Going to a club while neurodivergent

I'm the reg of a dancer whose day job is working with autistic people. I have an autistic relative. I asked her, since he's unsurprisingly low on female company, how she thought it would work out if I took him to a club. She didn't really answer, just looked at me and pressed her lips together. I admitted he'd be hard to dance for, not capable of feeling much empathy. Dancer would have to tell him no calmly, cause if she got angry, he'd have a meltdown. She just nodded.

One of my ATFs I'm pretty sure was mildly autistic. I found her extremely charming in an off-beat way. But, full fess, her perfectly dew-dropped shaped, knobby nippled, double D boobies had much to do with her ATF status. I worried some she was making her daughter mental. Her daughter was about 5 when I was her reg. She use to take her deer hunting, and expect her to stay totally quiet. She got torqued because, in pee wee soccer, her daughter thought it meant she scored a goal every time she kicked the ball. I was like, um, she's 5, I think that's totally fine. She took classes in allied health, and totally aced them cause mild autism is good for that, then stopped dancing. She broke her back racing dirt bikes. Between that and the big boobs, she might have had the most fucked-over back in human history. She liked cake. The club she worked at had food, including pretty good cake. Many of my favs asked for cake rather than drinks, the waitress called them my cake whores.

Cd DC beat etc whatever he calls himself now should offer his input

On a serious note. A lot of men with mental illness resort to prostitution and strip clubs. Its the only positive interaction they have with women

And a lot of people with serious problems come on a strip club web site and tell everyone they’re thinking of offing themselves

Autism/Aspergers/Neurological Difference is a hoax which is being used to legitimate the abuse of children and adults. This tendency to stigmatize and other someone existed long before the eugenics movement and the Nazi Party gave us these syndrome names. Look to the boy Simon in Lord of the Flies.

The reason this stuff has been resurrected today, really in the 1990's, is in support of Neo-Liberal Capitalism.

In the UK this corresponded to the Tony Blair administration. In the US it corresponded to the dotcom boom. And you hear far more endorsement of this hoax online than anywhere else.

https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Autism-Medic…

It is still largely a syndrome of the English speaking world. In France and Latin America they don't take it seriously, seeing it as a Psychosis and seeing Psychoanalysis as the best way to respond to it.

These are Catholic countries, so they have less Self-Improvement and Recovery Programs, and less Salvation Churches. And being Catholic countries, they are also Civil Law Countries. So it is just about impossible to disinherit any of your children. The child will not even need a lawyer to collect. A will which attempts to disinherit is completely disregarded. The party is treated like they died without a will. The effect that this tends to have is it limits child scapegoating. You are less likely to find families which have built up around a myth of some kind of innate moral defect. And the Autism/Aspergers/Neurodiversity hoax is after all just another attempt at finding the locus of original sin in one's child or in ones self.

When done to children it is an example of what they used to call MSBP, Facetious Disorder, or now just Medical Child Abuse.

Consenting Adults are free to talk to each other. But we should not be allowing our government to license such therapists, as this is much of where the problem starts.

And Mandatory Reporting was supposed to stop those medical personnel who work with children from being accomplices, because they usually are. But even as written the law is not complied with in private practice. If you hier some sort of a fix my kid doctor they will not report. Their business model demands that they do not.

The laws should be strengthened so that anyone who works with children who sees a minor child showing up at their office for some sort of behavioral, emotional, or psychological problem, must promptly report it, or face prosecution for a federal felony.

Not everyone likes loud music, or color organs that make the lights flash. Not everyone like loud people. But if someone has grown up in an environment when they have been stigmatized, othered, made into the scapegoat, then they will have learned that they need to protect themselves 24-7.

Things start to improve when they no longer live with their parents, and not exposed to any kind of therapists or doctors, and when they have learned how to protect themselves in common situations. Often this will necessitate physical violence, because some people respect nothing else.

Political activism, principled conflict, and political consciousness should always replace therapy, recovery, and salvation seeking.

SJG

The Faces - Maggie May
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6PrldsI…

"On a serious note. A lot of men with mental illness resort to prostitution and strip clubs. Its the only positive interaction they have with women"

Yeah @icee there was this on PL that resorted to paying a stripper whore money and drugs for 5 years and then after she found a better source of coke she dumped him.

https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7636…

Trying to kill yourself over a junkie stripper whore is seriously mental, no? 🤪

Also, in the time since I had last spoken about this sort of a subject, I have read:

https://www.amazon.com/Dominique-analysi…

This book is extremely well known and Dolto was one of those who always opposed the concept of autism. She ran this program, it still runs, Green Mansion. It offers child therapy, which for small children is just play therapy. And the parents are welcome. Her approach is the alternative to going along with the Anglo-American Hoax that there is some objective reality to this so called Neurological Difference.

Dolto was a conservative psychoanalyst. For her there are two genders and they are immutable. Not everyone today really goes along with that. The English translation of her book was 1973, but the actual sessions with Dominique were mostly in 1960.

If you ever have seen or heard something which makes you feel that there must be some objective reality to Autism/Aspergers/Neurological Difference, then read this book and you will be shocked.

Hey, I stepped into something I didn't need to and helped put a man in San Quentin for sexually molesting his daughters. What really angered me about him was that he was really trying to harm his daughters, and really all of his children. He was trying to make them like the people in his Pentecostal Church. And the members of this church were completely behind him.

Most of the Autism advocacy groups in the United States were started as defensive formations of parents, trying to defend themselves against Bruno Bettleheim. Still today this is what they are.

And it is most of all in these so called Autism/Asperger's Narratives, the writings of those who have been convinced that they suffer from such afflictions, that you can see that it is nonsense. All the things they say they cannot do, are clearly evidenced in the writing of the book, and in the stories they tell. And they are not just "normal", they are way way above average for all kinds of intellectual, social, and emotional skills. They had just grown up in an abusive environment, and then they are still under the influence of very conservative political ideas, like the Self-Reliance Ethic. And it is this which is the basis of Neo-Liberal Capitalism.

SJG

Not wanting to live without my soul mate and someone I've spent every day with for 5 years of my life is healthy venting. And my point was how a strip club outing saved me.



Autism is real though. Have you seen people with it?

I've seen people who have been convinced that they have it. And this is a horrible situation. The doctors and the parents should be incarcerated, at a bare minimum.

Read Dolto, or read some of the recent Autism narratives and see for yourself how ridiculous it is.

In honor of Dominique, as in his last session with Dolto he kept intoning the coda.

pam pam pam -- pamm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krhKC63W…

SJG

"Not wanting to live without my soul mate and someone I've spent every day with for 5 years of my life is healthy venting. And my point was how a strip club outing saved me."

^^^ LOL @icee you thinking a junkie stripper whore is your "soulmate" is where the mental issue is. It's simply pathetic and unhealthy to think that you can give money and drugs to a junkie stripper whore and then she'll be a "soulmate". If this is your only positive interaction with a woman you might wanna up your game. Jes saying.

I know someone with an autistic kid and the school sports team therapy have done wonders for him.

They've told him that they can make him passably acceptable to most people most of the time. And in particular, since his affairs are still under the control of his parents, he has gone along with it. They have taught him to get by in life by submitting and asking for pity.

We should not be allowing our gov't to license such therapists, because most of the harm they can do comes from this licensing. Without such a license to hide behind, most of these people would already be behind bars:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYQ0R6pS…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n9vlBtb…

SJG

Usually what it is is that at some level the parent finds the child to be an embarrassment. So these gov't licensed therapists come in to continue the abuse that the parents started.

Not everyone likes loud music. And not everyone cares to be around intoxicated people either.

SJG

Peter Frampton - Do You Feel Like We Do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVCWaWFm…

Without help autistic people end up in poverty on ssdi unable to make real connections with others and the risk of homelessness as adults.

What's the alternative to therapy? Many still can't function

No, without the concept of Autism/Aspergers/Neurodiversity, people do just fine. The problem is usually the creation of the family, backed up by these therapists and doctors.

These issues should be dealt with in a court room, being represented by a lawyer, not in the therapists office.

The therapist's office is just the modern version of the confessional.

SJG

Lol, this is not the brightest thread to have created…😅

Without family autistic people have issues; too bad progressives hate family and love the "it takes a whole village to fuck up a child" mantra.

This isn't normal

https://youtu.be/j4PTf7LgsIE

https://youtu.be/C0rdZOhet24

They need help and are very fortunate if it works

NS what do you have against SJG that you can't take a little joy from giving him hours of fun?

Is it me - or does everyone have SJG on ignore? His denying several mental health issues existence is like the pot calling the kettle black (in a non-racist way)…

What do you get out of harassing sjg?

SJG embarrasses himself. If he's going to show up in every thread and invite ridicule, then that's exactly what he's going to get.

Have you noticed SJG’s complete waste of space here? His posts rarely make relevant points. He is intent on spamming his blubber in each discussion.

Apparently, autism doesn't exist.
600+K Americans have died of Covid 19 because they didn't get enough sleep.
Covid is a hoax by Democrats to prevent him from getting free healthcare.

Honestly, I think pre-quarantine SJG was less irritating when mostly he just called me a chump and said I spent my entertainment dollars the wrong way.

If you don't like what he says and can't debate his points. Leave him alone. It's that easy

heaving that’s an excellent post. I think there’s lots of insight in your post, and I respect you for posting it.

21icee I agree. If SJG didn’t spam the discussions, it would be easier to ignore him.

It seems there are some Scientogiats posting here. Isn't it part of their claims that most mental disease does not exist, and have been fabricated and often even created by physician-pharmaceutical industrial complex?

^^^ Scientologists. Yeah, that's one chapter in their crazy-pants manual. It wouldn't surprise me if SJG was trying to base his creepy sex cult on Scientology. What he's missing is basic coherence and the ability to get to the internet when the library closes.

If SJG insists on inserting his commentary to every thread, then people can react to it however they want. That's how discussion boards work. In the past, I have debated SJG, and it almost always ends with him in an endless autistic loop where he paints himself into a corner and then threatens violence (or puts me on "Ignore").

SJG knows exactly who here will go after him for his horseshit. The fact that he regularly puts those users (including me) on "Ignore" and then takes them off Ignore shows that he wants an audience more than he wants to engage in a discussion.

So, perhaps Icee should spend less time white knighting for TUSCL's creepiest Asperger's patient, and more time not being a pot-stirring attention whore himself.

Trying to be more "on topic"...

Neurodivergency is a wildly varying condition. I think it's safe to say that a strip club would be a bad idea for anyone at the "low functioning" end of the spectrum. That said, even at the high-functioning end, a strip club might work out well for some but be a mushroom-cloud disaster for others.

My only experience with this is a single time when I was sitting with a dancer, and there was a guy in the club who just seemed a bit off. Not in a bad way, but just ... off. Anyway, the dancer saw me eyeball him and explained that the guy was autistic and he came into the club about once per month to see a particular dancer. She would come out and they would immediately go into the VIP for a full hour. The dancer I was with didn't think there was anything sexual going on. Her impression is that they just sat together in the quieter, smaller environment of VIP and maybe talked or cuddled. She fully admitted that she wasn't 100% sure on any of that, but it's just what she had heard.

Assuming that any of it is true, I have no problem with it. He didn't appear dangerous and both the dancer and the customer got what they wanted/needed from the arrangement. It's not how I'd want to spend an hour in VIP, but this falls under not telling people that they're having fun wrong. It could also be argued that there are better, more conventional ways for him to get the social interaction he wanted, but that's subjective and none of my business.

Anyway, I haven't seen him post-Covid.

I think there are some clubs that have a vending machine where you can put in money and make it rain. Though that tends to be done only because the club layout is impractical for stage tipping.

Icey, above you posted two videos and said that this is not normal.

Might it interest you to know that there is an entire industry which works to build the case that raising children who have been labeled as autistic is like living hell and comes pretty close to making the case to kill them.

https://www.amazon.com/War-Autism-Corpor…

You are watching stuff based on that kind of thinking.

If someone is living in a hostile environment, and especially from early childhood, then they are going to be negatively impacted. And therapists exist to back up the parents, because that is how they get their money. They violate mandatory reporting as a matter of standard practice because their business model depends upon sucking up to parents. We should not be allowing our government to license any kinds of psychological, psychiatric, or behavioral therapists.

People have tried and tried to find biological markers for autism. What does this absence mean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzL9sAJm…

Autism only became a commonly accessed phenomenon in the US in the mid 90s, when the works of Hans Asperger were translated into English. And then this also corresponded to the dotcom boom and a much greater cultural interest in computers and in the people who use them and write programs for them. And it also corresponded to the rise of Neo-Liberalism in the conservative Democrats like Bill Clinton.

Hans Asperger wrote about maybe 10 children whom he thought were interesting. But he also signed the papers to have thousands of others euthanized.

Besides being Hitler's personal physician, Karl Brandt ran the Nazi eugenics program. He was executed by hanging 2 June 1948. If Hans Asperger had not been able to hide is involvement with the Nazis and to have drifted into obscurity, he may well have received the same fate.

The autism/aspergers/neurodiversity movement qualifies as Crimes Against Humanity.

SJG

Hey SJG, perhaps the thread that's more appropriate for you to comment on is right here...

https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7681…

Treating mental illness isn't eugenics.

There's autistic porn though


https://www.xvideos.com/?k=Autistic

The idea of mental illness and the idea of autism/aspergers/neurodiversity falls within the definition of Crimes Against Humanity



Penalties start at 20 years and go up from there, and the Statute of Limitations has already been lifted, and lifted retroactively.

"They are not isolated or sporadic events but are part either of a government policy (although the perpetrators need not identify themselves with this policy) or of a wide practice of atrocities tolerated or condoned by a government or a de facto authority."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimes_aga…

"committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian
population"

And much of the "autism treatment" is clearly medical torture. And it is targeted at vulnerable groups, children.

https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files…

SJG

The entire Mental Health system is in Josef Mengele territory. The focal point in the adult edifice is schizophrenia. The focal point in the child edifice is this Autism/Aspergers

SJG

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_t…

Autism therapies are interventions that attempt to lessen the deficits and problem behaviours associated with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) in order to increase the quality of life and functional independence of individuals with autism. Treatment is typically catered to the person's needs. Treatments fall into two major categories: educational interventions and medical management. Training and support are also given to families of those with ASD.[2]

There is no such thing as Autism, so there are no deficits or problem behaviors. The most important need is to tell the therapist to fuck off and to be ready to back it up with physical violence. These educational interventions and medical managements are just legalized torture. It is all bogus

Once they can get someone to go along with an Autism assessment, or a Mental Illness assessment, then they are exonerating all perpetrators. This is the real reason why these assesments exist.


"Doctor look, my son, he's black and blue all over!"

"Yes I see, Black and Blue all over syndrome. We've been seeing a lot of that. Its a good thing you came here to me, instead of going to the public clinic. See, they might have taken a different view. I of course can see that you are a woman of education and social station, and of course you have selected the very best doctor, so you must have the very best of intentions for your son."

https://www.amazon.com/Sickened-True-Sto…

It goes on all the time. Most middle-class child abuse involves doctors.

SJG


Nirvana, Come As You Are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJqQf5DO…

Therapy for autism isn't abusive


And you can't say this is normal behavior

https://youtu.be/j4PTf7LgsIE

Yay! Donkey dicks rule!

"Neurodivergent"... is this some new PC term for strokes, spazzes, and retards?

^
Yes. Yes it is. TUSCL should embrace it given the number of strokes, spazzes, and retards posting here.

I mean really, when I was in elementary school taking the genius classes there was this short bus - err...neurodivergent - kid that we all called spedmonkey

Calling the guy sped monkey scarred him for life. I heard that he grew up to be a real douche. I’ve considered issuing apologies for the spedmonster I made, but then again I don’t care that much.

The term used by NiceSpice was new to me, so I did some reading on the interwebs (as I know everything there is true). Depending on how broadly one defines neurodivergent - the list of conditions can be considered those in the autism and ADHD spectrum - and those are expected - but it can be broad enough to include left-handed as well?

I respect others, and I understand we aren’t here to change or cure them. We should accept folks as they are part of our diverse landscape.

Only about 80-90 years ago, when my grandparents discovered my aunt was left handed, they were horrified. They prayed for her to be converted to being righ handed. They would tie her left hand to the table so she couldn’t use it to eat or write. When I was discovered to be left handed, my father spoke with me about how it might be difficult, and yet he didn’t pursue the same conversion process that his parents did.

After reading through some information, it makes sense, but it’s also a challenge that everyone must face, to accept and include those who are neurodivergent. In no way am I equating left handed with being on the autism spectrum. I’m just offering insight regarding the level of acceptance as differences should not be shunned or “fixed”, but included.

^
I’m all down with inclusion when it comes to being autistic or even generally being a sped. I mean really, some speds are also nice guys. Speds need love too!

But I draw the line at douchebaggery. Just on’t call a douche “neurodivergent”

The hard thing from a moral standpoint is when a sped is also a douche. I mean really, do you forgive the douche behavior just because they’re a sped?

You can't blame someone for behavior they have no control of.

Icee you make a reasonable point. I try to ignore SJG as much as possible.

There are times when I see his lengthy posts and his spamming of non club topics and I think it’s annoying - and I know he needs help. I also know he will never admit to having any issues. I will work harder to just ignore him.

@Icee
If that’s true why do you always act-like the turd in the punch bowl
If you have control you’d know most of your posts are truly unacceptable and many are downright offensive
Any time you post we can count on you to be rude and offensive are you saying you can’t help yourself ?

I think married men addicted to prostitutes need help. Men who get off on Cumming in their pants. Sex tourists etc. Men unable to relate to others with different life experience. We have to try to be understanding of the mentally deficient but it can be hard. We need a friendly reminder at times

^^^ icee if you go that far with men that need help, let's not forget the "men" that need money and drugs to lure a stripper whore into 5 yr GFE.

LOL just a friendly reminder on all the things men need help on. 🤭

^ I think you need to mind your own business and learn to listen more and talk less. you talk shit about the wrong people regularly, as a result you are a pariah, you aren't a contributor, not to to this community, you have been banned twice for refusing to follow the rules here, and boy that takes some work, founder is about as laid back as anyone I've ever seen yet you got banned twice. I would have never have let you back you are a real son of a bitch, that was obvious when founder offered to buy you a drink in Vegas and you didn't even acknowledge the offer.
Go fuck your opinionated self you lazy entitled piece of shit.

^That was to Icee

20fqg I think you need to take your own advice grandpa

ICEE, the entire concept of Autism is abusive. And all the therapy is to do is to try and make the target believe that this ~Neurological Difference~ has some objective reality. And as this is usually being done on juveniles, still under the control of the parents, that is a big part of the purpose, the parents pay so that the child will exonerate them.

SJG

The OP is taking about a guy who articulated a desire to go to a strip club, and was self-aware enough to be nervous about it and express his thoughts to a therapist. I’d say that puts him closer to normal than everyone wants to assume.

I’m very aware of the discourse around autism spectrum disorder and I know a couple friends from childhood who were diagnosed. I see them as individuals.

I think by definition it's Icee that's autistic, after all the behavior exhibited by that character shows that there is no self control or impulse control and I'm sure it's no different for Icee in real life

@twentyfive, to your point, icee admitted several times that "his" junkie stripper whore dumped "him" for being way too controlling. 🤷

(To which "he" vehemently denied. 😂)

Calling me disabled as a pejorative reflects on you.

"OP is taking about a guy who articulated a desire to go to a strip club"

If the guy wants to go he should go. As far as advising him, that might be referenced to other places he has gone which might be somewhat similar. Did he like that? Not everyone likes loud music, flashing lights, loud people, or especially drunks.

On the other hand, strip clubs tend to be some of your more regulated environments.

But here locally, the busy nights at the Sunnyvale Brass Rail tended to be about male bonding and alcohol. The women were just props because the guys did not want to appear as though they were gay.

Brass Rail day time was never like that. Our no alcohol nude clubs are more sedate.

Pink Poodle has always been very well run.

People have written about black clubs in other parts of the country. At night time they become like regular night clubs. Large groups of guys huddled together around a pool table, and throwing money onto the stage. But not really interested in further engagement with the women. And women not interested in doing dances. So if you want more to engage with the women, need to go day shift, or as soon as it opens.

We have places which are really fairly sedate. One where most all of the women do all the OTC they can, even immediate OTC. Always a pleasant place, and the women really interesting to talk to.

And then there are AMPs. And we even have sex surrogates. It really just depends on what the party is hoping to find.

SJG

No Icee, calling you disabled is the unvarnished truth, you don't even have the self control of SJG he has more decency in his pinky toe than you have in your whole body

Stripping is unlikely to provide a steady income for 40 years. Gotta get the most $ while you can. Obviously, a stripper has a right to take a pass on any customer she wants. I feel bad for strippers who feel they have to dance for people who talk a lot of shit to them and seem to enjoy doing stuff the dancer's not down with. But if a customer simply seems clueless about it when he's making a dancer uncomfortable, he could just be mildly autistic, rather than just a standard asshole. It could be workable situation for her to get his money, if she calmly explains what is and isn't OK with her. Explain repeatedly that different dancers have different rules, as variation is challenging for autistic people.

If a dancer has a flat affect with you, could be mild autism, don't assume she's hates you or her job. The haters seem sad and/or grumpy.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/obs…

NeuroDiversity is simply asking people to plead for pity, and over a completely bogus ailment. They plead for pity while being loaded into the cattle cars for internment.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c…

So what I would recommend instead is Marshal Arts Training, followed by Military Commando Training.

Claude Berr, rather than wearing a lapel tag, he fled to Scotland and got training:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zdzf5aQ…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hgU3wvQ…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BPWoYzp…

The second and third authors on this are people who had accepted the Autism/Neurodiversity label. But now they reject it. The third author in particular said that in the UK their public health system puts lots of energy and money into trying to get people "accessed". And he said that once he finally took it off of his resume, he got for the first time in his life employment and pay which he felt was suitable for his age and ability level.

https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Autism-Medic…

SJG

SJG said "So what I would recommend instead is Marshal Arts Training..."

So, by 'Marshal Arts' do you mean something like this...

https://www.behance.net/gallery/9019581/…

Or, perhaps before you recommend 'Marshal Arts' to anyone, you should learn how to spell 'martial'. Or, perhaps you meant this:

https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7681…

^ Marshal arts involve running someone over on a huffy

Martial arts means not becoming a target of the resurgent eugenics movement or becoming a victim of Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy.

SJG

No, it means you're a creepy narcissist who likes to sound intellectual to an audience, but is actually a high-mileage moron.

In addition to not taking seriously any strip club advice from the one fuckwit who couldn't finagle an internet connection from the MIDDLE OF SILICON VALLEY during the pandemic. I'm also not taking seriously any opinions about mental health from one of the most creepily deranged people on this site. And that's you in both cases.

Also, there's this:

https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7681…

It's weird that you insist on inflicting yourself into every thread with your own kooky off-topic agenda items, but treat any thread that is relevant to you as if it's invisible.

Yes SJG, a few karate chops and a crane kick are going to stop people intent on killing you. In fact, they're on their way, tearing through your privacy wall like bullets through tissue paper.

Oh wait. You're not interesting enough for anyone to go after.

The most deranged people on this site are the ones bragging about fucking hookers younger than their granddaughters. The ones Cumming in their pants. Married men addicted to prostitutes. Men too socially retarded to understand how to text. The extreme right wingers addicted to prostitutes.

^^^ icee did you forget you staged a faux suicide thread over a coke junkie stripper whore dumping you for a better source of coke.

Add that to your deranged list. Lulz.

I think Ishmael makes good points.

I’m sorry - but marshal arts? That’s a misspelling even Juice would be proud of!

So are we to make disability labels for those who are left handed, have red hair, or green eyes? And internment camp lapel tags too?

Every group considered deviant needs to have a distinctive lapel tag.

https://www.amazon.com/Pink-Triangle-Naz…

Talks about differences between a child and the parents. And as Solomon explains, by far the one which remains the most controversial is this claim of "Autism".

https://www.amazon.com/Far-Tree-Parents-…?

Look in the table of contents.

And Solomon lays out how the autism advocacy groups formed for one and only one purpose, so that parents could circle the wagons and defend themselves against Bruno Bettelheim.

While Bettelheim will always have some serious credibility problems, the most telling thing he said was that in the faces of the children he saw the same faces that he saw when he was interned in Dachau and in Bergen-Beltsen.

I look at the faces of children they put on Autism Aspergers Digest

https://www.fhautism.com/wp-content/uplo…

And I see the faces of the monkeys that Harry Harlow used in his maternal deprivation studies.

https://aavs.org/cms/assets/uploads/2014…

The entire Autism/Asperger's/Neurodiversity Hoax is just wanton cruelty. The practitioners should be prosecuted for Crimes Against Humanity, as it clearly falls within Nuremburg precedent.

SJG

https://youtu.be/j4PTf7LgsIE

How would you describe this then

When people have grown up in a state of persecution, anything is possible. And there is an entire industry which is always build a case to come very close to executing the supposedly autistic.

Decades ago I read a book about primitive societies and how they find their shaman. They look closely for children with mystical tendencies. When the find one, the first and most important step is to transfer their care to an adult shaman. It is what Bruno Bettelheim called a parentectomy. I feel that this is probably a life saving process.

This is what happens when a parent can use the idea of autism to stigmatize and infantilize a child, and use the child to give themselves an adult identity.

https://www.amazon.com/Act-Early-Against…

Jane Lytel is a frightening woman, and the hatred she and the husband feel towards their second son Leo, is intense.

SJG

Look at the video. You can't deny they need help

https://youtu.be/j4PTf7LgsIE

I’ve never heard that term

Muddy, I am not sure what you are referring to. You mean Neurodiversity or Neurodivergent? It is some persons who have gone along with the idea of Autism / Aspergers, who think that by promoting a term like that that they are advocating for themselves. They aren't. All they are doing is capitulating to the abusers.

ICEY, the last thing they need is "help". That is how the therapy system enables the parents to use them. What they need is liberation and vindication. Usually this will take either court authority, or a violent revolt.

Sometimes it gets even worse in families:
https://www.amazon.com/Fatal-Families-Dy…

SJG

Does anyone want to post something on-topic to this thread while SJG is building a birdhouse from Popsicle sticks during his morning group activity session?

In my view - someone who is neurodivergent going to a strip club could be a great experience - or it could go horribly wrong.

I know it sounds like this could provide a neurodivergent person with a positive sexual experience - and possibly be mind blowing - and that would be cool. I just think it’s important to have more control over the situation, in case things don’t go as planned.

Since strip club bouncers aren’t always considerate of folks who act differently, it would seem best for a neurodivergent person to always have a dedicated wingman.

Just my thoughts on the original topic posted.

Autism/Aspergers/Neurodivergence is a cruel hoax. It came out of the Eugenics Movement and the Nazi Party. You could call it Muchausens Syndrome by Proxy, except for the fact that now there are legions of Fix My Kid Doctors who specialize in it. It became popular in the 90's in the United States because of the dotcom boom and the expanding interest in computers, and also because instead of getting executed at Nuremburg, like some other Nazi doctors, Hans Asperger was able to hide his Nazi past and his papers were just getting translated into English.

It is primarily a phenomenon of the English Speaking world. France and the Spanish Speaking countries have never taken it seriously. These are Catholic Countries, so they are not as think with self-improvement teachers, recovery programs, and salvation churches. And as Catholic Countries, they are also Civil Law Countries. So it is just about impossible for anyone to disinherit one of their children. This seems to put some bounds on the degree of family scapegoating. The parents will be responsible in the end.

See, in the US the yellow pages are full of FixMyKid doctors and Troubled Teen Christian Summer Camps.

And when an adult realizes that something was not right, the will often start in the yellow pages looking for similar things, psychotherapists, salvation churches.

Well if you live in British Columbia, you don't have to do that. You still go to the yellow pages, but you start at the beginning, under attorneys. Like Trevor Todd in Vancouver
https://disinherited.com/family-estrange…

He will send someone to talk some sense into the senile-suicidals once. If they don't yield, he will file a suit under the Wills Variation Act. He will make sure that the senile-suicidals do not have the last word and that you do not get disinherited.

SJG

It depends on how highly functioning someone is. Even then day shift would be their best bet. And they shouldn't go alone.

I also think they'd require some previous sexual excitement or at least have an understanding of what their body feels. Otherwise it could be a very confusing sensory overload.

Also the dancer should be made aware of their condition. And perhaps the manager.

LMFAO I think this thread quickly turned into a meta self troll by neurodivergents. Not saying it's everyone, and it's self evident in their posts. 😂

I don't see how going to a strip club matters. A neurodivergent will struggle with it no differently than anything else they do in a social situation.

If someone wants to go to the strip club, they should go.

If you are being asked to give advice, look to what other places they may have gone and what they thought of it. Not everyone likes loud music, flashing lights, crowds, or drunks.

But not all strip clubs are the same, and not the same at all open hours.

Find out what they are expecting to find, and then maybe you can steer them in the right direction.

SJG

“Without help autistic people end up in poverty on ssdi unable to make real connections with others and the risk of homelessness as adults. “

Or, they become billionaire founders of tech companies

How many self made billionaires with untreated autism?

Right wing drivel

Id worry about the disabled person being taken advantage of or causing a scene and getting into trouble. Doing something anti-social to a dancer. I feel like those visits need to be planned out.

Yes, yes, I know. The entire world is comprised of two groups of people. Fascist, bigoted, right wing extremists and their victims. No one is capable of caring for themselves. A government program, led by the enlightened elite, is necessary for survival. Anyone who has accomplished anything in life did it by stealing from the woke.

It is criminal to allow people with autism to have the freedom to make life choices. We should institutionalize every one of them. After they’ve been vaccinated, of course !

Look at right boy. How many self made billionaires with untreated autism?


And yes supporting today's republican party makes you a bad person

Silicon Valley has one of the largest clusters of autistic children in the US. This is not an accident. If you were to remove all the Aspergers engineers from Silicon Valley its’ companies would collapse.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.womenof…

Elon Musk announced he was nuerodivergent earlier this year

Aspies are taking strippers to Mars y'all

WCG

Yes, there is definitely an industry which promotes the idea of Autism/Aspergers/Neurodiversity. But just because they say it's so doesn't make it so.

The idea of NeuroDiversity started here:

https://philosophy.ucsc.edu/SinclairDont…

And what he is saying really just amounts to saying:

"Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep instead for yourselves and for your children,
for indeed, the days are coming when people will say, 'Blessed are the barren, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed."

Sinclair was raised as female, but now presents as male. There is some enmity between he and his parents, and his essay reflects that.

But it does not go far enough. Today the idea of Neurodiversity just amounts to people who have accepted the Autism/Aspergers label, designing their own lapel tags, cutting the cloth with scissors, and sewing them to their clothes.

Then presumably they will wait for the signs to go up, then assemble at the rail station in neat lines, and wait while the livestock cars are moved into position. And then board in an orderly and obedient manner.

And of course they will be grateful for the chance to perform work which is useful to society.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Czech…

And then when they learn that a new crew is coming and that they should go to the showers, they will respectfully lie down on the floor in nice neat rows and wait for the Zyklon B.

You think it will not be like this? It is like this already.

SJG

^^^^^ If Musk really said that he is ~~NeuroDivergent~~ then he is contributing to a hoax and he is contributing to the abuse of children and adults.


SJG

Mexico City
http://doxyspotting.com/mexican-street-p…

Erik Satie: Gymnopédies & Gnossiennes (Full Album)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pyhBJzu…

Mark are autistic kids self made billionaires?

ICEE, most of the time kids that are being targeted with this Autism/Aspergers/Neurodivergence label would benefit most from Martial Arts and Military Commando Training.

It is unfortunate that Musk does not no better than to perpetuate the hoax.

Someone did the work to unravel the truth:
https://www.amazon.com/Constructing-Auti…

SJG

The White Stripes - Jolene. Glastonbury 2002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX8piT5l…

They lack empathy. Even if they were highly functioning enough to go through training they'd kill someone in an autistic meltdown.


And people with aspergers can't communicate well enough or understand social cues. They don't process what others say lack empathy get lost in repetitive patterns of delusional thought. The last thing they need is to be trained for violence.

^^^^^ If someone is targeting them with the kinds of stuff you are, then they need to be trained in the use of violence.

SJG

They lack the ability to be trained unless very highly functioning and even then they'd lack the empathy and ability to comprehend social cues to safely use that training.

They'd end up attacking people during meltdowns

ICEE, your lack of reading comprehension amazes

Me: some billionaires are autistic

ICEE: prove to me that everyone with autism is a billionaire

Me: Many Silicon Valley engineers are autistic

ICEE: Children with autism aren’t billionaires

What percentage of alleged untreated autistic people become self made billionaires from computer engineering? You're full of it

Well, no one who is "treated" for ~Autism~ is ever going to do anything, because the whole purpose of such treatment is to convince them that they have some kind of a defect/difference.

Maybe not everyone will become a self made billionaire, but at least most could learn to stand up for themselves, like to stuff belligerents head first into steel garbage cans.

SJG

That's like reinforcing autistic meltdowns.

I don’t really care what you call it but there are a fair number of folks that have similar issues. The scale ranges from socially ocward to extremely shy to having trouble interacting an all the way yo can’t hardly function. These folks often share similar trades such as a tendency to have issues with some foods from a taste or texture perspective to having increasing level of trouble communicating. And so on and so forth.
At this point in History they are often referred to as Autistic or being on the spectrum (a reference to the extreme range of oh effected folks are by this). At one point Apsberger Syndrom (sp?). Was the preferred term. We are seeing NeroDivergent starting to be used more.
Does this mean we understand what is going on? Probably not. Frankly psychiatry is a long way from truly understanding anything much less this.
But that does not mean that there is not an issue. Just because mankind did not have our knowledge 1000 years ago did not mean that gravity didn’t exist and that atoms were non existent. You fell off a cliff a thousand years ago you still fell.
And just because we don’t understand why these people have issues does not mean they don’t have issues. In WW1 they knew nothing about PTSD but folks still suffered from it.
I know way to many people on various ends of this spectrum to just write it off as not existing.
But to the original point. It would all depend on the person in question. I have a few friends and coworkers who have kids that have problems with noice and light so if the person has that then stay far far away. But if the person is mostly just having relatively minor social issues that is a bit different.
I am highly functional with most social issues nit understanding subltle clues and that kind of thing and I used to be a regular at the clubs. As the post far above said it can really help as in a club you don’t need to interpret “clues “ that I usually either miss or miss interpret.
But from the way the OP describes the person my guess is they would be a bad fit.

No ICEY, its simply stuffing bullies into trash cans. What they actually deserve is far worse.

MeNotYou, People who are being targeted with the Autism/Aspergers/Neurodivergence lapel tag, have been targeted their entire life. The conflict usually starts simply because the parents at some level find the child to be an embarrassment.

a frightening example:
https://www.amazon.com/Act-Early-Against…

So of course this should be settled in a law court. And it all falls within Nuremburg Precedent, bogus medical procedures, for Crimes Against Humanity. The Autism Advocacy groups are just formations of parents trying to defend themselves against Bruno Bettelheim.

It also violates the UN Convention of the Rights of the Child, as bogus labeling and persecution. Not sure if this is ratified by the Senate yet, but in the US, once such a treaty is ratified, it has the force of federal law. Anyone can then sue an individual, an institution, or the government, for violation.

But in the interim, I suggest Commando Training by US Special Forces.

SJG

Wow, okay that was quite the navigation through this dumpster fire of a thread. So all I’ll say is welcome to the discussion board, @menotyou2 and that was a really thoughtful answer. I agree that psychiatry is a field still in a baby stage.

I am not autistic myself (and I was tested for it at a young age) but I did have delayed speech and didn’t say my first word until I was 3 years old. And had to do speech therapy until I think I was like 8 years old because my brain worked way faster than my mouth and had a hard time communicating. I was later diagnosed adhd, which counts me in with the neurodivergent label. Idk how that affects me in a club, but I notice I tend to either like the busiest wanna dance no conversation shifts, or the low energy of a dayshift and not much in between. I can either handle a loud stimulating environment or carry a conversation, but doing both at the same time is ick. So I guess I’d be considered a mild case

Might it interest you people to know that decades ago, for a little while, I had an Autistic Girl Friend!

At that time I really did not think much about this. I did not challenge the classification. But today I do have to clarify, she was someone who accepted the label of Autism.

At that time I had thought that those with Autism did not speak at all.

At that time Autism was not yet an industry in the English speaking world. We did not have the dotcom boom and a massive interest in computers. And although Hans Asperger had signed to have thousands of children euthanized, he had been able to hide his Nazi past and so he evaded the hanging that befell doctors like Karl Brandt.

This girl was just as talkative and just as communicative as anyone else.

She was at a huge disadvantage in life though just because she was living in an institution.

If her parents were living, or if any of her relatives were living, they had to have had a role in this.

And even if you were to say that the institution was maybe something like an English boarding school, it was still a place where she was being told that she had a defect/disorder.

Today they would say it was a difference. But that still means exactly the same thing, its just that some have decided they want to make their own internment camp lapel tags.

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-pink-t…

So everyday, she was being told that with the help of her therapists, she can be made passably acceptable to most people most of the time.

And this had to have been a recapitulation of what her parents had told her.

What was she like, what did I think of her? Well she was just like any other girl. I will say though that she had no guile, she was always just right out there, heart on her sleeve you could say.

With no bombshell hair, no makeup, no jewelry, no tight or revealing clothes, no high heels, and no guile, I don't think she would last long in adolescent girl culture. She lived in an institution, so she was not really in charge of her own affairs, and then she was being told that there was something wrong with her.

When I saw,
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377092/

I did think of her. What was it, a girl who had lived the last 10 years with her parents doing something in rural Africa. Then coming into an affluent predominantly White high school in the greater Los Angels area.

Eventually I did decide that I might be taking advantage of her, and so that I should pull back and not try to get involved in her life or her affairs.

But I emphasize again, there was nothing wrong with her, there was no reason she should be labeled as being somehow different, it was just persecution of the kind we had seen from the Nazi Eugenics Movement.

There is no such thing as Autism/Aspergers/Neurodivergence, but if you want to see the sort of person who is likely to be so targetted, look to the boy Simon in Lord of the Flies, he has definite shamanistic tendencies, and he is the first to be killed by Jack and his pig hunters.

SJG

Hawaii Five-O 1968 - 1980 Opening and Closing Theme HD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpxJsy8n…

Superfly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJkjVfOc…

I did not think of this at the time, but this girl did have strabismus in her left eye.

This girl in this picture could be her:

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So especially for a girl, I think people would relate to her differently.

When I first took notice of her, she was sitting on a large rock, maybe about 40' directly in front of me. So I saw this and accommodated myself to it. She never had to see in me a negative reaction.

I approached, we talked, eventually I sat down next to her, and soon we had our first makeout session.

SJG

Picture, this girl has longer hair and is probably a bit younger, but otherwise she could be her.
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=8558

I eventually decided that I should pull back and not get involved with her. I did not think I should come between she and those who ran the institution she lived in. If I was trying to see her, this would have been inevitable. Also I noticed that I had been able to get to her without any of the car keys and wallet types of rituals, without being pressed to have to demonstrate my own peer culture status. This is fine, but I could see that it had gone like this because she was institutionalized and she was at a social disadvantage compared to her age peers.

SJG

Yeah, I'm the one who says wanna dance within 20 seconds when she rolls up. I only like the convo I may get with a dancer when she sees I don't feel entitled to it.

SJG's wall of privacy sucks.

https://www.gocomics.com/cathy/1976/11/2…

I thought about this last night, my ~~Autistic GF~~ she was exactly like in the Cathy Cartoon. Exactly the same temperament.

One time I turned on the television and Johnny Carson was interviewing this woman. I had no idea who she was. I listened and then finally I said, she must be the one who draws Cathy.

No Carson was making this into a broad based generally mockery of women. I said, the Cartoon is not really like that. That is just Carson. The Cartoon is self effacing, but only mildly so. Carson is mean, but the Cartoon and the author are not.

Then they called her by name "Cathy".


The total opposite of these Veruca Salt girls, but then they have had a completely different sort of life experience.
Veruca Salt, Live, played really fast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-hBbQse…

SJG

I like those Russian Girls, Pussy Riot.

https://www.newsweek.com/pussy-riots-sta…

Veruca Salt is the same sort of thing, a rehearsed act, a kind of an alter ego. Most people can benefit by developing such things. This is why we have theater acting and fantasy role playing games.

Lots of girls are just like Cathy. Thinking about it, I've known quite a few.

We used to say that people who are left handed were possessed by the Devil.

If we said that they were the Devil, then that is like ~~Neurological Disorder~~. But if we just say they are possessed by the Devil, then that is like ~~Neurological Difference~~. More likely then that they will go along with it, which is the real purpose of the assessment and treatment. So always, with the help of your therapist you can be made passably acceptable most of the time. And always it is looking to find the locus of evil, the locus of original sin, in a child.

My ~~Autistic GF~~, she lived in an institution. This was her primary social disadvantage. Maybe it was no worse than an English boarding school. But if her parents were living, they must have been complicit in it. If not, then it was other living relatives who could have interceded.

And then strabismus in the left eye.

https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=8558

No one knows why most people are right handed. Could it be like that, is strabismus usually in the left eye, I don't know. But thinking about it, I have seen other such cases.

Especially for a girl, people will respond to her differently because of that. The reason that I didn't was that when I first noticed her she was seated 40' away and I took the time to accommodate myself to that before I approached her. Then in not too much more time we were having our first makeout session.

SJG

It was about 2 years ago that I encountered another girl with strabismus in the left eye. I was visiting one of our colleges. This girl sitting at a computer asked, "Could you help me". I knew that this was probably a flirting invitation, and that was not what I was there for, and the girl looked young enough that it might not look well. But I decided just to be a good sport about it, and so I approached her. Then she turned so that I could see her entire face. I guess I must have reacted somehow, as her countenance changed. I never did hear what she wanted help with. She just said, "Can you leave me? .... I don't need your help."

It all left me rather rattled. But I could see what had happened, a rather young and inexperienced girl, learning to test how people respond to her face. Sitting at the machine looking straight ahead. Seeing me off the starboard bow and calling out to me. Then watching how I would react when I saw her full face.

It had not been like this with the ~~~AUTISTIC GF~~~ as I had spotted her from 40' away and reconciled myself to her face before I approached.

With this girl in front of the computer it did make me think of the ~~~AUTISTIC~~~ girl. Especially for a girl, people really will react to her face.

And then what is this Neurodiversity Neurodivergence idea, if not people who have decided that it is easier to ask for pity than to stand up for themselves? They don't want to indict their parents and to have to face what is really going on. So they swallow a lie.

There is not one scintilla evidence that any such neurological difference exists. And it is just about impossible that anyone ever will have such evidence. It is just a resurgence of the Eugenics Movement in support of NeoLiberal Capitalism.

So Nicespice, I assume that you are the one designing the Neurodivergence Lapel Tag. Let us see it, as we should start ordering rolls of cloth in the right color, so that people can use scissors to cut out their tags and then sew them to their clothes.

SJG

Herb Alpert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuByWtxx…

Maggie May
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6PrldsI…

On a somewhat related note, how many SJG threads does everyone have blocked? My number right now is 26 and keeps climbing because this fucker keeps bumping more and more of his own shit.

^^^ Roughly the same.

With the ~~Autistic~~ GF, she was someone very similar to the Cartoon Cathy. Nothing odd about her, except for the fact that she lived in an institution.

So usually when approaching a girl, she will want some demonstration of peer culture status, currency.

I am not saying this right, but that is how it is with young people. But as this girl had none, I did not have to show any.

So I was able to get to her very easy.

But I could see that there were other people behind her controlling her affairs. I did not wish to come into conflict with them.

You know when you are growing up, going to school, there will be a few kids that you cannot connect to, cause they come from unusual families, ones with strange rules. You cannot challenge the parents, and you cannot try to peel the kid away from the parents. All you can do is back off.

Well it was like this with her. I did not really get into this with her, but she had been made to believe that she had this condition, ~~AUTISM~~.

So if I wanted to engage with her, I would have to wait until such time that she decides to get out of the institution and dump the nonsense.

Otherwise, best just to stand away.

Someone had stuck a lapel pin on her and tattooed a serial number onto her arm. Until such time that she was ready to reject these things, better for me to keep back.

SJG

I think of another situation. When I was in my 4th year of high school, a new student came in, in his 1st year. Let me call him C.

Now people were teasing C. mercilessly. It was non-stop. And some even proclaimed a hitting contest on him and were keeping score on the black board.

Now if the school district shrinks got hold of C., that would have been horrible. They would have found something about him which somehow rationalized this.

Maybe not ~Autism~ back then, but they would have come up with something.

I was friends with C.'s older brother.

Their parents could have gone to the yellow pages and looked under psychotherapists. They would have found someway to put it on C., but not to disclose that to the school district.

C.'s parents could have done this, but they did not. They were not that kind of family. They had no interest in finding the locus of original sin in either of their boys.

So instead they did go to the yellow pages, but they started in the beginning, under Attorneys. Soon every member of the School Board received a letter on the attorney's stationary informing them that what was happening was illegal, and that especially with this scoreboard, there was no deniability. And then he let them know that if he had to communicate about this again, it will be delivered by a process server.

WOW! All these teachers who were impotent to do anything about it, now they were all eyes everywhere at the same time.

Sure, each of the bullies was given a talking to, and I think one day suspension. But the high school boys never really were the problem. It was the teachers. "Boys will be boys", "C. has to learn to defend himself", "C. Shouldn't be so sensitive." Well that letter from the attorney put an end to that.

The teacher who told us about the letter from the attorney should not have done so. That should have remained private. But as he did, I will forever be impressed with C.'s parents.

SJG

TJ HK Bar Gallery
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=8595

Modern Jazz Quartet - Concert in Jazz (full album) HQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2gL8Zs4…

Act Early Against Autism: Give Your Child a Fighting Chance from the Start
https://www.amazon.com/Act-Early-Against…

Jayne Lytel, driving her son Leo to doctors and to special schools. And how is it that her life came to revolve around this?

Well, the hatred Lytel and her husband feel about their younger son Leo is intense.

Now you know, sand is kind of neat, and wet sand all the more so. So often at inland lakes they will go to great expense to truck sand in.

So Leo, about 1 1/2 years old, had never seen sand before. His father took him to an inland lake park. Might have been the first time Leo and his father had been alone together.

Leo could not ignore the sand. He kept picking the wet sand up and letting it dribble through his fingers. And then he would press his forehead into it.

The father was freaking out, and checking all around for who might be watching.

He kept picking Leo up off of the sand and putting him down elsewhere, in the hope that he would stop.

I guess he never considered that he could do exactly the same thing, get down on all fours, pick up some sand in a hand, and press his forehead into it.

No, Lytel and the husband are dotcom super yuppies, they measure up to all social expectations, they promote the New Economy.

So soon the ritual would begin, driving Leo to doctors and special teachers.

And it is like Bruno Bettelheim said about such mothers, she will present herself as a saint and martyr. Bettelheim will always have credibility problems. But about this, Munchausen's Syndrome By Proxy, I say he was right.

And so where first? Well the Autism Industry promotes these "Autism Narratives", first person accounts, "I have Autism", "I cannot do this and that", when the book itself shows that none of these claims could possibly be true.

So it starts at the Yale Lab, where so many of these assessments come from.

The Eugenics Movement was not just people like Karl Brandt in Germany and Hans Asperger in Austria. It was an international movement. And the American eugenicists kept up cordial correspondence with the German counter parts for well into the 1930's. It was one such Eugenics Movement leader who founded that Yale Lab.


Science and the Swastika
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQAdwjYc…

SJG

Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Free For All (1964) {Full Album}
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBH-6CJY…

With the Autistic GF, I never wanted to tangle with the people who ran her institution. So I pulled back, decided that it would be better not to deal with them. I also decided that it was not really right for me to be involved with her either.

I mean sure, they get paychecks. But even then I knew that they would be people who had more attachment to it than that.

Lynn Kern Koegel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS1Hyn2X…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYQ0R6pS…

Every nonconforming group needs to have its own lapel tag. But some shapes and colors have already been taken.
https://www.amazon.com/Pink-Triangle-Naz…

As soon as Nicespice tells us the color, we will order the rolls of cloth. We will order matching thread too.

from play by Abby Mann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HP1oiEh…

SJG

Can we hire Trump to (re)build your privacy wall? Because the one you've got sucks.

Even with all the "advances" in knowledge and treatment, mental health is still a 'black & white" issue to a lot of people. A lot of times it gets to the point of "I would have been so much happier if I was born retarded" and I mean like "full retard". That's how fucked up it is.

A lot of people here have undiagnosed mental illness you can definitely tell

Mental Illness is a Myth, Autism/Aspergers/Neurodivergence are a Hoax.

In France someone who aids oppressors is called a collaborator. We have a different history, so they are called Uncle Toms.

SJG

Heir, Hunter, Field
from play by Abby Mann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQltcMFi…

https://www.amazon.com/Constructing-Auti…

https://www.amazon.com/Aspergers-Childre…

Hitler's Biological Soldiers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQAdwjYc…

tell us the color nicespice, we want to make a good impression on our Masters.

https://www.nationalsewingcircle.com/vid…

We'll wind some of the thread on to bobbins, so we can make nice small zig zag machine stitches.

SJG

When I was in elementary school, we saw some of this material on 16mm. Some of it really disturbed me.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL…

15 years later, not remembering any names, just that it was done at U Wisconsin Madison, I turned to those old green Reader's Guide books. Soon I had found something in Scientific American which looked like it was it. So I went to the microfilm drawers, found the film, threaded in into the machine, and yes, that was it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harl…

https://www.verywellmind.com/harry-harlo…

Love at Goon Park: Harry Harlow and the Science of Affection
https://www.amazon.com/Love-Goon-Park-Sc…

http://users.rcn.com/napier.interport/cw…

Harlow seems to have gotten the ideas for this, from work done with baby rats at Stanford, done under the supervision of Frederick Terman. I think most of the rats died.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/autho…

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic…

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic…

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/psy…

SJG

What does sewing have to do with mental illness?

There is no such thing as ~~Mental Illness~~

But non-conforming groups are to have their own lapel tags sewn on. It helps in isolating them and in eventual interment and euthanizing, like the thousands of children Hans Asperger had euthanized.

https://www.amazon.com/Pink-Triangle-Naz…

Nicespice is designing the tag. Once she tells us the color we will order the cloth and thread.

SJG

@nicespice in retrospect you should have named this thread "Posting to TUSCL while neurodivergent". 😂

Nicespice has had to hide her own discussion thread because some creepy prickstain from San Jose decided to hijack it.

LOL she trolled herself. 🤣🤣🤣

If mental gymnastics was an Olympic sport, san_jose_creep would win the gold medal every time. 🤸🤸🤸

His entire existence has become an excuse for his own inner demons. He comes to TUSCL to post and continue to reaffirm and literally read his own defense mechanisms so he can sustain them. He failed at marriage therefore the institution of marriage itself is at fault. He fails to seduce civilian women therefore they are just not sexually predisposed. He has mental issues therefore mental illness is a myth. Everyday (except Sunday when the public library is closed and he can't get free internet there) it's the same routine. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. All of this is both exacerbated and ultimately because he is...wait for it...a neurodivergent...🤯

SirCircleJerkalot, just so long as you don't try to tie your own shoes again, just let your wife do it.


A well written book, POV's from many authors. Shows what should be obvious, that the whole idea of Autism/Aspergers/NeuroDivergence is nonsense.

https://www.amazon.com/Re-Thinking-Autis…

SJG

How did you meet and date a girl in a psychiatric institution?


I've fucked girls on meds for add and depression. Never again...they get psychotically attached.

^^^^^ WTH, who is that directed at?

SJG

You. You said you dated an institutionalized autistic girl

I did not meet her at the institution. But yes, and she was no different from anyone else, just zero guile.

She was at a huge social disadvantage, because she was caught in the institution.

I pulled back, because it just did not seem right. But I now see that it was really her parents or other living relatives, and the emerging Autism Industry who were to blame. She need to come to see this for herself, and then get the fuck out.

SJG

@san_jose_creep my wife takes great care of me and would tie my shoes in a heartbeat. Thanks for the advice but she's already got me covered.

What do you do on Sundays when the library is closed and you can't post to TUSCL? Do you have any rituals that get you through the day? Do you have a pretend keyboard and monitor to help? 🤪

A lot of institutions are just money mills milking Medicare and insurance companies while offering wub par care.

Family puts them there because they don't want to take care of them. Hence why so many end up on the streets.

SirCircleJerk, you are beyond the point where even quick lime would help. A 2800 deg F cremation in an open hearth furnace is about the only way to do anything for you.

The Autism/Asperger/Neurodivergence label clearly falls with in Nuremberg Precedent as a bogus medical label, being used in an organized way to persecute a vulnerable group. It is all Josef Mengele territory. Prosecutable as War Crimes and as Crimes Against Humanity.

SJG

What if someone came up with a simple “cure” for Autism. One shot, and you were suddenly normal.

Who should take that shot ? The severely autistic ? High functioning autistic s ? Should the shot be mandated for some ? Would the benefit outweigh the cost losing the next generation of Einstein’s, Musks, Ben Franklins, and Thomas Jefferson’s ?

It is unfortunate that Musk is going along with the hoax. His doing so will contribute to the abuse of more children and adults.

Einstein, Franklin, and Jefferson were never asked to do this.

We are still waiting for Nicespice to tell us her design for the Neurodivergence Lapel Tag. When she tells the color, we will order cloth and matching thread.

https://www.amazon.com/Aspergers-Childre…

Hans Asperger signed for 1000's of children to be euthanized. Had he not been able to hide his involvement with the Nazi's, he may well have been executed.

https://tidsskriftet.no/en/2019/05/essay…

Can't find any biological markers:
Autism, do labels and diagnoses help or hinder? - Professor Sami Timimi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzL9sAJm…

At the tender age of 15, Claude Berr recognized that you don't appease oppressors by wearing a lapel tag:

1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zdzf5aQ…

2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hgU3wvQ…

3, the yellow star
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwrMQckH…

SJG

Mark you sound creepy as fuck. That's like primitive trives viewing retardation As a gift so they think the retarded have special powers.

A cure would give the autistic a normal life

@san_jose_creep LMAO do you realize that the more you post here, the more that you actually prove that you suffer from autism? You denying it over and over (and over and over) is actually an example of it and that you are trying so hard to stay in denial about it. You've made your same point multiple times now but you still can't stop. Compulsive much? 🤣🤣🤣

ICEY, there is no such thing as Autism. So the only impediment to a so called "normal life" is in the history and continuance of abuse and persecution, and the fact that there has yet to be any legal redress.

The entire Autism industry clearly falls within Nuremberg Precedents for Crimes Against Humanity, and it also clearly violates the 1989 UN Convention of Rights of the Child.

If you still think there is some basis to it, read:
https://www.amazon.com/Dominique-analysi…

1973 book, but the final session with Dominique was 1960. Though the Spanish Civil War was over 20 years, Franco executed someone. Also, Dominique may have just seen some preview clips to "The Longest Day", as he kept intoning the motif.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFzdleJa…

SJG

The Beatles - Paperback Writer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYvkICbT…

If there's no autism explain this behavior

https://youtu.be/j4PTf7LgsIE

Explain this behavior

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znBa3lap…

And ICEY, you are proving my point. If someone is being subjected to this Neurodivergence label, then they must follow the example of Claude Berr and obtain military commando training.

The Autism/Asperger's industry is just Mommy Guilt.

SJG

You want autistic people to be taught to kill?

If they are being targeted with such a bogus label, then yes, they need to teach themselves to kill.

No different from Claude Berr, facing the prospect of wearing the yellow star.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zdzf5aQ…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hgU3wvQ…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwrMQckH…

The Autism industry operated because it is able to turn people into pity seekers.

SJG

If people fought back, the Autism Industry would collapse and the responsible parties would be held accountable. More often than not it is starting with the parents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evJ-XVrI…

SJG

Come on... where do you get your info?

There's no such thing as autism but those labeled as such should kill those who label and treat them

Covid 19 is a conspiracy to deny us universal Healthcare

The progressives are against covid measures the conservatives for.

Hookers aren't fucking for money and a gfe is a girlfriend audition.


Where do you get all this?

The Neurodivergent

vs

The Neurotic

(🤪🤪🤪)

Icee said "Come on... where do you get your info?"

His own incredibly broken and creepy mind. And if you haven't gotten that by now then you're not paying attention.

Cim I think there's more to it

^ Severe, untreated schizophrenia.

The simplest answer to a problem is usually correct.

Q) What is the difference between a neurotic, a psychotic, and a psychiatrist ?
A) A neurotic builds castles in the air, a psychotic lives in them, and a psyciatrist collects the rent!

A former friend is a youth pastor. They believe schizophrenics are angels and would lure homeless ones to their church and pray around them thinking they were touched by the holy spirit. Its sick.

Icey yes, that kind of a church, as it with all salvation churches, is really sick.

I helped put someone from such a church into San Quentin, for molesting his three daughters. And his entire church was behind him.

But the Nazi Eugenics Movement is also sick.

SJG

Sirlapdancealot acts the most autistic on here

^^^ lmao yeah you would know coz you read my posts when you have me on pretend ignore.

I just troll trolls and you get so butthurt about it. Lulz.

I'm on the spectrum, and there's a lot that goes on at clubs that I don't understand: like how to figure out when a girl is offering extras or when she's going to get upset/weird if I ask. But at least it's transactional and there are mostly clear rules. I don't know how to break the rules like many of you all do, but as long as I'm okay sticking with stuff within the rules, clubs are great and I don't have to worry about whether a girl is being nice because she's interested or because she feels sorry for me: they're just doing their jobs at the club, and that's easy to understand.

Wendy Thomas Russell

https://www.amazon.com/ParentShift-Unive…

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/c…

News Hour
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/can-un…

SJG

Robin Trower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uPaN955…

Emily Oster
https://www.amazon.com/Family-Firm-Data-…

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/can-un…

SJG

Wendy Thomas Russell
https://www.amazon.com/ParentShift-Unive…

http://www.wendythomasrussell.com/

http://www.wendythomasrussell.com/blog/2…

http://www.wendythomasrussell.com/books

http://www.wendythomasrussell.com/clips

http://www.wendythomasrussell.com/blog/2…

SJG

I know a court case where an autistic man who refuses help was given a 24 hour notice to vacate after a judge who doesn't believe in mental illness covid nor social justice accused him of fraudulently attempt to circumvent the system for not knowing how to apply for rental assistance.

Thats the reality of mental illness denial.

Courts and cops have to deal with people who defy the system and the law all the time.

The Autism / Mental Illness argument ads nothing.

If someone is being targeted with the Autism / Mental Illness idea, then they need military commando training so that they will be able to defend themselves with lethal violence.

And usually it is starting from the family, and from supportive white coats.

SJG

Some families take the view, "You will comply with all social expectations, otherwise you have something wrong with you", and they find doctors who follow a business model based on backing them up. But not everyone is like this. I do not fully agree with the gifted movement, but it is all very interesting. In the last 18 months I have read a lot of their stuff.

Raising Cain: Protecting the Emotional Life of Boys Paperback
https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Cain-Prot…

SJG

Strip Club Girl Kissing
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=1457

The origin of (non-extras) lap dancing?
front room kissing in strip clubs
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7713…

TJ Street
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=1139
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=1131
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=8868

Real Boys
Rescuing Our Sons From the Myths of Boyhood
Pollack, William S. (1998)

SJG

My own thinking though probably goes along more with the Post Human and Trans Human movements.

Edge City
Life on the New Frontier
by Garreau, Joel

SJG

Beyond Terman : contemporary longitudinal studies of giftedness and talent / edited by Rena F. Subotnik and Karen D. Arnold. Norwood, N.J. : Ablex Pub. Corp., [1994]

includes: Achievement of eminence: a longitudinal study of exceptionally gifted boys and their families / Robert S. Albert.

Theories of creativity / edited by Mark A. Runco, Robert S. Albert (1990)

Genius and eminence / edited by Robert S. Albert. (1992)

Raising Cain : protecting the emotional life of boys / Dan Kindlon, Michael Thompson with Teresa Barker. (2000)
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SJG

MistressViolet, understands the importance of high heels and makeup
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=2594

Hollingworth, Leta Stetter, 1886-1939. Children above 180 IQ, Stanford-Binet; origin and development / by Leta S. Hollingsworth. (1942)

She is the counter voice to the Terman Study.

Dąbrowski, Kazimierz
Title Positive disintegration / Edited, with an introd., by Jason Aronson (1964)
Polish Psychiatrists very highly regarded in Gifted Movement.


Mental growth through positive disintegration, by Kazimierz Dabrowski with Andrzej Kawczak and Michael M. Piechowski. (1970)

Bullies & victims : helping your child survive the schoolyard battlefield / SuEllen Fried and Paula Fried. (1996)

SJG

https://www.joom.com/en/products/5d269d6…

https://www.joom.com/en/products/609d193…

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1082770146/…

https://www.yandy.com/collections/crotch…

3 colors
https://www.dhgate.com/product/perspecti…

https://www.ebay.com/itm/402609888563?mk…

https://www.spicylingerie.com/ey-w6706ab…

https://www.yandy.com/collections/crotch…

https://www.yandy.com/collections/crotch…

https://www.yandy.com/collections/crotch…

The Social importance of self-esteem / edited by Andrew M. Mecca, Neil J. Smelser, and John Vasconcellos. (1989)
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Genius denied : how to stop wasting our brightest young minds / Jan and Bob Davidson with Laura Vanderkam. (2005)
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Gowan J. C.
Operations of increasing order and other essays on exotic factors of intellect, unusual powers and abilities, etc. (as found in psychic science) ... / John Curtis Gowan

SJG

French Maid
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=8979

Iris Renee
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=4907
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=7137
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=6881
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=7473

MistressViolet
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=2594

So NICESPICE and ICEY, you two are supposed to be designing the Neurodivergence Lapel Tag. Where is it? Need to know so we can order the right colored cloth and the matching thread. This will impress our Masters.

You know what would also impress them, getting our own rolls of razor wire and setting up our own internment camp.

I don't totally go along with the Gifted Movement, but I know that it is a much more fruitful response to the same things that the ~Autism/Aspergers/Neurodivergence~ hoax is based on.

Some parents have a need to find the locus of Original Sin in their child.

So:

Raising Cain : protecting the emotional life of boys / Dan Kindlon, Michael Thompson with Teresa Barker. (2000)

https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Cain-Prot…

see table of contents:
https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Cain-Prot…


SJG

The Way Life Should Be
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=9003

Icey and Nicespice, maybe you two think going right now to a neurodivergence interment camp tag is going to far too fast. So how about a big rubber stamp for kid's school records, to be stamped in red, right on the front page, "NEURODIVERGENT".

It could be stamped right on as soon as they enter kindergarten.

There could even be a "Suspected Neurodivergent" stamp. So when the child is first registered for school, the school secretary could stamp that. Maybe its because of something a parent said, or maybe its just because of her own impression of the child.

Raising Cain
Protecting the Emotional Life of Boys
by Dan Kindlon and Michael Thompson
(1999)

from the back of the book:
"... make a compelling case that emotional literacy is the most valuable gift we can offer our sons, urging parents to recognize the price boys pay when we hold them to an impossible standard of manhood."

This the paper back edition. Turns out that the hard cover edition had come out just 12 days before the Columbine tragedy. "National statistics clearly show that school violence nationwide is actually down, and many school administrators in poor urban neighborhoods were dismayed by the amount of attention given to violent incidents in suburban schools following decades of bloodshed in their own schools."

This has been the vantage point I have brought to these incidents, showing that are always in place which otherwise have a very low violence rate. Lots of other places have more violence, more kids with criminal records, and more guns in the schools.

And also, Ralph Larkin, having done some of the best writing on Columbine, has been the one who has written in a similar vein on Elliot Rodger.

SJG

Led Zeppelin, Danish TV (really good)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-WSbMW7…

^^^ SJG is neurodivergent!

Not sure if I go along with the above two authors, but they do seem to go along way towards addressing these boy violences like in schools. For every such incident, there are 10,000 more cases of boys suffering in silence.

Dan Kindlon

yeah, he has other books
https://www.amazon.com/Daniel-J.-Kindlon…

Michael Thompson

also
https://www.amazon.com/Michael-Thompson/…

But again, not sure if I am really going to agree with these two.

SJG

https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=9084

Raising Cain: Protecting the Emotional Life of Boys
by Dan Kindlon and Michael Thompson (2000)

https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Cain-Prot…

I am making my way through this. It is interesting and well worth the time to read it. It is very thought provoking. I still have not decided entirely what I think about it. I suspect that the views of these authors are too conservative, trying to bolster middle-class norms. But no matter, still well worth reading for the understanding.

They liken it to something I have long wanted to read, because I am absolutely fascinated by Hamlet.

Reviving Ophelia 25th Anniversary Edition: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls
Mary Pipher PhD (Author), Sara Gilliam (Author)
https://www.amazon.com/Reviving-Ophelia-…

And it is not just Ophelia and Hamlet, it is also Laertes. An entire generation is wiped out because of the lies and duplicity of the parents.
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I know about Raising Cain because it is mentioned repeatedly in the literature of the Gifted Movement. But this book is really not part of that movement.

I see the Gifted Movement as a counter voice to the Autism / Aspergers / Neurodivergence Hoax. In the Gifted Families uniqueness is celebrated and the parents advocate for their children and get programs which will allow their child to learn something new and challenging every single day.

In the Autism / Aspergers / Neurodivergence families, compliance with social norms is paramount. And so the parents hand the children to programs where they are told that they have a difference, and that that explains everything, as they are handed over to White Coats and pressed to accept their delegitimated status.

Icey and Nicespice are going to design the Neurodivergence Internment Camp Lapel Tag, and they are designing the Neurodivergence rubber stamp which can be stamped in red ink on the front page of a child's school records.

SJG

Raising Cain is too conservative of a book, reinforcing gender and middle-class norms. And then what would you expect from counselors at private schools. Certainly they are not going to be criticizing the parents, or otherwise saying things which alarm the parents.

They invoke Geoffrey Canada, and I have read some of his stuff before. He is good.

Geoffrey Canada
https://www.amazon.com/Geoffrey-Canada/e…

Reaching up for manhood : transforming the lives of boys in America / Geoffrey Canada (1998)
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The Ethical Slut, Third Edition: A Practical Guide to Polyamory, Open Relationships, and Other Freedoms in Sex and Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVCWaWFm…


SJG

Peter Frampton - Do You Feel Like We Do (Live in Detroit) w/ Bob Mayo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVCWaWFm…

Seven Nation Army
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKdmdCtP…

Hot Pants
https://www.wickedtemptations.com/standa…

Ill keep it succinct. Im probably aspergers ish. Going to strip clubs was part of my strategy to change my scarcity mindset after divorce. I think it was effective. And probably more cost effective than therapy for sure.

Autism / Asperger's / Neurodivergence is a hoax which came out of the Nazi Eugenics Movement. It lives on today because it is convenient for the Neo-Liberal paradigm where everyone is supposed to be advancing themselves in the market economy. It is that and this idea that this so called "Neurological Difference" gives one some special ad aptitude with computers.

Most of the time it is parents who want to find the locus of original sin within their child.

https://www.amazon.com/Constructing-Auti…

And we hear that Elon Musk now says that he has Asperger's Syndrome.

Well being someone who grew up in a country which practiced an Apartheid system which was derived from American's Jim Crow system, he ought to know better than to be trafficking in a concept originally developed in the Nazi Eugenics Movement which is used today to legitimate the abuse of children and adults.

SJG

Ann Wilson - Beware Of Darkness @ George Fest 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pphBiAY…


"Crossroads" - Eric Clapton, Sheryl Crow, John Mayer, Doyle Bramhall II, Robert Rundolph (Live 2008)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqeT7QCm…

Kleinfelter's syndrome a condition caused by an extra female chromosome (XXY), and effected boys have small genitalia and a testosterone deficiency. Clinicians who work with these boys report that they tend to be self-conscious because especially for those on the cusp of puberty who must shower together after gym class. penis size is a visible measure of manhood. These boys tend to get into trouble fighting, perhaps to protect themselves against the pain of this shame and perhaps in part to validate their manliness.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelte…

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This Boy's Life, Tobias Wolff, with Leonardo DiCaprio. (1993)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108330/?re…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Boy%2…

https://www.amazon.com/This-Boys-Life-To…


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I would also like to draw attention to Basketball Diaries (1995), also with DiCaprio. Some super hottie twin girls in that.

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And then this is a very disturbing true story

Our guys : the Glen Ridge rape and the secret life of the perfect suburb / Bernard Lefkowitz
Lefkowitz, Bernard. (1997)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Ridge…

SJG

Peter Frampton - Do You Feel Like We Do - Live 2016, w/ Rob Arthur on keyboads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5PgG4ak…

GEORGE FEST - Norah Jones - SOMETHING @ Fonda 09-28-14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC42CJoB…

Genius Denied: How to Stop Wasting Our Brightest Young Minds
https://www.amazon.com/Genius-Denied-Was…

This is what I am going to read next. It is written by two who run a special school and they use a piece of the grounds of UN Reno.

They want documentary proof of IQ 145. That is the top 0.7 % of the population.

My Organization may have some similarity, to this and to Mensa. But we are not interested in IQ tests or in any other kind of standardized tests. Who ever wants to be one of us, can be.

We will of course be snatching up the very best of the young women.

Now anyone with an IQ greater than 105 is at risk of being rubber stamped as having Autism/Aspergers/Neurodiversity, and Nicespice are Icey are designing that rubber stamp.

For anyone being targeted as such I recommend martial arts training and military commando training.

SJG

The Gifted Movement is the counter part to the Autism/Aspergers/Neurodiversity Eugenics Hoax. It is the more reasonable approach. When one reads the autism narratives there is always a common feature, two extremely intelligent parents who do not recognize and honor their own intelligence. Instead they see their child as a problem and an embarrassment. Eventually the child internalizes this, so even if the parents aren't driving them to the doctor, the child will be driving themselves.

The counter view is found in the Gifted Movement. Though I'm sure I don't agree with all of it, the central ideas I do agree with, and I am working to learn more about it. It is simply the way it goes when people decide to honor their own intelligence and that of their child. It what happens when parents stand with their child, where as in the Autism/Aspergers/Neurodiversity families, the parents are exploiting their child.

The Gifted Movement predates the rise in NeoLiberalism in the 1990's which resurrected the Nazi Eugenics concept of Autism/Aspergers. The Gifted Movement and the Post-Human / Trans-Human movements are the reasonable alternatives.

Genius Denied, by Jan and Bob Davidson(2004)
These are the people who are running a special school which uses part of the U Nevada Reno campus. They require proof of an IQ of 145. If you believe in IQ and that it measures anything meaningful, and that the scale is calibrated correctly, than that would be the top 0.7% of the population.

FWIW, in the Organization which I am building we will not be using IQ tests or any other kinds of tests. But I want to read the above text and understand it.

Here I want to list some other references which I plan to avail myself of:

Real Boys: Rescuing your son from the myths of boyhood (1998)

Colangelo, N., Assouline, S. B. (2004), A nation deceived: How Schools hold back America's Brightest students, 2 volumes

R. Orstien (1991) The evolution of consciousness
The Origins of the way we think

John Vasconcelles, 1990, Toward a state of esteem.

Edelman, Gerald (2004) Wider than the sky: The Phenomenal Gift of Consciousness

Briggs, D. (1970) Your Child's Self-Esteem: The Key to His Life.

John Curtis Gowan ( taught at what would become CSU Northridge)
The education and guidance of the ablest / by John Curtis Gowan [and] George D. Demos. With a pref., by Charles Bish, and a foreword by E. Paul Torrance (1964, 511 pages)

The disadvantaged and potential dropout: compensatory educational programs : a book of readings / compiled and edited by John Curtis Gowan and George D. Demos (1966 624 pages)

Educating the ablest : a book of readings on the education of gifted children / edited by John Curtis Gowan and E. Paul Torrance. (1971 295 pages)

Operations of increasing order and other essays on exotic factors of intellect, unusual powers and abilities, etc. (as found in psychic science) ... / John Curtis Gowan (1980 384 pages)

The academically talented student and guidance / [by] John C. Gowan [and] Catherine B. Bruch. (1971 107 pages)

Tyre, P. (2004) The Trouble With Boys

Strang, R. The Psychology of Gifted Children (1965), Helping Your Gifted Child (1961)

Hollingsworth, L. S.

Klein, A. (2002) A forgotten voice: A biography of Leta Stetter Hollingworth

K. Dabrowski, Positive Disintegration and Pschoneurosis is not an illness (1972), Kazimierz Dabrowski (1902-1980)

Nelson, K. C. and Piechowski M. M. wrote about Dabrowski

Spiegel, J. P. the resolution of role conflict within the family, 1957 article.

Levy, D. M. Maternal Overprotection (1943)

Henri Bergson, Creative Evolution (1944)

R. M., Bucke, Cosmic Consiousness, 6th ed 1929

Louis Bulk?? 1926, The Causes of Evolution, Foetalization of the Ape

Dabrowski, K. and Piechowski, M. M. Theory of levels of Emotional Development, 2 volumes, 1977

SJG

^ continuing from above I want to chronicle a few more references:

Albert R. S. 1994, The Achievement of Eminence, in R. F. Subotinik and K. D. Arnold (eds) Beyond Terman: Contemporary Longitudinal Studies of Giftedness and Talent.
Beyond Terman: Contemporary Longitudinal Studies of Giftedness and Talent (Creativity Research)
by Rena F. Subotnik (Author), Karen D. Arnold (Author)
https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Terman-Con…
https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Terman-Con…

Yes, it lists the Robert S. Albert chapter, "The Achievement of Eminence..."

and we have some other Robert S. Albert materials:
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1987-9818…

Parents' Personality and the Creative Potential of Exceptionally Gifted Boys
https://www.researchgate.net/publication…

Title: The Creativity Research Handbook
Sub-title: Volume 2
Editor(s): Mark A. Runco
Publish Date: June 2012
Pages: 294
Format: Paper
http://www.hamptonpress.com/Merchant2/me…

Contents: Understanding Organizational Creativity: Toward a Multiparadigmatic Approach, Tudor Rickards and Christian De Cock. Creative Thought: Cognition and Problem Solving in Dynamic Systems, Michael D. Mumford and Sigrid B. Gustafson. Philosophical Approaches to Creativity, Carl Hausman and Douglas Anderson. The Achievement of Eminence as an Evolutionary Strategy, Robert S. Albert. Creativity and Operant Research: Selection and Reorganization of Responses, Patricia D. Stokes. Creativity and Economics, Mark A. Runco, Todd I. Lubart, and Isaac Getz. Creativity as Purposeful Work: The Evolving Systems Approach, Sara N. Davis, Robert T. Keegan, and Howard Gruber. Creativity and Qualitative Research, Michael T. Moore ad Mary C. Murdock. Author Index. Subject Index.

Well we have this:

Creativity : theories and themes : research, development, and practice / Mark A. Runco.
Imprint London : Amsterdam : Academic Press, an imprint of Elsevier, [2014]
* 500 pages

And this is widely disseminated:
Beyond Terman : contemporary longitudinal studies of giftedness and talent / edited by Rena F. Subotnik and Karen D. Arnold.
Imprint Norwood, N.J. : Ablex Pub. Corp., [1994]
*

SJG

Weather Report - Weather Report (1971) [FULL ALBUM]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF0CYhVu…

The above two posts are mostly drawing from the references in Smart Boys (2001) by Barbara A. Kerr and Stanford J. Cohn, both at Arizona State.

They present the idea that success amongst gifted children seems to be the result of "falling in love with an idea" early in life, and then staying with it.

And most likely this is coming from:

Cradles of eminence [by] Victor Goertzel and Mildred George Goertzel. (1962)
*

And this 1962 edition is widely disseminated.

Now, Great Potential Press ( a Gifted Movement Press in Scotsdale AZ) published a 2004 second edition. It is far less disseminated.

There are other refs which Kerr and Cohn offer:

Families of gifted children / by Dewey G. Cornell (1984)
*

Love between equals : how peer marriage really works / Pepper Schwartz (1995)
*

Common fire : lives of commitment in a complex world / Laurent A. Parks Daloz ... [et al.] (1996 Beacon Press, house organ for the UU's)
*

He : understanding masculine psychology / Robert A. Johnson. (1989) Johnson also writes about the Fischer Kind and Woundedness in male psychology
*

SJG

https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=9933


Joni Mitchell - Amelia
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=9933

So more of the most interesting refs from Smart Boys, by Barbara A. Kerr and Stanford J. Cohn

Strosser, R. E. (2000) Eboys: The first inside account of venture capitalists at work.

Fried S. and Fried R. (1996) Bullies and victims: Helping your child survive the school yard battlefield.

And it says in Smart Boys that Sanford J. Cohn (Sandy) "has a special interest in the notion that the spark of intelligence began as a highly localized event in a single individual who spawned a new species, Homo Sapiens. Sandy discovered that he wanted to study the emergence of intellectual talent."

To me this sounds rather like "Clan of the Cave Bear", but I not found anything written about any of this from Cohn.

SJG

Joni Mitchell, Amelia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N7gPcCg…

Genius Denied, by Jan and Bob Davidson w/ Laura Vanderkam (2004)
https://www.amazon.com/Genius-Denied-Was…

This book is entirely consistent with what the other voices in the Gifted Movement are saying. And they have a long bibliography citing all the Gifted Movement authors that I like, and all the ones that I don't like.

They also argue against this anti-Gifted Movement author who I am going to read:

Mara Sapon-Shevin
Playing Favorites: Gifted Education and the Disruption of Community (1994)
by Mara Sapon-Shevin
Playing favorites : gifted education and the disruption of community / Mara Sapon-Shevin ; [foreword by Jeannie Oakes & Martin Lipton]
*

So she says that the Gifted Movement is racist and elitist, and that it destroys community. Sapon-Shevin has written other books about how to build community in schools. So I will read a number of her books.

Now the Davidsons probably cut deeper into conventional school, showing really biting examples of how ridiculous and time wasting it is, and how all it does is enforce the discipline of social conformity.

Definitely the Gifted Movement completely shatters the premises of the Autism / Aspergers / Neurodiversity Eugenics Hoax.

The Davidsons talk about the Gifted, and more about the Extremely Gifted. And they define the latter as IQ 145.

They say this would be 1/1000 persons. You might think about your own primary and secondary schools to see how many people this would apply to. And they say IQ 160 would be 1 in 10,000.

I would also say that even if you fit a gaussian distribution to some data, skewness and kurtosis zero, that still does not mean that the data actually follows a gaussian distribution and with skewness and kurtosis zero.

For myself I am not interested in IQ tests, or in any other kinds of tests. My organization will never use any tests for anything.

The Davidsons run their own school, using a part of the University of Nevada Reno campus.

https://www.davidsongifted.org/?gclid=EA…

I think what their book really does is just show how totally ass backwards conventional schooling is. All it does is enforce herd think. They say this is so for the Gifted and Extremely Gifted. I think this is true for everybody.

SJG

Deep Purple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7ZF2xaN…

Genius Denied, by Jan and Bob Davidson, 2004

Now I read this and it seems like it must be written by Jan. So I tend to refer to the author as 'she'.

She is consistent with the other voices in the Gifted Movement. Some of these voices I like, some I do not, and there are still large areas I an unclear about.

Comparted with the other GM voices, she is more critical about the focus on athletics in primary and secondary schools. Other GM voices don't want to take this kind of a position because for some GM, athletics is their forte.

She is more openly critical of peer culture and of the kinds of things they talk about, than most GM voices are. And then she is focused on the Extremely Gifted, which is probably IQ > 145, and about 0.1 to 0.7% of the population.

Now some people are critical of the Gifted Movement and they don't want any special accommodations in schools. They definitely don't want much money spend there. But in the GM they compare it to Special Education, where a huge amount of money is spent.

Like all educators, she does not like George W. Bush's No Child Left Behind. But Bush did appropriate a huge amount of money for Special Ed. For CA this is over $900,000,000.

She considers pull out programs and enrichment times to be completely inadequate. And trying to restrict a Gifted Child to grade level work is completely ridiculous, as it is to expect them to be tutoring other children after they have finished their assignments. And she doesn't really like having just independent study time either. So she wants special classes, often college level classes. She wants Gifted Children to have access to college classes.

She also notes that some Universities have 4 week summer programs, having gifted children reside in their dormitories and attend special classes. This gives them the chance to learn something more, and especially to be with intellectual peers. And for many this is what they live for, this is the only time in a year which they get this.

I keep reading her because I want to know if there is anything else she says, anything outside the usual gifted movement envelop.

There is one thing already, she lists some of the published detractors and tries to refute them

For example:

Sapon-Shevin, Mara, "Playing Favorites: Gifted Education and the Disruption of Community", 1994

And then some who take issue with the GIfted Movement are taking issue with the amount of tracking in schools. And I would interject that in much of Europe and throughout Latin America and I think in Japan, the tracking is much more extreme.

So there has been conflict with ACORN who objects to the three public "exam schools" in NYC, Stuyvesant, Brooklyn Tech, and Bronx Science.

And then arguing against tracking and effectively against the Gifted Movement we have:

Wheelock, Anne, "Crossing the Tracks: How "Untracking" Can Save America's Schools" 1980

And then of most interest arguing against tracking:

Oakes, Jeannie, "Keeping Track: How Schools Structure Inequality" 1985

And then writing specifically about a court ordered detracking in San Jose CA, Oakes also writes:

Oakes, Jeannie, Kevin Welner, and Susan Yonezawa, "Mandating Equity: A Case Study of Court-Ordered Detracking in the San Jose Schools (Berkeley: California Policy Seminar's Policy Research Program, 1998)

I am going to avail myself of as much of the above counter material as I can. I want to understand it.

I would say that the Davidson's and other voices in the Gifted Movement are trying to say that they are talking about children who are so far beyond the norm, that these tracks don't really apply. But the GM Is still going to interact with the issues over tracking. I have mixed feelings about this myself.

These kinds of issues relate to the views of our two major political parties too. And some in the GM, like the Davidsons, do seem tied to Republican views. But others that I like more do seem tied more to Democrats. But again, this is still supposedly about children who are so far out there, that these political tents might not really apply.

***************************************************************************************************************************************
Here on page 178, the Davidsons offer advice to parents, "What Parents Can Do"

"Assure your child that it is okay to be different. Highly intelligent children often feel disconnected from their classmates and other age peers. To learn about how gifted children develop friendships, visit the Parent section of:"

https://www.davidsongifted.org/about-us/…

This is good:

https://www.davidsongifted.org/prospecti…

https://www.davidsongifted.org/prospecti…

That's okay though. We can disregard this and still do it Icey and Nicespice's way. Stamp "Suspected Neurodivergent" in red on a child's school records. And then Icey and Nicespice are designing a suitable Neurodivergent Internment Camp Tag.


SJG

Miles Davis - Call It Anything (Miles Electric) Isle of Wight 1970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMYVvjoX…

Stanley Clarke Herbie Hancock & Chaka Khan Live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9urd9Mc5…

CHAKA KHAN BARRY WHITE LIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3bW0cNp…

Boogie oogie oogie - A Taste Of Honey - HQ/HD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl2m-u-0…

OMS - Martinism part 3/5 - Templars, Willermoz, RER & CBCS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO9tamxx…

OMS - Martinism part 4/5 - St. Martin the Unknown Philosopher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaZ1Uqvd…

https://www.martinism.net/

Berenson says marijuana causes neurodivergence

Berenson says that marijuana causes "mental illness", and I guess as you say he is saying that it causes "neurodivergence"

Well, there is no such thing as "mental illness", it is myth. And there is no such thing as "neurdivergence". So he is wrong.

But I also want to point out that the reason he is making such statements is not to promote the ideas of mental illness or neurodivergence. These are already accepted within the medical and pharaceutical ....

^

Mental illness and neurodivergence are already commonly held fallacies within the medical and pharmaceutical communities where Berenson has built his career. He is not specifically trying to promote these fallacies, and his arguments do not depend upon accepting them. He is simply trying to debunk another fallacy, that marijuana is benign. There are even lots of people around who try to say that marijuana is good for you.

So this is what Berenson is trying to debunk. The ideas of mental illness and neurodiversity are secondary to this. You might say that marijuana causes the symptoms of mental illness and neurodiversity. But even this would not be accurate, because there are no symptoms of things which do not exist.

You might say that marijuana causes the alleged symptoms of mental illness and neurodivergence.

I am planning to avail myself of Berenson's marijuana book and interviews, after the COVID Police State threat has passed.

What seems to be making it pass is not that the vaccines are eliminating COVID. They aren't.

Rather it is just because we have reached a new threat, World War III.

The Gifted Movement is not something I am totally onboard with either, don't understand enough about it yet. But it is clearly a totally opposite response to the same sorts of things that the Autism/Aspergers/Neurodivergence Hoax feeds on.

Right now there are people driving their children to the doctor, or to that Yale Eugenics Lab, so that they can be accessed and so that the parents can find in their child the locus of Original Sin.

And then there are some who are just othered until they are old enough to be driving themselves to the doctor.

Now the only people I have found that throw around this idea of Autism/Aspergers/Neurodivergence are the Keyboard Kowards who inhabit this forum.

F2F people instinctively know that they cannot do that. They would stand the risk of getting stuffed head first into a steel trash can, if not worse.

https://www.amazon.com/Home-Comforts-Tra…

SJG

Frampton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVCWaWFm…

The point is you believe him when it suits your preconceived notions

No, I believe the essence of what he is saying:

1. The COVID response is illogical and idiotic, and that so called vaccine is making this worse.

2. Marijuana is not benign.

SJG

But mental illness is a huge part of his premise....

Yes, well he is wrong about that, and it is not his real point. His point is that marijuana is not benign.

I plan to avail myself of his anti-marijuana material after the threat of a COVID Police State has passed.

SJG

That's what I mean. It's what suits your preconceived notions

Everyone always interprets things according to what already has meaning for them.

I dismiss his stuff about mental illness and neurodivergence because it is peripheral to what he is saying.

But the wrong he finds in the COVID hysteria and the so called vaccine are spot on.

SJG

See...

Heaving it's a conver. You're welcome to ignore it

Anyone can join in. If you're too neurodivergent to know that. That's on you. If you don't like 7t don't just post to be an asshoke to me

You're being passive aggressive and condescending. Fuck off

@heaving, stop making fun of my boyfriends! Us pink team members don't like being called retarded! We like being called faggots instead 😉

What the two of you (SJG & Icee) could do is start another thread of your own so that the OP doesn't keep getting comment notifications on a thread you hijacked.

Op can speak for themselves or turn notifications off CIM

but you only posted to be a bitch like always.

These posts are a response to Nicespice's OP.

So continuing with:

Genius Denied, by Jan and Bob Davidson, 2004

Their bibliography is long and it includes most of the voices in the Gifted Movement. And it is interesting to me that this movement, with its multiple publishing companies and numerous journals, for the most part is in a high degree of agreement. So I want to list some of these voice here:

Gifted Movement voices I like:

Barbara Clark
Barbara Kerr
Nicholas Colangelo
Felice Kaufmann ( in Alabama)
James Curtis Gowan (was at what would become CSU Northridge)
Linda Silverman
James T. Webb (much of his work is in response to a high profile tragic teen suicide)
Joanne Rand Whitmore

Gifted Movement voices I do not like:

Sally M. Reis
Sylvia Rimm
Karen B. Rogers (Minnesota, St. Thomas University)
Lewis Terman

Gifted Movement voices I have not yet read, but plan to:

Susan Assouline
Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
Deirdre V. Lovecky
Rena F. Subotnik
Stephanie Tolan
Leta Hollingworth
Victor and Mildred G. Goertzel (1962)
Miraca Gross

And Also of Note

Harold Bloom
Howard Gardner
Richard Hofstader, "Anti-Intellectualism in American Life 1962
Diane Ratvitch (education expert from Houston, strong opponent of No Child Left Behind)
John Vasconcelles (retired CA State Senator, known for focusing on the concept of self-esteem in education, something the Right and some voices in the Gifted Movement take exception to)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vasco…


And on page 62 the Davidson's say,

"
Gifted kids are acutely aware that they are different. The most confident ones shrug it off, but more wonder "What's wrong with me?" This question rarely leads to a positive self-concept. The more precocious the child, the worse the disconnect becomes. The most highly gifted face what gifted education's Miraca Gross calls a "forced-choice dilemma": achevement or friendship. Gifted children often hide their intelligence to blend in. Those who choose achievement must learn to live with having only a few good friends, who tend to be several years older. ... Many radically accelerated gifted children discover that being years younger than classmates makes them less strange than being years older intellectually.

But we can just disregard this and listen to "Autism/Aspergers/Neurodiversity" advocate John Elder Robison, "They don't owe you an accomodation", as he is getting strapped in for his next zap from the transcranial magnet to induce currents in his brain neurons.

And we can do things Icey and Nicespice's way, stamp "Suspected Neurodivergence" in red on a child's school records, and then start making interment camp tags.

SJG

70s Electric Miles Davis Mix (Jazz, Jazz Funk, Jazz Rock, Fusion..)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBTQzsxf…

The main reason that I still hold back some with the Gifted Movement is that I see there as being a risk of it just intensifying the kind of child exploitation which is the Middle-Class Family.

And the Davidson's talk about classical music kids, that sounds very scary, and it is suggestive of Tiger Mother Amy Chua.

I mean kids who live under the whip, just because their parents have nothing better to do, and Stage Moms.

Now the Gifted Movement authors, and the Davidson's, don't present it this way. They present it more as children learning to set challenging goals and achieve them. And yes, I agree that this is good.

Their view is that there would be a broad range of elective course selection, and that all kids would always be challenged.

I am just concerned that the parents would be pushing this, and that is the standard critique of the Gifted Movement.


Another critical book they mention, which I want to read, arguing against acceleration, skipping grades.

David Elkind, "The Hurried Child", 1981

The hurried child : growing up too fast too soon / by David Elkind ; with a new introduction by the author. 2010

This Elkind has written lots and lots of books. I need to avail myself of these to have a comprehensive understanding.

SJG

OMS 2 of 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j46T-7ha…

They like this and mention it often:

Stanford Education Program for Gifted Youth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_…

SJG

SJG said "These posts are a response to Nicespice's OP."

Meaning, you don't care because it's more fun for you to hijack a thread rather than start your own.

No wonder you call yourself CIM fucking troll

No CMI, she has promoted this fallacy, Autism/Aspergers/Neurodivergence. What I have posted dispels it.

SJG

Some of these recent comments are AWESOME 🤣🤣

Thanks nicespice,

SJG

How would you explain this

https://youtu.be/j4PTf7LgsIE

People respond to different kinds of stress in different ways:

Harry Harlow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdbnwrNb…

The Social Construction of Autism: Identity Politics in Our Culture by Sami Tamimi (new)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ABz7ICa…

Most of the time the othering starts with the parents. In extreme cases where there is no outside intervention, what the parent seems to want is for the child to commit suicide. They want vindication, they want to find the locus of Original Sin in their child.

So a parentectomy will often be a life saving procedure.

And this is kind of how it works in primitive societies. They look for children with mystical leanings because they will be the next shaman. When they find such, they remove the child from the parents and place them in the care of an adult shaman.

If you want an idea of what they might be referring to, look to the character Simon in Lord of the Flies. He is the first to be killed by Jack and his Pig Hunters.

If someone is being targeted with this Autism/Aspergers/Neurodiversity Hoax today, what I would recommend is

1. Martial Arts Training
2. Military Commando Training
3. A Very Good Lawyer
4. A shinny new pair of steel toed 187 boots exactly like the ones I am wearing right now

SJG

Playing favorites : gifted education and the disruption of community / Mara Sapon-Shevin ; [foreword by Jeannie Oakes & Martin Lipton]. (1994)

This is the first book of a decidedly anti-gifted movement author. And she has gone on to write other books which deal with some of the same issues. I am not endorsing her, but I do want to understand her, and to be able to do that I need to read her.

SJG

Wave of Bomb Threats Terrorizing Historically Black Colleges Continues During Black History Month (shows importance of Black Colleges)
https://www.democracynow.org/2022/2/18/s…

Filmmaker Stanley Nelson on Police Brutality, Black History & His First Oscar Nomination for “Attica” (has that surreal phone call between Richard Nixon and Nelson Rockefeller)
https://www.democracynow.org/2022/2/18/s…

^^sjg you only say those things because youve been identified as being on the spectrum with Asperger or autism. Otherwise you wouldn’t be so against this, which it’s obvious you are!

There is no such "spectrum".

They only started labeling lots of Americans that way in the 90's, because of the rise of neo-liberalism, a new surge of interest in computers, and because the works of Hans Asperger were first translated into English.

Fully explained here:
https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Autism-Medic…

Today anyone with an IQ over 85 is at risk of being so labeled, IF THAT IS WHAT THE PARENTS WANT!

The Gifted Movement is centered around the parents continually advocating for their child, to get them suitable educational materials, and into classrooms where they will be with intellectual peers.

So I am old enough to have missed the insanity.

If some white coat had tried to label me as being on some "Spectrum" you would have read in the newspaper what happened to them. And the Navy Seals could have used photos of it for their training.

SJG

Ass burger lulz

The entire discussion topic is solely the province of Keyboard Kowards.

People do not even think about such a thing F2F.

SJG

Reading about this Gifted Movement, it brings something to my mind.

Most of grades K thru 12 were just a low security prison, nothing good done at all, total waste of time.

But one of the high points was this. We had reading groups, really reading circles. This was necessary because kids need to hear stuff read aloud and they need the chance to read aloud in order to learn to read. And these are ability tiered groups.

Well this one 4th grade teacher decided to make Math Groups, three of them. So he made up a test, 3 problems of multiplying 2x 3 digit numbers together. He gave us all the papers and had us do it, and then he scored our papers. He didn't give the papers back to us, but he then announced that he had divided us into three groups.

Since the groups were about the same size, and since he didn't give the papers back to us, I think he may have had to fudge it some.

The for the next couple of weeks the two lower groups continued to practice multiplying numbers, while we got to learn Set Theory and Geometry.

And I know that getting to present this to our group was the real reason he made the groups. So he taught us all the key concepts and terminology in Set Theory, and then he went on to use this to develop Geometry, like point, line, circle, polygons, triangles, quadrilaterals, trapezoids, rectangles, squares, etc.

I had never heard anything like this before and I was blown away, and ....



SJG

X - Burning House of Love (live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LInxU2dW…

I still remember it all very well. I still rely on that treatment of Set Theory and Geometry which he was able to impart to us.

Now if he had a text book to give us that we could study from, and maybe if that had homework problems, all the better. And if it were always like that, totally awesome!

So I think about the Gifted Movement and on most things their authors are completely in agreement. One of their most central tenants is that a child has a right to be learning new things every single day.

Most of school as I saw it was spent handling discipline problems, reviewing stuff from previous years, or just going very very slowly.

So in the Gifted Movement they are saying that it cannot ever be like this.

As I see it, the idea is not so much just to jump years ahead in school. Rather, it is to be learning new materials each day, and especially, to be in classrooms with intellectual peers.

Now I do know that this gets into controversial territory, and I don't claim to have all the answers. This is why I keep reading.

And I have dealt with a father who used religion to sexually molest his daughters. and with his church was saying that he could not possibly have done anything wrong, and with the mother still insisting on this. I got very involved and played a big role in putting him into San Quentin.

I know that there are parents who don't want their children to be able to develop their intellectual abilities and will try to use the same sorts of justifications.

It all serves the needs of the parents, not wanting to take the chance that their kids will not be as fucked up as they are.

SJG

X - Around My Heart (1988 Whiskey a Go Go)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Ri9gJn…

Frances A. Karnes and Ronald G. Marquardt have written three books with titles like this. I don't know what they really deal with.

Gifted Children and the Law: Mediation, Due Process, and Court Cases

https://www.amazon.com/Gifted-Children-L…

Here:

Gifted children and legal issues : an update / Frances A. Karnes and Ronald G. Marquardt.
Imprint Scottsdale, AZ : Gifted Psychology Press, [2000]
*

Federal and state initiatives -- The legal process and gifted education -- Court cases and gifted students' educational opportunities -- A case-by-case look at school policies affecting gifted education -- Negotiation in gifted education -- Gifted education and mediation -- Gifted education and due process -- Other legal issues related to gifted youth -- Gifted children and the Office for Civil Rights -- Gifted legal issues in the new millennium -- Appendix A : Jacob Javits Gifted and Talented Students Education Act of 1988 -- Appendix B : Table of cases -- Appendix C : State offices of gifted education -- Appendix D : State associations for the gifted -- Appendix E : National associations and resources for the gifted -- Appendix F : Position statements of the National Association for Gifted Children.

SJG

Playing favorites : gifted education and the disruption of community / Mara Sapon-Shevin ; [foreword by Jeannie Oakes & Martin Lipton]. (1994)
This also has an acknowledgement of Anne Wheelock and Beth Blue Swaderner.

And so Sapon-Shevin, Oakes, and Wheelock are specifically cited by the Davidsons as opponents of the Gifted Movement.

And so I am not taking sides. I am reading this material because I want to understand. And it is challenging.

This was Sapon-Shevin's first book and she goes right at the Gifted Movement. And she has written a number of other books since.

It gets into very sensitive things relating to the Scientific Management in factories from the early 20th Century, and to the ways that the Charter Schools Movement and the Gifted Movement are being used as work arounds for avoiding racial integration in schools.

And then, Jimmy and Roselyn Carter sent their daughter to DC public schools. The Clinton's did not do this, they sent their daughter to an elite private school.

What I can say is this, most of these opponents to the gifted programs are really campaigning against tracking in schools. And the gifted programs end up being the top track.

As I see it, the gifted are not supposed to be the top track, or any track. The idea of being gifted is supposed to pertain to kids that really stand out. And so I guess there are not going to be that many of such.

But as I see it right now, the children of the rich live under the whip. And this is one of the arguments against gifted programs.

So I will be reading this book and a number of others before I really can form my own views.

SJG

What Sapon-Shevin explains that she grew up in the age of Sputnik, as did most everyone in the Gifted Movement. As I know, that was the real impetus.

But she is also saying something else, that it connects to Neo-Liberalism, the Charter Schools Movement, and to opposition to Brown v Board, White Flight to the Suburbs, and to resistance to school integration.

And I agree with her.

And what she does not say is that the Autism/Aspergers/Neurodivergence Hoax is also a product of all of these things, the resurgence of Nazi Eugenics in support of Neo-Liberalism.

SJG

This thread though..... 😭😭

Sapron-Shevin talks about her first experience with the Gifted Movement. She was looking for a pre-school for her daughter, and was considering the program offered by the Jewish Community Center.

But then a friend of hers had just gotten her own daughter into this gifted pre-school. So in part out of pride, Sapron-Shevin tried to get her own daughter in.

So it was run by the public school system, so she had to get her daughter an individual IQ test through the school district, and the daughter passed and got in.

Sapron-Shevin says that the gifted programs are a form of "educational triage", serving those children for whom inadequate programing and educational failure would not be acceptable while maintaining the status quo for the majority of the school population.

This is pretty bleak, but I am inclined to agree.

The Social Construction of Autism: Identity Politics in Our Culture by Sami Tamimi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ABz7ICa…

SJG

What about going to a club while defecation-divergent?

^^^ You sound like the one to do that research Candyman.

SJG

Already started, in Providence of course... need a large sample size before publishing my research paper
Large number of samples that is, not a sample that is large, which is usual for me

Continuing with Mara Sapon-Shevin.

My first reaction to what she writes is that she is unrealistic, completely unrealistic. Kids in school are vicious. They will attack anyone anyway they can. And often as not it is being prompted by the parents.

Sapon-Shevin though defines what she means by Community by referencing this time she spent at the world peace conference in a rural place on the US-Canada border. They ate meals together and slept in bunk beds in these barracks like structures.

Then she goes on to talk about an elementary school where kids are put into basic friendship groups of 4. They meet together for the first 10 minutes of each day, where they review the homework.

And the she talks about differences, like race, food allergies, and special educational needs being respected.

To me it sounds like she must have come of age in an Israeli Kibbutz. Or that is what she wants to make.

Our society is not like this. Life is not egalitarian, and kid, egged on by the parents, can be really cruel.

I read on though because I want to know where she goes with this. And I want to read some of the others who are opposed to the gifted programs. And she cites some of the voice I like.

SJG

I think this is going to get to the reason why people feel that there is a need for gifted programs. And it does challenge the concept of "gifted", and I am not one who has really ever gone along with it either.

SJG

Some of the gifted movement writers are really very nice people. These are the ones I like. They want school to be a place where kids can be themselves and just learn as much as they can.

Jan and Bod Davidson did not strike me that way.


Timimi is right, these so called "psychiatric diagnoses" work like brands. And some have become very popular.

The Social Construction of Autism: Identity Politics in Our Culture by Sami Tamimi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ABz7ICa…

SJG

The Gifted Movement authors I like want open ended creativity and curiosity driven educational environments.

Mara Sapon-Shevin wants this too.

Its just that those in the Gifted Movement feel that separation is necessary.

Mara Sapron-Shevin does not want this separation and does not thing the social construct of "gifted" is helpful.

I am inclined to agree with her, but I also note that these open ended creativity and curiosity driven school environments rarely exist.

So if you can get this for the Gifted, you have accomplished something.

But this supports what Mara Sapon-Shevin says, that the Gifted Programs are educational triage. Protect the Gifted while letting everyone else be completely disserved.

And then of course there are those Gifted Movement authors I do not like. They want kids to live under the whip.

SJG

I an see what Mara Sapon-Shevin is saying. I have never been that enamored with the concept "gifted" myself.

But I related how great it was in the 4th grade when for a few weeks out teacher broke us up into 3 math groups. I really loved that and learned so much. Without those groups that never would have been possible. With the entire class such instruction on Set Theory and Geometry would have been impossible.

And math time in class was such a waste, multiplying 3 digit numbers. And then in future grades, long division, and with decimal points.

Most of the class will not ever learn that, so you are just pounding them for no result.

I want to see how Mara Sapon-Shevin addresses these concerns.

But I do not go along with people like Jan and Bob Davidson or Sylvia Rimm, who seem to want a more strict and coercive environment.

I mean we have people in elected office here, seeming to be women, who talk about how they are going to make sure "kids do well in school". They are self-serving menaces.

SJG

Playing Favorites, Gifted Education and the Disruption of Community, by Mara Sapon-Shevin (1994)

Some of her references:

************* Anti-Gifted and Anti-Tracking refs

George, P. (1992) How to untrack your school

How to Untrack Your School
by Paul S. George

George, Paul S.
How to untrack your school / Paul George.
Alexandria, Va. : Association for Supervision and Curriculum Development, [1992]
*

Crossing the Tracks: How 'Untracking' Can Save America's Schools
by Anne Wheelock 1993

Crossing the tracks : how untracking can save America's schools / Anne Wheelock (1992)
* this is a widely disseminated book

"One of the most crucial controversies in educational circles today involves the practice of "tracking," or grouping students by ability from the early grades onward. Because the tests that are used to measure "ability" turn out to be a better measure of privilege or deprivation than of innate intelligence, underprivileged children are consistently relegated to the "slow track." Forced into a self-fulfilling and racist prophecy, they must contend with inferior instruction, inequitable resources, and lowered expectations - which all but guarantee their future failure." "Crossing the Tracks is a groundbreaking survey of schools throughout the country that have successfully "crossed the tracks" by reintegrating their classrooms. With all the excitement attendant on any effort at monumental reform, schools from Hawaii to Maine, Minnesota to Louisiana, are changing not only the makeup of their classes but their fundamental approach to education. Wheelock documents the actual experiences of schools as they reduce or eliminate ability grouping and strive to offer superior learning environments to all students." "With chapters on parental involvement, teacher training, curriculum reform, student aspirations, and examples of programs and practices that have been implemented across the nation, Crossing the Tracks is the first book to outline a specific course of action for parents, teachers, administrators, and others ready to join the "untracking" movement." "With its clear writing and many practical features, including a list of successfully-untracked schools and key contact people at each school, Wheelock's text is strongly endorsed by both educators and policy makers. Crossing the Tracks should have a significant impact on our thinking about approaches to elementary and middle-school education and should play a major role in the movement to enrich the learning process for all of our students."

Inclusion: A Guide for Educators
by Susan Stainback (Editor), William Stainback (Editor) (1996)

https://www.amazon.com/Inclusion-Guide-E…

Inclusion : a guide for educators / edited by Susan Stainback and William Stainback (1996)
*

Making the best of schools : a handbook for parents, teachers, and policymakers / Jeannie Oakes & Martin Lipton. (1990)
* widely disseminated

Snow, J. A. "Giftedness"
in The Inclusion Papers, 1992
by Jack Pearpoint, Marsha Forest, Judith Snow
https://www.amazon.com/Inclusion-Papers-…
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Cooperative learning / Robert E. Slavin (1983)
* widely disseminated


************* Pro-Gifted Program voices, these and others

Rensulli J. and S. M. Reis (1993)
schoolwide enrichment

Colangelo N.
Csikzentmihalyi, M. and Robinson, R. D.
Erlich V. 1982
Gallagher, J. J. (1985) Teaching the Gifted Child
Linda Silverman, Barbara Clark. James Webb, Stephanie Tolan


************** Mentions Diane Ravitch

She is in Houston and considered a conservative and she was with Bush on No Child Left Behind. But she is a very thoughtful writer. Not sure where she is at on Tracking and Gifted Programs, but she has come out as a fierce critic of NCLB, and against the Privatization Movement too.

Slaying Goliath: The Passionate Resistance to Privatization and the Fight to Save America's Public Schools Paperback – September 22, 2020
by Diane Ravitch (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Slaying-Goliath-P…

I'll try to post some of my thoughts about this Mara Sapon-Shevin book in a bit. This is an extremely broad subject and it all gets into some very deep areas. And she is not just against Gifted Programs, she is against any school tracking, and her sources are too.

And San Jose schools had been under a court order to untrack, but I think this was lifted. So there is much I do not know about this.

SJG

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I think back about my forth grade experience of being divided into three math groups and then getting to learn about Set Theory and then about Geometry.

There is no way a school could do that with entire non-ability grouped classes. You'd be teaching kids things which they have no ability to relate to because their parents don't either.



So what do I think about this Mara Sapon-Shevin book?

Well it all gets into some very complex issues, and the kinds of issues which I have not before made any effort to keep up on. But my intitial reaction is that there is a lot of difficulty with what she seems to want. She is not only against Gifted Programs, she seems to be against all tracking.

So I need to read more.

SJG

You couldn't teach the kids about Set Theory and Geometry. The bulk of the students would have no basis for relating to the material because they are coming out of families where there is no relating to such things.

Is this unfair? Well it is unfair to penalize those who can related to it because most can't.

Maybe you can try to get some kids who have no background for this interested and listening, but it will take time.

And then Mara Sapon-Shevin explains that "Gifted" is a socially constructed category.

I agree with this. It goes back to Lewis Terman and to IQ testing. This probably is non-constructive.

But most all schools have some kind of ability grouping, and it seems like you need to.

I introduced the idea that Mara Sapon-Shevin seems to think she is living in an Israeli Kibbutz. Well those places are different. The kids have lived together M-F for so many years. They really do honor differences, and they protect each other.

They supply the majority of Israel's elite troops, and the vast majority of their fighter pilots.

But our society and our schools are not like that. You have to deal with kids as they come from their home and neighborhood environmnet.

Sapon-Shevin develops her idea of community from her experiences living and eating with people at these annual peace camps. Well that was probably a pretty rarified environment, as was the Jewish Community Center pre-school she wanted to send her daughter to.

Now she is down on these Enrichment Programs. I think she does have a good case there. These are disruptive and there kind of an ethic that they are not to be talked about, and that why some kids are in and some are out should not be talked about.

I think these programs should go.

But actually ability grouped classes, harder material, I think that is really good.

And then the social environment? Such groups of exceptional kids are a real plus, from everything I have experienced.

And then 1 room school houses? Some say those are better in all respects. People act their own age in such. It is only in age segregated places that they get to be like prisons. One room school houses are good, but you usually only find them where there is sparse population and very limited funds.

So I have many questions and will keep reading.


SJG

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Tesla’s 3-6-9 and Vortex Math: Is this really the key to the universe?

And then writing specifically about a court ordered detracking in San Jose CA, Oakes also writes:

Oakes, Jeannie, Kevin Welner, and Susan Yonezawa, "Mandating Equity: A Case Study of Court-Ordered Detracking in the San Jose Schools (Berkeley: California Policy Seminar's Policy Research Program, 1998)

But this probably not really a standard channels book, it is not so available.

Usually I go for the oldest books first, so I can have a better chance of understanding them.

Here though I will instead start wtih the newest:

Preparing teachers for deeper learning / Linda Darling-Hammond, Jeannie Oakes ; with Steven K. Wojcikiewicz [and 7 others]. (2019)

I hope I can get a broad overview and see what is current, as well as getting some view of what went down in San Jose schools in 1998

I cannot see how you can run schools without ability grouping.

But I can see dumping the "Gifted" label and the IQ tests.

And I also think it is bad when the parents are pushing it.

In CA now, and in lots of other places, the law is Individual Education Plan, and I think that good. But is that still tracking?

SJG

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Some further voices associated with the Gifted Movement


Real Boys: Rescuing Our Sons from the Myths of Boyhood, 1998, Pollack, W. S.
Real Boys
Rescuing Our Sons From the Myths of Boyhood
by Pollack, William S.
+

We have this:
What excellent community colleges do : preparing all students for success / Joshua S. Wyner ; [foreword by Anthony P. Carnevale] (2014)
*

but that was not what I was looking for. Supposed to be a book by Wyner called The Achievement Trap. Cannot find it.

SJG

^ continuing from above:

A nation deceived : how schools hold back America's brightest students / Nicholas Colangelo, Susan G. Assouline, Miraca U.M. Gross. (2004, 2 volumes)
*

The evolution of consciousness : of Darwin, Freud, and cranial fire : the origins of the way we think / Robert Ornstein ; line illustrations by Ted Dewan. (1992)
* well disseminated

Vygotskiĭ, L. S. (Lev Semenovich), 1896-1934. (Russian, did work in learning in 1920's )

Being adolescent : conflict and growth in the teenage years / Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi and Reed Larson. (1984)
* widely disseminated

Becoming Adult
How Teenagers Prepare for the World of Work
Csikszentmihalyi, Mihaly
+ many many books

Different minds : gifted children with AD/HD, Asperger syndrome, and other learning deficits / Deirdre V. Lovecky. (2004)
*

Positive disintegration / Edited, with an introd., by Jason Aronson (1964, Polish Psychiatrist very highly regarded in Gifted Movement)
*

Mental growth through positive disintegration, by Kazimierz Dabrowski with Andrzej Kawczak and Michael M. Piechowski. (1970)
*

Creativity and conformity / by Clark E. Moustakas. (1967) author has many books
*

SJG

Toilet Training for Individuals with Autism or Other Developmental Issues: Second Edition // Maria Wheeler (2007)
Excellent book for when little ones are making the poop fly, regardless of whether you believe in autism or not

And there are some retired Marine Corps Drill Sergeants who offer excellent training in how to deal with bullies and assholes.

SJG

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The Exceptional Child in the Family

Ross, Alan O
Title The exceptional child in the family : helping parents of exceptional children
Imprint New York : Grune & Stratton, [1964]
* widely disseminated

Abraham, Willard
Title Common sense about gifted children
Imprint New York : Harper, [1958]
* widely disseminated

Strang, Ruth May, 1895-1971
Helping your gifted child (1960)
* widely disseminated and very highly regarded

Laycock, Samuel Ralph, 1891-
Gifted children : a handbook for the class-room teacher (1957)
*

Laycock had a 1951 book, Helping parents to accept their gifted child, but now I see that that was an article.

Education of exceptional children and youth / editors, William M. Cruickshank, G. Orville Johnson. (1975 3rd edition)
should have in it J. M. Dunlap, The education of children with high mental ability, originally 1958

Handel, Gerald. The psychosocial interior of the family : a sourcebook for the study of whole families. (1967)
and it has in it The emotionally disturbed child as the family scapegoat / Ezra F. Vogel and Norman W. Bell

Ackerman, Nathan W. (Nathan Ward), 1908-1971.
The psychodynamics of family life : diagnosis and treatment of family relationships / by Nathan W. Ackerman.
Basic Books, [1958]
* widely disseminated

Levy, David M. (David Mordecai), 1892- Maternal Overprotection (1966)

SJG

Miles Davis and Thelonious Monk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sswp02n…

Hey Nicespice, you still reading this?

A test to see if (and possibly when) Nicespice turned off notifications on this shit.

I get email notifications anytime this thread gets commented on. Sometimes I’ll click on the link to this thread, and sometimes I just delete the email on sight. Just depends

The psychology of parent-child relationships / by Percival M. Symonds. (1939)

reading old books helps you understand how things got to be the way they are today. And the misconceptions in the old book are very easy to recognize.

SJG

^^^ nobody is learning shit by reading your old posts. That’s for sure.

^^^ Well it is obvious that you aren't, just getting ready for your UK relatives to show up, the ones who brought long horn cattle from Scotland.

SJG

Nelson, K. C. wrote about Dabrowski's theory of Positive Disintegration.

Stephanie Tolan wrote about special problems of the highly gifted. Parents can't help their children deal with issues they have not faced for themselves.

Wishworks, Inc.
Tolan, Stephanie S. (2009 young adult fiction)

SJG

Miles Davis and Thelonious Monk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7zaUceG…

Denial: How Refusing to Face the Facts about Our Autism Epidemic Hurts Children, Families, and Our Future // Mark Blaxill and Dan Olmsted (2017)
"Even as the autism rate soars and the cost to our nation climbs well into the billions, a dangerous new idea is taking hold: There simply is no autism epidemic."

Autism is an industry. A big part of the drive is neo-liberal capitalism, and then the simple fact that some parents want to find the locus of original sin in their child.

Anyone who is being targeted with such, needs to be taught how to fight back.

Very informative:
https://www.amazon.com/Constructing-Auti…

And the answer to the Autism Hoax, though they don't directly present it this way, is the Gifted Movement.

**************************************************************

Now, relating to things said by the Gifted Movement, I want to relate to another school experience of my own.

This was in the 7th grade.

I was reading a book about rocket flight. Actually it was intended for model rocketry.

It talked about how to predict the course of a rocket's flight. And this was allowing for the fact that thrust and weight both change over time, and air drag changes with velocity.

Because of this you had to calculate for small time intervals. At the end of each interval you would have an altitude and a velocity. They recommended 10ths of a second. But going smaller would be better.

Talked about making tables on big sheets of paper and always double checking your calculations and this maybe taking 6 hours. Or maybe a bit less if you were good with a slide rule.

I was going to do it with an electronic calculator.

But there was a problem with this. As I tried to follow their development I came to a place that I could not follow it.

They had an equation with one variable, and they had it direct and then another term where they had it squared.

How can you solve this and get what they had? I tried different ways, but when you have x and x^2, there is no way, or no way that I knew of.

So I asked my father, he acted like he did not know, though I think he had just gotten used to getting buy in life by playing stupid so much that it became habitual.

So I asked my Mathematics teacher. He saw what I meant and he did not know. But he told me he was going to ask another teacher.

So then at the end of the day I came back and he took me to another class room and introduced me to this other teacher. I knew who he was, but I had never spoken with him before.

He sat me down and showed me how factors can be multiplied, First Outside Inside Last (FOIL). And he showed me a squared factor, and then how to take the equation from the book and complete the square. Then he derived the General Quadratic Solution.

Then he explained about how there are two roots. But in this, because of the way they formulated the problem you can just take one of them. And this agreed with what the book showed.

I was blown away. To this day I can complete the square and derive the General Quadratic Solution.

Now, what I was reading in the rocketry book and trying to calculate was completely extracurricular. I would have loved to have been in class rooms then, where such things were the regular faire. But it was not that way.

That time those teachers spent with me made a big difference.

To this day I find polynomials and their properties and the ways to solve them and use them fascinating.

I do not remember how they got the quadratic in the book, but it may have been because distance traveled during a time t under constant acceleration is (a * t^2)/2

If you wanted to show this without calculus you could go the the area of a triangle. And if there is initial velocity you need to add that in, vi * t.

SJG

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^ thanks.

And also I would add, some years later, I was still so taken with the General Quadratic that I would in the coming years, having initially learned to write computer programs, write one for the General Quadratic. And of course it would have three possible outcomes, based on the discriminant.

And this is when I learned that if you want to make computers do math, you need to really understand it. You had to know the realm of applicability and you had to know what the special cases were.

And then fare into the future I would make a simple programmable calculator do this.

And then I would also write a program for make the computer do the rocket flight calculation, with thrust and weight versus time tables.

And then far into the future I would write other time domain simulation programs, numerical solutions to differential equations.

Now this was on the schools computers. But otherwise it was all extra circular. I have no idea what it might have been like if I was being presented with such material in classes, and if I could do such projects for classes.

SJG

And further, the model rocket book never talked about calculus. But when I was first exposed to calculus, I was immediately taken by it, like differentiation meaning dropping one order of exponent, with integration meaning going up one.

And I could relate to all of it because I could see that what was being taught in the model rocket book had to have been based on calculus. And then of course I would learn about Isaac Newton and see that this most definitely was so.

But what if my classes could have way back been treating such things, and if I could have been in social environments where such things were the norm?

SJG

So I've got "Preparing Teachers for Deeper Learning" in front of me.

https://www.amazon.com/Preparing-Teacher…

Written by many people, but of particular note, Jeannie Oakes, and she is Emeritus UCLA.

Now most of the voices in the Gifted Movement are in Teacher Training, Student Counseling, or even they are Licensed Psychotherapists. This limits what they can say. They can't come out and say that Autism/Asergers is nonsense, because that would be attacking parents. And this they must not do.

Okay, but Jeannie Oakes is not a Gifted Movement advocate, she is an anti-tracking advocate. Not sure how far this goes either. She is anti-tracking, anti-gifted programs. Is she also anti-ability grouping?

I do not know and I do want to understand her side's position.

This book in front of me is quite new, and as it is written by so many people with their works all blended together, I am not going to read that much of it. I just want to get the idea of what they are trying to do.

Oakes was involved in a consent degree to untrack San Jose schools around 1998. I had not been aware of this. But I think it only lasted for a year.

As I know the law here is Individual Education Plans. But I don't know how the untracking camp sees that. Isn't that probably still going to be more tracking?

I have a hard time seeing how you could make school work without tracking and ability grouping. But I am reading so that I might be able to understand.

An older book from Jeannie Oakes
Multiplying inequalities : the effects of race, social class, and tracking on opportunities to learn mathematics and science / Jeannie Oakes with Tor Ormseth, Robert Bell, Patricia Camp. (1990)
*

SJG

Major Untracking and Anti-Gifted Programs Voice, Jeannie Oakes. Reading her because I want to understand.

Teaching to change the world / Jeannie Oakes, Martin Lipton. (2nd ed 2003, should say about the San Jose Untracking Consent Decree)

Go for this:
Keeping track : how schools structure inequality / Jeannie Oakes (2nd ed 2005)
https://www.amazon.com/Keeping-Track-Sch…

SJG

So above I talked about reading:

Mara Sapon-Shevin
Playing Favorites: Gifted Education and the Disruption of Community (1994)
by Mara Sapon-Shevin
Playing favorites : gifted education and the disruption of community / Mara Sapon-Shevin ; [foreword by Jeannie Oakes & Martin Lipton]

Sapon-Shevin is a strong opponent of Gifted Programs and she is opposed to all school tracking.

I read her stuff and it makes sense to a point. She wants community in the class room. And she says the gifted pull out programs are disruptive and they make for some distinction which is not talked about.

I heard her example stories and I cam to the conclusion that she seemed to want something like an Israeli Kibbutz, and that she might have grown up in such.

What she wants is laudable, but it will not happen. School children should not be encouraged to be mean to each other, but they still are.

There isn't community in school classrooms because their is not community in our society. True, those in the Gifted Programs are predominantly from middle-class homes. The parents do not want community with families that are not planning on their kids going to college. End of story.

So now I have read enough of:

Preparing teachers for deeper learning / Linda Darling-Hammond, Jeannie Oakes ; with Steven K. Wojcikiewicz [and 7 others]. (2019)

It is a more tactful book, but I feel that the fundamental ideas have the same problems.

Here on the back cover it says:

"For educators who seek to reduce disparities in achievement and life outcomes..."

And it says about Oakes, "Oakes's research examines the effect of social policies on the education of low-income students of color and investigates equity-minded reform"

And then in the book it gives a good example I think of what they mean:

It is with Freshman class at a low income and minority high school. The teacher gives them a newspaper cartoon, which shows Nelson Mandela. When they imprisoned him he was very small, but when decades later they released him he was very large.

And then they had a discussion about it. And they call this a Socratic Seminar, and you can look it up that way in the index.

I actually remember that cartoon, it might have been in the Christian Science Monitor, as they did cartoons like that.

For the discussion they have one group sit in the chairs in the inside of the circle, and then others in the outside chairs. Those in the outside chairs ask the questions and those in the inside answer. Then eventually they reverse.

And so it became a lively discussion about racism in America today.

This is laudable, as are many of the other things the authors say. But there are also, as I see it, serious problems which will prevent it from being support and prevent it from working.

SJG

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I posted on this thread about two fantastic opportunities which came my way, one in the 4th grade and one in the 7th grade, and they pertained to Set Theory, Geometry, and to the General Quadratic Solution.

I posted these because I knew that they would become important.

In a school which deals with the general school age population, you could not at that grade level talk about such things. You would be asking the children to relate to something which nothing in their social background has prepared them for. If you tried to tell their parents about it all you would get is a puzzled look.

So while this tends to promote inequality, it is the best you can do.

Now as I posted about from the Oakes book, a class discussion about a newspaper political cartoon, that has some value. But it is not what those intending to go to college most need. It does not directly prepare them for college admission and for college work. It is peripheral.

Maybe writing a well researched paper would be relevant. But the casual discussion would not be.

Now Oakes etal is strongly opposed to the new emphasis on standardized testing in schools, but the Gifted Movement is no different. They want an end to that too.

And Sapon-Shevin does not like the pull out programs, and the Gifted Movement voices do not like that stuff either.

I remember in the two well watched movies, Blackboard Jungle, and To Sir With Love. In both films the teacher is finally able to reach the students by talking about real life things, instead of narrowly defined academics. Okay, in such a situation this is what you do.

And yes, as Oakes says, the school teaching in the low income schools and schools of color is horrid. And the reason for this is the focus on standardized testing.

And Sapon-Shevin is correct that the Gifted Programs are just educational triage, making sure those top students do not fail because that would be unacceptable.

But stopping Gifted Programs and Ability Grouping just to keep things egalitarian is not fair either. You can't harm some students just to make sure they don't pull ahead of others.

Now, if you did the kind of teaching that Oakes describes, and starting in grade K, the outcomes would be better. And so we should do this. BUt this doe mot mean that we should stop Gifted Programs, Ability Grouping, or Tracking.

Our world is not communal, it is competitive. It is competitive in income, in academic ability, in athletics, and socially. We cannot just by fiat bring a stop to this.

If we educate all people as best as we can, the long term effect will be the best we can expect, and it will come to improve the prospects of those disadvantaged.

SJG

Reading Oakes etal, I try to relate to the things they are describing. Not being a class room teacher myself it is difficult.

But you do find such discussions in church study groups. The Episcopalians are pretty literate and have an pretty high education level. They often have programs which are based on a book and they have structured discussion sessions. And there is more of a communitarian ethic than a competitive ethos.

But this still would not work well with the general population of adults.

And then in high school, I think jr year US History, we had this teacher who kept preaching to us about this idea of "concepts" as opposed to just remembering names and dates. And so he would explain this to us, and then he would show us a documentary film and then stop it in the middle to tell us that he sees people writing notes every time a number is mentioned, but no other time.

Well, I am sorry, what he wants may be well intended, but if he expects people to be able to deal with this various concepts which run through US History, he needs to talk about the concepts themselves, not just lecture to us about the idea of "concepts".

And if he wants people to be able to relate to this he has to assign papers or set up class discussions about these. One can only do so much, and with many students none of this will ever work.

So I guess I am saying that you have to have Ability Grouping and Tracks. And though you might not call it such and might never have IQ tests, you do still need to have Gifted Programs.

SJG

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There is no such thing as Autism, Aspergers, or Neurodivergence. It is all just a concept invented in the Nazi Eugenics Movement. It has been resurrected today because of Neoliberal Capitalism, and because some parents have such a need to find in their child the locus of Original Sin that they will exhaust all the doctors in the yellow pages trying to find one who will affirm their need.

As I see it, Autism-Aspergers is entirely a Keyboard Koward concept.

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The Gifted Movement, I am convinced, deals with the same sorts of phenomenon, its just that it interprets and responds to it completely differently. And this is what I find most interesting about it.

And then above I am reading some of the critics of the Gifted Movement, because I want to understand their perspective. They are against the Gifted Movement and they are against school tracking. I feel that I need to understand their perspective before I push further. Maybe there are some on this board who have experience with teacher training and school practices and who might have something to say about this. Jeannie Oakes taught at UCLA, was involved in a court ordered untracking move in San Jose, and is a well known opponent of gifted programs and of school tracking.

SJG

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So a little bit more about Jeannie Oakes etal.

She says that school teachers on the whole make 30% less than other college graduates, and this was it the high point which was the early 1990s. It has dropped since.

And if a teacher was the head of a family of 4, they would be eligible for various public assistance programs. A child in such a family would be eligible for school lunches, and at home eligible for Food Stamps.

And Oakes wants to attract the best people into teaching. But notice that she distinguishes the best when it comes to teacher candidates, when it comes to students she wants to minimize competition by eliminating tracking and ability grouping. School kids are not like this and no one really wants this, especially the parents. Our society is stratified.

Oakes etal say that the teaching in schools has depended on wrote memorization, originating form theories on industrial management from the start of the 20th century, and that that won't do.

I agree with her. It should never have to be like that. But some kids will pull way ahead at an early age. That is just how it is and it is unfair to hold them back for self serving reasons, though I have seen this done all the time.

A main message of the gifted movement is that parents have to band together and be constantly advocating for their children to get these programs.

And this is the opposite of what the Autism-Asperger's movement does, focusing on applying a disability label, and one which is entirely socially constructed.

SJG

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^ I think that's great and I'm glad you feel better.

A couple of other things Jeannie Oakes etal say. She says that school teachers are paid on average 30% than other college graduates. And this was at the peak, the early 90's. It has dropped again since.

I think that the kind of school setting she is building would work if the adults lived communally. They the kids would have a real long term commitment to each other and the school, and so there would be tolerance of difference, and so some of the kids could most of the time be doing independent studies, and that would be fine.

Okay, but most adults do not live communally and so our society is competitive at all different levels. And one big issue is are their kids expected to go to college. For those who are, the parents do not want commonality with those who are not.

Now Oakes etal say something else, and they develop it quite fully. The kind of education our schools have done, and especially in low income areas and with students of color, it was all about wrote memorization. And this will not work today. People need more that that.

And then with this emphasis in the Charter Schools movement, supported here by Mayor Sam Liccardo, it is all computerized drilling and training, the machines keeping track of the time between key strokes. And for for the things people need to know today, that is horrid.

So Oakes's Socratic Discussion Group would be a big improvement there.

But for kids who are already able to do good academic work, I think that kind of stuff would be waste of time and really holding them back.

I know that these race and socio-economic class issues are very sensitive and they always have been.

SJG

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Another thing Jeannie Oakes etal talked about were these Individual Education Plans, IEP.

This is the law in CA, and I think in some other places too.

So I guess there is this conference. I don't know much about this.

But Oakes said their can be the child, the parents, a teacher, an administrator and an attorney.

Now this last I had never heard of before.

Oakes etal are involved with teacher's colleges, and they said they role play these conferences.

In the Gifted Movement there is a big emphasis on parents advocating for the child. Their are counselors who work in this capacity, but I don't think really attorneys.

Want to know more about this as I think it makes a big difference.



SJG

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Oakes does not explain this, because she is Anti-Gifted Movement.

But the Gifted Movement writers really center their message on the parents advocating for their child with the school authorities.

And this is what makes it the diametric opposite of the Autism / Aspergers / Neurodiversity Hoax.

And the Gifted Movement writers cannot come out and say that Autism / Aspergers is nonsense. Peter Breggin explains that Autism Advocacy is still just defensive formations of the parents, trying to protect themselves against Bruno Bettleheim.

SJG

Crossing the tracks : how untracking can save America's schools / Anne Wheelock (1992)

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Keeping Track
How Schools Structure Inequality

Jeannie Oakes
2005 second edition

Oakes and Wheelock are two of the leading opponents of the Gifted Movement and of school Tracking.

I read this material because I want to understand the perspective. My own views are not absolutely set because there is a lot about schools to day which I don't know much about.

SJG

reading:

Keeping Track
How Schools Structure Inequality
by Jeannie Oakes, originally 1985, 2005 2nd ed.

Now, in this second edition

Oakes mentions this reference:

The Tracking Wars: State Reform Meets School Policy
by Tom Loveless (1999)
https://www.amazon.com/Tracking-Wars-Ref…
The tracking wars : state reform meets school policy / Tom Loveless. (1999)
** I need to read this.

I think Loveless is not really a combatant, just someone who is trying chronicle the conflict.

Oakes added to the second edition 2 new chapters, including one she calls "Tracking Wars", and this is what I am reading now.

She counts Diane Ravitch and Mortimer Adler as conservatives but unlikely allies in the detracking push.

Now yes, in the mid 90's San Jose was one of four medium sized US cities under a detracking consent decree. Though I believe that it was lifted only a year later. Not sure how much they untracked, or how that worked out, or what the present state of affairs is.

Oakes sees Tracking as a Second Segregation, after Brown v Board. And yes, she does talk about it like it is a both a war and a morals crusade.

She says that the most adamant protectors of Tracking are those who teach in the Gifted Programs, and that they "came out swinging".

These Gifted Movement people say that they are not for Tracking, only for Ability Grouping.

I can see valid points on both sides, but I still think that something is missing in the arguments.

Back of book says,
"Jeannie Oakes is a Presidential Professor and Director of the Institute for Democracy Education and Access at the University of California, Los Angeles"

Most of the authors in the Gifted Movement are "Professor of Gifted Education".

And so they have these disparate views built into the teacher training programs.

SJG

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I reflect on what Oakes is saying and I try to relate it to my own school experiences.

She talks about how bad the mid and lower tracks are in schools, and I agree with her. They have teachers that are substandard in training and experience, they are substandard in supplies and equipment, and the teachers can't give organized instruction. A lot of time just sitting reading the text, and mostly dealing with discipline problems.

And so what is the remedy? Well usually it is Tracking and Ability Grouping, and it is "better schools" in higher income neighborhoods. And it is the Gifted Programs, because behind these is the idea that it is because of something innate about the kids, not because of race or socio-economics.

And so teachers starting out in these kinds of difficult classes, they try to work their way up to get into the better classes and in the "better schools" and in "better neighborhoods".

Now, does this perpetuate inequality? Yes of course it does. But what else can you do?

I don't blame teachers or administrators. How can you expect children to be interested in learning something which seems totally alien to them, and when there is nothing in their social realm which would make it seem important?

SJG

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So I think about my own school experiences and yes, it was tracked.

College is tracked because it is only those who want to be there, and only those who can get and keep their grades up.

Jr High and High School were also mostly tracked. Though some things were more tracked than others. I think Math, Science, and English were the most tracked.

The untracked would have been Industrial Arts class, Physical Education, and Driver Ed.

But the first two did not have that much sit down learning.

Driver Ed is an interesting case study, because it tries to teach some things which everyone needs to know. They want you to take cars seriously and own and operate them responsibly. They want you to drive conservatively, cautiously, and defensively. With the simulators, Dodge Monaco consoles, they teach you to keep you speed down and your following distance up, and they teach you to always be using gentle braking. You learn to watch for curious movements of other drivers, pulling away from the curb or out of parking places, or trying to pass on the right. You learn the things that drivers get from long experience, but that would be too dangerous and costly for you to learn on your own.

And people come here from third world countries and learn to drive, and their lack of such instruction really shows.

But everything else is tracked. I think of Math, Science, and English, versus the students we had in Driver Ed. Driver Ed is where you see the students from the other tracks, both boys and girls. You probably recognize from past years. You could not have academically challenging classes with them. They just don't have the background, and the material will not seem relevant to them.

Does this perpetuate inequality? Yes of course it does. But I don't blame the teachers or the schools. What else can you do, it is just the way our society is.

Most of the opponents of the Gifted Programs feel that some students do really well, but it is because their parent's push them.

And of course I do not support this kind of pushing.

And I also note that originally the Gifted Movement was not talking about a top track, it was originally just a very small percentage of children they were talking about, like maybe 0.1 %.

But you can't have special classes for that small of a group, so it became the top 3% or 2%. But even that is too small for classes. So if there are three class levels, then it is the top 3rd.

I am not saying that there should be more pushing of kids to take an interest in academics.

They should take interest in that which interests them.

I have talked about some of my best school experiences. These were always because somewhere along the way I got exposed to something, quite extraciricular, and then decided I needed to learn more to really understand. And this came to things like the General Quadratic Solution.

I never accepted this idea that you have to accept living under the whip, to get into college to get a good job. That makes no sense and that is not really how the world works, and I don't think kids should accept that.

SJG

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Jeannie Oakes
Keeping Track
2005 2nd ed

This is getting more interesting and I am starting to feel that Jeannie Oakes is right.

She has this sociologist Maureen Hallinan who says that it is much easier to teach in tracked schools.
Restructuring schools : promising practices and policies / edited by Maureen T. Hallinan (1995)

And then she has this Adam Gamoran who talks about how to do tracking differently, with summer and afterschool programs for those who want help catching up. So Oakes asks "What could be wrong with that?" And she answers, "Absolutely nothing

Transforming teaching in math and science : how schools and districts can support change / Adam Gamoran [and others]. (2003)

Oakes says the problem is though that if you have any kind of tracking in place it will get miss used. Attitudes about race and socioeconomic status are deeply ingrained. And she has data, even for San Jose, which was used in court to show that Latinos and Afro Americans who have the same test scores are still not put into the same classes that the Whites and Asians are.

The most interesting is she has this

Joseph Renzulli, who says that the needs of the gifted can be served in regular classrooms with students of varying ability. And he wants high end learning to be provided to all students.

https://www.intelltheory.com/renzulli.sh…

director of the National Research Center on the Gifted and Talented.

https://nrcgt.uconn.edu/

https://nrcgt.uconn.edu/underachievement…

Enriching curriculum for all students / Joseph S. Renzulli, Sally M. Reis (2008)

Identification of students for gifted and talented programs / Joseph S. Renzulli, editor. (2004)

The Multiple menu model : a practical guide for developing differentiated curriculum / by Joseph S. Renzulli, Jann H. Leppien, and Thomas S. Hays ; with a foreword by Carol A. Tomlinson. (2000)

And she has this Carol Tomlinson
How to differentiate instruction in academically diverse classrooms / Carol Ann Tomlinson. (2015)
*

So I am getting dazzled. One the one hand you have a Gifted Movement that says you have to have separate classes. And then you have the Anti-Tracking advocates like Oakes, who say that you can't have any tracking and that it is always racist and classist.

But then we have someone who talks about how to do tracking that Oakes concedes would not really be tracking. Its just that no one does it that way.

And then you have this Joseph Renuzulli and Carol Ann Tomlinson who say that the needs of the gifted should be met in regular classrooms!

So these two developments have totally broken open the seeming standoff.

I have much more to read. But this is challenging some of my views.

In my experience is is not Latinos and Blacks who bring in a bad attitude, it is a lot of Whites. And the real problem is always the parents, not the kids.

SJG


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So Andy Gamoran has looked at various ways of doing tracking, and some are worse than others.

Most of all he wants greater mobility between tracks, and for there to be more students taking the high track classes.

He wants better instruction in the low track groups. He wants regular assessment of student abilities. and this new information to be used in making assignments. He does not want students to be locked in, especially to a low track.

He wants schools to offer tutorials during the school year and the summer so that students can make up what they have missed by being in a low track class.

And so Oakes endorses this. She says that such type of tracking would not cause the problems it does, but it also would not be tracking either.

She does cite some school reforms that did create high quality low track classes, but the all acknowledge that this is very difficult.

But she shows that the tracking reflects deep cultural and political tensions in American Society.


I would introject that I had know a retired school teacher from the CA central valley. Named G.. He was very smart in some areas and sort of New Agers. But he was also a piece of work. He had extreme racist and classist attitudes. And he told me that he had been the Gifted Teacher for the 6th grade.

I had gotten him into a kind of a job. But then some years later I also helped to run him out of it and to run him out of town. And now finally, RIP.

SJG

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I try to relate all of the above to my own experience. Hard to make sense of it any otherway. If found 98% of school to be just a low security prison. It wasn't until I was well into my second year of college that I found that what was being taught was no beneath me, and so I saw that it was finally worth it to me to try and apply myself.

I mentioned on shining exception, the time our 4th grade teacher separated us into math groups and the top group got to learn about set theory and then geometry

I know that back the the school was trying to adapt to the New Math and it was having a hard time.

I think that kind of an idea, especially based on Set Theory had to have come from the Bourbaki group.

But more importantly, you could not have done that with the whole class. They would not have been able to follow it, and really they would not have cared. You would be trying to teach them things which had no social relevance to them, and it would not have been relevant to the parents either, and I think that is the key.

So now we have an organization committed to the premise that the needs of the Gifted can be met in regular class rooms.

I have seen that with the vast bulk of the population you can only get them interested in things like that if the see it as part of path to college and to high wage employment.

And while people may want that, that is still too too limited a way of looking at things. We no not live by striving to meet goals. We live by what we find to have intrinsic value.

And then I also gave the example of the material in the book about Rocketry and the teach showing me how the math worked by showing me how to derive the General Quadratic Solution.

The vast majority of children and adults would take no interest in anything like that. If any its back to that goal of college and high wage employment.

And that high wage employment if probably just getting credentialed to be a bureaucrat.

SJG





SJG

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Jeannie Oakes
Keeping Track
2005 2nd ed


Talks about this AVID program program for high schools and the extremely good college graduation results it gets with low income Latino and Afro-Americans.

Talks about this Futures program. Students produced original research, became research collaborators, rather than simply subjects, in our study.

"
These classes, supports, and summer seminars were sustained from grades nine through twelve, during which time the students presented their research to a broad array of critical audiences: school and community groups, civil rights attorneys, graduate students and faculty at several universities, and directors of college access and university outreach programs. (colleges, especially the private ones, would roll out the red carpet for such kids )

Initially, the Futures students associated their courses, their status at school, and their treatment by teachers with their track placements, and they had taken this status to be a natural and inevitable outcome of their personal worth. This changed as they studied these phenomena and drew connections between their personal experiences and the structures, practices, beliefs, and politics that sustain or disrupt patters of inequality in the schools.
"

Then goes on to delineate the outstanding results.

"
Social and cultural reproduction theorists help us understand the ever-present toxicity. American public schools mirror a highly inequitable economy. For the past century, at least, schools have provided students with separate, different, and unequal schooling schooling experiences as was seen to be appropriate for that economy. Citing students' differential merit, differential schooling has been deemed to be both fair to students and compatible with democratic capitalism. After all, as adults, students will occupy very different positions in the highly differentiated workforce.
"

"
Detracking schools, then, challenges not only school structures but also the broader economic and class structures that are foundational to tracking. These schools venture out ahead of more cautious reformers, testing the safety of our social atmosphere. They challenge deeply rooted values and assumptions about merit and fairness, and they disrupt the accepted distributional patters of educational resources and opportunities. As they do, they become vulnerable to stifling cultural and political pressures. Their victories, like the canaries' singing, help the rest of us know what is possible in our democracy.
"


"
In doing so, they parted company with those warning of the damage that would be done to high-achieving students in mixed-ability classes. In part, the discourse about gifted students requiring separate classes has softened with a growing consensus that mainstream class rooms with accommodations probably provide the best settings for most students with special needs. In part , as IQ has become discredited as a single criterion for identification of giftedness, and as a wider range of more relevant criterion for identification of giftedness, and as a wider range of more relevant criteria are included, "gifted" students themselves are becoming a more heterogeneous group both racially and in the type and range of their skills.
"

"
I part however, the research and discussion on detracking have resonated with those researchers of gifted education who have looked carefully at the evidence about the harms of tracking and the potential benefits of mixed classrooms.
"


So this Laura Miller has children in the Enriched Program, and she is a teacher of "regular" students. "Miller was unhappy with the cliquishness and an uninspired academic curriculum that her own "enriched" children experienced at school, and she was enormously saddened by the disheartened and self-deprecating attitudes of her regular students, who she saw as far more capable than they saw themselves. In her search for better pedagogy , Miller regularly attended summer workshops on Gifted Education at the University of Connecticut. There, she learned that neither ***** rigidly exclusionary grouping practices nor stodgy, enriched curriculum in the special district program conformed to the best thinking in gifted education. A gifted educator from another state first suggested to her that gifted youngsters could be served better in high-level, heterogeneous classrooms - a message she brought back to *****."


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So here I have talked about how hard it is to get people to seriously think about mathematics
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7896…


And above talk about how the Anti-Tracking Movement and some of the Gifted Movement want to have heterogeneous classes in school and to have no tracking.

And here Thomas Cuthbert talks about the effects of these commercial stupidity computer programs:

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minimum-seeking methods are often used when a modicum of thought would disclose more appropriate techniques. They are the first refuge of the computational scoundrel, and one feels at times that the world would be a better place if they were quietly abandoned. ... The unpleasant fact that the approach can well require 10 to 100 times as much computation as methods more specific to the problem is ignored -- for who can tell what is being done by the computer?
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And so here on these thread I talk about what Cuthbert is saying and how I can relate to it.
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=6107…

https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7645…

It isn't just teaching math in schools which is hard, it is getting adults to relate to it, and to actually use their heads and not be stupid.

SJG

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Maybe there just have to be outside math programs for kids. Except they aren't really programs, and they aren't really even schools, and certainly not in anyway credentials. They are just Math Clubs. And they aren't tracked, they are just for who over wants to participate.

This way they should not attract the attention of pushy parents or of STEM Program promoters. They won't have any kind of legitimacy so they won't attract that kind of attention. They really should be as painless as possible.

Anyone who actually wants to learn will be able to. I am sure of that. It is just in the context of school that this is screwed up.

SJG

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I wrote before about the anti-tracking advocates who say that this is better for everyone, including the upper track and the gifted track.

I read it but I still have reservations about it, mostly because most of the population has a very limited interest in mathematics. They only take it seriously if it is part of completing a college degree, and then they will purge their memory banks afterwards. And I actually think this is worse among adults than it is among children, even the low track kids.

So I had suggested a Math Club, where kids and everyone could learn all the math they want. It would not be a school, not a program, not accredited. So it would not attract the attention of Ambitious Parents or STEM Program Promoters.

But I can hear the response now, "If you let kids learn all of this math, then they won't listen when they are in school".

Well yeah, I guess that is my idea. Tell the school to fuck off.

Can all kids be gotten interested in math? I don't know, but I do think that if it were approached in a different way, that it would be a lot better than it is today. And I think adults could use more math too.

I related the story of how in the 7th grade I was trying to follow a derivation in a book about rocketry whereas you could predict the height a rocket would reach by calculations. But you had to do it for small time steps, like maximum 0.1 seconds.

You did not have to solve any quadratics to do these calculations, but the derivation was based on solving a quadratic. The book did not explain this. So I was trying to use algebra to follow it and I came to something which had x and x squared, and I could not solve it.

I asked my teacher, he saw what the problem was and he told me he was going to show it to another teacher. And so at the end of the day he took me too this other teacher and he showed me how to derive the general quadratic by completing the square. So you have something like (x + a) squared.

From that you can get a general solution.

I was blown away, and that has resonated with me ever since.

But now I think about having formally learned about such things in 9th grade Algebra. It was the college preparatory track, but it was not an accelerated track or an AP or Honors Track, and it was not a Gifted Program. I don't know if they even had these things.

Anyway, so we learned to factor quadratics. And then we learned to do it where the x squared coefficient is not 1. That introduces a whole lot more possibilities. But you can see that the problems are rigged so that they come up as integers. If you tried it with floating point numbers you could not ever get to a result. And if you introduced fractions, factoring both numerator and denominator, the possibilities would multiply up again, but it still doesn't really fit the bill for real world problems.

So you need the general quadratic, and we did eventually derive it. But I now think there was way too much time spent factoring these integer cooked up examples.

I try to read more coming from these anti-tracking proponents. One of the keys does seem to be that you will have kids in the same class room who are not working on the same material.

So with that, and with the Math Club hypothetical, I have talked about the variable types found on something like an HP-48 calculator. Could there be more? Well yes certainly their could, and object oriented computer languages are where you are encouraged to make your own variable types and make the methods for accessing them.

So making some around the eigenvalues of a differential equation comes to mind.

For a polynomial there are only so many roots, and when it is the characteristic equation of a matrix it is the same.

But with the Schrodinger Equation for Quantum Mechanics there are an infinite number, going up to higher and higher energy levels.

With the basic Schrodinger Equation for an electron around a nuclei, there is just one quantum number, energy. But then there have been key experiments which show that there have to be 4 quantum numbers, and this is what finally agrees with what is seen in the Periodic Table of Elements and which agrees with observed material properties.

But to understand this you really need computer software which you can play with and which can render 3D surfaces into 2D.

And it is not just the elements in the periodic table, it is the compounds which are important, and then it is solid materials in crystalline form for which quantum mechanics is important. They want to make more and more exotic semiconductors, and using more and more exotic methods of fabrication. And they want more and more extreme magnetic materials, and for this you do want high angular momentum.

Physical Science always depends upon understanding complex mathematical relations. Otherwise it is just buzz words, advertising slogans. And the tech sector is dominated by people who can only think this way.

Solid State Physics problems involve molecular orbitals, and there is this Walter Harrison theory of Linear Combination of Atomic Orbitals. There are other things. And then more and more people are working to get quantum mechanical solutions accounting for electron to electron interactions.

All of these things can be explored, but you have to build up a base of computer software with which to do it.

Today this can be open source software which is shared.

So would a Math Club work, or could ordinary school be something like this?

Well of course you can have all manner of books, paper and digital.

You can have video lectures. Usually there the problem is in following what is being written on the back board. And this is very important. If you cannot follow and replicate the derivations, then you do not understand it.

So this could be done with special computer software which has the video and the audio, but also a box for what is being done on the back board. But this material on the black board could be developed by rehearsing the lecture several times before live audiences, and it could computer type set. And then when you watch, it is uncovered line by line. But you can if you want stop the video feed and just uncover all of it.

And people could write commentary and supply extra lines which help make the derivation understandable.

Could kids learn this? Yes of course they could. Could they all learn this? I think the issue is just that it is getting into something for which they have no social context.

Jeannie Oakes said that these untracked school experiments challenge school teachers and administrators. But more than that they challenge deeply held ideas about race and class in the entire adult community. It is the parents and it is the community leaders.

I need to learn more about all of this, but I think school at all levels could be far better than it has been.

SJG

Are these two songs the same?

Peter Frampton - Do You Feel Like We Do (Live in Detroit)
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Are these two songs the same?

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This is just great:

John Coltrane - My Favorite Things (1961) (Full Album)
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So continuing with Jeannie Oakes and the Untracking work.

"
Detracking schools, then, challenges not only school structures but also the broader economic and class structures that are foundational to tracking., These schools venture out ahead of more cautious reformers, testing the safety of our social atmosphere. They challenge deeply rooted values and assumptions about merit and fairness, and they disrupt the accepted distributional patterns of educational resources and opportunities. As they do, they become vulnerable to stifling culture and political pressures.
"

There is a group in this that they referred to as the "Mothers of Excellence", resisting any and all detracking.

About one school,

"
If you're in the 'haves' group, it's one of the best places in America to go to high school. If you're in the 'have nots,' it's like a lot of places -- it's full of failure.
"

"
As one teacher put it, "The teachers I most connect with are the ones who really sense that we can't afford to waste anybody. We just can't afford to say that we have this group of kids [the high achievers] that will carry us. You know, they'll be our leaders. ... I'm convinced we don't live in a world like that anymore. We can't afford to lose those [other] kids.
"

SJG

Highway to Hell - Jeff Healey
https://youtu.be/U5Qb-6Qkmlw?t=1647

I remember that by Senior Year in high school there seemed to be a class solidarity and an understanding that we would finally act like adults, which I had not seen before.

Jeannie Oakes:

Fear of Blight, White Flight

I need to read much more about all of this to really take a firm position.

SJG

I have said before that one of the best things in school for me was SRA.

https://www.mheducation.com/prek-12/prog…

Not sure who originally developed it.

But you start with reading circles, and kids need that because language is first aural. And so there are reading circles and they have to be of modest size, so there are more than one of them and they are ability grouped.

But after that you can get into SRA.

It came in one file folder sized box with everything. Something for the teacher to put into their grade book, and info for scoring the quizzes.

So they get you into one of the color coded levels. Then for your level you get out of the box a selection to read for your code level.

They you answer the questions on a multiple choice quiz and bring it to your teacher.

Based on your scores on a couple of these you could be moved up or down a level.

Kids who read a lot at home will quickly graduate from the highest level, so they can just read regular books.

If you could teach math and science this way I think it would be great. You could have video lectures, lots available, and you could back this up with text books, and then you could have computer programs to do things with, and eventually kids could partake in the development and sharing of these programs.

I think it would work and it would be great.

As far as what kids will go for, I think it is cultural, and this does correlate to SES and race somewhat. But school can help broaden the kids.

They say that for gifted kids, if you can select schools and are interviewing teachers, you want teachers that are committed to and practice lifelong learning.

I think this is best for all teachers, and really for all people. But I think most people have just been turned off.

For me, once I got out of college it was like I can really start to learn now, on my own, for the first time. And this is how it has been.

SJG

Will Smith
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/will…

Yardbirds Anderson Theater 1968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1cxmRA4…

Ice-T and wife Coco Austin
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/13…

So Jeannie Oakes makes a pretty compelling case that vocational schooling tracks were developed to keep low income and minority children from aspiring to universities.

She does not say this, but I would say that striver programs are set up for the same reason, like Financial Literacy themed programs and motivational programs. Someone on this board has talked about Junior Achievement. I would say that this most definitely applies to this. You don't see students reaching for elite universities and the doors that such opens, in this striver themed stuff.

Oakes brings out some pretty proactive and widely circulated references:

Schooling in capitalist America : educational reform and the contradictions of economic life / Samuel Bowles and Herbert Gintis (1976)
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Learning to labour : how working class kids get working class jobs / Paul E. Willis (1977)
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Interesting. I can see this. I still need to see more of how the needs of the top track and gifted children can be met in heterogeneous programs. Oakes and some others contend this. And this runs contrary to the orthodoxy of the gifted movement, but some go along with it and feel the heterogeneous classes can be better.

I need to read more. But I have to ground this in what I have seen and experienced.

Introductory Physical Science, or IPS, I think this still exists. It is a hands on lab class, probably for the 8th grade. It is pretty good. They have replaced ring stands and Bunsen burners with peg boards and alcohol lamps, keeping the costs down.

It is good, but I think it could be better with computer software that you can put your lab data into and then get a printout of the analysis the software did.

But could it work for the lower track kids? They might need some extra help to catch up, but that is what these authors want, optional extra hours and summer program. If you gave them that quality of teaching all the time, I agree with Oakes, there would not be a lower track.

But I think there is still a problem, the social contextual problem. Especially what it comes to things more abstract like math, you are teaching kids stuff which the parents have no knowledge of. And the parents may not want the kid to be aiming for college, especially not an elite college or an an academic or scientific career. They many not like costs. They may feel jealous of the kid, having been frustrated at some point in their own education. And in general frustrated and jealous of anything which is not bureaucratic and striving to get ahead.

And these issues are certainly not limited to minority or low income families. I think they are more common than not across the board.

http://www.sempcoinc.com/ips.html

https://www.amazon.com/Introductory-Phys…

http://jfkmiddle.sharpschool.com/cms/One…

https://sites.google.com/a/bwscampus.com…

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Another one of the voices in the Untracking Movement

Crossing the Tracks
How "Untracking" Can Save America's Schools
by Anne Wheelock, forward by Jeannie Oakes
1992

SJG

Crossing the Tracks
How "Untracking" Can Save America's Schools
by Anne Wheelock, forward by Jeannie Oakes
1992

Wheelock in in Massachusetts, and it is a most interesting book!

It is challenging things I have always assumed to be true. The soil of America is made from the idea that families have to live in well-off neighborhoods if they want there to be good schools. Doesn't matter how much money is put into the schools or what policies of plans they have, it is believed that you can't have good schools unless you have well-off White people.

So Wheelock does a good deal to dismantle this, though I have to read more to really understand this. And she dismantles what the Orthodoxy of the Gifted Movement wants and believes is necessary, separate classes. Some in the Gifted Movement now reject this, they want the needs of the Gifted to be met in regular classes. So I have much more to read.

page 13

"
Educators today also know more about the nature of human intelligence itself. Although no one would be foolish enough to claim that everyone enters life with identical abilities, it is clear that intelligence is not fixed forever at birth. Human beings can become intelligent and can learn intelligent behavior; what students derive from the classroom depends to a great extent not on an "I.Q. factor" but on academic environments that equip them to use their intelligence as lifelong learners, citizens, parents, and workers. Moreover, intelligence grows as students are challenged to apply learning in setting where they interact with others who have strengths different from their own.
"

And I had always made it clear that I had reservations with the Gifted Movement and did not really take it straight.

SJG

Crossing the Tracks
How "Untracking" Can Save America's Schools
by Anne Wheelock, forward by Jeannie Oakes
1992

pg 30, middle school which had untraced is saying:

"
... explained the school's core beliefs and described hurdles to their implementation: society's belief, shared by children, that intelligence is synonymous with speed, and a fear of improvising and venturing opinions on the part of the children concerned with not getting the right answer: He asks how many parents have heard themselves or others say "He seems to do this effortlessly," as if to discount hard work, or "My brother is the smart one. I had to work hard for my grades," as if to imply that working hard at something is a sign of limited intelligence.
"

I can understand and relate to what he is saying. I grew up hearing stories of highly intelligent people and it was never about what they did by working hard, it was always about how effortlessly they did things. And at some point I realized that that was not good. Doing things effortlessly means that you are not being challenged.

Now the Gifted Movement always says that the problem with the gifted is always chronic underachievement, and learning how to get by with just doing nothing.

I did not engage with school until well into my 2nd year of college.

Now here on page 29, Wheellock is quoting people from some of these schools that are detracking. They talk about this California Test of Basic Skills (CTBS), which sound like it is some type of IQ test.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California…

https://home.pearsonvue.com/cbest

Now they are talking about the Gifted Program, and the nominal requirement is a CBEST score for an IQ of 130. I would point out that they say that on an individual IQ the scores can be as much as 10 points higher, and getting into those kinds of numbers, that makes a big difference.

But here they are talking about who should be in the Gifted Program, and they also are looking at some achievement scores. They had 26 in Gifted Classes out of 250 students. But just on the basis of these scores, they still found that they would need to enlarge the Gifted Program to make room for 55 students.

And this jibes with what I have seen, that a lot more students could do well in such programs if the opportunity were offered to them.

Then on page 76, we've got some of the common questions about detracking:

"It seems to me that mixing groups of students together is going to hold back the learning of the smarter students."

And from the Albany CA school district we have some answer:

They talk about a child needing to explain their reasoning to another child, a group of students figuring ways to measure the length of a hallway and the height of the building.

And they talk about kids in the heterogeneous programs doing better in reading and writing.

**************

I still have a lot more to read to really understand this, but I have become very skeptical. The idea that the most capable kids do better with heterogeneous class rooms seem dubious. I think it depends on what you expect. I you are looking to kids as being future community organizers, then being good at talking to everyone would be important.

But is that what the objective is. Suppose you started with the premise that the top kids will complete doctorates the physical sciences or mathematics and will more quickly to make original contributions?

How does this untracking help?

The Gifted Movement talks about high schoolers being able to go to the community college and take classes, mostly math. And they sometimes talk about being able to take even the first two years of college math while still in high school, and even having these courses offered by the community college on the high school campus.

How do they feel about that, is that the same as tracking?

I though high school Chemistry and Physics were a waste, completely beneath me. If we could have had college classes, that would have been totally different.

And then what about these AP classes, which seem to be becoming more common. Wheelock says that very few have completely untracked, and some are keeping the AP classes, as required by local district rules, or by law.

Are these really the same as college classes?

And then with the Gifted Movement there has always be the practice of skipping a grade or two. They call this acceleration. And it remains controversial. How does Wheelock feel about it.

And then we have someone on this forum whom they wanted to have complete high school and go on to college at age 16. How do the untracking advocates feel about this?

I have posted on this forum about the author Chris Guillebeau. He was able to skip out on all 4 years of high school and go directly to college.

Now it turns out that the college limited him as to how many units he could take at one time. So he get simultaneously enrolled in three colleges, so he was able to complete his 4 year degree in 1 year. What do the untracking advocates think if that?

Just changing practices in high schools does not change our entire society.

So I am increasing skeptical of what they are doing.

I do agree though that the mid and lower tracks are worthless, just aging vats. So they have to be made better. But this amounts to making all high school college preparatory. There was an attempt to legislate this in CA too. It did not pass.

And some have said that the lower tracks and the vocational programs are all that kept them in high school.

I think this is complicated, but in trying to teach say college level math, you are going way beyond what there is a social context for in the lives of most adults. And so you are fighting against this.


SJG

Wheelock has a good sized section about teaching math. And she says that this is what they are slowest to detrack.

I read all this and I am not convinced. They don't seem to be going to an independent studies model. They seem to be upping the pace for the lower track kids, but otherwise it seems to be more cooperative learning.

This does nothing for those aiming to be in competitive science and math programs in well regarded universities.

SJG

Jeff Healey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Qb-6Qk…

You can't change the entire society just by changing how high schools work.

For some, college is just not in the cards. And money doesn't have to be the factor. Sometimes it is just cultural.

And then learning Math or Physical Science, that is even less likely for some.

When I say cultural, I mean that there is just not a social context for it. The adults see it is a meaningless. They don't know it and don't talk about it.

Sure, this is unfair. But just knocking out the upper track high school classes does not remedy this, it just makes it worse for everyone.

SJG

Crossing the Tracks
How "Untracking" Can Save America's Schools
by Anne Wheelock, forward by Jeannie Oakes
1992


Talks about "asking the right questions". And often parents really have no idea what is up. And this is more often true with minority and low income parents, as school authorities usually don't tell them about the various tracks.

Wheelock talks about 15 levels for each subject in most schools and sometimes as many as 20. I have never been aware of that. But I do see that in jr high and senior high, there were more levels and more tracking than I was aware of. And the middle and lower tracks really are worthless.

But Wheelock still has not convinced me that for the kids who can do college level work while in high school, that untracking would be better. The world in intellectually competitive, and so kids who are going to play in this, they need all the background prep they can get.

SJG

In Defense of Elitism - William A. Henry III (1995)
Now that is an author's name that seems authoritative on the topic, with so much disambiguation of it on Wikipedia.

https://www.amazon.com/Defense-Elitism-W…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_A.…

https://newcriterion.com/issues/2001/4/t…

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https://www.npr.org/2019/10/28/773999992…

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So Anne Wheelock talks about "Expecting the Best".

"Students from whom more is expected produce more; students from whom less is expected produce less, even when this result is not intended."

Wheelock talks about Jeannie Oakes and her husband Martin Lipton, tell, "of a high school that, after adding an 'honors' calculus class to its math program, found that student performance declined overall. With the establishment of a "top track," students and teachers alike came to assume that only students ranked at the top could achieve at the highest levels, and all involved expected less than before of those in the regular class."

I have to take some exception to this view. Our society is not egalitarian and it is not fair. You cannot change the entire society just by changing how things are done in high schools.

I do agree with Wheelock, Oakes, and Lipton that there are huge and necessary improvements in school middle and lower tracks. But when it comes to dumping the upper tracks I have to take exception.

Those in the upper tracks are probably planning on college, and they need to be well prepared to have any chance. These kinds of collaborative work projects will not give them what they need for many college majors. High school cannot be just a rite of passage to socialize. People need to be able to learn some specific and demanding things. And these are often very far outside the social realm of most of the students and adults.

I would suggest this. Maybe you do want to wipe out all tracking in high school and jr high. But you also want to have it so that while in high school a very capable student can also be taking college level class. So these count for college entrance, college prerequisites, and college graduation. It is done on the high school campus. It might also constitute simultaneous college enrollment.

And then while in jr high the most capable students should be able to be taking sr. high classes in the same manner. So thus you have eliminated tracking, but you have some who are moving into high school work and into college work very early.

I think what kids have an aptitude for is mostly just a matter of what they are exposed to.


Wheelock has a big chapter about teaching math, and she shows that it is the subject to be mostly likely tracked, and the one least likely to be untracked.

I would say that Chemistry and Physics should be treated this way. By the time I got to high school Chemistry and Physics I already knew quite a bit. So I considered it beneath me and I did no work outside of class time. If instead I had access to the college level classes at that age it would have been completely different.

Also, I had posted about about this IPS (Introductory Physical Science) program, and it seems pitched at the 8th grade. I believe that it still exists, unless they have come up with something better. I think it could be improved by letting students use computer software, open source software, to do curve fits and to present their lab data. Getting to do this as early as possible would be the best. Just classify it as high school science, and make it be open in the 7th grade.

SJG

Crossing the Tracks
How "Untracking" Can Save America's Schools
by Anne Wheelock, forward by Jeannie Oakes
1992

I have finished this, and I feel that it is completely wrong headed.  Now yes, the middle and lower tracks are just a total waste, and they could be improved upon greatly.  And how kids end up in those tracks is completely unfair.  It is mostly tied to race and socio-economic class.  The parents don't know what questions to ask and they are not told what options there are.  And they don't feel it right to push the school.

While these things need to be corrected, this does not make it fair to have the more advanced students having to do work which is way beneath their level.
Maybe the solution is to get it so the advanced students are simultaneously enrolled in college while they are in high school, and in high school while they are in jr high school.

They say that students make 5x the rate of progress in the top classes that students do in the lower tracks.  I have no doubt that this is true.

I think that by grade 12 you could have the more advanced students doing second or fourth year college math.  And they would know it like Math Majors, ready to do any proof at the drop of hat.  And it wouldn't just be algebraic proofs, it would also be geometrical, topological, and the kind involving limits for calculus.

But you could not ever expect to teach this to the general student population.  I don't know that the especially talented students have more innate intelligence.  It's just cultural.  For most students trying to teach them anything more than the most rudimentary math would be like trying to teach them classical music.  They just don't see it as relevant to anything.

And as we have seen on this forum, even those who have completed math intensive 4 year degrees will often not be using any math.  So how then can you expect high schoolers to take any interest?
And Wheelock and her people want students to learn that math is collaborative, communal.  Well, for the most part this is not true.  I remember in high school we participated a few times in a math competition.  There was no team roster, just the teacher invited a few people.  So we went.  It always looked like the problems, time limited, had no answer.  But eventually you could find it.  I believe that I always found it and the team did well.

I can't remember the teacher ever inviting a girl, or any of the other schools having girls.  But one time the teacher said that he wanted girls to be cheerleaders.  One of the girls pressed him about the propriety of this.  He said that they have cheerleaders for football.  But the girls just blew that off and I think he was getting out of line.

One guy I knew in college was in this special Creative Program, and he was taking a calculus class.  So I asked him what was different about it.  He said it was more creative.  So I asked him to elaborate.  He said, well your professor assigns you a book right?  Yes.  Well our's does not, we just all run up to him at the end and ask him if their is some book we can get to help us understand this.

And then often in class it ends up with every single student up at the blackboard trying to work out how to prove something.

Well yes, that kind of a class is collaborative, and that is how it should be.  But you could never expect the general population to go for something like that.

One of the things which comes over loud and clear from the Gifted Movement is that the parents have to be constantly advocating for the child, and teaming up with other parents to do this.  They fight for these more advanced and challenging classes, and for these college level classes.

I think this really is predicated on the child going to college.  And some parents might not like this.  They might be concerned about the money, or they might just want the kid out of the house, or they might be people who were frustrated themselves in getting a suitable education and so they don't want the child to get it any better.

SJG



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The Multiple menu model : a practical guide for developing differentiated curriculum / by Joseph S. Renzulli, Jann H. Leppien, and Thomas S. Hays ; with a foreword by Carol A. Tomlinson. (2000)

SJG

Joseph S. Renzulli and Carol A. Tomlinson are two in the Gifted Movement who say that the needs of Gifted Children can be met in regular classroons. Jeannie Oakes makes much of them.

But now after reading Anne Wheelock and seeing what the untracking people really believe, I am skeptical.

But still I have to read Renzulli and Tomlinson to see for myself.

SJG

Reflecting more on all that I have read from the Gifted Movement.

I think the whole idea comes from a commitment the parents make. I think it is this more than it is any innate intelligence. They are telling the child that it is good to use their powers of observation and rationality, and that this is appropriate.

But they are making a commitment to the child here. They are seeing that the child isn't going to be Homer Simpson. By the 12 grade they will be years ahead of the kinds of knowledge that most adults use.

So they are committing that the child will go to college, and that it will not just be a token degree, it will be enough of an education that they will be able to actualize their intellect.

Not all parents will really want this. Many will have just gone along with having a child to win approval, so that their own parents won't disinherit them, and to placate a spouse.

SJG

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I think the limits of intelligence are cultural, not genetic.

You might have parents who have been frustrated in their own education and who don't want the child to have it any better.

And they have not been able to actualize their own intelligence, they live by playing stupid, until they really turn into Archie Bunker.

And you can now see how that the Gifted Movement is saying is the total opposite of the Autism / Aspergers Hoax.

SJG

Wolfgang Ernst Pauli (1900 – 1958) was an Austrian theoretical physicist and one of the pioneers of quantum physics.

I read that Pauli was a "bona fide child prodigy". As a graduate student at the age of 18 he wrote a paper about relativity which got the attention of Einstein.

So is this really a good thing? I hear prodigy and I think about Mozart and Beethoven. Today we would recognize this as child abuse.

But with Pauli, he had to be in school anyway. And so he got to be over 4 years ahead. This was the only way he could be in class rooms with his intellectual peers, and it was the only way he could be learning new material everyday.

I don't think getting so many years ahead in school was really the objective. It isn't really that important. It is rather being with intellectual peers and learning new material, and then being with people who could be effective mentors, so that he can see that all that he is learning leads somewhere and is legitimate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_P…

SJG

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So I read about Wolfgang Pauli, "bona fide child prodigy". As a graduate student at the age of 18, writing a paper on relativity which drew the attention of Einstein.

I guess some would be able to do things like this, if they were given access to the right materials. And it wouldn't be just for one day or for one year, Pauli was at least 5 years ahead in his schooling. This takes time to pull off.

From what I read from the Gifted Movement I think this really starts with a commitment from the parents. And the Gifted Movement literature always makes advocating for the child central. They have to constantly be making sure that they are getting access to suitably challenging stuff, and not just being a target for teachers' criticisms.

And so the objective is not just getting ahead in school, the objective is learning at your potential, being in classrooms with intellectual peers, and hopefully to be finding mentors. And the parents obviously don't see school as a necessary exercise in socialization, an exercise in conformity, and necessary to teach their child that they never should try to use their abilities.

Now, I contrast this to the Autism/Aspergers/Neurodivergence Movement. And talking about this, as I see, it is entirely a Keyboard Koward affair. People don't throw casual talk about this around f2f. This is a diverse world, and you find all kinds of temperament in people. And if you don't want to end up on the Coroner's Autopsy Table, you don't throw eugenics terminology around.

But with the rise of the Internet, there has been a huge rise in talk about Autism. and in belief in it. So I read the Autism narratives and they always seem so similar:

1. Evidence of very high intelligence in both parents.
2. But those parents do not actualize their intelligence.
3. Instead they have learned how to get by in life by conforming to social expectations and by being part of the herd.
4. So at some level the child is an embarrassment to them, and they see the child as reflecting very badly on them.
5. An example written in a pro-Autism book: Son 18 months old, first time he encounters sand, at a lake park. He is fascinated with it and is down on all fours and he is picking the wet sand up in his fist and letting it dribble out between his fingers, and he is pressing his forehead down into it. The father is totally freaked out by what his son is doing. He is looking around to see if others are watching, and several times he picks the child up and moves him to try and stop him. Of course the father never considered doing exactly what his son was doing.
6. So soon it was the Yale Lab, started by a leader in the Eugenics Movement, and then it is the mother driving around franticly trying to make sure her son gets 40 to 50 hours of Applied Behavioral Analysis each week, and launching herself as a Autism Advocate by writing a book about this.

If Hans Asperger were not able to hide his affiliation with the Nazi's and the fact that he signed orders to have thousands of children euthanized, he likely would have been executed like a number of the other Nazi doctors.

Icey is designing a Neurodivergence Internment Camp tag. He needs to come up with the color and shape, and some have already been taken.
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7903…

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X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGf6YG_O…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kbDuaio…

I continue to read material from the Gifted Movement, and they all agree that the real problem for the Gifted is underachievement, just disengaging from school because it is beneath them.

I think for it to be otherwise there has to be suitably new and challenging material, and the child has to know that it all means something, that it will be part of their future life. And mos tof the time this will mean college, and just just a token sampling, probably a doctorate in a challenging subject.

Well this costs money, lots of it. And it may be alien territory for the parents. And they may not use that kind of knowledge themselves. And they may become jealous of the child.

But also the parents may have boxed the child in by discouraging high school interests in employment or entrepreneurship.

I think it really comes down to the parents committing to the child and standing behind them.

And then we also need free college and college debt forgiveness, and we have to take out of action the Fix My Kid Doctors and the whole industry of things like Autism/Aspergers/Neurodivergence.

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The Multiple Menu Model
A Practical Guide for Developing Differentiated Curriculum
Joseph S. Renzulli etal, Forward by Carol Ann Tomlinson
2000
https://www.amazon.com/Multiple-Menu-Mod…

What this book describes is interesting, and they do prescribe that there be college level textbooks available. It is a flexible multi subject curriculum. And clearly it is easier for students to engage with and better for students in the lower and middle tracks.

Renzulli and Tomlinson are the ones the Un-Tracking advocates cite as saying that common classrooms are better for the Gifted too.

This is hard to see evidence of. A child who is committed to graduate level studies in a competitive university would not even want to waste their time in these kinds of classes. They want to arrive at the university better prepared than any other students, and they want advanced placement. For them education is competitive, and they know what things they will need to know and what books show all of this. They will want to make progress everyday. This more cooperative program that Renzulli and Tomlinson are showing does not support this adequately.

other by these authors

Light up your Child's MindLight up your Child's Mind, Book
Finding A Unique Pathway to Happiness and Success
by Renzulli, Joseph S. (2009)
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Enriching curriculum for all students / Joseph S. Renzulli, Sally M. Reis (2008)

Differentiation for gifted and talented students / Carol Ann Tomlinson, editor (2004)

I have much more I must read.

SJG

Gifted Children and Legal Issues, An Update (2000)

Dr. Frances A. Karnes, Director of the Center for Gifted Studies at The University of Southern Misissippi.

Dr. Ronald G. Marquardt is Professor and Chair of the Department of Political Science at the University of Southern Mississippi. A specialist in constitutional and admnistrative law.

This pair had written 2 earlier books about such legal issues.

If you care about something, you follow the case law.

Legal issues means that some of this has ended up in court.

This means people are fighting for their gifted child in court.

This is the total opposite of the Autism / Asperger's Families where the parents find the child to be an embarrasment and want the child labeled and to be subjected to therapies which resemble dog training.

I read the book, because otherwise I will not know what they are talking about.

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Nirvana Reading 1992
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvwqSMRt…

Initial look at this it seems to involve lawsuits.  They don't talk about things which were settled through mediation, as those would not leave a record.  One was of a School Board which sued the State Budgeting Office.  The rest of the suits are all parents.  Some are federal. 

Some have tried to get 14th Amendment Protected Status for the Gifted and this has not worked.  Most of the suits are state and it is many many states.  Some are suits to get into programs, and others are suits to even get into a school. 

In one case a boy had gone to a private kindergarten, then his mother sued to get him into the public 1st grade.  The school required being age 6 by Sept 1.  But this boy was still 2 months short.  The school system's rules did allow exceptions to be made, but they wouldn't do it.  So the lawsuit.  Interesting way to enter the school system.  I get the impression that a lot of these suits do deal with things where administrators seem to have discretion.  And trying to get the courts to decide it often does not work.  I am surprised that there are that many parents who want to play this kind of hardball with the school system.

Not found anything in this yet which resonates for me, but I have just started with it.  Frances Karnes has written lots of books about Gifted Education.
They put this out under Gifted Psychology Press, "GPP", but though they never give this other name in the book, the GPP graphic is the same as is used with Great Potential Press.  Both are in Scottsdale.

https://educationaladvancement.org/grc/f…

In Pasadena CARuns its own school in Mississippi, though this might be just summer programs
This is the accrediting thing, Burlingame, CAhttps://www.acswasc.org/

So this was the death of Ronald G. Marquardt, Hattiesburg MShttps://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/hattiesburg…

https://www.usm.edu/news/2013/release/dr…

Okay, this Southern University of Mississippi is a public 4 year, with the main campus in Hattiesburg.

Now there is something here in the book which is interesting, it relates to college costs and divorce.
This resonates with the Rachel Canning case, Morristown New Jersey.  Parents threatened to cut her off because they didn't like her BF.  She sued to try and make them pay for the rest of her Catholic high school and for college.  The parents were not divorced and this was a closely watched case because there is stuff in New Jersey law which differs from other states and which could have won such a suit.  There was evidence that the parents behaved in a reprehensible manner, but the suit failed badly.

So here page 94:

"Divorces often occur when the children of the marriage are quite young and college expenses are not as momentous as who gets the house, car or other tangible goods.  Neglecting the issue of college costs in the divorce settlement, however, especially for the academically talented, is a serious mistake."

So we have Mcentire v. Malloy (1993)  And we have their son, Brook, 4yo when the parents divorced, who entered college at the age of 12 and who was on track to receive his BA at the age of 16.  They had a daughter too and the father said that there was no way he could afford the college costs of both children at same time.  This was in Arkansas.  These cases sometimes revolve around good faith oral agreements the parents had made.

There are others like this on in New York.

5 criteria the courts look at to determine if there are "special circumstances".
1) Educational background of the parents
2) environment in which the children were raised
3) expectations of the parents for their gifted children.
4) children's superior academic agilities
5) father's excellent financial status

And then there are cases dealing with Child Custody, Available Education Opportunities, Stable Education Environment, and School Choice.
This all gets into the finer nuances of family law.  I think this is far more interesting that parents suing a school district over purely procedural stuff.

And then Rachel Canning's case was handled by a divorce lawyer.

And this relates to Elliot Rodger, 2014 Isla Vista Shooter. 
Step Mother kicked him out of the house, but she was just reflecting that attitude of the Father.  Birth Mother took him in, but Elliot was still supposed to be spending his time looking for menial jobs.  None of his three parents had ever done anything like this.

Finally the Birth Mother hatched the idea of sending Elliot to UC Santa Barbara.  And she bought him the BMW.  But it was still all construed as Elliot was a problem to be solved.

As the father Peter would tell Barbara Walters, "He is the family enigma."

Elliot got screwed over when Peter took him out of ordinary high school and sent him to a school for "Troubled Boys".

In my opinion a commitment from the parents to college is the usually unstated issue behind this concept of Giftedness.  And it will often be an extremely accelerated college preparatory track.  Like above, starting college at 12yo, or Chris Guillebeau, starting college at 14yo, or Wolfgang Pauli, a Physics Grad Student at 18yo.

Without these accelerations it is just more years of herd socialization by bullying.

And this is all happening at a time when college is becoming extremely unaffordable, aide and scholarships seem to be drying up, and then we have this ridiculous predatory lending system.

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Antonin Artaudhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcekusIm6pQ

The Pretty Reckless - Take Me Down (Official Music Video)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Mom…

https://deathbyrockandroll.com/


School of Rock Gimme Shelter (real good!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwlRGS0x…
Stairway to Heaven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwpG4pe3…

A Nation Deceived: How Schools Hold Back America's Brightest Students (The Templeton National Report on Acceleration, Volumes 1 and 2) Paperback – January 1, 2004
by Nicholas Colangelo (Author), Susan G. Assouline (Author), Miraca U. M. Gross (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Nation-Deceived-B…

These are all mainline authors in the Gifted Movement.

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The reason that we have this Mental Health Industry and the Autism - Aspergers Industry is because we live in a society of advanced industrial and information technology, and so to uphold the Work Ethic and to keep the securities and real estate ponzi schemes going, we have to designate some of the population as scapegoats and pubic symbols and put them into medical internment camps.

The alternative would just be to have Universal Basic Income, Public Housing, and Medicare for All.

We are surrendering a sizable portion of our population to be scapegoats.
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7881…

SJG

The School of Rock plays Gimme Shelter with Special guest star Orianthi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwlRGS0x…

Talking about the coming mid-term elections, David Brooks talks about some sentiment against Democrats because of efforts to close Magnet Schools and Gifted Programs.

Brooks and Capehart on midterm elections
https://youtu.be/yBby11_XlMs?t=74

I am not accustomed to hearing these kinds of things discussed in political news.

Can I find any other news about this?

Looks like we get one free article from The Atlantic per day

The Left’s War on Gifted Kids
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc…

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc…

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/ar…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education…

https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politi…

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Yet across the U.S., blue-state educational authorities have turned hostile to academic testing in almost all of its forms. In recent months, honors programs have been eliminated in Montgomery County, Maryland, and Seattle. On Long Island, New York, and in Pennsylvania and Virginia, curricula are being rethought to eliminate tracking that separates more- and less-adept student populations. New York City’s specialist public high schools are under fierce pressure to revise or eliminate academic standards for admission. Boston’s exam schools will apply different admissions standards in different zip codes. San Francisco’s famous Lowell High School has switched from academically selective admission to a lottery system. At least a thousand colleges and universities have halted use of the SAT, either permanently or as an experiment. But the experiments are rapidly hardening into permanent changes, notably at the University of California, but also in Washington State and Colorado. SAT subject tests have been junked altogether.
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I've not taken a position, I am looking at these things because I want to learn and understand.

SJG

School of Rock Students Perform "California Dreamin'" by The Mamas & The Papas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlG-vN8i…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbnh5hFK…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQDa2j8W…

DresdenDoll01
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=9997

Trying to appraise and understand this:

"
Yet across the U.S., blue-state educational authorities have turned hostile to academic testing in almost all of its forms. In recent months, honors programs have been eliminated in Montgomery County, Maryland, and Seattle. On Long Island, New York, and in Pennsylvania and Virginia, curricula are being rethought to eliminate tracking that separates more- and less-adept student populations. New York City’s specialist public high schools are under fierce pressure to revise or eliminate academic standards for admission. Boston’s exam schools will apply different admissions standards in different zip codes. San Francisco’s famous Lowell High School has switched from academically selective admission to a lottery system. At least a thousand colleges and universities have halted use of the SAT, either permanently or as an experiment. But the experiments are rapidly hardening into permanent changes, notably at the University of California, but also in Washington State and Colorado. SAT subject tests have been junked altogether.
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Special programs don’t poll as well when the questions stipulate that many Black and Hispanic students would not qualify for admittance. But the programs’ numbers rebound if respondents are assured that students will have equal access to test prep. The New York Post reported earlier this year on an education-reform organization’s findings that almost 80 percent of New Yorkers would want to preserve selective testing at the city’s elite high schools if it were combined with free access to test-preparation coaching for disadvantaged groups. (The organization is supported by Ron Lauder, the cosmetics heir and Bronx Science graduate, and Richard Parsons, a former CEO of Citigroup and economic adviser to President Barack Obama.) The New York City Council is currently considering a bill that would fund just such test prep for all middle-school students. Adams, the city’s likely mayor-in-waiting, has proposed expanding the number of selective high schools and guaranteeing more spots to top middle-schoolers from across the five boroughs. His fund-plus-reform policing formula may have secured him the Democratic nomination. In the same spirit, coach-expand-test may meet the wishes of urban voting publics.
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But rather than expanding gifted programs, many self-proclaimed reformers are moving to shut them down, public opinion be damned. The intention behind the changes is equity. The result is to ignite a thousand local battles over race, class, and opportunity.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc…

SJG

McCaughey: Dems go on the attack against smart kids
https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/10/18/…

Attacking gifted education is bad policy and bad politics
https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/co…

^^ sounds like the current wave cam from this Fordham Insitute.

SJG

Groove Blue Organ Trio (Steve Smith/Tony Monaco/Vinny Valentino)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucUFxVA1…

19-YEAR-OLD SET TO BECOME YOUNGEST SMU LAW GRADUATE IN SCHOOL’S NEARLY 100-YEAR-HISTORY
https://www.becauseofthemwecan.com/blogs…

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Haley Taylor Schlitz was in the 5th grade when her parents realized traditional schooling wasn’t going to work for her. She struggled for recognition as a gifted student and her parents ultimately decided that homeschooling was the better option for her, giving her more time to learn at her own pace while pursuing the things she wanted to accomplish.


“Many girls and students of color are left out of our nation’s gifted and talented programs. Society will lose out on the potential scientist who cures a major disease, the entrepreneur who starts the next Amazon and so much more. All because of their gender and/or skin color,” said Taylor Schlitz.

At the age of 13, she was able to graduate from high school, going on to earn an undergraduate degree from Texas Woman’s University. At just 16-years-old, Taylor Schlitz was accepted into nine different law schools, making the choice to enroll at SMU’s Dedman School of Law. Since then, she has been extremely engaged around community and public policy discourse, sharing her thoughts in communities on Facebook and YouTube, serving as a mentor in the Young Scholar Program (YSP) which focuses on developing leadership skills in young Black girls, and working as a regular opinion columnist for sites like Blavity, The Grio, and Teen Vogue.
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And of course, in honor of the OP, and because Icey supports that, consider what would have happened to this Taylor Schlitz if her parents had thought like they do in the Autism Families. She would have quickly been turned into a basket case.

SJG

The School of Rock plays Gimme Shelter with Special guest star Orianthi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwlRGS0x…

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I wouldn't normally site this, Reason Magazine. But I am trying to appraise the full range of opinion here:
https://reason.com/2021/10/08/nyc-scrapp…

The Rise of the Gifted Kid Candidate

Several candidates in this year’s Democratic primary have branded themselves to fit this gifted kid archetype — namely, Pete Buttigieg, Elizabeth Warren, and Andrew Yang. These candidates have all combined degrees of policy wonkishness with a general nerdiness to win over the hearts of voters (to varying degrees). They have also each put their own spin on the gifted kid persona. Warren’s tactic of unveiling lengthy policy proposals (see her slogan: “Warren has a plan for that”), combined with her background as a Harvard Law professor, assures her status as a gifted kid candidate. Buttigieg’s resume — valedictorian, Harvard grad, Rhodes Scholar, U.S. Naval Reserve Officer, hometown mayor, etc. — looks like a LinkedIn algorithm running for president. Coupled with his poised demeanor and references to Ulysses, Buttigieg possesses all the cultural signifiers to be a top-tier gifted kid candidate. Lastly, former entrepreneur and underdog of the group, Andrew Yang, advocates for imposing a sort of business logic onto federal government, evidenced by his campaign selling merch onto which solely the word “MATH,” short for “Make America Think Harder,” is printed. Yang has also promised to deliver the State of the Union speech in Powerpoint. This crop of candidates has campaigned on using their legal, professional, or entrepreneurial proclivities to optimize government.
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So how do we end the gifted kids’ dominance? Maybe the answer lies not in replacing the gifted kids, but in replacing the pedagogy at the foundation of gifted education. In a paper titled “Paradigm Shifts in Gifted Education,” C. Owen Lo and Marion Porath describe the changing philosophies underlying the gifted education movement. In Terman’s time, Lo and Porath write, the defining paradigm shift was the “demystification” of gifted individuals through positivism, the idea that IQ could be quantified and studied. But now, research at the cutting-edge of gifted education has shifted its focus from identification (i.e. who can be gifted) to transaction (how one can be gifted). Lo and Porath identify a “growing distaste for identifying a special population who would traditionally be served in a gifted program” and a “growing interest in making education gifted.”

http://georgiapoliticalreview.com/the-ri…


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The School of Rock plays Gimme Shelter with Special guest star Orianthi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwlRGS0x…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wFt5Ygm…

You always want to keep your women in high heels and makeup
Desparks
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A Nation Deceived: How Schools Hold Back America's Brightest Students
Nicholas Colangelo, Susan G. Assouline, Miraca U. M. Gross

The Templeton National Report on Acceleration

Vol 1 of 2
2004

This is a large format book, but just under 70 pages. Authors are all long standing voices in the mainline Gifted Movement.

School acceleration has always be controversial for many reasons. These authors try to answer the skeptics.

SJG

The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - 2013 School of Rock AllStars Team 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we-3Y3vh…

So the three authors are talking about school acceleration, and they cite 18 forms of this. Mostly it seems to be:

1. Getting started in school earlier.
2. Skipping ahead in one or more subjects, or skipping entire grades.
3. AP classes.
4. Some colleges have online AP classes because some high schools don't have them.
5. Dual enrollment in high school and college at the same time.
6. Going directly to college earlier. Some talk about after the 10th grade, some as early as the 9th, or as early as the 8th.

These authors feel that with some students all of these are beneficial.

They point out that these forms of acceleration cost next to nothing. They are the lowest cost means of meeting the needs of the gifted.

And while some say that these are only for the wealthy, they point out that the wealthy can afford private schools and private tutors. Acceleration can be used with those at all economic levels and of all races.

Now, I add some take of my own. Acceleration has always been controversial. Some say that the child will be less mature than class mates when accelerated. But these authors say that for many acceleration puts them in the best place.

Some are against tracking in school and they say it is always completely unfair. Well, acceleration is one way to do it without tracking, sort of.

I had pointed out that Gifted Programs are not really supposed to be a top track. The Gifted are really just supposed to be a very small number of children who really stand out. And it is not supposed to be that parents are pushing them, and these authors are against such pushing, and they say so directly.

Usually for school programs they say Gifted is the top 2%, or sometimes 3%. But the original idea of Gifted would have it be a much smaller portion.

Jan and Bob Davidson, who I found a little bit off putting in their tone, they are well accepted within the Gifted Movement as evidenced by this book.

The Davidson's are talking about an IQ of 145, which is the top 0.7%.

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The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - 2013 School of Rock AllStars Team 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we-3Y3vh…

So you can't have special classes for only the top couple percent or less.

And the Gifted Movement seems to look to Leta S. Hollingworth, instead of Louis Terman. Well Hollingworth was talking about IQs of 180.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leta_Stett…

So unless you go to full independent study mode, you have to use acceleration. You can't have a top track for 1 in a million.

So the above book is The Templeton National Report on Acceleration.

John Templeton Foundation

Acceleration
Institute at the
Belin-Blank Center

http://www.accelerationinstitute.org/nat…

A Nation Empowered: Evidence Trumps the Excuses Holding Back America’s Brightest Students
Edited by Susan G. Assouline, Nicholas Colangelo, Joyce VanTassel-Baska, and Ann Lupkowski-Shoplik.


A Nation Empowered provides an update to the watershed work initiated by A Nation Deceived: How Schools Hold Back America’s Brightest Students.

So the first two authors are with

https://belinblank.education.uiowa.edu/

at University of Iowa, Iowa City

Second author Assouline seems focused on teaching Math and Science.

Third author, Gross, is in Australia. Though MENSA has its most members in the US, it had started in 1945 in Austrailia and she has been given an award by them. And the is the first non-Anerican to get the Leta Hollingworth Award.

SJG

this is quite interesting, Delaware
Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - Shine A Light - March 3, 2012 [Cover]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN59jPEz…

So all three of these authors are "Professor of Gifted Education". Before I started reading these books I had never heard of such a thing.

They are careful not to fault class room teachers, but they do find problems with Teacher Training Programs in that they don't do enough to cover gifted issues.

Speaking to a question about "social adjustment".

page 7:

"Although the evidence on social success in accelerated setting is not as clear-cut as the evidence on academic success, it is still much more positive than negative. Acceleration broadens the friendship group. Many gifted children gravitate to older children, so making friends becomes easier."

Now I want to interject my own take too. The gifted movement writers are in teacher training and school counseling. They have to moderate what they say. They cannot attack normalcy or the ideas which justify it. And most of the things around children's schooling are driven by reactionary people with reactionary ideas.

Some resources:

CSU Sacramento has an early entrance center, grades 9 thru 12.

Stanford has a distance learning program for Gifted Youth

Johns Hopkins has a Math and Writing program for Talented Youth.

And this is just a skimming of the programs. Lots of stuff about Math, Chemistry, and Physics.

This book is fully endorsed by the National Association for Gifted Children, by its President, and by its President Elect.

Hollingworth Center for Highly Gifted Children
https://hollingworth.org/

Like it said in the Paul Tippler book, Wolfgang Pauli, born 1900 Vienna, was a "bona fide child prodigy", by 19yo a Physics grad student and writing a paper about relativity which caught the attention of Einstein.

SJG

this is quite interesting, Delaware
Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - Shine A Light - March 3, 2012 [Cover]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN59jPEz…

so on page 7 they also try to answer objections to acceleration:

"It's bad to push kids. Teachers and parents see acceleration as hurrying children through childhood."

Response
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Acceleration is allowing a student to move at an appropriate pace. By worrying about hurrying, a chance is missed to match the enthusiastic, passionate, bright child who has the ability to move ahead with the right cirriculum. They ignore the bright student's rage to learn.
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I want here to interject my own take. I think in some of the top college prep and AP tracks the kids are being pushed. They are parent pleaser kids.

But the Gifted Programs are not supposed to be like that. A much smaller sample of kids who really stand out, and who otherwise would have no place in the school system.

I do think though that this raises issues with parents. Getting to college like 4 years earlier? There is in this a commitment being made to the child that they are not just going to graduate and then go on to work at Walmarts. There is a commitment that they are not going to be measured by peer culture standards, that they are going to go on to college, and that it will be a demanding program in a competitive university, and probably graduate school as well.

Now of course this is the exact opposite of the Autism Parents.

But even more their are likely to be high college costs. And all of this takes more years. And then there may be unresolved issues for the parents, issues of their own education and career path, and perhaps feelings of inferiority too.

Some adults get by in this world by playing dumb.

And some will have agreed to the project of having children just to placate a spouse or their own parents. Their real feelings may be quite mixed or worse.

Some parents play dump, some live by reactionary idiocy.

And then this gets far worse when you have white coats and Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy using the Autism - Aspergers Hoax.

SJG

Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - Shine A Light - March 3, 2012 [Cover]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN59jPEz…

So the three authors speak of the history of acceleration in America.

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

In earlier times there were many gifted younger students to be found in colleges and universities. They were prepared for this by tutors or in one room school houses. Before major corporations and large school systems became the norm, individualized education was standard practice.

The one-room school house let students learn at their own pace.

I would interject that in such an environment, ideas like Autism-Apspergers-Neurodivergence would not have made any sense to people and they would have been dismissed out of hand.

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The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - 2013 School of Rock AllStars Team 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we-3Y3vh…

As America's culture became more collective and standardized, one-room school-houses were replaced by schools that grouped students according to age instead of by ability or motivation.
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It also paralleled the American belief in the efficiency of the industrial model of organization.

What was lost was an appreciation for individual differences.

General Characteristics of Gifted Preschoolers

Early verbal ability
Strong mathematical skills
Long attention span
Early ability to reason abstractly
Early interest in time

Martin Luther King, Jr., the leader of the Civil Rights Movement and the recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, graduated from high school at the age of 15.

While the myth says that students who skip will rarely fit into society, the reality shows taht those very students tend to lead American society to greater heights. Young people who achieve their individual dreams are often the ones who inspire us to understand what our national dreams really are.

[ I would also again add that this is exactly the opposite of how they think in the Autism-Apsergers-Neurodivergence Hoax families.]

We have the Iowa Acceleration Scale and the IAS Manual, from Great Potential Press,

https://www.accelerationinstitute.org/to…

to help in deciding what it is warranted.

SJG

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A Nation Empowered, 88 page pdf
https://files.nwesd.org/website/Teaching…

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FACT!

pg 16

THe Boredom Factor

Students who ae carefully selected for early entrance to school generally perform very well, both academically and socially.



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By starting school early, an unchallenged child doesn't learn what it's like to be bored. Instead of finding out that school is easy and that he can succeed without having to work, a child who is placed in the right classroom, right from the start will learn that striving to improve is a wonderful part of learning.

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Many gifted students don't find friends among age-peers. They tend to be more emotionally and socially mature than their age-mates. Their ideas of friendship are different. Bright students may be looking for a rue friend to share thoughts and feelings, at an age when most kids see a friend as someone to play with.

For the child who is placed ahead because he is already ahead, there are rarely negative social consequences.

Students who are skipped are more likely to earn advanced degrees.


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Professor Julian Stanley of John's Hopkins University has studied testing and mathematically precocious students for over 60 years. One day he met a 12 year old who changed his life.

Junior high student, 12 years old, helping graduate students with FORTRAN.

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So at age 13 he started at Johns Hopkins. He took Physics, Computer Science, and Calculus. He did very well. By age 17 he had a BA and an MA from Hopkins.

In 1971 Prof Stanley got a $266k grand to help the mathematically talented.

Having them take tests, often SAT or ACT, or some other test (while in jr high school)

Started with one student, and then a dozen, by 1979 had 2000.

Started Johns Hopkins Center for Talented Youth (CTY)

CTY with its spin offs at Duke, Northwestern, and University of Denver serves 200,000 7th and 8th graders.

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pg 29

American high schools are becoming hiding places for a lot of untapped academic talent.

Advanced Placement

Dreamed up by Ford Foundation in mid 50's.

Gives a taste of college level learning.

Those who have taken one ap class have a 33% of completing a Bachelors Degree.

With two AP classes 59%

With three AP classes 76%

And 3 out of 4 who have taken one AP class will complete a Master's Degree within 15 years.


And I again emphasize that the central theme of the Gifted Movement is that students have to be challenged every day, and that Parents Have To Advocate For Them.

And this is the diametric opposite of what you find in the Austism Families.

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FACT!

The voices in the Gifted Movement are usually people involved in teacher training or school counseling, or they can even be licensed psychotherapists.  So the Gifted Movement advocates are generally not free to denounce Autism-Aspergers-Neurodiversity.

In an Autism family, Autism is their mythology.  So if you attack that you are declaring nuclear war on the parents.

But the gifted movement advocates still let you know.  Their position is that the parents are always to be advocating for the child, getting them the challenging education that they deserve.  This is the diametric opposite of how it goes in the Autism families, where at some level the parents consider the child to be an embarrassment, and they are looking for school and therapists to correct the child.

So lets look here to an old book. John Curtis Gowan taught at what would become CSU Northridge:

The education and guidance of the ablest / by John Curtis Gowan [and] George D. Demos. With a pref., by Charles Bish, and a foreword by E. Paul Torrance (1964)

A Nation Deceived: How Schools Hold Back America's Brightest Students
Nicholas Colangelo, Susan G. Assouline, Miraca U. M. Gross

The Templeton National Report on Acceleration

Vol 2 of 2
2004

So this second volume is three times as long as the first volume.

National Association of Gifted Children, positions on acceleration:

https://www.nagc.org/blog/too-many-schoo…

Mandating Access to Acceleration
https://www.nagc.org/blog/mandating-acce…

Ability Grouping and Acceleration Can Help Teachers and School Leaders
https://www.nagc.org/blog/ability-groupi…

https://www.nagc.org/resources-publicati…

https://www.nagc.org/blog/developing-aca…

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So the above work has lots and lots of references. But more than half are journal articles, and these are harder to get.

Now I just looked for one of the books, and it is not readily available.

There are books about the idea that children are twice exceptional. Once is for being gifted, and the second is for having a learning disability. Now this is interesting because the gifted movement writers are not really free to say what they think.

So looking out side of the above books refs I find:

Raising Twice-Exceptional Children: A Handbook for Parents of Neurodivergent Gifted Kids (2021)

Raising twice-exceptional children : a handbook for parents of neurodivergent gifted kids / Emily Kircher-Morris
Kircher-Morris, Emily, author. 2022
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https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Twice-Exc…

https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Twice-Exc…

I think the real meaning will be more in what this book does not say because the authors felt that they could not say that because that would be a direct attack on the parents, than in what it does literally say.

SJG

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Neihart, M. Reis, S. M.

The Social and Emotional Development of Gifted Children: What Do We Know?
by Maureen Neihart, Sally Reis, et al. | Jan 1, 2002

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=the+social+an…

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Differently wired : raising an exceptional child in a conventional world / Deborah Reber. (2018)

a book like this read critically will show, in contrast to the Gifted Movement books, how much nonsense Autism/Aspergers/Neurodivergence is.


The Social and Emotional Development of Gifted Children: What Do We Know?
by Maureen Neihart, Sally Reis, et al. | Jan 1, 2002

The social and emotional development of gifted children : what do we know? / edited by Maureen Neihart, Steven I. Pfeiffer, and Tracy L. Cross (2016 second edition)
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Raising Twice-Exceptional Children: A Handbook for Parents of Neurodivergent Gifted Kids (2021)
and this will show how absurd Autism/Aspergers/Neurodiversity is.

SJG

Raising Twice-Exceptional Children: A Handbook for Parents of Neurodivergent Gifted Kids (2021)
by Emily Kircher-Morris

https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Twice-Exc…

Okay, this book, now that I see it and scrutinize it a bit, its a bogus book.

This author is not a recognized Gifted Movement voice.

Rather she is a "Neurodiversity" Hoax and Mental Illness Myth author, and she is using the concept of Giftedness to promote these other two falacies.

If a Gifted Movement author were to talk about the idea of these Twice Exceptional Children and that being the Autism-Aspergers-Neurodivergence, then it would quickly become obvious that Autism-Aspergers-Neurodivergence is a hoax.

Okay, but Gifted Movement authors are all in Teacher Training, School Counciling, or Psychotherapy. Hoax or not, they are not free to directly challenge established orthodoxy. And in the Neurodivergence Families, that is their mythology. Telling them that it is bullshit is a direct attack on the parents.

The Gifted Movement and the Autism-Aspergers-Neurodiversity Hoax are incompatible. They are both operating in the same space, but coming from completely different perspectives. The Gifted Movement is the antithesis of the Austism-Aspergers Hoax.

And this author is not a Gifted Movement author, she is just someone who is trying to use that as a cover for doing something extremely malicious.

I would not be able to say this unless I had gotten the book in hand.

And above it is claimed that "Neurodivergence" is a woke term.

Well, Libertarianism is a completely bogus political doctrine. It is just a repackaging of the old Social Darwinism.

So yeah, Neurodivergence, Soical Darwinism, and Nazi Eugenics will be woke in some circles.


SJG

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Prufrock Press was a Gifted Movement publisher. But it has now become part of Routledge. So below is the angry message I just sent to Routledge.

SJG



Horrible Book! Parenting Twice-Exceptional Children by Emily Kircher-Morris

This is not a Gifted Movement author. She is an Autism-Aspergers-Neurodiversity author. She is using the idea of giftedness and the Prufrock Press name to promote her venom.

The Austism-Aspergers-Neurodiversity Hoax is just a repackaging of Nazi eugenics ideas. It is not compatible with the Gifted Movement.

Gifted Movement authors though tend to be in teacher training, school counseling, or psychotherapists. So they cannot say that Autism is nonsense. In the Autism Families, that is their mythology. And so to challenge this would be to declare nuclear war on the parents.

The Gifted Movement has no commonality with the Autism-Aspergers-Neurodiversity Hoax. It is the diametric opposite.

The Prufrock Press name never should have been on a worthless book like this.

Now being part of Routledge, I guess we have to completely write off the Prufrock name.

And if that is not enough, this book is a pedagogy manual. All that is is a set of instructions on how adults can use children for the own purposes. This is Autism-Aspergers, but the Gifted Movement has nothing to do with this.

Angry Reader!

Yeah, I found the extremely offensive book mentioned above, and so seeing that it came out because Routledge bought Prufrock, I sent them an angry message.

Now I have also written to a prominent Gifted Movement author. This is the first time I have ever attempted such a communication.

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Counterfeit Gifted Movement Book:

Raising Twice-Exceptional Children: A Handbook for Parents of Neurodivergent Gifted Kids (2021)
by Emily Kircher-Morris

I had assumed that this book, by talking about the Gifted Movement and the Autism-Aspergers-Neurodiversity Hoax side by side, would let one see how ridiculous Autism-Aspergers-Neurodiversity is. Gifted Movement parents are always advocating for their child, to make sure they get suitable course materials and that they are not being unfairly targeted by teachers with their own problems.

But we have the Austism-Aspergers Hoax because some parents have decided that their child is an embarrassment, and so they want doctors to validate this. It is a version of Munchausens Syndrome by Proxy. Autism-Aspergers-Neurodiverstity is not compatible with the Gifted Movement.

I see though that this book is not a Gifted Movement book. The author is not a Gifted Movement voice, and her references are not Gifted Movement. The author is part of the Autism Hoax, and she is just using the idea of the idea of Giftedness to peddle her venom.

Gifted Movement authors are in Teacher Training or School Counseling, or they are in Psychotherapy. Hoax or not, they are not free to directly challenge established orthodoxy. And the Autism Families have built a mythology of deficiency. Telling them that it is nonsense would amount to a declaration of nuclear war.

The Gifted Movement and the Autism Hoax operate in the same space, but they are mutually exclusive.

Prufrock Press was a Gifted Movement publisher. But it has now become part of Routledge. So I just sent them an angry message about this book and about what they have done to Prufrock.

Below is the angry message I just sent to Routledge:

"
Horrible Book! Parenting Twice-Exceptional Children by Emily Kircher-Morris

Kircher-Morris is not a Gifted Movement author. She is an Autism-Aspergers-Neurodiversity author. She is using the idea of giftedness and the Prufrock Press name to promote her venom.

The Autism-Aspergers-Neurodiversity Hoax is just a repackaging of Nazi eugenics ideas. It is not compatible with the Gifted Movement. Those promoting a disability based understanding want children to believe that they are perpetually in need of correction and remedial instruction.

Gifted Movement authors tend to be in teacher training or school counseling, or they psychotherapists. So they cannot say that straight out that Autism is nonsense. The Autism Families have built up a mythology of deficiency. And so to challenge this would amount to a declaration of nuclear war.

The Gifted Movement has no commonality with the Autism-Aspergers-Neurodiversity Hoax. It is the diametric opposite.

The Prufrock Press name never should have been on a worthless book like this.

Now being part of Routledge, I guess we have to completely write off the Prufrock name.

And if that were not enough, this book is a pedagogy manual. All that is is a set of instructions on how adults can use children for the own purposes. This is Autism-Aspergers, but the Gifted Movement has nothing to do with this.

Angry Reader!
"

SJG

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So Prufrock Press is a real Gifted Movement Publisher.

Or at least it used to be. Once it was absorbed by Routledge, not sure yet. The above book was a worthless Medicalization and Munchausen's By Proxy book.

Okay, but here in front of me is a Prufrock book before Routledge.

The Social and Emotional Development of Gifted Children (2016)
ed by Neihart, Pfeiffer, and Cross.

https://www.amazon.com/Social-Emotional-…

And this is an update to one they came out with in 2002.

And this is also supported by the National Association for Gifted Children.

Now the book covers lots of territory, but lets start here


Steven I. Pfeiffer
Serving the Gifted: Evidence-Based Clinical and Psychoeducational Practice (2013)
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https://www.amazon.com/Serving-Gifted-Ev…

Now, they introduce the established concept of the Twice Exceptional, Gifted and with Learning Disabilities. And though they don't come out and say it directly, they do still largely dismantle the fallacy of Autism-Aspergers

SJG