we all have. I wouldn't be surprised if it were increasing. And I think it's a major reason why so many guys proposition strippers - some of them say yes, and I think that's why some guys go to clubs.
The reality is most of these strippers who do escorting on the side, have prices that are way way beyond market rates, and I believe that's because (for years in some cases) a fair amount of them have been able to earn big money simply by parading around the bar half naked, chatting with customers, going on stage now and then, and shaking and rubbing their asses against men's crotches, with many never having to do any real "extras" of any type, and at worst maybe a light "extra" now and then
Actually I've found that is all a bluff. Strippers who will fuck OTC will start the negotiations pretty high, that's for sure. But if they are serious about it, they will come down to usual escort prices. Especially if they think you are likely to be a regular, then you can get some insanely good deals. (Like 2 hours for $250. Had one even offer an all nighter for that price.)
Similarly, brothels workers in NV will quote you some outrageous prices at the start, until you establish that you are not a complete mark, then prices will become reasonable.
One dancer around 22 or 23 year old who been selling this deal on me, she justifies her (absurd) 400 dollar per shot price by referring to it as "PRIME pussy", and remember this was in the context of a talked about ongoing 1k to 2k a month in business for her -just in screwing money. As I've said she's about a 9 level, nice long legs, natural C's, latin origin, very pretty face, very very kissable lips,(and a non-smoker) near the best quality chick in this smaller upscale club, and the deal included MORE than an hour at time --however 400 dollars? Her "quickie" price is she claims 300 dollars.
David: Do you think you would fuck her more than once? If so, fuck her once at her premium price, and I guarentee you after that it will come down. They get addicted to your business and money pretty quickly. In fact, in my experience they start phoning all the time: to the point of being annoying.
Now: Some, oddly, take it as a sign of their "value" how much you pay them the first them but will accept less later, once you have established your "respect for them" if you can mention that you've had some bills/financial problems of your own. (Never explicitly say you want a lower price, let them mention it, and if they don't tell them you have to wait... blah, blah... a bit of their own game back at them!)
5 or 6 times a month was a possiblity, and yes no doubt she would probably bargain it down over time -however in any case, its a bit risky for various reasons, one being this girl sometimes acts a bit DITZY and I wouldn't be surprised if she just forgets to take her pill one day.
However, probably too late to claim I don't have the money, although the recent U.S. dollar drop has (arguably) impacted me, and even she would have heard on the news by now the problems with the U.S. dollar.
In any case Jan and Feb are always bad months in the strip business and by then she might be down to 200 bucks a pop considering the way things are going with the economy etc.
David9's: You posted a link above (http://providence.craigslist.org/ers/484…), which I hoped would be info about this girl you've been talking about...maybe even a picture! However, the link appears to have been closed (says the posting was deleted by the author)... maybe she got worried that too many people were hitting the site...
DougS - that's the standard technique they use, they put it up for sometimes as few as a couple of hours, sometimes a day - then they erase it. When they post a current one of that girl, I will post it again.
Like many cutting-edge AMPs they have to deal with immigration-related raids now and then
By the way Craig List which is maybe 10 to 20% ok is also (probably 80%) full of outright street whores or borderline street hoes who post often using fake pictures (many obtained from regular girls My Space and other sites) or pictures from 10 years ago. Some of the other faked pics are obviously high end models of some type, yet when AMPs post legit pics of certain girls - they don't get much attention. Could be the higher price structure (relative to street types) or all that cleaning and scrubbing those AMPs do on clients or maybe the AMPs keep out certain clients they don't like -as they seem to prefer upscale types. In any case, on Craigs List many of the using/patrons (who post comments) spend half their time complaining about fake pics from the various hoes and the latest ripoffs perpertrated on them
Not sure where you live, but around here some of the best looking CL escorts also do street work. (No this not a joke or indicative of my bad taste.) (OTOH, there are some extremely scary looking escorts both on and off the street. I am not experienced enough to make any statistical statements.)
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Now in terms of the regular FS escort business, my knowledge is mostly 2nd hand, however I noticed that prices in my locale in the northeast are running around 300 to 400 dollars an hour for what appears to be some very high class (and favorably TER reviewed) women. That seems pretty reasonable and I'm wondering whether that market will soon become flooded with supply if strippers start diverting into escorting. In any case, prices might hold up simply if they can recruit more demand from new customers regardless of the economy, as I suspect their current customer base is somewhat limited overall.
Habits can run up to $400/day.
How do you think they are going to generate money to pay for that and avoid their withdrawal? Answer: any way they can!
The earn-and-spend-it-all and save nothing types seem to the ones really worried about what is happening
I think waitressing and/or bar tending is probably THE most common choice for a "second career" that dancers select. I think the dancers that get tired of getting groped at work, and those that are coming to realize that they are no longer in big demand - or otherwise choose to leave the dancing profession make that career move to bar tending because of several factors.
Typically, they tend bar in the same establishment that they've been dancing in. Most of the time it's because they feel comfortable there, they already know most of the customers... they know mgmt, the dancers, etc., so it just makes a lot of sense.
How many times have we noted that the waitresses and bar tenders are usually hot at strip clubs?
I know a lot of waitresses and bar tenders that are either ex-dancers and some that are even current dancers. I know one waitress in particular that has always given me VHM. It's always kind'a cool to get your drink delivered with a pretty smile and short fondling of Mr Happy.
Similarly, brothels workers in NV will quote you some outrageous prices at the start, until you establish that you are not a complete mark, then prices will become reasonable.
Now: Some, oddly, take it as a sign of their "value" how much you pay them the first them but will accept less later, once you have established your "respect for them" if you can mention that you've had some bills/financial problems of your own. (Never explicitly say you want a lower price, let them mention it, and if they don't tell them you have to wait... blah, blah... a bit of their own game back at them!)
5 or 6 times a month was a possiblity, and yes no doubt she would probably bargain it down over time -however in any case, its a bit risky for various reasons, one being this girl sometimes acts a bit DITZY and I wouldn't be surprised if she just forgets to take her pill one day.
However, probably too late to claim I don't have the money, although the recent U.S. dollar drop has (arguably) impacted me, and even she would have heard on the news by now the problems with the U.S. dollar.
In any case Jan and Feb are always bad months in the strip business and by then she might be down to 200 bucks a pop considering the way things are going with the economy etc.
Like many cutting-edge AMPs they have to deal with immigration-related raids now and then