I recently learned that one of my favs dances at another bar. Ive been used to getting LFK and over the pants HJ from her for a year, have always tipped well along with always buying her drinks. I let her know I was interested in seeing her at the high mileage place for "some fun". I did my intel off of TUSCL and some other sites to understand what the going rate of VIP was and was taken aback when she texted me the morning saying "make sure you bring money". I played along asking how much I should bring and was shocked to see that she quoted me $200 over the average VIP of this place. I turned her down saying perhaps Id come by later this month, but her quote turned me off. Im not sure if her quotes are higher than her fellow dancers, but my gut feeling is that I pay a little more generously than other customers and she's trying to lock me in at a higher rate. Looking back on it I had a few options.
1.) Bargain with her joking about what other girls charge at the bar. 2.) Take some time off from seeing her. 3.) Pretend like the convo never happened and continue to see her regularly at the low mileage bar
Im leaning towards 3. Years ago I would have no problem removing her from my rotation, but ive learned dancers can care less about long term strategies to keep regulars loyal. They only seem to remember your face and how much money they can take from you each time you visit.
Over tipping is a fine balance. you want to tip enough to properly incentivize the dancer. at the same time you don't want to come across as being overly generous or naive. i'm with john. pussy is cheap in jersey and there's lots of options. you have to be prepared to walk out of the club if you don't see anything you like. but there a few hot girls who will take very god care of you at vip.
I have a hard time believing that if you go the #3 route that this incident won't continue to nag at you and prevent you from enjoying your sessions as much as you used to. Let us know how it works out.
You have forgotten that she is playing you. You must not forget that this is fantasy land. Don’t get emotionally involved. It will bite you in the ass. Just visit her wherever she is affordable or simply find another.
I would also lean towards option 3 but keep this in mind, woman communicate differently than men, so she may feel the quoted price is everytime you see her not just the for high mileage club.
@flag in the past it would have, but ive learned not to put these girls on too high of a pedastal or use logic when it comes to understanding thier behavior. Of the many women Ive danced with she's a strong #2 on my ranking list . She only cares about making her weekly quota by any means necessary. Ill just take a few weeks off and visit her like nothing happened
All depends on how intensely you want the extras from her at the higher mileage club and whether you think she does the extras you want. If you wanna buy what you think she’s selling, don’t play mind games, be direct, and consider letting it play out live at that other club instead of texting it through in advance. If club’s conveniently located to you, ask her when she’s on shift and go there. Say what it is you’re looking for and if she quotes you stupid ass high price, tell her nope, that you’ve done your research, know what the pricing is and it’s $X and is she down or not. If you get the price you want, have some fun. If you don’t get the price you want, have some fun with some other girls of your choice there. Either she’ll come around or she won’t. Never know unless you try.
IF the new quote irritated me, I'd just move on from her. If not, and I really wanted extras from her, I'd make a counter offer. I would NOT "joke" about what the other girls offer, it comes off as weak, it's not like she doesn't know the difference between passive aggressive and an actual joke. In person or by text, "hey would love to see you but that's a bit over my budget, could you do $XXX?"
Good points. I may in the future explore those options if she asks if id be interested in seeing her at the high mileage club. Luckily i have enough experience where I have a small roster of low mileage and high mileage girls. My current high mileage girl blows my socks off and since we have history her price is pretty economical.
Is she offering more at the high mileage club than what you're used to getting from her, which now is limited to getting kissed and jerked off through your pants?
You already said yourself that you don't know if what she wants is higher than what other girls charge at the high mileage club. Is the issue really that you don't want to pay the going rate for something more than an over the pants handjob? In the NYC metro area, a $200 tip over a room fee for not so clean fun is not exactly out of line. I'm flying a little blind though without knowing what the room fee is and how much of it she keeps.
Also, is there any particular reason that she needed to tell you to bring money? Have you used the "this is all I have" excuse with her before? ;)
@rick Yes she offers substantially more at the high mileage club. I know enough about rates and $350 in NJ can get me 2 hours with a porn star during eXXXOtica. To be honest the prospect of higher mileage from her was simply a novelty. Maybe im a rare one but I enjoy a 15-20 minute low mileage LD over a shorter high mileage LD. In the SC environment high mileage LD feel very mechanical and are usually rushed.
I love to bargain, but at strip clubs I like to be passive. This strategy works and only once a year does a girl try to play me. A few examples could be inflating the dance count, performing terribly in the LD area, and getting distracted by other customers when im present. I simply brush it off and ignore them for a few visits.
For example, I had a fav who was so used to me being a gentleman that she developed a habit of asking me to wait for her barside if she noticed she had another 1 song regular was at the bar. I shrugged it off and got a new fa√ at the bar. She apologized and our relationship got to the point that if I called and said I was coming she would sit by herself for 15 minutes before I got there to make sure she had my attention.
So in other words, you're already getting what you want at a price point that you're comfortable with. Cool beans. As I've always said on here, I will never criticize another grown man for how he spends his own money. It's the reason I avoid commenting every time I hear some guy brag about cumming in his own pants, even if it never ceases to make me cringe a bit. If LFK/OTP HJ is what you prefer then go yee forth I suppose.
But I think it's a leap to accuse her of overcharging. Some on here from flyover country might be astonished at a $350 ($150 room fee plus $200 tip) price tag for a 15 minute room, but those of us who club in the tri-state know that some would consider that a bargain for full service ITC in that region. She probably only keeps half of the room fee, so her net is less than $300. Assuming $150 in booze and tips spent before the main event, that's $500 for a full night night out at the club that concludes with a fuck finish with a hottie. Again, to each his own, but that's far from an unreasonable night out by northeast strip club standards.
I like LFK/OTP HJ or BJ because although condoms are effective im not willing to risk my health on some of the girls I meet. NJ may have some of the highest mileage girls in the country.
I know she's overcharging based on rates ive heard from other customers and I pay a premium over what other customers pay at the lower mileage club. I know for a fact that the club charges $50 room fee. $350-$500 in one visit will always be ridiculous to me. Id prefer to club two days in a row and spend that money than blow that in one visit lol. The clubs I go to arent the ritzy places that pander to tourists, bacherlor parties, and wall street guys in nyc. Im talking working class jersey bars.
I like LFK/OTP HJ or BJ because although condoms are effective im not willing to risk my health on some of the girls I meet. NJ may have some of the highest mileage girls in the country.
I know she's overcharging based on rates ive heard from other customers and I pay a premium over what other customers pay at the lower mileage club. I know for a fact that the club charges $50 room fee. $350-$500 in one visit will always be ridiculous to me. Id prefer to club two days in a row and spend that money than blow that in one visit lol. The clubs I go to arent the ritzy places that pander to tourists, bacherlor parties, and wall street guys in nyc. Im talking working class jersey bars.
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Strippers are a dime a dozen.
I personally would delete her number and forget it.
@flag in the past it would have, but ive learned not to put these girls on too high of a pedastal or use logic when it comes to understanding thier behavior. Of the many women Ive danced with she's a strong #2 on my ranking list . She only cares about making her weekly quota by any means necessary. Ill just take a few weeks off and visit her like nothing happened
If you wanna buy what you think she’s selling, don’t play mind games, be direct, and consider letting it play out live at that other club instead of texting it through in advance.
If club’s conveniently located to you, ask her when she’s on shift and go there. Say what it is you’re looking for and if she quotes you stupid ass high price, tell her nope, that you’ve done your research, know what the pricing is and it’s $X and is she down or not. If you get the price you want, have some fun. If you don’t get the price you want, have some fun with some other girls of your choice there.
Either she’ll come around or she won’t. Never know unless you try.
You can make her a counter offer or suggest OTC.
You already said yourself that you don't know if what she wants is higher than what other girls charge at the high mileage club. Is the issue really that you don't want to pay the going rate for something more than an over the pants handjob? In the NYC metro area, a $200 tip over a room fee for not so clean fun is not exactly out of line. I'm flying a little blind though without knowing what the room fee is and how much of it she keeps.
Also, is there any particular reason that she needed to tell you to bring money? Have you used the "this is all I have" excuse with her before? ;)
Yes she offers substantially more at the high mileage club. I know enough about rates and $350 in NJ can get me 2 hours with a porn star during eXXXOtica. To be honest the prospect of higher mileage from her was simply a novelty. Maybe im a rare one but I enjoy a 15-20 minute low mileage LD over a shorter high mileage LD. In the SC environment high mileage LD feel very mechanical and are usually rushed.
I love to bargain, but at strip clubs I like to be passive. This strategy works and only once a year does a girl try to play me. A few examples could be inflating the dance count, performing terribly in the LD area, and getting distracted by other customers when im present. I simply brush it off and ignore them for a few visits.
For example, I had a fav who was so used to me being a gentleman that she developed a habit of asking me to wait for her barside if she noticed she had another 1 song regular was at the bar. I shrugged it off and got a new fa√ at the bar. She apologized and our relationship got to the point that if I called and said I was coming she would sit by herself for 15 minutes before I got there to make sure she had my attention.
But I think it's a leap to accuse her of overcharging. Some on here from flyover country might be astonished at a $350 ($150 room fee plus $200 tip) price tag for a 15 minute room, but those of us who club in the tri-state know that some would consider that a bargain for full service ITC in that region. She probably only keeps half of the room fee, so her net is less than $300. Assuming $150 in booze and tips spent before the main event, that's $500 for a full night night out at the club that concludes with a fuck finish with a hottie. Again, to each his own, but that's far from an unreasonable night out by northeast strip club standards.
I know she's overcharging based on rates ive heard from other customers and I pay a premium over what other customers pay at the lower mileage club. I know for a fact that the club charges $50 room fee. $350-$500 in one visit will always be ridiculous to me. Id prefer to club two days in a row and spend that money than blow that in one visit lol. The clubs I go to arent the ritzy places that pander to tourists, bacherlor parties, and wall street guys in nyc. Im talking working class jersey bars.
I know she's overcharging based on rates ive heard from other customers and I pay a premium over what other customers pay at the lower mileage club. I know for a fact that the club charges $50 room fee. $350-$500 in one visit will always be ridiculous to me. Id prefer to club two days in a row and spend that money than blow that in one visit lol. The clubs I go to arent the ritzy places that pander to tourists, bacherlor parties, and wall street guys in nyc. Im talking working class jersey bars.