How has FOSTA affected the Sugar Baby sites ?
Warrior15
Anywhere there are Titties.
A few months ago, there seemed to be a discussion every day about Seeking Arrangements. Everybody had an SA girl. Many things about the concept appealed to me, but I just did not sign up. The idea is still something that interests me. Now, there doesn't seem to be any mention of sugar babies in the discussions these days at all. Has FOSTA killed the site ? Are there still girls wanting to be sugar babies ? I'm thinking that P4P isn't happening any more there.
Is Seeking Arrangements worth checking out anymore ?
Is Seeking Arrangements worth checking out anymore ?
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https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/4/13/17…
FOSTA-SESTA, a law intended to curb "trafficking" online, and modifies FCC Section 230. It was a big deal and big new this year for escorts who advertise online.
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The Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act (SESTA) and Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act (FOSTA) are the U.S. Senate and House bills that as the FOSTA-SESTA package became law on April 11, 2018. They clarify the country's sex trafficking law to make it illegal to knowingly assist, facilitate, or support sex trafficking, and amend the Section 230 safe harbors of the Communications Decency Act
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That said, I'm still looking for the illusive long-term arrangement. I think I may have found something, but we'll see..
Had a dinner date recently with 22-yr-old SA girl who's tagline was "educated arm-candy." Turns out she was an ex- Tilted Kilt and ex- stripper in the area. No mention of that in her profile. Half French and half Romanian, busty, and slightly overweight in my opinion. Politically aware and my type in other ways. There are definitely some strippers on SA. I asked her what percentage of strippers have tried SA, and she replied "just about all of them."
..and another 20-yr-old smoking hot blonde girl that flamed out after a couple of dates at my house. She's interested in racing and had this turbo-charged 600 HP BMW. Her sister has a Ducati. Father's an MD, mother's a nurse.
"worth checking out" is in the eye of the beholder. Still just as possible as before to find someone on "Seeking". Yes, it's Seeking now, casting itself as a legit dating site. Changes include: no more mention of monetary expectations (e.g., minimal,moderate, substantial), easier to get banned from the site for mentioning $, and in my area, I sense there's more escorts than ever (which isn't a problem if that's what you're looking for)
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We've been over this a hundred times, you fucking clueless wonder. It can be the difference between a college girl, who's experimenting for the first time, and an escort who fucks four men per day by the hour. Still, sugaring qualifies as a benign form of prostitution.
BTW it's whose not who's in my first post.
It also seems the sugar baby expects to be better compensated for the GFE play acting. Maybe she tries to convince herself that it is different than prostitution but knows it isn't.
My response to @tinypecker:
Sphincter
Where can I meet this girl with the BMW? I wanna meet her so I can beat her silly BMW in my Corvette. Show her that her German tin can is no match for American muscle
Won't run for pink slips, but I'm sure my Corvette could take it! C7 Z06 for the win!
@twentyfive
I've always been for pure performance; luxury means more gadgets and gizmos in the car. More of that means more weight! And besides the Mercedes can't handle half as well as a Corvette Z06 can. 1.00+ G's!!
BTW Corvettes are awesome starter cars ;)
ROTFLMAO
Sugar relationships are all over the map, but for the vast majority of the women, one of the big differences is: an escort puts out an ad and fucks everyone who has the $ (and has references); the subsequent "relationship" is about an exchange of $ for sex for XYZ minutes. Most sugarbabies hand pick one (or sometimes a small number) of SDs; the subsequent "relationship" features an exchange of sex and money, but many SBs are also looking for fun experiences and many for at least a little emotional intimacy.
Pertinent to another topic in the thread: it may be the case that the super young, new sugarbabies don't think of themselves as sex workers; the experienced SBs absolutely know they are.
'course, as many guys on tuscl have shown, you can also use it like backpage, finding girls who'll meet, fuck, and move on. Plenty of fodder for someone who wants something more escort-like.
>I was wondering how this got turned into a discussion about cars.<
We're pretty good huh ? ;)
The Z06 Corvette mopped the competition! I raced an Audi RS7 on the street a while back in my Z06. The Audi got left behind so bad it looked like it was standing still
One of the big differences I see is that a lot of girls who are on SA have zero experience in stripping or sex work. I think this gives them a different mindset and changes the interaction. There are far less emotional hurdles to SA than any other form of sexual entertainment. For example a potential stripper might worry about being seen in the SC, or not want to be touched by someone they find gross. On SA they can keep their sugar life totally secret and be picky about who they fuck. In particular that picky-ness changes the interaction a lot as the age and looks of a PL actually can make a difference. In general it can be a lot more like dating. I personally would dress way more casual for a trip to see my ATF at the SC compared to a date on SA. But.... I am talking out of my ass here as I have never actually done SA.
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Well, don't let that bother you, Paul. For heaven sakes, @Flagooner talks out of his ass as almost an art form.
But Pablo Picasso was never called an asshole.
The downside of this is that there are a lot of dabblers who won't ever actually fuck anyone (or maybe they're holding out for LITERALLY early 40s Richard Gere). This and the usual personality issues are why more than half of SA girls flake on the first date, in my experience. But the upside is that the good ones are fucking amazing. Young, smart, clean, tight little man pleasers. And this is in Memphis, which is a fucking shithole. It tests my patience some weeks, but when you manage to get a good one into the boat it's a transcendent experience.
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Exactly. Ditto.
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Baby escort? What's that? It takes time and effort to get established as a TER-tier escort. Most of those girls have been in the business a long time by the time by the time I get to see them. And they don't do meet & greets, so there's no low risk way to see if she's as cute as her pictures and has a fun attitude or not. Occasionally you see a girl who advertises an SA-like experience (young, beautiful, low-volume) but usually those girls charge exorbitant rates. Around here 98% of BP-tier girls I wouldn't fuck for free. The few cute ones usually burn out really quick.
I'm not saying it's impossible to find a similar experience in a different segment of the market, but even accounting for the 50+% flake rate on 1st dates, it's way more common on SA than anywhere else. It probably depends a lot on your location, though. SCs around here are pretty lame.
To a large degree it's just a numbers game: at any given time, and in my area, there are something like 5000 college girls, and the cost to participate is $90/month. Compare that to a night out at our best strip club where I might drop $400, see five college girls, four of which don't sleep customers and the fifth is a cutthroat ROB. There's just no comparison in terms of value. Our society has saddled millennials with brutal student debt and low-paying jobs and rewards old farts with passive income from stocks, bonds, and real estate. The deck is stacked in favor old guys. In a fair and just society they wouldn't be sleeping with guys three decades older. It's their own fault; these millennials should go out and vote.
Where I differ with @justaguy is that a lot of these girls are not set to suck your balls on the first date and a couple of drinks. I've never experienced anything like that on the first date.
Some of these girls are awesome, smart, and attractive. You might accomplish the same thing in a strip club, but it's orders-of-magnitude harder.
Oh...and stop calling me a "sphincter" @Flagooner.
I had an arrangement in one of the places I travel to for work often that ended in September and had lasted about nine months. Grad student.
As Shailynn mentioned many of the women have found finding a guy who really has money is harder than they thought it would be via the site. It causes a lot of the girls to be defensive up front--the downside. The upside is when they realize you are going to treat them right the tend to be grateful.
Flagooner I will say I've been fortunate enough to find girls who really are not playacting. That will go the extra mile in numerous ways to keep me happy.
Random Member and I seem to have the most similar circumstances from what he comments on here. Last girl I saw was an ex Hooters girl who decided she didn't like being grabbed for tips while trying to serve wings at a quasi sports bar.
There's are just so many girls, which is a good but does anyone have any good keyword or tricks for filtering them out?
@RandomMember, girls who are three decades younger than me aren't legal yet.
@Nixur68 Lots of girls create a profile and then forget about it. I only bother messaging girls who've been on the site in the last week. It is a numbers game, so you need a good boilerplate opener. I'm currently using:
[generic compliment] [description of what I'm looking for in terms of meeting frequencies and times] "Would you be comfortable with that?"
With predictive text or copy-paste you can bang out a message to all the girls you might enjoy fucking who might actually see the message in a relatively short amount of time. I'm my experience about half of my openers get some kind of reply. Cute girls who are frequently logged in get a ton of messages, so if she hasn't replied to the opener after a week I'll try to bump myself to the top of her list, ideally while she's logged in (green dot).
I always try to end a message with a yes/no question (the right answer is yes). Also "comfortable" is a great word, I use it a lot.