I gotta disagree with the notion that your locked into these OTC rates
Muddy
USA
I don't think it's that crazy to offer something a little more than your comfortable first time with to get your foot in the door, fuck her good, make her feel comfortable, feel safe, make her laugh and then just see if she's down for something a little less on the next time. A lot of unknown has been wiped away and I think that's worth something. I've seen that happen plenty of times. Thoughts?
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My sense -- I can't really prove it, but based on the way I've seen strippers act, I think it's right -- is that if a stripper would take $350 for OTC, and you offer her $450 for the first time, and the next time try to bargain her down to $350, she won't be happy. Even if she would have been happy with the $350 if you'd got her to that the first time. It's not just a stripper thing, it's human nature to interpret things as "you mean you can afford $450, took me on a date, and it sucked so bad now you're offering me so much less?" Even if she says yes, it'll be with attitude that might leak into her performance.
Question: when you say you've seen it happen plenty of times, do you mean you have personally re-negotiated OTC rates plenty of times, and the stripper agreed, AND the time spent with you was just as fun, and her sexual performance just as good?
I have had them $60-$200 per sessions. Some require a get to know dinner some not. Some are ROB at $3000 or more a month - told them “go find him.”
Totally agree with that. Especially higher volume girls will not remember what you paid her 3 months ago. By the time I ask a girl OTC I'm already her regular, and chances are will be asking her OTC again in a week or two. Different dynamics than "we did an OTC 6 months ago, now I'm going to propose a totally different number because she won't remember"
Oh but a woman owes you money, she doesn’t recall owing a man money ever!
I think this applies even with regular civie dating. Like the common tropes of the romantic boyfriend who gave out lots of attention and adoration but then later gets bored and prioritizes video games or other females (whether porn or something else). Or the equivalent female trope of the girlfriend who fucks a guy nonstop who later on gains 20 pounds of weight and has one reason or another for not wanting sex anymore.
As far as dancers (and I assume sugar babies) go, I think nearly everyone expects the customer will cut back, and they will especially get more demanding as time goes on. If it’s still not too bad, then it’s acceptable. If not, then let him go elsewhere. It is what it is.
Honestly the only way to make this work is to frame that first time as a sort of tip/bonus but make it clear it won't happen every time. Or pay extra for extra time the first time (such as going out for drinks which you wouldn't normally do).
I can't tell my housekeeper I've been paying you $150 but I would like to pay you $125 for the same service next time.
Decide first what your monthly budget is then go from there. Design a sane budget you don’t want be looking back years later thinking my gosh what was I thinking spending that.
The last one I did this with was a girl I took OTC several times over the course of a year. It worked, but every so often she would bring it up again in an unhappy way. She never forgot that I once paid her y before she agreed to x and I believe that it was one of the reasons why she was less reliable than I would have liked.
Idk, but for me the best approach has always been to deal with establishing personal comfort ITC, then make an offer that is enticing enough for her while still manageable enough for me. It gets me to the same place without leaving a sour taste in her mouth later.
No this doesnt work all the time. But lets be real even a hooker doesnt like being called a hooker and going forward if she accepts the higher amount in the back of her mind she will think you think shes a hooker. Chances are if youre not a disgusting fat fuck (outside and inside) like Noneck Ed youll be ok.
There have been exceptions but overall I think that comment is pretty accurate.
More often, I end up paying more in absolute terms, even if it's *less* per hour or nut. I have no problem paying $4-500 for an overnight, or most of the night, stay, when I was paying $150-300 for an hour or two.
Maybe not as crazy as it sounds if you have youth or obvious inexperience on your side. Or some chicks just don't care. YOLO
^ oooooh my pistola, we need to sit on the couch and watch 90 day fiance together! I will even shave your legs while we netflix and chill! 😍😉