question of the day....

When a stripper is asked to come speak at “career day” at her kids elementary school then it will be seen as a “normal” job.

Dancers are becoming more accepted. They have a place in videos and hip hop More women and couples are visiting strip clubs. However they will never be accepted by narrow minded people.

I would say that while the stigma has gone away, it has only gone away in certain demographics and while it seems like a change in society, its only a change in certain areas of society. Its like marriage. Marriage rates are down by a good sized margin, but marriage rates are the same as they were 200 years ago in upper and upper middle income areas. They are down tremendously in lower income and poor income areas.

I agree that the stigma is probably a bit less than it used to be but the change is so slow that I don’t know how long before society would accept any kind of sex work as normal. I also think a lot of that will depend on whether women come to view other women in sex work positively overall or whether the prevailing wisdom goes the other way. It’s hard to tell.

I don't think it'll ever be seen as normal because there's too much opportunity to make a name and/or a profit off denigrating the SC (and really, sex work in general) world. There's always going to be a market for capitalizing off prudes and the like.

As long as religious nutjobs who hate strip clubs vote, there will be lawmakers who pander to them.

I agree that I think it has decreased, but won’t go away.

I think the increasing legislation against strip clubs and things like FOSTA are a backlash. And it’s (most likely) a losing battle.

The stigma will never disappear. Too many snooty women need to have someone to look down their noses upon.

I know plenty of liberals, particularly women liberals, who hate strip clubs just as much as the right wingers.

The issue you are raising is as old as patriarchy. There will need to be legal changes and a lot of attitudinal changes, before things change.

In the organization I am building, things will be very different.

SJG

Other women are jealous that their husbands (or men they'd love to husband) lust after you instead of them. That's the heart of the matter.

The moment becomes more about dancing vs being more about sex. Then yes. Is that something guys here want to be a part of? Then no.

Your best bet is to convince the world and start a movement that stripping is more about art than arousement. Good luck if so choose.

a stripper or sex worker will never get proper respect.

If the stigma goes away so will the money!

No...... but you wouldn't want it to.

Not in my lifetime. But as others have rightly said, the stigma and other trade offs are the reason that it pays so well. If any hot girl could do it without any judgment or ramifications, then the market would be flooded until stripping paid little more than any other normal work.

as long as religion is prevalent in society, then it might be generally accepted to not be the WORST thing to do, you still will get frowned upon by the upper "echelons" of society when it comes to how you make money.

The stigma will never go away and I'm not even in agreement it has lessened. It's lessened within certain segments and cultures and much of that has to do with the past few years of the Rap music industry and with what I would call second tier movies., but overall no.

Some things to consider---- ever hear a young girl when asked what she wants to do when she grows up say I want to be an exotic dancer/stripper?
The attraction for strip clubs to have porn stars as their 'famous guest" or host. It helps the club make money but does it help the overall image of the industry
The occasional act of violence/shootings that happen in the lower tier clubs.

In my view, and in my lifetime, there has been more acceptance of classy gentlemen’s clubs in this country.

I think the negative view of the low end strip clubs - and strippers - will remain. People tend to view those clubs as whorehouses. They aren’t wrong in certain cases.

So - my thought is - until prostitution is made legal throughout this country, the negative view will remain.

If prostitution becomes legal, then prostitutes become legitimate wage earners. That won’t eliminate the stigma, but that is the beginning of the process.

If sex work is this bizarre area where pornstars can fuck for pay, but whores can’t fuck for pay, and where certain strippers are considered borderline whores, things will remain fucked up.

This country has a strong religious right, and they don’t seem to be ready to relinquish control over their principles. Only when that control lessens, will there be improvement.

Very good points, @Warrenboy75 about what parts of stripper/strip club demographic have been de-stigmatized. I'm in the group seeing that overall, the stigma is society has not lessened. It was fashionable 25 years ago use write off scrip club expenses as a business expense for businessmen, as women shattered the glass ceiling. That is no longer an acceptable business expense for legit businesses. The stigma is also what keeps the money there, which attracts dancers, and keeps everything going.

Also regular people don't see the attraction of the tease without sex. They see it as poor value. The ironic thing is we don't correct the public's perception that tell them that many clubs are actually thinly-veiled brothels, where sex is available ITC or OTC!! That sort of wink, wink ;) bit of plausible deniability allows some clubs to remain open than otherwise would be by the public. Yet ironically, if the public was more aware of what went on, more people might actually want to go! But earnings would be less without the stigma. I think most of the guys with money and the predilection for this sort of dicey activities, already are in the know.

Sort of the old adage of: "The point at them with one hand, and jerk off with the other".

I think i started a similar discussion months ago. But it related more to the economics of stripping than the stereotypes. That is stripping will quite possibly no longer offer that much more income than a "normal" job, so the incentive will be less to do it, unless the negative aspects from the dancer's side are ameliorated.

https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php5?id…

I think it’s becoming more common and accepted in a bad way because with so many girls turning to stripping and the way it’s portrayed in the media.. we are still looked down on and now we have to work even harder to make money. Nowadays every other girl wants to be a stripper because they’re in debt and it looks cool in the music videos and ig. With so many girls the competition is tougher and lots of girls have tuned to extras. With club music blaring stuff like “fuck him then I get some money” it’s generally assumed by most people that strippers are ratchet IG hoes who fuck for cash. So it’s not as shocking anymore to say “I’m a stripper”, but people will still judge you. If anything that stigma is worse imo. I can only see it getting worse.. or if it does become completely normalized the money won’t be worth it anymore

Dividing women into two categories, and being able to keep them in pitched battles against each other, is the key to patriarchy's power.

SJG