A Dancer's Perspective (as told to me) on the Economics of Extras Club VIP
goldmongerATL
The Square Above Charlie Weaver
There had been some discussion on the board about dancers not doing VIP at extras clubs. Earlier this year I had a conversation about this with a dancer that I have taken to VIP before. I also learned a bit about what dancers share about VIP's by hearing what was shared about me. Oh, and there was a factoid about how some guys overcharge themselves for lap dances.
This is at Follies. I mention that for these parameters: $10 dances. The club is an extras VIP factory. VIP nets a girl $100 but is now moving towards $150 to the girl for 30 minutes or less (most girls wrap it up when you finish). When it is crowded, a girl can be table dancing continuously if she is good.
The conversation started when I asked this girl why sometimes she offered me VIP right away and other times did not bring it up. She said it depended on if it was crowded/busy.
Her economics - if it is not crowded, she might only make $30-$40 in the 30 minutes she could go to VIP. So at $100 a VIP gets her $60 over not going. If it is crowded, she might make $60-$80 vs that $100. Not worth it. But, if she can get out of VIP in 15 minutes, now you are back to $40 vs $100.
(At this point she got up from doing RCG and bent over the arm of the couch so I could stand up and hit it from behind.)
She said that's why some girls are now charging $150. Otherwise it is not worth it to them. Then she caught me off guard.
"That's why some girls don't like going to VIP with you."
A hundred possible reasons flashed through my mind. Odor? My shoes? My fist is too big up their ass? They don't like being choked unconscious? What?
She said I take too long for some girls. They are banking on getting out of VIP in 10 or 15 minutes. Plus a longer session is more physically demanding given the pace some girls cycle through VIP. She said she didn't mind because she enjoys sex and has a better chance of getting off with a guy that takes longer. She doesn't enjoy a guy that is done in 5 minutes, but it is better economically. (Not saying I'm any good, but I count on being back there almost all the 30 minutes).
Also learned a bit on how this dancer can make extra money off out of towners when doing lap dances. Let's say a guy does 4 dances. At Follies prices that is $40. This dancer was clear that if asked how much it is per dance or how much she is owed she answers based on $10. But, she will only say it was 4 dances when they are done. Local guys know the drill, but if an out of town guy hands her $80 or $100, she just thanks him.
So, is that guy posting on tuscl that she "charged" him $20 or $25 a dance? Dunno. Is that borderline ROB territory? To me, no, but it's close.
This is at Follies. I mention that for these parameters: $10 dances. The club is an extras VIP factory. VIP nets a girl $100 but is now moving towards $150 to the girl for 30 minutes or less (most girls wrap it up when you finish). When it is crowded, a girl can be table dancing continuously if she is good.
The conversation started when I asked this girl why sometimes she offered me VIP right away and other times did not bring it up. She said it depended on if it was crowded/busy.
Her economics - if it is not crowded, she might only make $30-$40 in the 30 minutes she could go to VIP. So at $100 a VIP gets her $60 over not going. If it is crowded, she might make $60-$80 vs that $100. Not worth it. But, if she can get out of VIP in 15 minutes, now you are back to $40 vs $100.
(At this point she got up from doing RCG and bent over the arm of the couch so I could stand up and hit it from behind.)
She said that's why some girls are now charging $150. Otherwise it is not worth it to them. Then she caught me off guard.
"That's why some girls don't like going to VIP with you."
A hundred possible reasons flashed through my mind. Odor? My shoes? My fist is too big up their ass? They don't like being choked unconscious? What?
She said I take too long for some girls. They are banking on getting out of VIP in 10 or 15 minutes. Plus a longer session is more physically demanding given the pace some girls cycle through VIP. She said she didn't mind because she enjoys sex and has a better chance of getting off with a guy that takes longer. She doesn't enjoy a guy that is done in 5 minutes, but it is better economically. (Not saying I'm any good, but I count on being back there almost all the 30 minutes).
Also learned a bit on how this dancer can make extra money off out of towners when doing lap dances. Let's say a guy does 4 dances. At Follies prices that is $40. This dancer was clear that if asked how much it is per dance or how much she is owed she answers based on $10. But, she will only say it was 4 dances when they are done. Local guys know the drill, but if an out of town guy hands her $80 or $100, she just thanks him.
So, is that guy posting on tuscl that she "charged" him $20 or $25 a dance? Dunno. Is that borderline ROB territory? To me, no, but it's close.
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"I don't like doing VIP with black-guys bc they beat up my pussy - I take care of my pussy"
She was always wanting to do VIP with me
I also end up tipping too much. What do you think a standard tip should be?
One favorite told me that she considers a 30 minute VIP to be 8 songs which sounds about right to me. Raven, a white chick quoted me $350. I have passed on all Cubans. They are stuck on $200.
I do see guys in and out in 10 minutes. I don't know how much they are paying but they are going with girls that I wouldn't fuck with your dick.
I am finding a lot of dancers that won't do more than a HJ in VIP. I certainly wouldn't pay $150 for that. I'm having difficulty finding dancers that I even want to take to VIP.
The dancers that I do take to VIP know that I am going to Tip them $20. So they will be making $120, working less hard for it and keeping a good regular.
IMO dancer quality is really down and the number of VIPs that I do is way down as a result. To compensate for that, I rarely leave the club without at least getting a HJ at the table for the $10 price of dances and a $20 tip.
I wouldn't call it a ROB when the girl just says it was 4 dances instead of $40. She said she was honest if they ask how much per dance. It is on the customer to know or ask the price preferably before agreeing to dances. The rest of the $80-100 is just a generous tip if he didn't know better.
I disagree - she's withholding the truth at best especially when she knows/feels they are paying extra out of ignorance rather than leaving a tip on purpose.
What amount would be reasonable for FS since $100 is too low for you?
I would think it because the cost of living in Atlanta is low compared to Miami
You wouldn’t be getting $100 for FS anywhere in Miami that I know off...
The Cheapest I ever got was $200 { $60 to the Agency & $140 to the Lady} for an hour of covered sex at a Latina Massage Parlor with a very beautiful Columbian with Fake Tits...
If I had gone to let say Scarlets, E11even OR Tootsies that would have easily cost me anywhere from $300 - $500...
Both the Cubans & White Spinners are gradually developing Golden Pussy Syndrome...
Also the Gold Digging Attitude is also at an all time high right now in Miami due to too many Transplants moving to Miami from out-of-State...
I think $150 is a fair price for Follies - $200 still fair if she's an 8 (or above) - always nice to pay less but compared to what seems the going-rate in most SCs, I think these figures are still on the low-end for the decent talent @ Follies - this is just an opinion not what I think every PL should pay - and of course it's different for an out-of-towner that will do Follies VIP once in a blue-moon, vs a Follies regular that does VIP often in which case the lowest-possible VIP-price is a big help
"... You wouldn’t be getting $100 for FS anywhere in Miami that I know off ..."
In the small black clubs like Mint or Body Club it can be done for $100 (to the girl; not counting room-fee) - not every girl will be a taker but enough will - the girls that normally do extras will likely take the $100; the ones that usually don't probably won't but perhaps would take $150+ - I usually pay around $120 (and tip extra for extra-effort which they often put in)
I think Miami, mainly the Cubans; are often about trying to screw you out of your $$$; and why I often avoid doing business w/ the avg Cuban even though I'm Cuban myself - many of the Cuban dancers see business as them screwing you out of as much as possible vs dealing w/ you fairly - not all Cubans or Cuban-dancers are that way; but enough are to create a negative scene
I don't really agree with OP though. He's over complicating matters. When a lot of hookers work a club, management gets a cut and there's a different tip out scale involved. But even with regular tip out, the minimum is usually $5 to $20... so...
Also, the prices seem pretty low for VIP, so I can't really say anything about that. I have no experience with clubs that cheap....
It is an extreme bargain at $150 total and still a good deal at $200. Objectively these are high 6's and 7's with a rare 8. There are 5's and lower 6's too, but I don't choose them.