We've discussed this before, but there are a lot of new members and it might be informative to weigh in. What are your thoughts on dancer contact? Are your limits self imposed, or do they depend on how much the dancer, club, law or bouncer will allow? Are you cool with ITC extras? To what extent? Do you cary protection? Use it? Have at it.
My thoughts are fairly simple. I like vigorous contact from the dancer. I like girls who use their hands. I will very rarely say, "Hey, don't touch that!" When a girl asks if she can stretch the rules, I usually say something like "Do your worst, honey!". I like to be able to touch as well, but I don't have to touch breasts or kitty to have a nice time. I like to give back rubs, because I think I'm pretty good at it, and I get excited by giving a women pleasure. I am occasionally open to ITC extras, but not FS. Usually after extras I feel not so great about the situation (damn morality!). On balance I think I would rather have 5 high-mileage lap dances than a 10 minute session with a happy ending.
In general I'm usually very satisfied with medium and no extras. But that's occasionally been modified slightly depending on (1) how much I like the girl and (2) how much I've had to drink.
My thoughts are, most dancers have enough rules already and I certainly don't need to add any. I do need privacy to be able to relax and enjoy the evening though. I don't want to watch a dancer dance for me and see some big hairy guy looking right in my direction while I'm trying to watch the dancer. That's a total turn off. If I can't relax and enjoy the moment, that's a turn off too.
I don't ever remember telling a girl "don't touch that!" If a dancer wants to give me a free extra if there is such a thing, I would prefer she just invite me over to her place and then I wouldn't be worrying about hidden cameras and bouncers etc. I remember one dancer once smiled at me and said she wanted to be a porn star. I was thinking well I don't want to be one. The mileage she gave after saying that was good but nothing that unusual. I'm wondering if she's going to pop back in my life one day. I never know what to expect. I take things day by day.
If I don't like the way a dancer looks, I don't want to end up alone with her at all. I don't care if she wants to give me all the free sex she could at her house, if I don't like the way she looks (I'm not attracted to her), then I don't want anything to do with her. Those are my rules, don't get caught alone with someone you don't care for even if you have been drinking. It helps if they smell nice as well instead of having body odor. I only remember one dancer that wanted me so bad that she offered free dances and I still turned her down. She wasn't finished there but I still said no to her.
I generally check this discussion board twice a day. In the morning and again before I go to bed. I don't feel compelled to post on every topic like some do. I think that my views on economics and politics are not what most of the posters want to hear about. They want to know what strippers I have fucked and why I didn't fuck others. They don't care if it was a hole in the wall or a GC. They just want to know how it was. To that extent, I try to be informative. I try to make my topics provacative. To create interest. Sometimes silly when things are slow.
I have to confess, the only reason I go to clubs is to find girls to fuck.
You can see them naked, so there are no surprises - I like to check out anything before purchase - and you can gauge their personality, look for that chemistry. Then close the OTC deal, whether it's pay-for-play or she's just looking for something too. Point is, no strings attached fucking with a young, fun chick with a killer body is a good thing.
I'm not sure exactly what happened to dancers, but 20 years ago dancers were "strippers" - that was really there profession - and it was very uncommon to have much contact, especially lap dances and the like. Now, they are pretty much whores - even the "conservative girls" will let you finger them and suck their tits in VIP. Most of the others will suck you off or fuck you.
During dances, I prefer slow sensual contact, combined with a lot of eye contact and intimate chat. I prefer NOT to blow my load in the club environment. I do NOT want to stand up trying to cover a wetspot. Yes, there have been times that due to the insistence of the dancer, along with the mood, etc., that I've broken that rule, but it takes a lot of convincing.
I almost gave into temptation and the temptress the last time that I was in a club, but I was able to instead put her off and arrange an OTC hookup after she left work. MUCH more favorable indeed.
I'm not sure if it's the clubs that I frequent, my choice in dancers, or my "rules", but I can count on one hand, the number of times Mr Happy has been exposed to the elements ITC, in all of my years. Probably the same amount of times for me to be unzippered, while ITC. Less than a dozen - actually quite a bit less - dancers have squeezed their hand inside to get to know Mr Happy, ITC.
OTC, is where I want to have those sort of experiences to take place.
Context makes a difference. I like lap dances with a lot of two-way contact, but at clubs where there's limited touching allowed or just one-way contact, minor rule-breaking can make it exciting. I like strippers to use their hands, but not as an easy substitute for giving a good lap dance. I usually don't like it at all when they grab my dick right away to try to get me to buy a dance. I enjoy clubs for the sustained foreplay, not for seeking "relief". I'm not into having quickie sex of any kind with a pro, so I don't look for extras either inside or outside the club. However, strip clubs are places where sometimes things that feel wrong also feel too good to say no to.
AN - Thanks for bringing the TOPIC back for the newbies. WTG!
Like harrydave - I like vigorous contact from the dancers! But, they have to intiate the touching so I know the limits. Too old to be a "groper".
Like casualguy - I do need privacy to be able to relax and enjoy the evening though. I'm not there to put a "show" on for customers. I rarely get a "NUT" ITC because I can't totally relax and feel safe. If I ever did, it would be due to the dancer and I'd probably reward her with an extra "bill"!!!!
What's shadowcat rambling on about????
DougS and I have a lot in common - I prefer slow sensual contact (Cyn), combined with a lot of eye contact (Cyn) and intimate chat (Cyn)! You just decribed my ATF!!!
Overall, sure, I like to test the limits of dancers, without offending them of course. Most of the times, I'm too nice of a guy to try anything stupid or something I might regret.
Cat, I kind of thought your earlier response fit into the "how obsessed are you" thread better than this one.
Since I started this topic I suppose I should weigh in. I like the whole slow sensual contact from her, and I like to be able to let my hands roam over her body. I've got nothing against a good grind, I just don't like it to be a souless "I'll rub your dick cause that's what all the guys want" type of grind. I've always limited myself to that king of contact, pet the kitty, don't poke it was my theory. I'd always been vaugely uncomfortable going any further, although I eventually got comfortable with the LD "to completion" on a few occasions.
Then I went to Partner's Tavern. My standards are evolving.
I have a no holds barred attitude. I am open to whatever the dancer is willing to do and then some. I can sit and WATCH naked women on TV and my computer. I like to feel them in person
I like a strip club enouunter to be like a high school make-out session used to be when I was that age - lots of flirting and teasing and heavy breathing and some touching but no sex acts - in other words a very intimate encounter but not a sexual one.
Good point, dance that equates with (limited sexually) high school make-out session (pre or early sexy revolution era) can be both very stimulating and very exciting. Now setting aside the fact the admittedly most dancers are not attracted to their customers and often don't even like their customers, dancers can generally still tolerate these sessions alot better than hard core extra type deals except sometimes for young dancers "in love" with their current boyfriends and consider this too intimate and something they "must save for him"
Of course if you are lucky enough to have some connection, and perhaps meet the dancers minimal level of presentability for example with an ATF or new developed semi-AFT type, or best of all worlds you actually do have a decent connection with the lady, then it can really be alot of fun. It can sometimes be like going back to high school and making out with the prettiest girl in the class who thinks you are at least OK, not a bad deal at all.
The high school make-out session - or as I said, extended foreplay - is what strip clubs are best for. In fact, they're the only place where you can get lap dances from your choice out of a roomful of girls acting like nymphos. Actual sex is easier to come by, and better, in a lot of other settings.
I glossed over part of the question in my earlier responses...
I assume you are implying condoms, when you ask about protection. Do I carry protection ITC... I have never carried it in the club. I've never been in a situation where I needed protection inside a club, and don't foresee the need - at least in the clubs that I frequent.
I've also been of the opinion that if I ever encounter a situation in a club, where extras are being offered, and the environment appears agreeable to me, I'm assuming that the dancer will be packing her own protection.
I do ALWAYS have PLENTY of protection on hand in my hotel for OTC activities, however. You never know when it will cum in handy!
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I don't ever remember telling a girl "don't touch that!" If a dancer wants to give me a free extra if there is such a thing, I would prefer she just invite me over to her place and then I wouldn't be worrying about hidden cameras and bouncers etc. I remember one dancer once smiled at me and said she wanted to be a porn star. I was thinking well I don't want to be one. The mileage she gave after saying that was good but nothing that unusual. I'm wondering if she's going to pop back in my life one day. I never know what to expect. I take things day by day.
You can see them naked, so there are no surprises - I like to check out anything before purchase - and you can gauge their personality, look for that chemistry. Then close the OTC deal, whether it's pay-for-play or she's just looking for something too. Point is, no strings attached fucking with a young, fun chick with a killer body is a good thing.
I'm not sure exactly what happened to dancers, but 20 years ago dancers were "strippers" - that was really there profession - and it was very uncommon to have much contact, especially lap dances and the like. Now, they are pretty much whores - even the "conservative girls" will let you finger them and suck their tits in VIP. Most of the others will suck you off or fuck you.
I regard it as progress ;)
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I almost gave into temptation and the temptress the last time that I was in a club, but I was able to instead put her off and arrange an OTC hookup after she left work. MUCH more favorable indeed.
I'm not sure if it's the clubs that I frequent, my choice in dancers, or my "rules", but I can count on one hand, the number of times Mr Happy has been exposed to the elements ITC, in all of my years. Probably the same amount of times for me to be unzippered, while ITC. Less than a dozen - actually quite a bit less - dancers have squeezed their hand inside to get to know Mr Happy, ITC.
OTC, is where I want to have those sort of experiences to take place.
Like harrydave - I like vigorous contact from the dancers! But, they have to intiate the touching so I know the limits. Too old to be a "groper".
Like casualguy - I do need privacy to be able to relax and enjoy the evening though. I'm not there to put a "show" on for customers. I rarely get a "NUT" ITC because I can't totally relax and feel safe. If I ever did, it would be due to the dancer and I'd probably reward her with an extra "bill"!!!!
What's shadowcat rambling on about????
DougS and I have a lot in common - I prefer slow sensual contact (Cyn), combined with a lot of eye contact (Cyn) and intimate chat (Cyn)! You just decribed my ATF!!!
Overall, sure, I like to test the limits of dancers, without offending them of course. Most of the times, I'm too nice of a guy to try anything stupid or something I might regret.
Since I started this topic I suppose I should weigh in. I like the whole slow sensual contact from her, and I like to be able to let my hands roam over her body. I've got nothing against a good grind, I just don't like it to be a souless "I'll rub your dick cause that's what all the guys want" type of grind. I've always limited myself to that king of contact, pet the kitty, don't poke it was my theory. I'd always been vaugely uncomfortable going any further, although I eventually got comfortable with the LD "to completion" on a few occasions.
Then I went to Partner's Tavern. My standards are evolving.
Of course if you are lucky enough to have some connection, and perhaps meet the dancers minimal level of presentability for example with an ATF or new developed semi-AFT type, or best of all worlds you actually do have a decent connection with the lady, then it can really be alot of fun. It can sometimes be like going back to high school and making out with the prettiest girl in the class who thinks you are at least OK, not a bad deal at all.
I assume you are implying condoms, when you ask about protection. Do I carry protection ITC... I have never carried it in the club. I've never been in a situation where I needed protection inside a club, and don't foresee the need - at least in the clubs that I frequent.
I've also been of the opinion that if I ever encounter a situation in a club, where extras are being offered, and the environment appears agreeable to me, I'm assuming that the dancer will be packing her own protection.
I do ALWAYS have PLENTY of protection on hand in my hotel for OTC activities, however. You never know when it will cum in handy!