With all the political talk, do you move a little left when interacting with wom
Muddy
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I’m convinced it’s impossible to date in a big city while being a out and about Trump voter. While I’m not gonna wear my Hilary Clinton 2020 shirt, I’m gonna usually just try to stay away from all that stuff. I can’t in good faith even nod my head, or not even puke when I hear universal free college for everyone or all this free shit these lefty nut jobs want. But to be honest if that’s what gets me laid that fuck it I’ll play along. You guys gotta have some stories or dilemmas on this shit. Almost every girl 18-35 fucking hates Donald Trump.
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That was actually funny @Dougster. Good job.
Most of these millennials I've run into don't have time to keep up with politics and current-events. Current SB (since Aug) is 21 and and pre-pharmacy major. She's definitely a Trump supporter and we just don't talk about politics. ATF was this skinny Italian girl from SF, out in my area as a peace-and-justice major. I would send her articles and she would read every word. She's out in S. California now in law school, paid by her employer.
To answer the question, I wouldn't be able to tolerate really dumb right-wing and/or hard-core Randoids. BTW, I'm not in favor of free college.
But he got me laid!
I met this beautiful 23 year old snowbunny last year while clubbing down in Va Beach. OMG, 5'5" 120 with a bubble ass that brought tears to my eyes.
I saw her standing at the bar alone trying to order a drink. I got the bartenders attention and she ordered. She thanked me and we began talk. Our conversation started off slow and I honestly thought she was losing interest. Then it got political, she was a die hard Trump supporter and being retired military (which came up in our conversation) She wanted to know how I felt about Trump.
I wasn't argumentative with her while we went back and forth about Trump. She actually had some valid political points which made it easier for me to seem convincingly supportive, plus I was horny as fuck, the idea of a one night stand was extremely intoxicating. I told her that I didn't vote for him but after hearing her points of view I would jump ship in 2020. Who says women don't have egos!
We went back to my hotel room and she fucked me like I was an old boyfriend she wanted to rekindle with after finding out he had won the lottery.
We did some really freaky shit that night. You know when a woman looks back at you and says your fucking name that you are hitting that spot. Hell we just met and she is calling my name. My dick game got stronger.
Muddy9 all I can say to you my man is that in the end we do not know these politicians personally so try not to take it personal when you meet a young woman who may not be on the same page as you politically. Who knows you may meet a freak from the opposite side of the aisle.
I damn sure did!
"I am very liberal because of a strong desire for fairness in the world."
Please describe your definition of "fairness"
I'm conservative because of a strong desire for fairness in the world.
Is it fair for someone to risk their savings to start up a company, work really hard and smart to succeed financially, and then have a large portion of their earnings taken away to provide for some loser that just smokes the Loser Leaf all day while playing video games?
I think it is unfair to not allow someone to enjoy the fruits of their labor.
We have the most generous population in the world in regards to charitable giving. I'd much rather give what I can/want to who I want than to have it taken from me and squandered.
All that would accomplish is reducing the incentive to grow and lead to less employment.
You know that how ?
ROFLMFAO
DC when you came here a few months ago, you sounded more intelligent than you do now, I guess that stupidity is contagious, you seem to be easily impressed by the wrong things, your values are really way off.
I am not going to talk at the broad level. Just in a personal experience level. I am personally somebody who hangs around people from a lower social class.
I don’t like saying this out loud, because it involves people I care about. (Especially the ones who took me in during high school when I was basically abandoned by my biological family.)
But what I can say is that it’s not so simple as “poor people are being brought down by the Man” There is a stereotype on this board of the stripper with the mooch boyfriend. I’ll just say that it’s *not* just strippers. So while you can bring up the 60 hr/wk workers, what’s not mentioned are those who are living off them. (Who are not necessarily their children)
I think the hard workers are an especially sad case. Because there are so many ways to work smarter and not harder out there. But I think the environment they are in and the mindset is what steers them away from greener pastures.
I will say that being poor causes vicious cycles. Getting into the mentality “spend the money before it vanishes”. Get into monthly payment obligations one shouldn’t get into. And then boom get a repossession. Get those late notices. Be depressed and succumb to advertisement of cheap thrills that aren’t so cheap after all.
But if people made short term lifestyle sacrifices to get into a better place, it’s statistically very possible to crawl out of. But it doesn’t happen like that.
I mean heck, I also have a couple of friends who have had the nitwit idea of wanting to get knocked up on purpose despite having a shaky relationship and shaky emotional situations. And the goal of children was to emotionally validate themselves...which that part pisses me off. A parent is supposed to be the emotional rock for a child, not vice versa.
It’s this kind of mindset that also causes the most bitterness. For example DC, if you want to come to Texas, I’m half tempted to have you hang around a lot of people I know personally for an extended period of time. So you can meet some of the friends where there is a lot of resentment against upper middle class whites. And you can see a lot of the self-imposed problems in their lives that have nothing to do with upper middle class whites (and yet still blame them as the enemy causing it)
If you had to personally witness how *individuals* become their own worst enemy with making decisions to keep themselves at that social tier, you may have a different idea than just simply “give them money.”
Bonus points, feel free to come visit with a couple of grand, and give a few hundred to a few different individuals. So you can see how quickly that money goes to middle chain restaurants, brand name retail clothes, or electronics.
(And yet you as upper middle class whitey will still be a problem)
DC--I'll give you something to consider most people who come from a lower middle to middle class background start off making minimum wage--I did as well when it was 1.40 per hour. The difference is you are expected to advance your career past that point by acquiring a skill set that makes you worth more than minimum wage.
As a secondary point of observation most people considered rich do not own five Lamborghinis. Unless I've slipped recently I'm in the 3% net worth in the USA which means 97% of the population has less net worth than me. I drive something a lot less expensive than a Lamb......and I don't make 30 million a year either.
As far as civvie dating life goes, I don't have that problem. My wife hates socialism more than anyone, having experienced it first hand. Although I have dated many women who were complete liberals, I dodged any committal conversation until after I got laid. My advice would be to so the same: just defer the coversation until after you get your dick wet. Get her going doggystyle. Just before you nut, tell her "finish the wall and call me daddy."
I believe that every one of those liberal actors and supporters should donate all of their money and leave my money alone. If Oprah believes so strongly in all this bullshit then empty out your accounts and live like a normal person, until then shut the fuck up oprah. I don't mind being very generous with my money, but generosity is when it is freely given NOT when it is demanded by a bunch of lazy assholes
So no, I don't move any further to the left. That would be quite difficult.
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So, win win.
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When he starts complimenting me, you know it's horseshit ( or oxycontin)
I think it is also because San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle all have strong trade union history, coming from the waterfront, and from the Depression. Los Angeles, being more of a Mafia town, I think is not like this. Hawaii has its Peaceful Democratic Revolution, no longer willing to be run by Republicans as a sugar plantation, and instead demanding statehood.
So though not all, there are a lot of dancers which I quickly get along with very well.
For the most part today, the Right runs on the premise that poor people are poor because they suffer from character disorder. If this continues unchecked, it will destroy our nation. Democracy could never function under that.
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Alvin Lee – The Bluest Blues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB6OlJqV…
The poor (collectively) are just simply people who behave in a way that’s predictable in their circumstances, because of how humans are proven to respond to scarcity.
https://www.kitces.com/blog/scarcity-how…
(Btw scarcity traps can affect people in other ways than just money)
So I do acknowledge that it is sad as far as life circumstances go. But acknowledging the reality of the scarcity trap means acknowledging that simple wealth resistribution, because of how human nature works, is limited in its effectiveness.
Meanwhile, all that greater centralized ability to collect money from others enables governments a certain amount of abuse themselves, with respect to both tax revenue and also power.
It takes a lot for an individual to break free from the norms of where he/she is from to get a leg up in the world. And it will always be a tiny minority. In my opinion, it’s best to have policies that are simply less burdensome on those who wish to be that tiny minority.
With the consolation that it’s not all gloom and doom. The vast majority of Americans today, even poor ones, technically speaking have more “wealth” with respect to what money can buy them than a Rockefeller did 100 years ago.
https://fee.org/articles/you-are-richer-…
I agree...
I have came a long ways. I am not out of te woods yet but I grew up in a bad neighborhood and i have worked my way to a lot better situation
^^ this book helped me realize being broke or rich is a mindset and not what happens to you or what someone does to you. It changed my life for the positive.
This myth is one of the things which makes political organizing extremely hard.
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Why they come here to go to college?
I do believe it is harder now than it was twenty-five years ago. At least legally and legitimately.
Lots and lots of people who are just surviving, quite literally.
People try to come here because a myth has been sold, and also because in there country there are other types of problems.
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This is what I go by, competent statistical research, not antecdotes.
But I do notice that immigrants come here believing in upwards mobility, but this is mostly because there are serious political problem where they are coming from.
They call it the American Dream for a reason.
David Stuart, Guyamas Chronicles, talks about how people in Mexico believe that rich people lead better lives, and this is a big factor in creating misery.
Immigrants come here and they believe that becoming wealthy will make life better. But by any objective measures this is not true. But it is understandable that poor people would think this.
Again, this is what makes political organizing hard.
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A large portion of the US population, like over 40% is only to pay checks away from defaulting on rent of mortgage. Lots of people to get the house in the place they want, or just to get any house, have to accept dual income sized mortgage payments. This doubles the chances of troubles in employment our health causing them to go into default.
https://www.amazon.com/Two-Income-Trap-M…
Lots of immigrants from Mexico like working here, they can save money and sometimes send home remittances. But they are living in situations which most Americans would not like at all, and are in no way indicative of "upwards mobility". And mostly these immigrants are just temporary workers, happy to go home to the slower paced and lower cost way of life they are used to.
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Additionally and here is the real rub and something I touch on often.--you can't look at something with far reaching considerations as if it exist in a vacuum.
Our numbers have declined in this country in the past decade? Can you think of an issue that might impact the father to son ration of upward mobility that has not been addressed in the past decade or longer but more so in the last decade? (Actually multiple issues come to mind)
:) :) :)
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Have you ever been to Mexico?
Probably both.
I bet you reconsider your position once you get out of academia and into the real world and start earning a living.
Nobody is saying there shouldn't be taxes.
But it is the extent of those taxes that is at question.
You are advocating that anything earned above x amount should be taxed at 100% and any savings that have been accumulated over y amount should be forfeited.
That is fucking insane. You must be trolling or retarded. Which is it?
I prefer the fair tax, so that we are taxed on what we spend.
The current system is regressive, the more productive I am the more I have to pay in taxes.... It encourages lower productivity
I would rather see everyone pay based on what they spend. You see that drug dealer driving a Bentley that he paid for with untaxed money, tax the consumption instead of the income and this will not be a problem
It would be the "fairest" though.
Though not being a tax person, I suspect that except when paying shareholder dividends, corporations can usually avoid all taxes except for real property tax, and in some places a business asset tax.
It it is only really large companies with widely held shares and very little growth in share value, who are likely to pay dividends anyway. They pay dividends because there is nothing else they can offer to share holders.
Start up companies do not pay dividends.
So it is already like you say, the $100 Meg in gross receipts is not taxed. It is only the salaries, and any money a proprietor takes out for themselves, which get taxed as personal income.
And I do agree with you about your tax plan, basically just going pre-Reagan, though with the bracket trip points updated to today.
Remember, about all that upper income money does is inflate the stock and real estate markets. It is really just the costs of keeping up with the Joneses. And those people put their money there, really just because they don't seem to see that there could be better places to put it.
Also, pre-Reagan, the upper tax brackets were not inflation indexed. So you had bracket creep, and then a lot of Dual Income Yuppies were getting pushed into high brackets. This issue alone got Reagan and his party lots of votes. Okay, but see, inflation had been lower.
So Reagan did not index the brackets, he just eliminated them. This in turn, freed up money to go after real estate and start concentrating ownership, and thus has continually created even more inflationary pressure.
The gov't gets the money it needs, but it gets it by interest bearing T-Bills, instead of by taxation. And it is also having to continually try to fight off the very inflation which gutting progressive income tax has created. This means that it cannot loosen up the money supply, money which would help in building up a more innovative and long term productive economy.
If only the MAGA people were capable of reading and understanding:
America: What Went Wrong?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/083627…
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Jon Hassel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQcOR91C…
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Supply Sideism is "Voodoo Economics".
Or it is what Al Franken called it, "Faith Based Economics".
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Why don't you pay attention to financial crash of 2008? The government had to bail out institutions like Bear and AIG. AIG alone needed $180 BILLION dollars that was never returned to taxpayers. After that we had TARP which involved another $750B of taxpayer money to rescue another 9 investment banks. While this was going down, many employed by the banks walked away with millions, or even hundreds of millions of dollars. Smaller businesses are homeowners were not those who were rescued.
You could easily argue that the banks had a negative impact on society, yet they were rewarded with huge cash payouts and rescued by the average taxpayer.
This sounds right to me.
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In their PDF's they have a lot of Martinist stuff.
https://thavmapub.com/
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They get paid a fair wage. If they think they deserve more they can negotiate a better wage or find a job that pays more. If they don't want the job, somebody else would be grateful for the opportunity.
But this keeps people from realizing that they're poor and that being rich is unattainable.
And one good thing though, as I see it, Mexico and Mexicans have not really adopted middle-class thinking.
This is why some of the girls in our underground and clandestine FS Front Room circuit are so good with guys. They don't try to separate winners from losers.
As Sartre and de Beauvoir would always say, "The Middle-Class lives in Bad Faith."
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Alvin Lee – The Bluest Blues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB6OlJqV…
And other girls hate those I speak of, "The Beloved Latina Escorts". Its not that they don't do the same things. Its because this core group of Latinas were so good at it. They really made a guy feel like a king.
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Alvin Lee – The Bluest Blues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB6OlJqV…
Take McDonalds, the can afford to pay their workers 15 an hour. They might and often do support these wage increases. You know who can't support 15 an hour? Dave's burgers that is next door to McDonalds. So Dave has to raise his prices, now you want a burger, where do you go, to get a $15 Dave burger ornament $4 McDonalds burger? Now Dave doesn't make enough to pay for his 10 workers $15 an hour, so what does he do? He can close his company, or lay off some workers. That's at the top level. Dave gets supplies from Rick's trucking company who now increased their drivers wages, which they pass along to the customer. Rick's trucking co. Is full of Steve's bread, Steve had to raise prices on his bread because of a minimum wage increase that he's passing along to his customers. Mike's cheese has an increased cost too, along this Tim's pickels, Mark's catsup, and Frank's mustard. All maybe an increase of a few pennies to a few dollars, but now back to Dave. Dave has higher costs everywhere in the chain, he's already laid off a few workers, and reduced supply because he can't afford the inventory when he's hemorrhaging business to Walmart next door.
Now Dave need to buy things to support his family, but what's this, this price of all good has gone up, and his new job really can't afford to buy the products he needs to buy. His wife and daughter start stripping and working OTC to help make ends meet.
Dave's wife returns home, but she's always too tired for sex, so now Dave decided to get some OTC, but he can't afford the increased rates, so now he contemplates killing himself.
But hey...at least 18 year olds and other people with zero skills are making $15 an hour.
But so what. You can't justify problematic business practices just because they create jobs.
Making sure those at the bottom are doing okay has to be a responsibility of our entire society, and administered by those we have elected and have come to call our government.
With advanced industrialization, and without large scale wars, we have to assume that the market for labor will become smaller and smaller, and I mean all kinds of paid employment.
These are the benefits of industrialization, and also the benefits of ending the Cold War.
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We need to move to Universal Basic Income.
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But this also is not a welfare program, as what distinquishes it is that it is not needs tested. Everyone gets it.
And so for the first time, the poor will not be pilloried and disgraced.
The costs of not having this today probably already out weigh the costs of having it.
SJG
Having been in business myself, for the majority of my adult, life and having grown up in a family where my dad was a successful entrepreneur, I’ll give you a single piece of advice, running a business is hard, most businesses fail within 5 years, the payoff is terrific for some, (actually very few) but the vast majority of you would be better of acquiring a skill and putting your effort into being the best at your job you can, that is more likely to payoff than running your own business for most of you.
Starting and running a business takes more hard work and dedication than the vast majority are capable of.
Actually what happened was the following: On March 14, 2008, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York agreed to provide a $25 billion loan to Bear Stearns collateralized by free and clear assets from Bear Stearns in order to provide Bear Stearns the liquidity for up to 28 days that the market was refusing to provide. Shortly thereafter the Federal Reserve Bank of New York had a change of heart and told Bear Stearns that the 28-day loan was unavailable to them. The deal was then changed to where the NY FED would create a company to buy $30 billion worth of Bear Stearns assets. Two days later, on March 16, 2008, Bear Stearns signed a merger agreement with JPMorgan Chase in a stock swap worth $2 a share or less than 7 percent of Bear Stearns' market value just two days before.
Oddly I'm accused of getting things wrong when I insert a P into the Nobel Prize where as you get it wrong entirely.
I'm not going to repeat myself on the tax issue but again the amount of people in this country that actually make a half million dollars a year is so small that you could tax them 90% and it wouldn't change the deficit or fund any of the liberal pie in the sky programs they want to run.
I suggest the Brooklyn bartender buy some large corks and a hammer and plug up the cows butts herself she wants to stop them from farting.....
The real issue to me is the government track record for spending responsibly is horrendous. I used to ask this question when the previous administration was in office and wanted to raise taxes--especially after the "porkulus bill" they put out......would you give meth to a meth addict? Scotch to an alcoholic? If not why would I give more money to fiscally irresponsible people?
Then remember at his first STOU, Hillary was seated between Apple's John Scully and Alan Greenspan.
Clinton was saying that he was not racing to run the train off the cliff. He was showing that he was committed stability. This means lower interest rates and it means everyone thinking longer term. This means companies can be seen as worth more.
This started a boom.
Now true, such booms always turn into Ponzi Schemes and then into Busts. But what Clinton did was right, and it was effective. He had good Liberal Economists advising him. And good people like Robert Reich.
SJG
Manly P. Hall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klFU7REO…
Our government prints money to overcome their lack of fiscal responsibility, the real problem here is we let them, that’s neither left or right that’s just simple facts.
Oddly ( or not so oddly) are resident liberals cried I was nuts........Gingrich did pull Clinton back to the center.
And DC I'll repeat if you do the math you'll realize you can't get there from here. It simply won't happen.
The ant worked hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The grasshopper thought the ant was a fool and laughed and danced and played the summer away.
Come winter, the shivering grasshopper called a press conference and demanded to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others were cold and starving.
CBS, NBC , PBS, CNN, and ABC showed up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.
America was stunned by the sharp contrast.
How could this be in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper was allowed to suffer so?
Kermit the Frog appeared on Oprah with the grasshopper and everybody cried when they sang, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.'
Acorn staged a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations filmed the group singing, ‘We shall overcome’.
Jeremiah Wright then had the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid exclaimed in an interview with Larry King the ant had got rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both called for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.
Finally, the EEOC drafted the Economic Equity and Anti - Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer.
The ant was fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home was confiscated by the government Green Czar.
The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ants food while the government house he was in, which just happened to be the ant's old house, crumbled around him because he did not maintain it.
The ant had disappeared in the snow.
The grasshopper was found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, was taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorized the once peaceful neighborhood.
Moral of the story: Be careful how you vote in 2010. ( Since you were not in 2018---be smarter in 2020)
Even Nixon would not have done that. He said, "I am a Keynesian."
Gov't expenditure recirculates. If we had a 70% top tax bracket and Universal Basic Income, then far more people would have long term good quality paid employment than with things as they are.
We would be housing, feeding, clothing, providing medical care, and providing education and some access to transportation, to all of our people. And workers would have union representation and we would be using the best environmental science available.
That would mean far more people having paid employment, to meet this new need.
Sorry though, less money for inflating the stock and real estate markets, and less going into tax havens like Dan Quayle's favorite, the Isle of Man.
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Toyota Supra, 2020
They don't say much about the car yet, but it seems to have a BMW engine and chassis. Even looks like the BMW 2 series, though much better looking, and it has the high power I6 like the M2.
But the BMW is a 2+2 sedan, where as the Supra should be a hatch back, and these are much more versatile.
https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles…
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB5wZtV1…
But there was still much that he never understood.
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