OT: Why Are Utilities So Expensive
Papi_Chulo
Miami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
Though the price of natural gas has fallen by 43% and coal prices have dropped 11% since 2010, the price of electricity for residential users in the United States rose by 13% during the same period, McConnell notes. “Why does your electricity bill keep going up when the cost of producing electricity keeps going down?” he asks.
This is because, McConnell says, a portion of the substantial money that should have been saved instead “went to subsidize renewable energy,” with wind and solar being far more expensive than advertised.
“Perhaps if renewable energy was what made our air cleaner or what caused the dramatic reductions in CO2 over the last decade, you could say it was worth it,” McConnell argues. “But our air was already becoming dramatically cleaner long before wind and solar were identified as ‘environmentally critical.’ Emissions of harmful pollutants have decreased 77% in the US since 1970. And that had nothing to do with wind and solar. It was almost entirely due to the switch from coal to natural gas.”
Given that “we’re getting no cost savings from wind and solar and minimal benefits in terms of cleaner air or reductions in CO2,” McConnell then questions our continued obsession with these forms of power by exploring the three main parts of our electricity bills: generation cost, transmission cost and taxes and fees.
McConnell estimates that the cost of generating and reliably maintaining electricity “comprises about 50% of your power bill.” While “fossil fueled electricity is inexpensive, and the fuel can be stored or sourced on site,” making it available when needed, “wind and solar generate electricity based on the mood of Mother Nature,” providing us with the “intermittency problem.”
McConnell then describes what this means in practical terms, saying that wind and solar farms usually require fossil fuel facilities to make up for their intermittent energy supply, and “all that wasted money is reflected in your electricity bill.”
The cost to transmit electricity is “determined by the distance between the power plant and your home or business,” he explains. “This is one of the reasons fossil fuel and nuclear plants are ideally suited to power our large, dense cities and industries,” McConnell states. “They require little land space and can be situated near or within population centers, so they need relatively few transmission lines. But wind and solar resources require large tracts of land and are therefore usually placed in remote locations.”
Such remoteness introduces the requirement for expensive new infrastructure. For example, Texas “has already spent over $7 billion in new transmission lines to bring distant wind power to cities in the east and south,” and with further expenditure required, Texans are “already seeing those costs in their energy bills.”
Finally, McConnell looks at taxes and fees. “Most taxes are plainly stated on your power bill. State taxes, city and county taxes. Plus, a bewildering assortment of fees. Those are bad enough,” McConnell says. “But what you won’t see on your electricity bill are the Federal and, in many places, state taxes that you pay to subsidize wind and solar generation.”
“Federal subsidies alone for the wind and solar industries totaled more than $70 billion from 2010 to 2019. Most state governments kick in their own incentives. The subsidies for wind and solar are in a class by themselves and have been for decades,” McConnell warns. “We are not incentivizing new technology but are artificially supporting an industry. Take away the subsidies and very likely that industry does not exist.”
After explaining these three parts — the generation costs, the transmission costs, the taxes and fees — when they’re added together, “you’re paying a lot more than you should.”
While some can afford it, many can’t.
“An electricity bill is a regressive expense, meaning it takes up a lot bigger chunk of the budget of a lower middle-class family than it does an upper middle-class one,” McConnell explains. “Many poor families devote more than 10% of their income after food, rent, and transportation to electricity, while the those further up the income scale spend only a few percent. A third of American households report having difficulty paying their electricity bills and 7 million families face the choice between putting food on the table or keeping their home warm during the cold winter months.”
McConnell concludes by suggesting that we consider the families struggling with these rising costs, instead of focusing on “expensive, inefficient wind and solar energy.”
“Yes, the wind and the sun are free,” McConnell says. “But wind and solar power are anything but.”
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Pretty soon we'll all be rolling in so much dough you won't even notice the extra cost of electricity.
The rich have become richer, and the poor have become poorer; and the vessel of the State is driven between the Scylla and Charybdis of anarchy and despotism.
“America sucks and needs to be dismantled.”
~ Papi_Chulo, TUSCL, August 14, 2020
~ White (Cuban) guy residing in Miami, FL
^ Sad but so true Papi.
~ Warrior15, TUSCL, August 14, 2020
~ Just a Monger looking for some Action.
To answer the question:
Why are utilities so expensive?
“Concentration of wealth leads naturally to concentration of power, which in turn translates to legislation favoring the interests of the rich and powerful and thereby increasing even further the concentration of power and wealth.”
Various political measures, such as fiscal policy, deregulation, and rules for corporate governance are designed to increase the concentration of wealth and power.
It is a vicious cycle in constant progress.
The state is there to provide security and support to the interests of the privileged and powerful sectors in society while the rest of the population is left to experience the brutal reality of capitalism.
“Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor.”
You seem to be pointing to the irony of left leaning agendas trying to help the poor while increasing their financial burden because of the push for renewable energy. Hmmm...perhaps we should justalso remove all that expensive fossil fuel exhaust treatment too. How about the environmental abatement for mercury, asbestos and environmental disruption from these fossil plants. Oh, btw the poor often live near these plants and most at risk from those effects.
But there is definateky a fallacy that 100% can come from renewable energy. We will always need concentrated base load generation (when the wind ain't blowing and the sun ain't shining) Nuclear and mass storage is the logical solution. Natural gas is a stop gap. Coal is a dying a long slow death.
I was shocked at my electrical bill this summer. It hit almost $250 in July, but then again it was ridiculously hot this summer with no rain relief (in my area) and I was home all summer when I'm usually traveling a lot. In comparison it can be as low as $80 in the winter (gas furnace, yes furnace, fuck those heat pumps).
Or you can bitch about it and live off the grid, but I bet you wont like it.
As I stated she was a popular stripper visited by many PLs, and at follow up visits bring up the same concept of free water. It made her quite discouraged when I called her out on her repeating the topic’s fallacy. She couldn’t grasp the concept that all the pipes/plumbing and staffing municipalities was a necessary cost to protect clean water supplies, and suggested she find other topics to discuss and to avoid her debate on free water.
Very pretty girl, but so thick headed she wasn’t prone to learning new ideas. I think she aged out and found an old dude to help her supplement her lifestyle. She needed a sugar daddy to pay her bills.
I worked for AT&T immediately after divestiture. They shed thousands of jobs through layoffs - and thought they became efficient. Then they had to shed more and more employees - and they still weren’t efficient. They had become too reliant on the easy ways to raise money - by raising rates - as there was no competition. Utilities are the same - and the only way to induce efficiency is to drop the monopoly and allow competitors to set prices.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCpWPJrH…
What utilities charge for electricity in many of the blue states is already downright criminal, especially for lower income people who have to shell out a measurable percentage of their take home pay just to keep the lights on.
I'll give you credit here - at least when you decide to post stupid you go big. Go big or go home I always say. Of course the cost of renewables is factored into the rates approved by government entities. Rates are set based upon the total cost of providing electricity and if you are in a state with a 33% renewables mandate, producing enough electricity is going to be more expensive. Duh.
===> "Why did gas never drop below a dollar a barrel when oil went negative last year? Because the public gets fucked thats why."
Or because it still costs money to refine and transport? Seriously dude I've always suspected that the only people left in California are left wing nuts and dipshits and you're certainly not disabusing anyone here of that notion.