Why is the "manosphere" so close-minded about transactional relationships?

They are pathetic groups of butthurt jerks that have been rejected by women and this is their lame idea of revenge. What they don't seem to realize is that women have left them behind already and don't care about them or their nonsense. They probably all are closet cases looking for an excuse to hook up with each other.

Wise answer Arigano-ape.

We ricks have the perfect answer for the problems of the “manosphere” apes: they need to get in touch with their inner ricks. Now, not everybody can be truly rick. But everybody can STRIVE to be as rick as possible.

Those incels are all “boo hoo that woman doesn’t wanna fuck me wah wah wah”. A rick would say “meh... that woman doesn’t want to fuck me I’ll move on and the next one will”. Then you start to realize that you don’t engage in “transactional relationships” for the sex. It’s to get the woman to leave when you’re done.

Unless you’re so rick the women fuck you for free and then leave afterwards for free. But only true ricks are rick enough for that shit. ROAR!!!

@Arigano_69 Wow, how did you know that? A bunch of the Dating coaches and Return of King writers who were hardcore misogynists have been exposed as homosexuals who were trying to recruit younger men to join them on the other side.

I remember reading some “manosphere” stuff before years ago. Haven’t looked into it recently except it seemed Roosh decided to hardcore go into following Jesus and denouncing sex outside of procreation?

As for the disdain for p4p, I think it comes down to ego. And yes like you said, having certain ideals. I get the impression that a lot of those types want to feel “needed”—and they are attracted to that type of community because they feel jaded that they have no place in society. But hey, maybe if we change society things could be different.

There are some things about the manosphere I tend to agree with, however. Namely, I do agree with some of the stuff said about women. Women (in general) are more prone to leaving relationships than men are. Certain practices like alimony have probably dated themselves after women’s rights advances. The excess complaining about random “microaggressions” are ridiculous. And when it comes to dating, yes there are certain base instincts that can be appealed to.

Also some things about the community I think is inaccurate. I won’t get into it too much. But I want to know where the heck are MY beta orbiters that will do everything for me without giving me grief in some way because they are too neutered to try? Do I need to be more hot or something? My car needs to be cleaned and detailed soon and I wish I could summon an orbiter to get out there and do it. 😕

Those manosphere guys operate a business so they want your money and they are shaming you. in their eyes its okay to spend money to learn to get laid but its wrong to pay women instead. most of us are not that hot thats why theres prostitution, SB, strippers. If you have 7 figures in your bank account you will always be a 7.

^ I thought having 7 figures in my bank account made me a 10+

@Sakty.Nutz Exactly, why would anyone pay $1200 for a PUA bootcamp for the chance to talk to girls if you could get laid 3x with that money with a escort. They are other programs with are even more ridicolous like immersion training 5k to live with a coach. Almost all these are scams.

I know several copywriters and "dating coaches" who have run in those circles. There are a few who legitimately like (and are good with) women, but on the whole it's even worse than you think.

(1) Most "dating gurus" or "pickup artists" (PUAs) couldn't get laid in Tijuana with a fistful of hundreds. Some of them go years without getting laid. The ones who "peacock" (dress up ostentatiously) get kicked out of bars, and even bookstores, or regarded as freaks. Their marketing is lies layered on lies; you can find their "tactics" on a 5-minute Google search. (2) The ones who get laid do so because they carpet bomb the field. Out of a hundred women at a bar or club, they find a desperate, equally damaged women to shack up with for the night. (3) They stage photos with rented models and private jets that they couldn't legitimately touch. You can see some of their ads on Las Vegas or Miami Craigslist. (4) A lot dislike P4P because it's not about sex, it's about emotional validation. They need a woman's assurance that they are desirable. They base their self-esteem on the approval of women. (5) Like Arigano_69 said above, most of the "manosphere" is a bunch of butthurt, misogynist jerks who have given up on life. For all they talk about "masculinity," they are whiny little bitches. Personal opinion: If you call yourself an "alpha male," and are not a wolf, please boil yourself in oil.

I almost got selected to sit on a jury for a rape trial for one of these "coaches". He trained guys how to hit clubs an hour before closing time and taught guys to look for women that were very drunk. He described his method as "shooting fish in a barrel".

One of these women came out of her drunken stupor in the middle of a gang bang and reported him to the police. The judge wanted a 2 week commitment and I only had one week at the time. I was seated and it looked when I couldn't get out. I told the judge the nature of my work the following week and they reluctantly let me out. I wouldn't have minded sitting on that jury but 2 weeks wasn't an option.

Look up the "Meetup of Doom." A bunch of these PUAs and their students went out to DC bars to pick up women and fail miserably. So they start pouring beer on and body checking them. They're freaks.

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My honest take is most of PUA is wasting time/money and effort for average guys so that a "Coach" can make money. A lot of the guys are shy, socially awkward guys who work in a high-pressure job. Therefore, they have some money but feel unconfident about approaching women outside of their job/workplace. A lot of the "Coaches" offer weekend boot camps since it's easy to make money $1000 to go an approach a couple of girls and the client gets the "high" of approaching plus he can be "low key" about it since its a dark noisy club in a different city won't face any repercussions at work.

The "coach" was a bald nerdy looking guy but I guess he had the gift of gab. He was even married. He, and a couple of his other partners ended up getting convicted in separate trials.

@Beat100- any man who hates women enough to join any of those losers orgs either has probably always been homosexual and has enough self loathing to try and mask it with misogyny. They blame their non attraction to women on the women themselves. Sad.

does anyone here remember a VH1 show years back called the pickup artist? i just remember the main guy was some douchebag who would wear these hats that you find somebody would wear in a tim burton movie.

It doesn't matter, lest it affects you..

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On the contrary, all relationshits are transactional(if you disagree, ask yourself honestly if your wife would divorce you if you went broke). Unless you have a woman taking you out on dates, paying the bills, taking you on shopping sprees, paying for vacations etc. It is transactional one way or the other. I say avoid relationshits entirely, until women change for the better and reject the feminist/sjw liberal ideology.

Instead of a one size fits all strategy it seems like it would be better to look at your goals and then look at your resources to achieve those goals. Let's take looking for sex as a primary goal instead of another goal like finding a relationship. An older man who is less attractive but has a lot of money could use his money to get sex. A really good looking guy who doesn't have a high income could use his looks. A guy who is an entertaining conversationalist could use that.

For me, I had a wife and some girlfriends when I was younger but I've reached the stage now where I'm happy living alone. I can do what I want when I feel like it. I'm set in my ways and wouldn't want the disruption of having someone live me. I still like female company, though. So leaving home and going to a strip club and then leaving the club when I get bored and coming back home by myself works out for me. For a guy in a different situation, though, he might want to do something different.

I have read PUA blogs like Roosh and Roissy. There's some useful information in there but they over promise how effective their methods are. Stripperweb with all of its unrealistic tips on how to make thousands of dollars a night as a stripper reminds me of some of the PUA blogs giving advice on how to bed down dozens of beautiful women.

I've heard of this PUA stuff but have never looked into it b/c for the most part it just seems like anything else someone wants to sell whether it's a "miracle diet product" or a "proven method to pick up women" - I'm dubious of all that and treat all that as selling snake oil - if you are not good w/ women either b/c of personality (shy, obnoxious, etc), or looks, unlikely there's a method to turn you into a lady's man - these PUA methods are probably as effective as a 6'6" black-guy being able to teach a 5'10" whiteguy how to dunk.

There will always be people selling "miracle solutions" and there will always be people believing it or willing to believe-it b/c of the circumstances they are in, desperation, or just ignorance - it's human nature - and thus the old time saying "there's a sucker born every minute" - as long as there is a sucker-market, there will be suppliers.

"....until women change for the better and reject the feminist/sjw liberal ideology"

You got a loooooooooong wait.

Icey is broke he thinks hookers, and strippers arent women. clown.

he doesnt get it that inorder for a man to spend money on a hooker or stripper shes needs to meet standards for the man to be willing to pay

"I won’t get into it too much. But I want to know where the heck are MY beta orbiters that will do everything for me without giving me grief in some way because they are too neutered to try?"

"Do I need to be more hot or something?"

You would need to be more mean and narcissistic to not mind taking advantage of people like that.

You're probably a nice person.

@IceyLoco - I understand the confusion, happens sometimes here but that comment was from Salty.Nutz

salt: nuts and nutz? there were two of them here all this time? are they twins? ehh who knew?