Why is the "manosphere" so close-minded about transactional relationships?
READ FIRST: What I mean by the manosphere is many of these groups from PUA's , MGTOW, Purple Pill. Red Pill, Black Pill, Incels..etc.
What I mean by "transactional" is a wide array of things. From paying for a girl's ride, to going to stripclubs to having a SB. Any time a man uses his resources to get women seems to be condemned by these groups.
Brief background: I'm bicultural in that I grew up in America but I also went back to my parent's hometown(much more traditional country). As I became an adult a lot of male mentors took me to brothels(fully legal) and strip clubs. I did not have a GF at the time but my only expectation for a GF was that she was cute and chill.
Manosphere: As I settled in America I reconnected with an old friend, who introduced me to the manosphere. I initially found the community interesting and thought it could offer me some benefits. However, as I delved deeper into the culture I become disenchanted with it. It seemed a lot of the guys had a "Disney fairy tale" version of relationships between men and women and since reality didn't live up to their expectations they felt cheated and angry towards the world.
Present-day/disagreements: Two of the main points of disagreement is that they believe sex or any sexual must always be accompanied by an emotional connection. And that men should not use any money or resources to attract women. While to them it seems like the "alpha male" path to me it seems like they are making their life difficult. For instance, if you are with a girl you could buy her a drink to make it easier to talk to her or you could pay for a girl's Uber.
What I mean by "transactional" is a wide array of things. From paying for a girl's ride, to going to stripclubs to having a SB. Any time a man uses his resources to get women seems to be condemned by these groups.
Brief background: I'm bicultural in that I grew up in America but I also went back to my parent's hometown(much more traditional country). As I became an adult a lot of male mentors took me to brothels(fully legal) and strip clubs. I did not have a GF at the time but my only expectation for a GF was that she was cute and chill.
Manosphere: As I settled in America I reconnected with an old friend, who introduced me to the manosphere. I initially found the community interesting and thought it could offer me some benefits. However, as I delved deeper into the culture I become disenchanted with it. It seemed a lot of the guys had a "Disney fairy tale" version of relationships between men and women and since reality didn't live up to their expectations they felt cheated and angry towards the world.
Present-day/disagreements: Two of the main points of disagreement is that they believe sex or any sexual must always be accompanied by an emotional connection. And that men should not use any money or resources to attract women. While to them it seems like the "alpha male" path to me it seems like they are making their life difficult. For instance, if you are with a girl you could buy her a drink to make it easier to talk to her or you could pay for a girl's Uber.
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We ricks have the perfect answer for the problems of the “manosphere” apes: they need to get in touch with their inner ricks. Now, not everybody can be truly rick. But everybody can STRIVE to be as rick as possible.
Those incels are all “boo hoo that woman doesn’t wanna fuck me wah wah wah”. A rick would say “meh... that woman doesn’t want to fuck me I’ll move on and the next one will”. Then you start to realize that you don’t engage in “transactional relationships” for the sex. It’s to get the woman to leave when you’re done.
Unless you’re so rick the women fuck you for free and then leave afterwards for free. But only true ricks are rick enough for that shit. ROAR!!!
Wow, how did you know that? A bunch of the Dating coaches and Return of King writers who were hardcore misogynists have been exposed as homosexuals who were trying to recruit younger men to join them on the other side.
As for the disdain for p4p, I think it comes down to ego. And yes like you said, having certain ideals. I get the impression that a lot of those types want to feel “needed”—and they are attracted to that type of community because they feel jaded that they have no place in society. But hey, maybe if we change society things could be different.
There are some things about the manosphere I tend to agree with, however. Namely, I do agree with some of the stuff said about women. Women (in general) are more prone to leaving relationships than men are. Certain practices like alimony have probably dated themselves after women’s rights advances. The excess complaining about random “microaggressions” are ridiculous. And when it comes to dating, yes there are certain base instincts that can be appealed to.
Also some things about the community I think is inaccurate. I won’t get into it too much. But I want to know where the heck are MY beta orbiters that will do everything for me without giving me grief in some way because they are too neutered to try? Do I need to be more hot or something? My car needs to be cleaned and detailed soon and I wish I could summon an orbiter to get out there and do it. 😕
Exactly, why would anyone pay $1200 for a PUA bootcamp for the chance to talk to girls if you could get laid 3x with that money with a escort. They are other programs with are even more ridicolous like immersion training 5k to live with a coach. Almost all these are scams.
(1) Most "dating gurus" or "pickup artists" (PUAs) couldn't get laid in Tijuana with a fistful of hundreds. Some of them go years without getting laid. The ones who "peacock" (dress up ostentatiously) get kicked out of bars, and even bookstores, or regarded as freaks. Their marketing is lies layered on lies; you can find their "tactics" on a 5-minute Google search.
(2) The ones who get laid do so because they carpet bomb the field. Out of a hundred women at a bar or club, they find a desperate, equally damaged women to shack up with for the night.
(3) They stage photos with rented models and private jets that they couldn't legitimately touch. You can see some of their ads on Las Vegas or Miami Craigslist.
(4) A lot dislike P4P because it's not about sex, it's about emotional validation. They need a woman's assurance that they are desirable. They base their self-esteem on the approval of women.
(5) Like Arigano_69 said above, most of the "manosphere" is a bunch of butthurt, misogynist jerks who have given up on life. For all they talk about "masculinity," they are whiny little bitches.
Personal opinion: If you call yourself an "alpha male," and are not a wolf, please boil yourself in oil.
One of these women came out of her drunken stupor in the middle of a gang bang and reported him to the police. The judge wanted a 2 week commitment and I only had one week at the time. I was seated and it looked when I couldn't get out. I told the judge the nature of my work the following week and they reluctantly let me out. I wouldn't have minded sitting on that jury but 2 weeks wasn't an option.
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My honest take is most of PUA is wasting time/money and effort for average guys so that a "Coach" can make money. A lot of the guys are shy, socially awkward guys who work in a high-pressure job. Therefore, they have some money but feel unconfident about approaching women outside of their job/workplace. A lot of the "Coaches" offer weekend boot camps since it's easy to make money $1000 to go an approach a couple of girls and the client gets the "high" of approaching plus he can be "low key" about it since its a dark noisy club in a different city won't face any repercussions at work.
It doesn't matter how shallow the attraction is. When a woman wants you she wants you as a man.
And spending money on a girlfriend or lover js differebt from paying a hooker.
NAAAASTY
Its idiotic. Women act on emotions. Its how you make them feel. Women are the easiest to fuck when you make them have positive feelings towards you and fucking you is their idea because of that.
For me, I had a wife and some girlfriends when I was younger but I've reached the stage now where I'm happy living alone. I can do what I want when I feel like it. I'm set in my ways and wouldn't want the disruption of having someone live me. I still like female company, though. So leaving home and going to a strip club and then leaving the club when I get bored and coming back home by myself works out for me. For a guy in a different situation, though, he might want to do something different.
I have read PUA blogs like Roosh and Roissy. There's some useful information in there but they over promise how effective their methods are. Stripperweb with all of its unrealistic tips on how to make thousands of dollars a night as a stripper reminds me of some of the PUA blogs giving advice on how to bed down dozens of beautiful women.
There will always be people selling "miracle solutions" and there will always be people believing it or willing to believe-it b/c of the circumstances they are in, desperation, or just ignorance - it's human nature - and thus the old time saying "there's a sucker born every minute" - as long as there is a sucker-market, there will be suppliers.
The only thing a pua course may help with is shyness and approach anxiety. But a guy can do that on his own if he wants to.
You got a loooooooooong wait.
he doesnt get it that inorder for a man to spend money on a hooker or stripper shes needs to meet standards for the man to be willing to pay
"Do I need to be more hot or something?"
You would need to be more mean and narcissistic to not mind taking advantage of people like that.
You're probably a nice person.