How has FOSTA affected the Sugar Baby sites ?

It’s still happening. As time goes on... most sugar babies are realizing most of the guys on that site are broke, and wannabe sugar daddies are realizing they can’t afford $500 for a lunch date.

FOSTA :

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^ @blondbmbshell, FOSTA-SESTA, a law intended to curb "trafficking" online, and modifies FCC Section 230. It was a big deal and big new this year for escorts who advertise online.

" The Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act (SESTA) and Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act (FOSTA) are the U.S. Senate and House bills that as the FOSTA-SESTA package became law on April 11, 2018. They clarify the country's sex trafficking law to make it illegal to knowingly assist, facilitate, or support sex trafficking, and amend the Section 230 safe harbors of the Communications Decency Act "

it caused a favorite website of mine to shut down. the site owner was scared of possible legal action mainly due to a particular subject somebody posted.

SA is all I do now. I barely go to the clubs. Why would I when I can hang out with a different college girl each night for less than $400 a month each? I love being in a small-town locale. The girls don't need much, they don't ask for much, and when you give them attention, they melt. I've ended up with several real FWBs (no exchange at all) off the site just because the pool is so small in the area, and all they really want is a connection.

That said, I'm still looking for the illusive long-term arrangement. I think I may have found something, but we'll see..

I haven't noticed much difference since FOSTA-SESTA. Although I've heard that the site is now more trigger-happy about banning members who mention sex and pay-per-meet in the same message. I've never had any problem in three years, although I'm careful to avoid anything involving sex on the site message board. It's easy to avoid the riffraff if that's what you want: escorts and back-page whores coming over to the site will not agree to unpaid meet-and-greet.

Had a dinner date recently with 22-yr-old SA girl who's tagline was "educated arm-candy." Turns out she was an ex- Tilted Kilt and ex- stripper in the area. No mention of that in her profile. Half French and half Romanian, busty, and slightly overweight in my opinion. Politically aware and my type in other ways. There are definitely some strippers on SA. I asked her what percentage of strippers have tried SA, and she replied "just about all of them."

..and another 20-yr-old smoking hot blonde girl that flamed out after a couple of dates at my house. She's interested in racing and had this turbo-charged 600 HP BMW. Her sister has a Ducati. Father's an MD, mother's a nurse.

Sphincter

Another devastatin takedown from Fagooner - our very own geriatric elf.

I am starting to see a few on Adult Friend Finder. They just drop a few key words that AFF has not filtered yet. like P2P

-->"Is Seeking Arrangements worth checking out anymore "

"worth checking out" is in the eye of the beholder. Still just as possible as before to find someone on "Seeking". Yes, it's Seeking now, casting itself as a legit dating site. Changes include: no more mention of monetary expectations (e.g., minimal,moderate, substantial), easier to get banned from the site for mentioning $, and in my area, I sense there's more escorts than ever (which isn't a problem if that's what you're looking for)

SA has been going downhill since before those laws passed because being a “sugar baby” has become more talked about and glamorized by society. I would imagine it’s good for the guys because I’ve talked to some seriously clueless girls who go on there and fuck a guy for a purse, concert tickets or a few hundred bucks and call that a sugar daddy. Prostitution is still more looked down upon so that’s their way of doing it without having to feel as “dirty” or bad

What is the difference between escorting and a "sugar" relationship other than the implied repeat business?

^i believe more of a personal relationship and an allowance/spoiling with gifts and trips, with an allowance. VS X amount for X meet/fuck/hour

What ever you tell yourself works for you ;)

@Fagooner: "What is the difference between escorting and a "sugar" relationship other than the implied repeat business?"

We've been over this a hundred times, you fucking clueless wonder. It can be the difference between a college girl, who's experimenting for the first time, and an escort who fucks four men per day by the hour. Still, sugaring qualifies as a benign form of prostitution.

BTW it's whose not who's in my first post.

It seems to me that the sugar daddy typically believes that and is thus a bigger mark.

It also seems the sugar baby expects to be better compensated for the GFE play acting. Maybe she tries to convince herself that it is different than prostitution but knows it isn't.

^ that response was for @April

My response to @tinypecker: Sphincter

^Well thanks for an opinion on something you have absolutely no experience with dipshit. Also coming from nearly the only TUSCL member with absolutely no OTC experience with dancers. Fucking idiot, poseur, clown.

@RandomMember

Where can I meet this girl with the BMW? I wanna meet her so I can beat her silly BMW in my Corvette. Show her that her German tin can is no match for American muscle

@Vanta want to try a run for the pink slips against an AMGS65 with the Bi-Turbo ?

^^ She claims to fastest female racer in my state. Don't know enough about cars to know either way. She thinks my Infiniti is a POS.

@twentyfive

Won't run for pink slips, but I'm sure my Corvette could take it! C7 Z06 for the win!

Z06 has 650 HP / 650 TQ factory stock; just wait till it gets pulley upgrades and a camshaft swap

Not gonna run for free ;)

@Random Infinity is a POS ;) if you want some luxury try S550 better automobile all the way around.

Hey Infiniti isn't bad! They're reliable!! My uncle's G37S has 204K miles and it still pulls like a beast!

@twentyfive

I've always been for pure performance; luxury means more gadgets and gizmos in the car. More of that means more weight! And besides the Mercedes can't handle half as well as a Corvette Z06 can. 1.00+ G's!!

If you say so, I've owned a few Corvettes in my time, don't really like riding on skateboards :) BTW Corvettes are awesome starter cars ;)

I'm sorry @littlepecker. I'm sure your sugar relationship is 180 degrees different from prostitution. You just volunteer to pay her bills because you care for her so much. And she fucks you exclusively and doesn't really want your money.

ROTFLMAO

Anyway, @Warrior, back to the original topic: I don't think FOSTA has had much of an impact, and you don't have much to lose by giving it a try. Also the Reddit sub "Sugar Lifestyle" has almost 26K members now and it's a much better place to get information than TUSCL.

Sphincter

I was wondering how this got turned into a discussion about cars.

LOL

-->"What is the difference between escorting and a "sugar" relationship other than the implied repeat business?"

Sugar relationships are all over the map, but for the vast majority of the women, one of the big differences is: an escort puts out an ad and fucks everyone who has the $ (and has references); the subsequent "relationship" is about an exchange of $ for sex for XYZ minutes. Most sugarbabies hand pick one (or sometimes a small number) of SDs; the subsequent "relationship" features an exchange of sex and money, but many SBs are also looking for fun experiences and many for at least a little emotional intimacy.

Pertinent to another topic in the thread: it may be the case that the super young, new sugarbabies don't think of themselves as sex workers; the experienced SBs absolutely know they are.

'course, as many guys on tuscl have shown, you can also use it like backpage, finding girls who'll meet, fuck, and move on. Plenty of fodder for someone who wants something more escort-like.

Thanks subra. Its nice to get a straight answer from someone who isn't defensive and insecure.

@Warrior

I was wondering how this got turned into a discussion about cars.<

We're pretty good huh ? ;)

And, yeah, an Infiniti is a POS. And that's coming from someone who drives a Camry.

Don't underestimate Infiniti! The VQ37 engine in most of the G models is the same engine found in the Nissan 370Z! Probably one of the best naturally aspirated V6s on the market

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The Z06 Corvette mopped the competition! I raced an Audi RS7 on the street a while back in my Z06. The Audi got left behind so bad it looked like it was standing still

I'm not underestimating the Infiniti. Calling it a POS was giving it more credit than it deserves.

^^ @Flagooner, you silly little aging, emasculated, elf: Do you really think I care about the status of my car(s)? I do have three cars and a motorcycle which fills the garage of my pretty custom home out in the suburbs. Everything you write here oozes of a loser with a massive inferiority complex. Maybe you should quit while you're behind.

Sphincter

-->"What is the difference between escorting and a "sugar" relationship other than the implied repeat business?"

One of the big differences I see is that a lot of girls who are on SA have zero experience in stripping or sex work. I think this gives them a different mindset and changes the interaction. There are far less emotional hurdles to SA than any other form of sexual entertainment. For example a potential stripper might worry about being seen in the SC, or not want to be touched by someone they find gross. On SA they can keep their sugar life totally secret and be picky about who they fuck. In particular that picky-ness changes the interaction a lot as the age and looks of a PL actually can make a difference. In general it can be a lot more like dating. I personally would dress way more casual for a trip to see my ATF at the SC compared to a date on SA. But.... I am talking out of my ass here as I have never actually done SA.

"But.... I am talking out of my ass here as I have never actually done SA."

Well, don't let that bother you, Paul. For heaven sakes, @Flagooner talks out of his ass as almost an art form.

LOL. But Pablo Picasso was never called an asshole.

SA has massively lowered the barrier to entry for girls to enter the sex industry (part of this is the euphemistic narrative that it isn't really sex work), which shifts the market in favor of guys. The fact that SA girls have more control over who sees them naked and fucks them makes it a viable option for lots of girls who wouldn't mind doing something naughty for a little extra money, but would never think of taking their clothes off in front of a roomful of strangers, or putting up an escort ad.

The downside of this is that there are a lot of dabblers who won't ever actually fuck anyone (or maybe they're holding out for LITERALLY early 40s Richard Gere). This and the usual personality issues are why more than half of SA girls flake on the first date, in my experience. But the upside is that the good ones are fucking amazing. Young, smart, clean, tight little man pleasers. And this is in Memphis, which is a fucking shithole. It tests my patience some weeks, but when you manage to get a good one into the boat it's a transcendent experience.

"But the upside is that the good ones are fucking amazing. Young, smart, clean, tight little man pleasers"

Exactly. Ditto.

But can't the same be said about the good strippers, escorts, AMPs, ...

Sure, theoretically. But I've been perving in various ways for about 20 years, and I've had more amazing experiences in 6 months of SA than all the rest put together.

...and the newbie SA girls are just a completely different thing. High volume sex work is the female equivalent of trench warfare. It changes them. They may be hot, but they've stared into the abyss too long. The best SA girls are still in the denial stage (but they say yes to me

How does that differ from a newbie stripper or escort?

Just wondering

^They the most isolated from other hoes. Much easier to turn them out and make them one of my personal hoes.

In my experience, a baby stripper is still getting used to the idea of stripping and doing laps. It's unlikely that she's going to be comfortable meeting you in a hotel room and spending an hour with your balls in her mouth after a couple drinks. If an SA girl shows up for a date, she's usually ready to do exactly that.

Baby escort? What's that? It takes time and effort to get established as a TER-tier escort. Most of those girls have been in the business a long time by the time by the time I get to see them. And they don't do meet & greets, so there's no low risk way to see if she's as cute as her pictures and has a fun attitude or not. Occasionally you see a girl who advertises an SA-like experience (young, beautiful, low-volume) but usually those girls charge exorbitant rates. Around here 98% of BP-tier girls I wouldn't fuck for free. The few cute ones usually burn out really quick.

I'm not saying it's impossible to find a similar experience in a different segment of the market, but even accounting for the 50+% flake rate on 1st dates, it's way more common on SA than anywhere else. It probably depends a lot on your location, though. SCs around here are pretty lame.

Just adding to @justaguy's interesting posts:

To a large degree it's just a numbers game: at any given time, and in my area, there are something like 5000 college girls, and the cost to participate is $90/month. Compare that to a night out at our best strip club where I might drop $400, see five college girls, four of which don't sleep customers and the fifth is a cutthroat ROB. There's just no comparison in terms of value. Our society has saddled millennials with brutal student debt and low-paying jobs and rewards old farts with passive income from stocks, bonds, and real estate. The deck is stacked in favor old guys. In a fair and just society they wouldn't be sleeping with guys three decades older. It's their own fault; these millennials should go out and vote.

Where I differ with @justaguy is that a lot of these girls are not set to suck your balls on the first date and a couple of drinks. I've never experienced anything like that on the first date.

Some of these girls are awesome, smart, and attractive. You might accomplish the same thing in a strip club, but it's orders-of-magnitude harder.

Oh...and stop calling me a "sphincter" @Flagooner.

I'm still using SA but I don't use it for one night stands. Never have. SA has changed in the last year. To me the quality of women in terms of looks as well as the way the women market themselves is different.

I had an arrangement in one of the places I travel to for work often that ended in September and had lasted about nine months. Grad student.

As Shailynn mentioned many of the women have found finding a guy who really has money is harder than they thought it would be via the site. It causes a lot of the girls to be defensive up front--the downside. The upside is when they realize you are going to treat them right the tend to be grateful.

Flagooner I will say I've been fortunate enough to find girls who really are not playacting. That will go the extra mile in numerous ways to keep me happy.

Random Member and I seem to have the most similar circumstances from what he comments on here. Last girl I saw was an ex Hooters girl who decided she didn't like being grabbed for tips while trying to serve wings at a quasi sports bar.

How are you guys using SA?

There's are just so many girls, which is a good but does anyone have any good keyword or tricks for filtering them out?

I should clarify: some girls are ready, even anxious to go all the way the first time we meet, but generally the higher quality girls are not, and can get scared off by any talk of intimacy too early in the conversation. These girls are usually happy to do a platonic meet & greet over drinks or coffee the first time. Nearly every girl I've spent 20 minutes chatting with at the first meet has been ready to suck balls the second time (first "real date"). The flake rate for post-meet & greet dates is much lower also.

@RandomMember, girls who are three decades younger than me aren't legal yet.

@Nixur68 Lots of girls create a profile and then forget about it. I only bother messaging girls who've been on the site in the last week. It is a numbers game, so you need a good boilerplate opener. I'm currently using: [generic compliment] [description of what I'm looking for in terms of meeting frequencies and times] "Would you be comfortable with that?"

With predictive text or copy-paste you can bang out a message to all the girls you might enjoy fucking who might actually see the message in a relatively short amount of time. I'm my experience about half of my openers get some kind of reply. Cute girls who are frequently logged in get a ton of messages, so if she hasn't replied to the opener after a week I'll try to bump myself to the top of her list, ideally while she's logged in (green dot).

I always try to end a message with a yes/no question (the right answer is yes). Also "comfortable" is a great word, I use it a lot.