I don't think it's that crazy to offer something a little more than your comfortable first time with to get your foot in the door, fuck her good, make her feel comfortable, feel safe, make her laugh and then just see if she's down for something a little less on the next time. A lot of unknown has been wiped away and I think that's worth something. I've seen that happen plenty of times. Thoughts?
There are several different types of girls on SA. Some are outright escorts making living. Then there are the young professional girls that just need a little extra spending money to live the lifestyle they want. I seem to be attracted to the latter. These girls will do a single P4P meeting. But their goal is to find a singly sugar daddy to have a long term arrangement with. I was seeing a girl at $400 per night. But we started a monthly deal at $1500 a month, and I could see her up to 7 times per month before I had to pay her extra. So the monthly deal brought it down to almost $200 per visit. And these were not one hour sessions. These were evening long dates where she would stay the night. So yes, everything on SA is negotiable.
Muddy: obviously, no law against re-negotiating OTC rates. I haven't even tried to do it for many years, I think because the few times I or one of my buddies tried it, it was just met with "no" or clear resentment. Who wants to deal with that?
My sense -- I can't really prove it, but based on the way I've seen strippers act, I think it's right -- is that if a stripper would take $350 for OTC, and you offer her $450 for the first time, and the next time try to bargain her down to $350, she won't be happy. Even if she would have been happy with the $350 if you'd got her to that the first time. It's not just a stripper thing, it's human nature to interpret things as "you mean you can afford $450, took me on a date, and it sucked so bad now you're offering me so much less?" Even if she says yes, it'll be with attitude that might leak into her performance.
Question: when you say you've seen it happen plenty of times, do you mean you have personally re-negotiated OTC rates plenty of times, and the stripper agreed, AND the time spent with you was just as fun, and her sexual performance just as good?
@Subra yes but to be fair I’m not an every week see sort of guy. I’m more of once in a blue moon type to where there is actually a chance they might’ve forgot what I gave the first time. I see do see one girl now and my offer is always something along the lines of I could do XXX if you wanna chill tommorow night. That number varies but it’s not gonna be as much as the first time. I don’t really see professional type girls either, mostly just 18 year old Latinas that want weed money I'm not exactly negotiating with Jerry Jones here.
" I’m more of once in a blue moon type to where there is actually a chance they might’ve forgot what I gave the first time"
Totally agree with that. Especially higher volume girls will not remember what you paid her 3 months ago. By the time I ask a girl OTC I'm already her regular, and chances are will be asking her OTC again in a week or two. Different dynamics than "we did an OTC 6 months ago, now I'm going to propose a totally different number because she won't remember"
It’s funny what women remember and don’t recall. They always recall what you paid last time and conveniently believe that is the starting point for another round.
Oh but a woman owes you money, she doesn’t recall owing a man money ever!
Hmm...I think cutting back is a natural thing to do.
I think this applies even with regular civie dating. Like the common tropes of the romantic boyfriend who gave out lots of attention and adoration but then later gets bored and prioritizes video games or other females (whether porn or something else). Or the equivalent female trope of the girlfriend who fucks a guy nonstop who later on gains 20 pounds of weight and has one reason or another for not wanting sex anymore.
As far as dancers (and I assume sugar babies) go, I think nearly everyone expects the customer will cut back, and they will especially get more demanding as time goes on. If it’s still not too bad, then it’s acceptable. If not, then let him go elsewhere. It is what it is.
My experience with strippers has been whatever you pay them the first time they will want the same or more the next time. In the business world if you have a long-standing relationship with a supplier as a low drama customer you may expect a discount eventually, but sex is a service not a good.
Honestly the only way to make this work is to frame that first time as a sort of tip/bonus but make it clear it won't happen every time. Or pay extra for extra time the first time (such as going out for drinks which you wouldn't normally do).
I can't tell my housekeeper I've been paying you $150 but I would like to pay you $125 for the same service next time.
JamesSD: You can tell your housekeeper that another housekeeper has offered to clean your house for $100 and see where that takes you, especially in this moment in time.
The SD arrangements I have been in the girl wants $600-$1200 month. From there one can figure / negotiate how many meets per month then session rate. 2006 - stripper at Ricks 3 meets / mo 300 a session. She was great. 2004 stripper Sessions varied averaging 200. SA girl 37 yo hr records clerk wanted $600 mo and met her 3-4 sessions mo. Some of them would add extra for photos b4 sex. Never cut their money or ask for discounts. Often I would add extra which really kept them in orbit.
Decide first what your monthly budget is then go from there. Design a sane budget you don’t want be looking back years later thinking my gosh what was I thinking spending that.
Up until around covid was in SD arrangement w x stripper in legal. Met weekly (sometimes 2x week) about $600 mo cost (at beginning probably $909 mo). Had seen her for over a decade. There were periods when interrupted due to circumstances / travel. The best of the best. Hope see her again. This covid situation depressing. We have all suffered.
I wouldn’t say 6 months. Maybe like 3-5 weeks. But IME if she likes you she might just take what your throwing out there. But yes to be fair it’s not super regularly. i.e. I’m gonna see you every Tuesday set in stone contract type thing kind of thing.
Sure you can do it with some girls, but the question is whether you should. I've done it a handful of times over the years with mixed results.
The last one I did this with was a girl I took OTC several times over the course of a year. It worked, but every so often she would bring it up again in an unhappy way. She never forgot that I once paid her y before she agreed to x and I believe that it was one of the reasons why she was less reliable than I would have liked.
Idk, but for me the best approach has always been to deal with establishing personal comfort ITC, then make an offer that is enticing enough for her while still manageable enough for me. It gets me to the same place without leaving a sour taste in her mouth later.
I did cut back on price one time but it was when a girl kept trying to set up dates, I told her that I could do it occasionally at that rate or I'd do it more frequently for less, Ultimately she made more money off of me and was cool with it,
Hell yeah. Its all about the pitch. Some of yall need to read a sales book. After a tryst or two you say 'Listen I really like you and want to make this a regular thing, but if I pay too much it will feel like a transaction where youre the hooker and Im the john. If I pay a more reasonable rate then itll feel like a fwb thing, plus its proof that you enoy your time with me.'
No this doesnt work all the time. But lets be real even a hooker doesnt like being called a hooker and going forward if she accepts the higher amount in the back of her mind she will think you think shes a hooker. Chances are if youre not a disgusting fat fuck (outside and inside) like Noneck Ed youll be ok.
I've revisited the price with some girls. Mostly it's with girls I was enthusiastic about at first, but who turned out not to be as fun as I thought. Not horrible, or I wouldn't bother at all, just "OK, that was good, but not $200 good." It's not usually a "renegotiation" though, more that I simply decline to engage at that price again.
More often, I end up paying more in absolute terms, even if it's *less* per hour or nut. I have no problem paying $4-500 for an overnight, or most of the night, stay, when I was paying $150-300 for an hour or two.
I started at 200 a session and after about 6 months of helping my fave with things like taking her shopping, doing laundry and other common everyday things we do in life I asked her if we could do 100 a session and she agreed and now there's no charge anymore as we have become friends with benefits during covid-19 and we get together up to 5 times a week
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My sense -- I can't really prove it, but based on the way I've seen strippers act, I think it's right -- is that if a stripper would take $350 for OTC, and you offer her $450 for the first time, and the next time try to bargain her down to $350, she won't be happy. Even if she would have been happy with the $350 if you'd got her to that the first time. It's not just a stripper thing, it's human nature to interpret things as "you mean you can afford $450, took me on a date, and it sucked so bad now you're offering me so much less?" Even if she says yes, it'll be with attitude that might leak into her performance.
Question: when you say you've seen it happen plenty of times, do you mean you have personally re-negotiated OTC rates plenty of times, and the stripper agreed, AND the time spent with you was just as fun, and her sexual performance just as good?
I have had them $60-$200 per sessions. Some require a get to know dinner some not. Some are ROB at $3000 or more a month - told them “go find him.”
Totally agree with that. Especially higher volume girls will not remember what you paid her 3 months ago. By the time I ask a girl OTC I'm already her regular, and chances are will be asking her OTC again in a week or two. Different dynamics than "we did an OTC 6 months ago, now I'm going to propose a totally different number because she won't remember"
Oh but a woman owes you money, she doesn’t recall owing a man money ever!
I think this applies even with regular civie dating. Like the common tropes of the romantic boyfriend who gave out lots of attention and adoration but then later gets bored and prioritizes video games or other females (whether porn or something else). Or the equivalent female trope of the girlfriend who fucks a guy nonstop who later on gains 20 pounds of weight and has one reason or another for not wanting sex anymore.
As far as dancers (and I assume sugar babies) go, I think nearly everyone expects the customer will cut back, and they will especially get more demanding as time goes on. If it’s still not too bad, then it’s acceptable. If not, then let him go elsewhere. It is what it is.
Honestly the only way to make this work is to frame that first time as a sort of tip/bonus but make it clear it won't happen every time. Or pay extra for extra time the first time (such as going out for drinks which you wouldn't normally do).
I can't tell my housekeeper I've been paying you $150 but I would like to pay you $125 for the same service next time.
Decide first what your monthly budget is then go from there. Design a sane budget you don’t want be looking back years later thinking my gosh what was I thinking spending that.
The last one I did this with was a girl I took OTC several times over the course of a year. It worked, but every so often she would bring it up again in an unhappy way. She never forgot that I once paid her y before she agreed to x and I believe that it was one of the reasons why she was less reliable than I would have liked.
Idk, but for me the best approach has always been to deal with establishing personal comfort ITC, then make an offer that is enticing enough for her while still manageable enough for me. It gets me to the same place without leaving a sour taste in her mouth later.
No this doesnt work all the time. But lets be real even a hooker doesnt like being called a hooker and going forward if she accepts the higher amount in the back of her mind she will think you think shes a hooker. Chances are if youre not a disgusting fat fuck (outside and inside) like Noneck Ed youll be ok.
There have been exceptions but overall I think that comment is pretty accurate.
More often, I end up paying more in absolute terms, even if it's *less* per hour or nut. I have no problem paying $4-500 for an overnight, or most of the night, stay, when I was paying $150-300 for an hour or two.
Maybe not as crazy as it sounds if you have youth or obvious inexperience on your side. Or some chicks just don't care. YOLO
^ oooooh my pistola, we need to sit on the couch and watch 90 day fiance together! I will even shave your legs while we netflix and chill! 😍😉