At what point revenge?

I very rarely spend what I can't afford to lose. So I struggle to see a situation where I'd seek reprisal.

Usually, if I get taken, I point the finger at myself moreso than the ROB. We gotta be smart enough to see through their shit.

The one where I was the most frustrated was a dancer in Vegas. She implied she could be sneaky in the next-level room and I was stupid and paid up front. When another dancer/customer posted up in a booth across from us, and the bouncer took his sweet time to get them set up, she got gunshy. Did she get around to what was implied? Of course not.

But when we were done and I was like, "That wasn't any different than in the lapper room," all I got were blinking fake eyelashes and a two-sentence lecture on how certain activities are illegal and were never going to happen unless thousands of dollars were spent. I proceeded to give her the reasons why she should feel guilty about her about-face on her sales tactic. No reaction or further words. I finally just realized I was wasting my time and left.

The most I think I ever spent in a night was probably around $1,200, and I got my moneys worth out of OTC with a pair of the most sought-after blondes in a particular club. Most of the time, I never even approach that, and wouldn't consider approaching it. So I can't see myself getting to the point of wanting retribution.

We all get taken sometimes. The idea is to get taken so badly that you can't recover.

It's a hypothetical AJ. None of us would ever be taken or seek reprisal :-)

I would draw the line at an extortion attempt involving telling my wife. I would make it clear that extortion is a felony, document texts and any other evidence. Turn her in as last resort.

I assume once I hand over my $$$ I'm not getting it back if things go sideways - only time I'll do something about getting my $$$ back is if she stole it from me and I notice it when she's next to me - I'll get it back by force if I need to.

I try to be extra-careful when I'm spending big $$$ and the more it is the more careful I am and the less I'm willing to pay upfront - having said this I've never done PL-busine$$ for over $300 - the most I've been taking for is $200 when the doorman at a black-dive in Ft Worth unbeknownst to me pickpocketed me - I didn't know it was him till the next day when I was thinking thru how my $200 disappeared.

I can't think of a way that I could get taken for enough money to seek retaliation over it beyond calling her out to other club employees and calling her out as a ROB on here and other hobby sites. That's because I treat it the same way as a night of gambling and I only go into a club or P4P situation with what I'm willing to lose. That way getting ripped off by a ROB is no worse than getting beat by a rough river card in hold 'em.

The only exceptions would be her comiting a crime like forcing me at gunpoint to make a withdrawal or extortion afterwards. Of course if she tried to extort me she would be getting arrested for no reason since nobody would care about my clubbing.

TUSCL should issue letters of marque and reprisal.

The most I have ever done is this one time. Girl I had seen OTC several times. I started to feel comfortable with her so I paid her upfront for a few OTC dates. I kinda felt we had moved our relationship to more of a sugaring type of thing. She no-showed and then would not return my texts.

So I go to her club when I know she is there, make sure she sees me, then just sit there for a couple of hours. She basically sat in the back the entire time. I didn't get anything back but she didn't make any money that session at work. If it wasn't a place where I would like to hang out, I would not have done even this.

I struggle to see a situation where I'd seek out revenge. For starters, I never take more cash into a club than I am willing to spend. Second, I never pay upfront and I'll walk if a girl makes it a firm condition, so whatever she gets from me would likely be nominal. Third I have ample other life reasons not to go looking for additional drama with a girl much younger than I.

Revenge is a dish best tasted when cold. Thiswas my mantra in life when I was young. Then I read Confucious who stated: "Before one embarks upon a journey of revenge, he must first dig two graves". Makes much more sense. There is no circumstances in a club where I would be compelled to seek revenge. If I fuck up, I accept it as a life lesson and move along.

hard to take your issue to management or LE when the issue is an illegal sex act...

I would completely ignore her in the club and make sure she knew I was spending my $ with her competition. But if the experience was that bad and she was a pure ROB then post it on TUSCL to warn others. I have only done that once with a girl who.stole $ from me.

Agreed, I'll not seek "revenge" in any tangible or real-world form, aside from spreading the news and giving her very bad reviews at websites like (but perhaps not limited to) TUSCL. Getting into a REAL spat with someone who lives in the demi-monde can only be a stupid plan, whether or not you think you can genuinely win the spat. You're a paying customer BECAUSE you are able to control your lifestyle enough to gather disposable income unto yourself and then choose where to spend it; she is a needy adult-services-industry worker BECAUSE she is unable to do the same. Therefore, between the two of you, it is HIGHLY more likely that she will break many other rules of society in order to accomplish whatever she wishes in that spat, than you will. She may get caught, sure; but you will be bringing your rational, decent, middle-class, office-employment, cubicle-bound knife-fight assumptions to an angry-poor-trash can't-get-a-job-as-an-executive-assistant uses-cocaine-regularly-for-fun gun-fight type of encounter. Sure, SOME dancers are clean, balanced, together, hookers / dancers -with-a-heart-of-gold. SOME. Not the ones who ROB'ed you in the first lace, probably. Don't fight fire with gasoline.

I keep thinking that someone is going to report or has already reported Fannie's in Atlanta. The dancers regularly upsell the vip but the staff constantly interrupts asking if everything is ok. No point in paying club $50 + $200 tip if the staff wants a tip too.

"The robs are pretty ballsy ripping off PL's that know where they work. "

Ballsy? Maybe

Stupid? Most definitely! Many if not most of these chicks only live in the moment, they can't or won't take a moment to ponder the possible future consequences of the action they're taking or about to take.

" Many if not most of these chicks only live in the moment, they can't or won't take a moment to ponder the possible future consequences of the action they're taking or about to take."

Especially addicts.

All I'll say is that in my life, payback can be hell!

I don't drink or eat at most places unless there is some sort of minimum. I normally keep my money seperate, large bills in one section, door money somewhere else, and stage tips in another places.

I count dances and have no problem tipping or being overly nice to staff (waitresses, doormen, security, etc.)

People in these places talk, dancers often talk and compete for whom has the most money, and some shady places try to set cats up for robbery or shakedowns.

The best you can do is minimize your profile, the amount of cash/cards you have, and just accept some level of risk/loss.

If you get taken you may just have to accept it as being part of the "game".

"Turn her in as last resort." RandomMember

"I'll get it back by force if I need to." Papi_Chulo

I had some issues with strippers but never lost enough to make the experience memorable. However, I have been taken 3 times by escorts, and I remember all 3 times pretty clearly due to how much they got out of me. I have to say that you go into some dark places when you lose that much money. I stopped with the escorts when I realized that if I ever found my self in that situation again I would probably assault or rape the girl to get my money back or to get my money's worth. And if the best solution to a problem is assault/rape, it's probably not a situation I want to be involved in.

If I was more evil, as far as revenge is concerned, I would call up more escorts, invite them to my hotel and rape them when they tried to leave the room with my money. I probably wouldn't pay them either (look who's getting robbed now). Thankfully for those girls, I chose to go back to strip clubbing instead.