With all the political talk, do you move a little left when interacting with wom

I explain capitalism to them.... I pick out the ugliest dancer in the joint and ask if she wants to split tips with that girl..... they laugh everytime then go on to say that they make far more because the are prettier, take care of their body, invest in outfits and make up, and the hustle at the club. Why should they share their hard earned money with that lazy fat cow?.... I then welcome them to the Republican party

Trump has nothing to do with it. It has never been a good idea to talk about politics when you are trying to get a date or on a first date with someone. But what is your goal ? Are you trying to find a future life partner or are you just trying to get laid ? If you are looking for that future wife, then talking about it early elements time spent with people that you don't agree with. If you are just trying to get laid, the STFU !

Who is trying to date a stripper.... I'm just trying to decide if she is willing to redo her make up, cause a blowjob that does not require her to redo her makeup is not really a blowjob

Lol that’s usually what I do Warrior.

f the dancer brings up politics I will tell them that like them I hate Donald Trump. I also tell them that unlike them I know tyhat preogressives are so fucking hypocritical and awful that they make Trumnp seem benign. Watching some piece of shit wearing religios garb in Congress is a disgrace. Father Drinan did not wear a collar when he was in Congress.

I am a liberal person, but I am definitely not a Political Liberal. My personal opinion is that both Liberals and Conservatives have abandoned the principles of liberalism and conservatism. Neither party speaks for me.

"That #DUMBASS DIPSHIT randumbmembr has 2 move far 2 the right 2 get close 2 a liberal striper! #FACT"
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That was actually funny @Dougster. Good job.

Most of these millennials I've run into don't have time to keep up with politics and current-events. Current SB (since Aug) is 21 and and pre-pharmacy major. She's definitely a Trump supporter and we just don't talk about politics. ATF was this skinny Italian girl from SF, out in my area as a peace-and-justice major. I would send her articles and she would read every word. She's out in S. California now in law school, paid by her employer.

To answer the question, I wouldn't be able to tolerate really dumb right-wing and/or hard-core Randoids. BTW, I'm not in favor of free college.

if you like you don't deserve titties

I have a different story, I for one really don't like Trump.
But he got me laid!

I met this beautiful 23 year old snowbunny last year while clubbing down in Va Beach. OMG, 5'5" 120 with a bubble ass that brought tears to my eyes.

I saw her standing at the bar alone trying to order a drink. I got the bartenders attention and she ordered. She thanked me and we began talk. Our conversation started off slow and I honestly thought she was losing interest. Then it got political, she was a die hard Trump supporter and being retired military (which came up in our conversation) She wanted to know how I felt about Trump.

I wasn't argumentative with her while we went back and forth about Trump. She actually had some valid political points which made it easier for me to seem convincingly supportive, plus I was horny as fuck, the idea of a one night stand was extremely intoxicating. I told her that I didn't vote for him but after hearing her points of view I would jump ship in 2020. Who says women don't have egos!

We went back to my hotel room and she fucked me like I was an old boyfriend she wanted to rekindle with after finding out he had won the lottery.

We did some really freaky shit that night. You know when a woman looks back at you and says your fucking name that you are hitting that spot. Hell we just met and she is calling my name. My dick game got stronger.

Muddy9 all I can say to you my man is that in the end we do not know these politicians personally so try not to take it personal when you meet a young woman who may not be on the same page as you politically. Who knows you may meet a freak from the opposite side of the aisle.

I damn sure did!

^ @DC
"I am very liberal because of a strong desire for fairness in the world."

Please describe your definition of "fairness"

I'm conservative because of a strong desire for fairness in the world.

Is it fair for someone to risk their savings to start up a company, work really hard and smart to succeed financially, and then have a large portion of their earnings taken away to provide for some loser that just smokes the Loser Leaf all day while playing video games?

^ So now you’re the judge of who’s doing something good with their money SMH

^ I guess I have a hard time understanding what is "fair" about it.

I think it is unfair to not allow someone to enjoy the fruits of their labor.

We have the most generous population in the world in regards to charitable giving. I'd much rather give what I can/want to who I want than to have it taken from me and squandered.

What is the cap then?

All that would accomplish is reducing the incentive to grow and lead to less employment.

>Truth is though, ultra rich CEOs probably don't really work as hard as your average minimum wage worker does.<

You know that how ?

DC, stop while you are behind. You are making yourself come across as dumber and dumber with every statement.

I wonder why you got women hate Trump.

ROFLMFAO

Just out of curiosity what's the problem with free college? And while we're at it explain what "handouts" you are in favor of and why please.

^ so the issue is thy aren’t making enough money, what does that have to do with how hard they work?
DC when you came here a few months ago, you sounded more intelligent than you do now, I guess that stupidity is contagious, you seem to be easily impressed by the wrong things, your values are really way off.

DC

I am not going to talk at the broad level. Just in a personal experience level. I am personally somebody who hangs around people from a lower social class.

I don’t like saying this out loud, because it involves people I care about. (Especially the ones who took me in during high school when I was basically abandoned by my biological family.)

But what I can say is that it’s not so simple as “poor people are being brought down by the Man” There is a stereotype on this board of the stripper with the mooch boyfriend. I’ll just say that it’s *not* just strippers. So while you can bring up the 60 hr/wk workers, what’s not mentioned are those who are living off them. (Who are not necessarily their children)

I think the hard workers are an especially sad case. Because there are so many ways to work smarter and not harder out there. But I think the environment they are in and the mindset is what steers them away from greener pastures.

I will say that being poor causes vicious cycles. Getting into the mentality “spend the money before it vanishes”. Get into monthly payment obligations one shouldn’t get into. And then boom get a repossession. Get those late notices. Be depressed and succumb to advertisement of cheap thrills that aren’t so cheap after all.

But if people made short term lifestyle sacrifices to get into a better place, it’s statistically very possible to crawl out of. But it doesn’t happen like that.

I mean heck, I also have a couple of friends who have had the nitwit idea of wanting to get knocked up on purpose despite having a shaky relationship and shaky emotional situations. And the goal of children was to emotionally validate themselves...which that part pisses me off. A parent is supposed to be the emotional rock for a child, not vice versa.

It’s this kind of mindset that also causes the most bitterness. For example DC, if you want to come to Texas, I’m half tempted to have you hang around a lot of people I know personally for an extended period of time. So you can meet some of the friends where there is a lot of resentment against upper middle class whites. And you can see a lot of the self-imposed problems in their lives that have nothing to do with upper middle class whites (and yet still blame them as the enemy causing it)

If you had to personally witness how *individuals* become their own worst enemy with making decisions to keep themselves at that social tier, you may have a different idea than just simply “give them money.”

Bonus points, feel free to come visit with a couple of grand, and give a few hundred to a few different individuals. So you can see how quickly that money goes to middle chain restaurants, brand name retail clothes, or electronics.

(And yet you as upper middle class whitey will still be a problem)

I still recall the use of the phrase fair share being over simplified as a means to raise taxes on anyone deemed rich....of course this was the same genius bunch that would throw out the phrase "millionaires and billionaires flying around in their corporate jets"......just to start if you don't know or can't conceive of the difference between a millionaire and billionaire I submit you need to stop taking self proctology lessons. Your head is already far enough up your backside anyone with an ounce of common sense knows you are ignorant on the topic you are speaking.

DC--I'll give you something to consider most people who come from a lower middle to middle class background start off making minimum wage--I did as well when it was 1.40 per hour. The difference is you are expected to advance your career past that point by acquiring a skill set that makes you worth more than minimum wage.

As a secondary point of observation most people considered rich do not own five Lamborghinis. Unless I've slipped recently I'm in the 3% net worth in the USA which means 97% of the population has less net worth than me. I drive something a lot less expensive than a Lamb......and I don't make 30 million a year either.

And plus one in a big way to Nicespice because she nailed the post I was going to post up and thought it hit a bit too close to home with some people I know.

The few times strippers have tried to go there (talking about politics) I kindly remind them that I am there to unplug from all that, and just enjoy some dancing, company, and beer. Only one has tried to push it, so I got up to grab another beer from the bar where I was intercepted by another stripper.

As far as civvie dating life goes, I don't have that problem. My wife hates socialism more than anyone, having experienced it first hand. Although I have dated many women who were complete liberals, I dodged any committal conversation until after I got laid. My advice would be to so the same: just defer the coversation until after you get your dick wet. Get her going doggystyle. Just before you nut, tell her "finish the wall and call me daddy."

@DC, what gives *you* the right to determine how someone else spends their money? What gives *you* the right to decide what is “so much they don’t need it”? What gives *you* the right to manage money you had no part at all in making?

C'mon, give @DC a break. He has good intentions.

DC since you took it to a historical level let's be honest: when exactly was a sense of right and wrong ever established in this country?

The point is God did not send that money to my bank account.... I fucking worked my ass off and earned it. The last thing I need is some snot nosed 21 year old that can barely wipe his own ass telling me I have too much, FUCK YOU.... It is not your place to decide what is too much for Me to have.

I believe that every one of those liberal actors and supporters should donate all of their money and leave my money alone. If Oprah believes so strongly in all this bullshit then empty out your accounts and live like a normal person, until then shut the fuck up oprah. I don't mind being very generous with my money, but generosity is when it is freely given NOT when it is demanded by a bunch of lazy assholes

That is a very good point @Daddillac. You have worked hard and deserve to be well compensated for it.

I don’t like trump. I don’t like the others either. egomaniacs.

^+100

I just grab them by the pussy!

What the hell is going on here, where is Flagooner and what did you do to him. No one is buying this nice guy act.

Some strip club dancers, a fairly large number, really like me. That I am sober and that I am an informed and thoughtful leftist is I believe part of the reason.

So no, I don't move any further to the left. That would be quite difficult.

SJG

SJG you are so far left you are swimming in the pacific

^ I thought it was the South China Sea

No, I don't change my politics for anyone. That said, I avoid talking politics in the strip club. In truth, most dancers don't seem compelled to discuss the dynamics of the South China Sea or immigration policy.

So, win win.

What the hell is going on here, where is Flagooner and what did you do to him. No one is buying this nice guy
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When he starts complimenting me, you know it's horseshit ( or oxycontin)

I started working when federal minimum wage was 90 cents an hour. When it was $2.50 an hour I was making $5.00 an hour. I then took a job making $2.50 an hour to get a job in the field of which I had studied. It paid off in the end as I moved up the corporate ladder. Praise God from whom all blessings flow!

I've worked hard, I continue to work hard, to be able to understand and advocate for the Left.

I think it is also because San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle all have strong trade union history, coming from the waterfront, and from the Depression. Los Angeles, being more of a Mafia town, I think is not like this. Hawaii has its Peaceful Democratic Revolution, no longer willing to be run by Republicans as a sugar plantation, and instead demanding statehood.

So though not all, there are a lot of dancers which I quickly get along with very well.

For the most part today, the Right runs on the premise that poor people are poor because they suffer from character disorder. If this continues unchecked, it will destroy our nation. Democracy could never function under that.

SJG

Alvin Lee – The Bluest Blues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB6OlJqV…

I move the shit truck down the road

So you guys admit that women aren't into your right wing extremist views and are in fact put off by them. But at the same time, you come on here espousing to know something about women's issues such as abortion and the employment status of dancers... yet you state that women hate your views. So yeah...

One other point about the poor. As individuals, each person is deserving of being treated with respect and dignity.

The poor (collectively) are just simply people who behave in a way that’s predictable in their circumstances, because of how humans are proven to respond to scarcity.

https://www.kitces.com/blog/scarcity-how…
(Btw scarcity traps can affect people in other ways than just money)

So I do acknowledge that it is sad as far as life circumstances go. But acknowledging the reality of the scarcity trap means acknowledging that simple wealth resistribution, because of how human nature works, is limited in its effectiveness.

Meanwhile, all that greater centralized ability to collect money from others enables governments a certain amount of abuse themselves, with respect to both tax revenue and also power.

It takes a lot for an individual to break free from the norms of where he/she is from to get a leg up in the world. And it will always be a tiny minority. In my opinion, it’s best to have policies that are simply less burdensome on those who wish to be that tiny minority.

With the consolation that it’s not all gloom and doom. The vast majority of Americans today, even poor ones, technically speaking have more “wealth” with respect to what money can buy them than a Rockefeller did 100 years ago.
https://fee.org/articles/you-are-richer-…

Nicespice said..."But if people made short term lifestyle sacrifices to get into a better place, it’s statistically very possible to crawl out of. But it doesn’t happen like that."

I agree...


I have came a long ways. I am not out of te woods yet but I grew up in a bad neighborhood and i have worked my way to a lot better situation

Secrets of the Millionaire Mind: Mastering the Inner Game of Wealth https://g.co/kgs/d4tgV4

^^ this book helped me realize being broke or rich is a mindset and not what happens to you or what someone does to you. It changed my life for the positive.

Great comments Nicespice. The opportunity to financially lift yourself up in this country is far far greater than the vast majority in the world. Is it hard work? Hell yes but in many places it's impossible. That is why people actually want to come to the usa. The world has no shortage of repressive governments and caste based systems of economics.

Upwards mobility in the US is largely a myth.

This myth is one of the things which makes political organizing extremely hard.

SJG

You are certified idiot SJG if you believe that. You clearly do not mingle with successful people who have done it but misguided losers who blame everyone else for their problems. Speaking of blaming everyone else hows your ex?

Upward mobility isn't easy but it is more attainable here than most countries---if you don't believe that ask yourself why people continue to come here --all forms of immigration.

Why they come here to go to college?

I do believe it is harder now than it was twenty-five years ago. At least legally and legitimately.

Upright, look at the upwards mobility cases, there are reasons for it, not just personal virtue. Often good government funded jobs are a big part of it.

Lots and lots of people who are just surviving, quite literally.

People try to come here because a myth has been sold, and also because in there country there are other types of problems.

SJG

Simple question...list the countries you have actually visited. If it's just Mexico and Canada or less please just post a rationalization for your narrow view.

The lack of US upwards mobility has been widely reported on, as has the fact that statistically upwards mobility is greater in of all places England.

This is what I go by, competent statistical research, not antecdotes.

But I do notice that immigrants come here believing in upwards mobility, but this is mostly because there are serious political problem where they are coming from.

They call it the American Dream for a reason.

David Stuart, Guyamas Chronicles, talks about how people in Mexico believe that rich people lead better lives, and this is a big factor in creating misery.

Immigrants come here and they believe that becoming wealthy will make life better. But by any objective measures this is not true. But it is understandable that poor people would think this.

Again, this is what makes political organizing hard.

SJG

Remember also that in Mexico lots of people live in houses without running water or electricity. It is not like that here, but not because of upwards social mobility. It is like that here because he have government regulations in the form of building codes, and we enforce them too.

A large portion of the US population, like over 40% is only to pay checks away from defaulting on rent of mortgage. Lots of people to get the house in the place they want, or just to get any house, have to accept dual income sized mortgage payments. This doubles the chances of troubles in employment our health causing them to go into default.

https://www.amazon.com/Two-Income-Trap-M…

Lots of immigrants from Mexico like working here, they can save money and sometimes send home remittances. But they are living in situations which most Americans would not like at all, and are in no way indicative of "upwards mobility". And mostly these immigrants are just temporary workers, happy to go home to the slower paced and lower cost way of life they are used to.

SJG

only two pay checks away from defaulting on rent or mortgage

Actually depending on how far back you go it is better in Denmark, Finland, and Norway than England. But one needs to be careful because some of the studies include education advancement not just economic factors.

Additionally and here is the real rub and something I touch on often.--you can't look at something with far reaching considerations as if it exist in a vacuum.

Our numbers have declined in this country in the past decade? Can you think of an issue that might impact the father to son ration of upward mobility that has not been addressed in the past decade or longer but more so in the last decade? (Actually multiple issues come to mind)

Thank you for providing my point by your extensive rationalization. You probably can't event get a passport cause nobody wants your sorry ass in their country either.

I plan to be bi-country, bi-lingual, both the US and Mexico.

:) :) :)

SJG

Nice plan...(rolling eyes!?!?)

Another language, another culture, it is like having a new life.

SJG

The difference between being poor and being broke is that broke can be fixed..... poor is just poor

SJG said "I plan to be bi-country, bi-lingual, both the US and Mexico."

Have you ever been to Mexico?

^ Something you really don’t understand most folks that have a year where their income exceeds 20Meg are business owners who are retiring, and that sale usually is how they fund their retirement, taxing a person so onorously, whose life’s work has gone into building and growing a business is inherently unfair, very few people even those 1% era you speak of earn that kind of an income year after year.

^ OMG. You really are retarded aren't you?

You need an editor. Or a hobby that isn't posting here.

Probably both.

@DC
I bet you reconsider your position once you get out of academia and into the real world and start earning a living.

Editor / hobby post above directed at DC9428.

I believe that we should look at what you are comparing it to..... If you are comparing American poor to American Wealthy it is an unfair comparison, the wealthy have educated themselves, risked their assets, worked long hours for years to achieve their American Dream. Instead compare American poor to Mexican poor, our poor people are the best taken care of in the world.... So fuck you, keep your hands out of my pocket

@DC how about we redistribute some of your dads wealth he won’t be able to subsidize your pontificating about stuff you know very little about.

Dude, you are dense.
Nobody is saying there shouldn't be taxes.
But it is the extent of those taxes that is at question.

You are advocating that anything earned above x amount should be taxed at 100% and any savings that have been accumulated over y amount should be forfeited.

That is fucking insane. You must be trolling or retarded. Which is it?

He is taxed.

I am saying there should be no income taxes

I prefer the fair tax, so that we are taxed on what we spend.

The current system is regressive, the more productive I am the more I have to pay in taxes.... It encourages lower productivity

I would rather see everyone pay based on what they spend. You see that drug dealer driving a Bentley that he paid for with untaxed money, tax the consumption instead of the income and this will not be a problem

I've long been a proponent on a consumption tax. The only problem I see is that a huge black market would develop to avoid the sales taxes.

Wouldn’t a black market be a bit racist;)

I'm sure a black market would develop, however I do not believe it could get near as large as the untaxed income we have now. between the drug dealers, strippers, waitresses, all cash businesses, etc.... then on top of that all of the rich SOB's who have 5 lambo's like DC says, they don't pay their fair share in income tax, let them pay it in consumption tax.

Dayum I don’t have any lambos;)

Me either... thats because we are broke old men lol

I’m not broke yet ;)

So lets say I'm busting my ass making 10 million a year.... I can open a couple more restaurants employ 30 people per location or a total of 60 people/families on my payroll..... to do that I would have to put capital at risk. Now for the sake of arguing lets say I make 1 million dollars profit..... DC wants to take from that 700 thousand dollars in tax. So I'm going to take all the risk, employees will have a job, insurance, etc.... the government is going to make 700 thousand and I am going to make 300 thousand. No thanks, I will not expand my business, I will live on what I have now, the 60 families can look elsewhere for work, the government can look elsewhere for tax revenue.... See how this works

Problem with these millennials they don’t understand how guys that make money think, they think ima bust my ass to live like them, I like my lifestyle but I’m not gonna try so hard unless there’s a jackpot at the end for me

Another issue with elinating the income tax is that it makes it more difficult for the legislators to create loopholes and for states to bribe companies. Plus, look at all the CPA and IRS jobs that would disappear.

It would be the "fairest" though.

I have typical old white guy politics, but my penis is surprisingly progressive, and we've both agreed that it should run the show when dealing with attractive young women. #bernie2020

LOL

DC, Business revenue generally is not taxed. Usually it is reabsorbed.

Though not being a tax person, I suspect that except when paying shareholder dividends, corporations can usually avoid all taxes except for real property tax, and in some places a business asset tax.

It it is only really large companies with widely held shares and very little growth in share value, who are likely to pay dividends anyway. They pay dividends because there is nothing else they can offer to share holders.

Start up companies do not pay dividends.

So it is already like you say, the $100 Meg in gross receipts is not taxed. It is only the salaries, and any money a proprietor takes out for themselves, which get taxed as personal income.

And I do agree with you about your tax plan, basically just going pre-Reagan, though with the bracket trip points updated to today.

Remember, about all that upper income money does is inflate the stock and real estate markets. It is really just the costs of keeping up with the Joneses. And those people put their money there, really just because they don't seem to see that there could be better places to put it.

Also, pre-Reagan, the upper tax brackets were not inflation indexed. So you had bracket creep, and then a lot of Dual Income Yuppies were getting pushed into high brackets. This issue alone got Reagan and his party lots of votes. Okay, but see, inflation had been lower.

So Reagan did not index the brackets, he just eliminated them. This in turn, freed up money to go after real estate and start concentrating ownership, and thus has continually created even more inflationary pressure.

The gov't gets the money it needs, but it gets it by interest bearing T-Bills, instead of by taxation. And it is also having to continually try to fight off the very inflation which gutting progressive income tax has created. This means that it cannot loosen up the money supply, money which would help in building up a more innovative and long term productive economy.

If only the MAGA people were capable of reading and understanding:
America: What Went Wrong?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/083627…

SJG

Jon Hassel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQcOR91C…

I also think the OP of this thread is completely ridiculous, shifting to the Left in one's talk to tray and appease women, the vast majority of those women strippers being far smarter than the male customers.

SJG

There is no shortage of CEO's or would be Entrepreneurs. In fact we have so many that they soak up all the money which could be used to pay the people who actually do the work.

Supply Sideism is "Voodoo Economics".

Or it is what Al Franken called it, "Faith Based Economics".

SJG

To @Daddillac's argument that rich people are rich because of their hard work and benefit to society:

Why don't you pay attention to financial crash of 2008? The government had to bail out institutions like Bear and AIG. AIG alone needed $180 BILLION dollars that was never returned to taxpayers. After that we had TARP which involved another $750B of taxpayer money to rescue another 9 investment banks. While this was going down, many employed by the banks walked away with millions, or even hundreds of millions of dollars. Smaller businesses are homeowners were not those who were rescued.

You could easily argue that the banks had a negative impact on society, yet they were rewarded with huge cash payouts and rescued by the average taxpayer.

I've worked in politics for my entire SC career (about 8 years) and I've never had a political discussion with a dancer. Closest I ever got was one dancer giving me the nickname of 'Washington' when I told her what I did. Most of the discussions I have with dancers involve music.

The Government chose to bail out companies... I would have let them fail

^^ Well, then you don't know what you're talking about. It would have brought financial ruin to everyone.

Many argue that the failing banks should have been nationalized, and then bailed out.

This sounds right to me.

SJG

In their PDF's they have a lot of Martinist stuff.
https://thavmapub.com/

The big problem is the shill dream that Americans think they're one step away from the 1% when they're really just a step away from being homeless and shitting on public side walks and digging through trash for their next meal....

^^^^^^^^ What, you mean I should not be voting for lower Capital Gains and lower taxes on High Incomes, because soon I am going to be one of the Super Rich. You mean that just by declining one Latte per week, I cannot invest myself across the Wealth Gap?

SJG

^ @DC "You guys keep saying that the CEO's work should pay off. I agree so why can't the workers' work pay off too?"

They get paid a fair wage. If they think they deserve more they can negotiate a better wage or find a job that pays more. If they don't want the job, somebody else would be grateful for the opportunity.

Its a form of brainwashing, no matter how badly off we are, we're told to think of ourselves as middle class. In reality, most Americans who think they're middle class would have poor lifestyles compared to middle class people in Europe or even Latin American countries.

But this keeps people from realizing that they're poor and that being rich is unattainable.

CEO's don't do much other than hire people to micro manage everything for them.

Very true, being Middle-Class is a mind set, really a reactionary identification system.

And one good thing though, as I see it, Mexico and Mexicans have not really adopted middle-class thinking.

This is why some of the girls in our underground and clandestine FS Front Room circuit are so good with guys. They don't try to separate winners from losers.

As Sartre and de Beauvoir would always say, "The Middle-Class lives in Bad Faith."

SJG

Alvin Lee – The Bluest Blues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB6OlJqV…

Correction, what Sartre and de Beauvoir would always say is, "The Bourgeoisie lives in Bad Faith."

And other girls hate those I speak of, "The Beloved Latina Escorts". Its not that they don't do the same things. Its because this core group of Latinas were so good at it. They really made a guy feel like a king.

SJG

Alvin Lee – The Bluest Blues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB6OlJqV…

Everything has an impact on cost. Not every company makes 100 million dollars, so the coat has to be passed alone to consumers somewhere.

Take McDonalds, the can afford to pay their workers 15 an hour. They might and often do support these wage increases. You know who can't support 15 an hour? Dave's burgers that is next door to McDonalds. So Dave has to raise his prices, now you want a burger, where do you go, to get a $15 Dave burger ornament $4 McDonalds burger? Now Dave doesn't make enough to pay for his 10 workers $15 an hour, so what does he do? He can close his company, or lay off some workers. That's at the top level. Dave gets supplies from Rick's trucking company who now increased their drivers wages, which they pass along to the customer. Rick's trucking co. Is full of Steve's bread, Steve had to raise prices on his bread because of a minimum wage increase that he's passing along to his customers. Mike's cheese has an increased cost too, along this Tim's pickels, Mark's catsup, and Frank's mustard. All maybe an increase of a few pennies to a few dollars, but now back to Dave. Dave has higher costs everywhere in the chain, he's already laid off a few workers, and reduced supply because he can't afford the inventory when he's hemorrhaging business to Walmart next door.

Damn submit button....hemorrhaging business to mcdonalds next door. He's paying his fair share in taxes, but now he's doing the math, he could take a normal job and make the same amount of money at the end of the year his is now. So screw it, Dave fires his last 5 workers and takes a job somewhere else. Thankfully Dave had the education to do so which gave him a slight leg up over the other guys interviewing, it shows the compan, he had three fortitude to make it through collage. If they all sad the same free education, he never would have landed that job.

Now Dave need to buy things to support his family, but what's this, this price of all good has gone up, and his new job really can't afford to buy the products he needs to buy. His wife and daughter start stripping and working OTC to help make ends meet.

Dave's wife returns home, but she's always too tired for sex, so now Dave decided to get some OTC, but he can't afford the increased rates, so now he contemplates killing himself.

But hey...at least 18 year olds and other people with zero skills are making $15 an hour.

Even having a minimum wage law, we know that that means less jobs.

But so what. You can't justify problematic business practices just because they create jobs.

Making sure those at the bottom are doing okay has to be a responsibility of our entire society, and administered by those we have elected and have come to call our government.

With advanced industrialization, and without large scale wars, we have to assume that the market for labor will become smaller and smaller, and I mean all kinds of paid employment.

These are the benefits of industrialization, and also the benefits of ending the Cold War.

SJG

Plus everyone else doing OTC will have to lower their prices to compete with his gorgeous wife and daughter

Market forces never have created jobs for everyone, nor will they ever. 70% taxation and spending worked for a long time. It would help again. But there are other issues in play too. Environmental concerns, advancing industrial technology, and the crippling effects of the middle-class family.

We need to move to Universal Basic Income.

SJG

Well there would be much higher taxes. But some economists want to keep these kinds of programs separate, as they are just "transfer payments". It would also require setting up publicly run and cost controlled sources of basic needs. Not intending to fatten slum lords.

But this also is not a welfare program, as what distinquishes it is that it is not needs tested. Everyone gets it.

And so for the first time, the poor will not be pilloried and disgraced.

The costs of not having this today probably already out weigh the costs of having it.

SJG

I do not have an income of over 10 million a year so I'm safe from DC and his 70 percent tax.... I'm a good bit past the 400k he mentioned though so that has me worried. Basically though I have saved enough that I could quit working and retire if I wanted to. If SJG gets his way I will sell my business and move to costa rica, I've been looking at houses there anyway. I have 25 employees that will be looking for work.

It’s obvious to me that the majority of y’all have never started, run, or managed a business, successfully or not. It’s funny how little many of you know, yet have such strong opinions and thoughts on this subject. SJG and Isee are absolutely delusional DC thinks success comes easily, one thing I can promise you, the truth is quite different from what you think.
Having been in business myself, for the majority of my adult, life and having grown up in a family where my dad was a successful entrepreneur, I’ll give you a single piece of advice, running a business is hard, most businesses fail within 5 years, the payoff is terrific for some, (actually very few) but the vast majority of you would be better of acquiring a skill and putting your effort into being the best at your job you can, that is more likely to payoff than running your own business for most of you.
Starting and running a business takes more hard work and dedication than the vast majority are capable of.

+1,000,000 at twentyfive

The private sector is out for itself. Business owners care about profit and creating capital. They do this at our detriment and not to aid us in any way. If they see as a potential tool to help them get richer, they'll hire us and pay us a fraction of the wealth that our skills and labor create for them. Its a ruthless system. All of the social ills we have exist because of it by design.

And without the private sector nothing gets done.... there are no cars, no planes, no food, no clothes, no strip clubs, no strippers, no nothing.... so you can sit around on your collective asses and complain about the man holding you down or you can get up and do something about it. But whining like a little bitch is not doing something

^ maybe they all think they are qualified for corporate or government jobs, that would be the end of upward mobility the end of the American experience, we’d all be living in a workers paradise like North Korea.

"Why don't you pay attention to financial crash of 2008? The government had to bail out institutions like Bear and AIG"

Actually what happened was the following: On March 14, 2008, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York agreed to provide a $25 billion loan to Bear Stearns collateralized by free and clear assets from Bear Stearns in order to provide Bear Stearns the liquidity for up to 28 days that the market was refusing to provide. Shortly thereafter the Federal Reserve Bank of New York had a change of heart and told Bear Stearns that the 28-day loan was unavailable to them. The deal was then changed to where the NY FED would create a company to buy $30 billion worth of Bear Stearns assets. Two days later, on March 16, 2008, Bear Stearns signed a merger agreement with JPMorgan Chase in a stock swap worth $2 a share or less than 7 percent of Bear Stearns' market value just two days before.

Oddly I'm accused of getting things wrong when I insert a P into the Nobel Prize where as you get it wrong entirely.

I'm not going to repeat myself on the tax issue but again the amount of people in this country that actually make a half million dollars a year is so small that you could tax them 90% and it wouldn't change the deficit or fund any of the liberal pie in the sky programs they want to run.

I suggest the Brooklyn bartender buy some large corks and a hammer and plug up the cows butts herself she wants to stop them from farting.....

Jeez wtf did I start. I’m sorry I said anything. I’ll stfu next time.

^ Just move a bit to the left and you’ll be able to get laid ;)

@DC the debt is past 22 trillion with a T, how are you gonna get 1 trillion out of 540 billionaires explain if you will, because it’s the debt that is responsible for our fiscal policies

DC--I suggest you think it through again and do the math.

The real issue to me is the government track record for spending responsibly is horrendous. I used to ask this question when the previous administration was in office and wanted to raise taxes--especially after the "porkulus bill" they put out......would you give meth to a meth addict? Scotch to an alcoholic? If not why would I give more money to fiscally irresponsible people?

The 90's boom came about just because Clinton added the extra 2% of high income tax, very small compared to what Reagan cut out. And then because he made some very small military cuts.

Then remember at his first STOU, Hillary was seated between Apple's John Scully and Alan Greenspan.

Clinton was saying that he was not racing to run the train off the cliff. He was showing that he was committed stability. This means lower interest rates and it means everyone thinking longer term. This means companies can be seen as worth more.

This started a boom.

Now true, such booms always turn into Ponzi Schemes and then into Busts. But what Clinton did was right, and it was effective. He had good Liberal Economists advising him. And good people like Robert Reich.

SJG

Manly P. Hall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klFU7REO…

The lack of understanding that’s here about business here is appalling, no business can exist if its expenditures exceed its revenues, sure they can overcome a short term loss, but my experience tells me most of the people with the attitudes I see here can’t even manage credit debt or balance a checkbook.
Our government prints money to overcome their lack of fiscal responsibility, the real problem here is we let them, that’s neither left or right that’s just simple facts.

Clinton did not fuck up what Reagan put into motion.... with Gingrich there to stop him from doing anything stupid. Well except removing food and oil from the CPI calculation used for SS cost of living increases. Why the hell do old people care about real estate costs, food and oil are their biggest concerns.

DC you seem to be espousing punishing 540 people for doing really well, let’s say using your calculator we were able to raise 70% of 2.750 trillion, we still have a country to run, pay down the debt at about 3/4 trillion annually the interest keeps compounding, how do we pay for all of these wonderful programs, my family lives great my kids have no student debt, and I can provide health care for my dependants, and my head is starting to hurt because this whole thing is just inane and useless, when you figure it out let us know, until then stop arguing in circles it’s just an exercise in futility going back and forth with you.

Some time back we had discussed Speakers of the House and I raised the point that Gingrich was probably the last very good one we had in office.

Oddly ( or not so oddly) are resident liberals cried I was nuts........Gingrich did pull Clinton back to the center.

And DC I'll repeat if you do the math you'll realize you can't get there from here. It simply won't happen.

^ so now 99 people don’t need to work for a year and I’ll bet the millennials among them won’t.

Or you could look at it this way............dated 9 years ago---notice that the name Pelosi was with us back then.

The ant worked hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thought the ant was a fool and laughed and danced and played the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper called a press conference and demanded to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others were cold and starving.

CBS, NBC , PBS, CNN, and ABC showed up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.

America was stunned by the sharp contrast.

How could this be in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper was allowed to suffer so?

Kermit the Frog appeared on Oprah with the grasshopper and everybody cried when they sang, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.'

Acorn staged a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations filmed the group singing, ‘We shall overcome’.

Jeremiah Wright then had the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid exclaimed in an interview with Larry King the ant had got rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both called for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.

Finally, the EEOC drafted the Economic Equity and Anti - Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

The ant was fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home was confiscated by the government Green Czar.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ants food while the government house he was in, which just happened to be the ant's old house, crumbled around him because he did not maintain it.

The ant had disappeared in the snow.

The grasshopper was found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, was taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorized the once peaceful neighborhood.

Moral of the story: Be careful how you vote in 2010. ( Since you were not in 2018---be smarter in 2020)

^ He’s earned the right to do as he pleases even if he goes to strip clubs every afternoon as long as he doesn’t ask me for money I could care less, but those millennials are going to keep needing handouts year after year.

What Reagan did was wrong from the start.

Even Nixon would not have done that. He said, "I am a Keynesian."

Gov't expenditure recirculates. If we had a 70% top tax bracket and Universal Basic Income, then far more people would have long term good quality paid employment than with things as they are.

We would be housing, feeding, clothing, providing medical care, and providing education and some access to transportation, to all of our people. And workers would have union representation and we would be using the best environmental science available.

That would mean far more people having paid employment, to meet this new need.

Sorry though, less money for inflating the stock and real estate markets, and less going into tax havens like Dan Quayle's favorite, the Isle of Man.

SJG

Our Capitalist system has from the very start, depended upon publicly humiliating the poor. Otherwise it would not have any kind of a whip to crack to keep workers in line.

SJG

Toyota Supra, 2020

They don't say much about the car yet, but it seems to have a BMW engine and chassis. Even looks like the BMW 2 series, though much better looking, and it has the high power I6 like the M2.

But the BMW is a 2+2 sedan, where as the Supra should be a hatch back, and these are much more versatile.

https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles…

Many years ago, iPhones had just come out, some friends of mine came to me and asked if I would help financially a family in our community. They needed to pay rent, Bill's, and food.... I gave them a thousand dollars anonymously. That next weekend I run into them at a park. Their kids are playing and both of them are playing games on their iphones.... at the time I had a flip phone, I could afford the smart phone but I did not feel it was worth the cost.

Wow, the Welfare Queens are getting younger and younger!

SJG

Winston Churchill was so right. I'm willing to bet @DC will hold very different views in about 15 years, after he has actually experienced some things in life.

I'm older than DC. Churchill was in error.

SJG

I respect Churchill and I like him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB5wZtV1…

But there was still much that he never understood.

SJG