Why is this relevant ? 2 reasons I guess.
I have seen a lot of islamophobic rhetoric on here. Disregard for "islamophobia" as a legitimate term is proof in itself of some of your islamophobic beliefs.
I have also seen content on here regarding judicial statements and decisions.
Hating islam means you hate it, not that you are afraid of it.
Hatinf and fearing do not have to be mutually exclusive .they can be mutually inclusive properties.
Islamophobia is a term that pertains to those who fear Islam, because there are people who fear it
The Supreme Court also said at one time that slavery was a -o.k.
Yeah but that same court also struck down segregation..so a prevuous fuck up does not automatically imply that every subsequent judicial decision thereafter will be a fuck up.after all, it's nice to gain recognition .
What a load of bullshit. The SC didn’t make any ruling to that effect, they just acknowledged that the specific piece of art in question doesn’t violate any of the First Amendment provisions.
That’s not an endorsement by any means.
piece of art in question doesn’t violate any of the First Amendment provisions.
No, they acknowledged more than that.
Placement of secular figures such as Caesar Augustus, William Blackstone, Napoleon Bonaparte and John Mar-hall alongside these three religious leaders, however, signals respect not for great proselytizers but for great lawgivers," he wrote.
They did not state that the placement of the political figures in particular signals respect for great lawgivers, but rather that the placement of the political figures alongside the religious figures (I.g a combination of people like Caesar being placed next to ppl like Muhammad) is what signals respect for great law givers..
Islamic/Muslims are the only group of people that are openly hateful towards gay people, oppressive to women, and chant death to Christians yet we still find so called liberals tolerant of their Islamic views. What gives??!!
The liberals are the most tolerant of these types of intolerants. Completely wrong, and one of many reasons why you should not defend the Islamic faith as you claim.
Liberals aren't tolerant at all. Find me a video of some right wing "legitimate" group shouting down speakers. The assholes on the left cannot even hear a diffwering opinion without shouting it down or seeking counselling because in their stupidity and mental illness they don't feel "safe" if they have to hear anything their pea brains cannot agree with. The only reason the Court included a guy who married a nine year old girl was to show that the inclusion of nothings means it was not a Govbernment endorsement of a particular religion. Napoleon Bonaparte was a mass murderer.
^ Skibum, the liberals are tolerant of the intolerant Islamic.
Debating a child about intolerance isn’t a great look
How I "look" is irrelevant' and since the intent of the post was to cause animus, I felt obligated to provide same. Have a great weekend to one and all.
Islamophobia is very strong in this country and on this forum.
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I first saw that there was something seriously wrong about Trump with the Muslim couple who spoke at the Democratic Convention.
Trump was talking about Muslim Bans. He was fondling his xenophobic base.
But such a ban would violate the Constitution, and the courts would later tell him so.
At the Convention a Muslim couple spoke. They challenged Trump, asking if he had ever read the Constitution. They were Naturalized Citizens, having as much right to be called Americans as does Donald Trump.
They lost one of their sons, 27yo, while he as serving in Iraq, as a US Army Captain.
But Trump makes fun of them.
And that is totally wrong, he makes fun of the Muslim Couple, he makes fun of all immigrants, and of all who have descended from immigrants, and he makes fun of all of those who have served in our military.
Donald Trump has no idea at all what this country is about!
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@Nicole do you think that the laws written in the Old Testament Bible should be taken literally by the supreme court?
I hope not because if they did, you would've surely been killed for something.
The Quran is not any different.
Ahl-e Haqq (hereafter referred to as A.H.) is an oriental esoteric order that has attracted an immense number of followers over the centuries and has spread over a vast geographical area. In western provinces of Iran, (Kurdistan, Kermanshah and Azarbayejan) as well as Turkey and Iraq alone the adherents are estimated at around three million.
This Ahl-e Haqq is a Muslim esoteric group. There seem to be lots of such teachings. I suspect that this somehow connects to Yazidi, which are mostly Kurdish. And then their may be some connection to the Ismaili Nizari Shia
Quite a bit of esotericism and occult teachings in Islam.
Kurdish Belly Dance youtube.com
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Occult Secret Orders of Islam
Nizari
A lot of the Kurds are Yizidi. And this is something that ISIS was trying to exterminate.
Yazidi women struggle to return to daily life after enduring Islamic State brutality youtube.com
Yazidi women: Slaves of the Caliphate youtube.com
Terrorized by ISIS, Yazidi refugees find welcoming community in Nebraska youtube.com
Kurdish & Yazidi women fighting ISIS - BBC News youtube.com
Esotericism of Sufism: Connections to Thelema & Islam youtube.com
Thelema & the Yezidi "Devil Worshippers" OTO youtube.com
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Yazidi women struggle to return to daily life after enduring Islamic State brutality youtube.com
It seems to me that in the Middle East, the people who get the wealth, the power, and the military toys, are the people who control the sea ports. That is where the oil goes out.
And they use religious fundamentalism to control the populace. Kind of like how it works in the United States too.
But the Kurds, they don't live down at sea level, they live in the mountains where the countries join together. Their lives are more simple and peaceful.
Their religion is more like esotericism, more a kind of philosophy than a set of rules and an identity.
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The Kurds: The Most Famous Unknown People in the World | Stephen Mansfield | TEDxNashville youtube.com
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Yazidi women: Slaves of the Caliphate youtube.com
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Lalish temple dates back 4000 years
Thelema & the Yezidi "Devil Worshippers" youtube.com
Who Was Aiwaz? The Strange Story of Samuel Jacobs and Aleister Crowley
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Thelema & the Yezidi "Devil Worshippers" youtube.com
Esotericism of Sufism: Connections to Thelema & Islam (OTO, Blazing Star) youtube.com
Religious Minorities Find Sanctuary in Kurdistan youtube.com
What is the Yazidi Religion? youtube.com
Compass: The Yazidi – People of the Peacock Angel youtube.com
THE DENIED YAZIDI FESTIVAL - The voice and future of the Yazidis youtube.com
Who are the Yazidis? youtube.com
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Trump and Yazidi
La rencontre surréaliste entre Donald Trump et la Yazidie Nadia Murad, prix Nobel de la paix 2018 youtube.com
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Yazidi in Lincoln Nebraska, 3000
Yazidi in Winnepeg youtube.com
Omaha Newspaper editorial omaha.com
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Joe Bonamassa - Slow Train - 11/29/18 Queen Elizabeth Theatre - Vancouver, BC youtube.com
Yazidi Cultural Center
300 N 27th St Suite C
Lincoln, NE 68503
Amal Clooney yazda.org
Not finding in libraries any books about the Yazidi religion. Just books about the Isis abductions, something I don't really want to read about.
This book is widely availalbe:
Can't see that above says anything about their religion or culture.
Consider this, widely available:
Sinjar : 14 days that saved the Yazidis from Islamic State / Susan Shand (2018)
Again, seems not to have the kind of material I am looking for.
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Here:
What is the Yazidi Religion? youtube.com
Compass: The Yazidi – People of the Peacock Angel youtube.com
What is the Zoroastrian Religion? youtube.com
What Is The Ancient Religion Zoroastrianism? youtube.com
What is the Baha'i Religion? youtube.com
A Brief Overview of Zoroastrianism youtube.com
Kurdish community revives ancient Zoroastrian faith youtube.com
Are Persians Zoroastrian or Muslim? youtube.com
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Fertile Crescent en.wikipedia.org
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700,000 Yazidi worldwide
Here's Why ISIS Is Targeting Yazidi People youtube.com
Most Iraqi Kurds follow Sunni Islam.
But the Yazidi religion draws from Zoroastrianism, Islam, and Christianity. ( I would add that it also seems to draw from sources we do not understand which are much older, from that Mesopotamian region.)
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Let's get past the bullshit.
It shouldn't matter in this country which religion you belong to or practice or don't practice. The greatness of this country is that each person should be judged by their actions and not by their titles (ie/ race, gender, age, religion, etc.).
The constitution and the laws might have come from a more Christian background but the founders knew that this wasn't to be a religious state. The Bill of Rights says you can follow your religions and meet and worship. The only restraints on that are if those religious rites trample on the individual freedom of others. Worship satan....but don't try to kill a sacrificial human. Wear a burka, but don't demand infidels do the same. Circumcise or don't, it's up to you.
It ultimately comes down the the basic rules.....if all involved are willing participants, and of legal age, it shouldn't be anyone else's business what they do. That's what's been forgotten. The right wants to put their christianity on everyone else. The left wants to put their secularism on everybody else. The anti gun folks want to put their beliefs on everyone else. The anti prostitution folks want to put their beliefs on everyone else. All of that is bullshit. Live and let live. The government should only step in when minors are involved or if one or more parties involved were not willing to participate.
That's my 2 cents anyhow.
^^^^ One of the problems is that Christians try to take over the public square, use their numbers to get the government to fund them.
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Yazidi info
They say that the Yazidi faith is derived from Zoroastrianism. But I know that others consider it to be older.
okay here, an official Yazidi Site, this is what i have been looking for! yeziditruth.org
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So here they are saying that the Yazidi faith goes back to 4000 BCE, so this is 6000 years. They say it started, I guess in Persia or the Middle-East. But they are also saying that it connects to the Hindu faith.
Peacocks are native to India, not to the Middle-East.
Their two scripture books go back only to the 11th and 12th Centuries, CE.
okay, this has their scriptures, and some critical discussion
Islamic State Fighters taking Yazidi Women into Sexual Slavery youtube.com
Yezidi Communities In Other Countries, like the US yeziditruth.org
Peacock Angel yeziditruth.org
A comment, it has always seemed to me that the first half or so of Genesis was probably a refutation of earlier narratives. But if you do not know that those earlier narratives are, then you will probably misinterpret the intent in Genesis. Well it seems now that the Yezidi have part of this earlier tradition. Expanding on the same root narratives, but in a different way.
Ron Lelito Thelema & the Yezidi "Devil Worshippers" (OTO) youtube.com youtube.com
This connects Gurdjieff to the Yezidi influence
Deconstructing Gurdjieff : biography of a spiritual magician / Tobias Churton (2017)
This talks some about Yezidi In search of truth : Augustine, Manichaeism and other gnosticism : studies for Johannes van Oort at sixty / edited by Jacob Albert van den Berg [and others] (2011)
Look like very interesting books, but not in libraries
Devil Worship: The Sacred Books and Traditions of the Yezidis by Isya Joseph (2016)
Cauda Pavonis: Esoteric Antinomianism in the Yezidi Tradition by Peter Lamborn Wilson (2019)
Yezidi Holy Books by Gregory K. Koon (2016)
The Black Book of the Yezidis by Jon Lange (2017)
The Yezidis: Their Sacred Books and Traditions by Isya Joseph
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Deconstructing Gurdjieff: Biography of a Spiritual Magician (2017) Tobias Churton
This man's books are extremely well researched and written. His thinking goes very deep, and so his books can be quite a challenge.
Here I am starting out in the middle with an entire chapter he has on the Yezidi. And he also has other book references, which is what I wanted.
So,
Devil Worship: The Sacred Books and Traditions of the Yezidis ( originally 1919 )
Isya Joseph.
^^^^^ not in academic libraries, and I have no idea why. Seen as Occult, as Satanic? Tell that to 250,000k people at the junction of Iraq, Syria, and Turkey.
a novel, talks about Peacock Angel The most beautiful night of the soul : more stories from the Middle East and beyond / Sándor Jászberényi ; translated from the Hungarian by Paul Olchváry.
here, 1937 The Mandaeans of Iraq and Iran; their cults, customs, magic, legends, and folklore, by E. S. Drower ('E. S. Stevens')
Woman wrote lots of books, en.wikipedia.org
But libraries do not have her 1940 book called Peacock Angel
We do find this in libraries
Survival among the Kurds : a history of the Yezidis / John S. Guest (1987)
Yezidism : its background, observances and textual tradition / by Philip G. Kreyenbroek (1995)
The Yezidis : the history of a community, culture and religion / Birgul Acikyildiz. (2010)
The Yezidis, Salubba, and other tribes of Iraq and adjacent regions / by Henry Field and J.B. Glubb (1943)
Yezidis in Syria : identity building among a double minority / Sebastian Maisel (2017)
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The Stockroom, based in Los Angeles stockroom.com
Blues Greats youtube.com
So according to Tobias Churton, the greatest authority on the Yezedi's is Philip G. Kreyenbroek
Yezidism : its background, observances and textual tradition / by Philip G. Kreyenbroek (1995)
and yes, in academic libraries
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More Esoteric Islam, Shia based, in the near east. Same area as Yezidi.
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Mandaeans and Ezidis of Iraq, the Zoroastrians of Iran, the Copts of Egypt
In search of truth : Augustine, Manichaeism and other gnosticism : studies for Johannes van Oort at sixty / edited by Jacob Albert van den Berg
The religion of the Peacock Angel : the Yezidis and their spirit world / Garnik S. Asatrian and Victoria Arakelova Asatryan, G. S., author (2014)
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Books about Yezidi:
The religion of the Peacock Angel : the Yezidis and their spirit world / Garnik S. Asatrian and Victoria Arakelova (2014)
Heirs to forgotten kingdoms : journeys into the disappearing religions of the Middle East / Gerard Russell (2015)
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look at the different models used for the various colors wickedtemptations.com
Nine Parts of Desire: The Hidden World of Islamic Women Paperback – December 1, 1995 by Geraldine Brooks (Author)
read some of this already, most telling, and most disturbing. The Christians would make it like this here, if they could get away with it.
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PositiveVibbbes tuscl.net
Disagreeing with some aspects of a broad ideology is not a phobia nor has it ever been. It's a made up word from another ideology that says "denial of my made up word is proof you ARE my made up word". If i say the earth is flat, and you either agree and are an ally, or you disagree and therefore you are apart of the conspiracy to perpetuate the sphere lie....then you are a stupid person who thinks every issue doesn't have nuance or debate built in. I've met Iranians, they are bad ass people. Same with Aghans. I also think their governments murder people for who they want to have sex with. I also know for a fact women get stoned to death for the most minor of infractions in the public square and strangers join in.
I find it funny the same people who wore pussy hats and marched against Trump look over look that little fact. I think the War in Iraq was a crime against humanity. I think the Afghan war was a nation building failure. But that being said, I've seen the proof of gays hanging from buildings and women being whipped and stoned and having been over there, I know about what young boys go through in some islamic cultures... I think it's morally abhorrent and I get violently angry when I see it.
I'm not a moron. I don't see muslim dude in the street of my city and say "hey, he looks like the guy on live leak...i'm gonna commit battery and beat his ass." But if I were an occupying force in a country and saw a women getting pelted to death with rocks while they make her wear a black bed sheet for clothing... I would sleep soundly at night after taking anyone with a rock in their hand out with an M249. why, because they are literal murderers. I don't give a fuck if it's ok in their book. Lots of shit in the christian book is not moral and should never be followed too.
The logic train of "if you don't believe what we believe, you are the exact oppressor we are fighting" by the post modernists in this world is what makes me angry the most. Nuance and debate is dead with so many of them. I just genuinely believe they are stupid people who didn't find a god or family to fill their lives with meaning. So they make a large group of people who aren't with their ideology the enemy. It's not the first time in history this has happened, and it won't be the last. But they are just stupid people. They scream during debates with people to silence them. They are adult children throwing temper tantrums. If someone of my own political leanings and religious beliefs behaved in the same way, i'd label them as stupid adult children throwing a temper tantrum.
Stop watching TV news and reading internet news. Question all authority. Ask questions if something doesn't make sense. Be kind to everyone unless they give you a reason not to. Prepare for the worst and hope/work for the best.
Go away, Cacaplop
The Muslim fundamentalists are often persecuting women. In this country this will not be tolerated, but there still can be problems.
If the thought they could get away with it, our Christian fundamentalists would be doing the same things.
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Islamaphobia is a fake, hate speech phrase used as a weapon by bigots. Hating islam means you hate it, not that you are afraid of it. Mohammed had a nine year old wife. The Supreme Court also said at one time that slavery was a -o.k.. Just another fuck up.