Arizona just authorized community colleges to offer 4 year degrees in specific areas. Nursing, education, etc. Total tuition for 4 years is $10,000. No political indoctrination like ASU and U of A.
The simple fact is that once the Federal Government got fully involved in student loans and began "forgiving" them, college costs rocketed. Greedy schools, immature recipients, no government oversight = failure.
In the 1960s when universities had even more government oversight they were practically free. Very cheap. Tbe problem is the corporatization of education. Ie the private sector trying to profit off it via student loans et
United States Government-backed student loans were first offered in 1958 under the National Defense Education Act (NDEA), and were only available to select categories of students, such as those studying toward engineering, science, or education degrees.
The program expanded in the late 1960s and showed signs of trouble in the 1980s.
Someone I know taught as an adjunct for a while and got fired for not dumbing his classes down. The chair told him that students deserve customer satisfaction for their money and he wasn't providing it. And it wasn't an easy or useless dept
Yep, if they can keep you for the full ride to a doctorate in whatever that is 8 years at least depending I think on the career field. And since the government foots the bill for pretty much anything the incentive is to get them and keep them. Luxury dorms, great food, beautifully landscaped campus, and the constant feeling that you are excelling.
The other thing corporations and the government did was to make Bachelor's degrees the new HS diploma. How many places want at a bare minimum a BS or BA degree, but would really prefer an MA or MS? How many people think they HAVE to get one or they will be nowhere in life?
So if you grade a little too high above the average, you are being mean and destroying their chance to get a good job. It's almost like the idea of excellence over mediocrity as a virtue has faded away. More important is that you have checked the right boxes...
One thing I think I learned in college was how to write better. Seemed like I had to write a 10 page paper every week. I definitely learned how to type.
Besides that I partied, played rec and club sports, and chased girls. Really fun but what I probably really needed was a stint in the Marines.
Then, there’s affirmative action. Set much lower requirements for admission, meaning they are unable to do the work needed for STEM majors. Set up general studies majors with softer course requirements so they are able to graduate. Find themselves $200,000 in debt with a degree that gets them a job as a barista.
Trying to get as many into college as possible and making a bs/ba the new high school diploma also became a way to artificially deflate unemployment stats
I was in college 20 years ago and my last year I think my tuition was a little over $1k a semester. Instead of graduating in debt I had savings from my 2 part time jobs. My nieces and nephews are going to graduate with god knows how much debt and worse job prospects than I had.
I have a niece and nephew that may take advantage of the new free community college for their first 2 years of school then transfer when they pick a major. Probably a good idea especially if it’s “free.”
If only I knew what I know now. I have a buddy that went into the Air Force as soon as he graduated high school. Got his degree for free in the Air Force, worked as an assistant in the operating room. Retired with full pension before he turned 40, now works in the private sector doing the same job while drawing a pension at 40!!!! Oh and the kicker, he never was stationed anywhere there was a conflict during his entire military career.
This speaks to the very liberal nature of folks who decide the courses in our colleges. They have changed the model from rigorous academics and courses to prepare students - to pie in the sky garbage.
When I was in college - I enjoyed the courses taught by professionals who worked in business and had real world knowledge. I couldn’t understand some of the garbage the aging academics spewed - as their knowledge was not pertinent.
I think there are far too many useless majors - without any real world use. They simply fund the coffers of universities while providing students with useless degrees.
As a college freshman - taking the traditional freshman composition course - I wrote my semester long paper on the SAT’s. I researched the tests and I researched the real world - and I drew my conclusions - and produced a well written final product. My thesis was - Are the SAT’s biased - do they favor students who are white and from privileged upbringings. My conclusion was where I got myself into trouble - and it provided a valuable lesson learned. I concluded the exams were not biased - but societal factors are the cause of lower scores for certain demographics - and the exams provide an accurate real world view as society has biases as well. My professor hated everything about my conclusion! I learned that liberals are very accepting as long as you agree with them!
A buddy of mine went with his son to a college fair. Several college reps told them you hardly ever have to pay back your loans. They said there are all kinds of government programs so you don't have to. He got the same basic story from all of them. This is why students are in shock when they have to pay back their loans.
I just read the OP article. Holy crap! SMH on so many levels. POC are "underrepresented" int the "sport" of rock climbing? So we need a university course to help "correct" that? To help the POC feel more inclusive in the "sport"?
Is a way to get easy credits for students that need a GPA boost (POC or otherwise)? Even though the Ivy League does not have "athletic" scholarships, wanna bet there are lots of athletes in that class?
I remember in school that all the freshman easy A 1 hour survey courses were filled with football players. Athletes suddenly left for the pro's when the school ran out of classes that they could pass. they would have half the credits needed to graduate, but were almost as far from their degree as when they walked in the door.
So this has now expanded to all students. We don't care if they will ever get a degree. Keep them paying tuition for as long as possible by giving them lots of easy and fun courses to take.
Skibum said, "The simple fact is that once the Federal Government got fully involved in student loans and began "forgiving" them, college costs rocketed. Greedy schools, immature recipients, no government oversight = failure."
Omg! I am so proud of you boy! You me a great democrat! Sounds like you want free college for everyone with a rant like that, and you brag about the grest government funded schools in your liberal area! You can't wait to let others pay for your socialist security welfare! Ooooh and weed for all to support our idiocracy. Well done boy! 👏
Leave it to Icee to be 100% wrong, as per usual. The minimum wage when I went to college, which now costs 3x as much was 7x higher. Its like the price of gas, it looks higher, but its not. Colleges are pretty much left wing failures now, filled with uneducated snowflakes who need counselling if they hear a differing opinion.
My major was in music business and audio engineering. Texas expects you to take at least one math class for any degree program. It has to be a college level math course, of course. I've never understood why I'd need to factor a 25th degree polynomial to be in the music business.
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China graduates a million engineering majors each year. We get entitled Social Justice Warriors.
The program expanded in the late 1960s and showed signs of trouble in the 1980s.
The other thing corporations and the government did was to make Bachelor's degrees the new HS diploma. How many places want at a bare minimum a BS or BA degree, but would really prefer an MA or MS? How many people think they HAVE to get one or they will be nowhere in life?
So if you grade a little too high above the average, you are being mean and destroying their chance to get a good job. It's almost like the idea of excellence over mediocrity as a virtue has faded away. More important is that you have checked the right boxes...
Besides that I partied, played rec and club sports, and chased girls. Really fun but what I probably really needed was a stint in the Marines.
I have a niece and nephew that may take advantage of the new free community college for their first 2 years of school then transfer when they pick a major. Probably a good idea especially if it’s “free.”
If only I knew what I know now. I have a buddy that went into the Air Force as soon as he graduated high school. Got his degree for free in the Air Force, worked as an assistant in the operating room. Retired with full pension before he turned 40, now works in the private sector doing the same job while drawing a pension at 40!!!! Oh and the kicker, he never was stationed anywhere there was a conflict during his entire military career.
When I was in college - I enjoyed the courses taught by professionals who worked in business and had real world knowledge. I couldn’t understand some of the garbage the aging academics spewed - as their knowledge was not pertinent.
I think there are far too many useless majors - without any real world use. They simply fund the coffers of universities while providing students with useless degrees.
As a college freshman - taking the traditional freshman composition course - I wrote my semester long paper on the SAT’s. I researched the tests and I researched the real world - and I drew my conclusions - and produced a well written final product. My thesis was - Are the SAT’s biased - do they favor students who are white and from privileged upbringings. My conclusion was where I got myself into trouble - and it provided a valuable lesson learned. I concluded the exams were not biased - but societal factors are the cause of lower scores for certain demographics - and the exams provide an accurate real world view as society has biases as well. My professor hated everything about my conclusion! I learned that liberals are very accepting as long as you agree with them!
Is a way to get easy credits for students that need a GPA boost (POC or otherwise)? Even though the Ivy League does not have "athletic" scholarships, wanna bet there are lots of athletes in that class?
I remember in school that all the freshman easy A 1 hour survey courses were filled with football players. Athletes suddenly left for the pro's when the school ran out of classes that they could pass. they would have half the credits needed to graduate, but were almost as far from their degree as when they walked in the door.
So this has now expanded to all students. We don't care if they will ever get a degree. Keep them paying tuition for as long as possible by giving them lots of easy and fun courses to take.
Omg! I am so proud of you boy! You me a great democrat! Sounds like you want free college for everyone with a rant like that, and you brag about the grest government funded schools in your liberal area! You can't wait to let others pay for your socialist security welfare! Ooooh and weed for all to support our idiocracy. Well done boy! 👏