Ever pay a girl to sit with you?
WILLYSGOTAWOMAN
New Jersey
I kind of just sitting on the couch with this one chic. Right now its preliminary to Lap Dances and seems to have a time limit. Wonder what it would cost to have a little more time. I wouldn't think be the same rate as lap dances.
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Yes I’ve sat at the bar and dropped a $20 on a dancer and bought her a drink to sit and chat for a few and have her hang on me. I wouldn’t do that if I intended to eventually take her for a dance
FIRST, You might also tell her (after 9-10 minutes) that you're going to get dances with her, just not right now. She might stay for free for a awhile just knowing that it's a definite sale.
SECOND, Or offer free drinks, instead. Some will stay for free drinks for now, knowing there's a dance sale at the end.
THIRD, Other than that. You just need to read her body cues. If she's getting antsy, you might need to tip her $5 every now and again. If it's dead or there's not (sausage fest), you might need to tip more. In the past ('90s boom times) I might have had to tip $20 every now and again, for up to $60-120/hr for paid convo to talk. Nowadays $10-$60 an hour gets most dancers.
Just feed her a $5 after 9-10 minutes, before she makes her sales pitch for dances. Let her know you'll get dances with her, just not right now. For now you want to stay and socialize. That $5 sets you up in her mind as a paying customer. You might not even need to tip beyond that as dance dancers have shit for hustle or can't tell time for shit. When you notice her getting antsy, tip another $5. That's why I said it's trial and error.
FOURTH, I find tipping to convo often results in her pitching me OTC offer. So there's another upside.
Note, the guys were will openly tease you for tipping a dancer to sit and talk. Just disregard unless you club dayshift or weeknights. Fri/Sat nights I find I have to tip a little.
If it's dead or there's not ** much $$ on the floor, say 3:1 dancer to PL ratio, you might not need to tip anything. If it's busy and there's a 3:1 PL to dancer ratio** (sausage fest), like it is when I club, then you might need to tip more. At least $5.
I've never paid anyone to sit with me. If they leave because you don't tip them then let them leave. There are plenty of others that will come around
Obviously, if she's staying for 3 hours uncompensated, then, yeah DUH, you don't need to tip. that's why you need to read her body language. It's not pathetic. It's just proactively trying to get what you want out of the visit.
But nowadays the guys say you don't need to tip for convo, and for most part, they are right. The girls don't make $$$$ like they used to and will work for whatever tips and dance sales they can.
Also it works in your favor if you visit on slower shifts, week days, week nights, and avoid weekend nights. It also works in your favor if you're a known regular and you spend money over a period of time. If you're spending $4K over 4 months, and going once or twice a week. That's different than me. I'm an unknown and club rarely. So that factors into it. I've probably spent about $4K in my entire life in clubs, over 22 years.
But I do what to say, that I find these days that the guys here are right. More often than not you will not need to tip for convo anymore. The economy and money in clubs is that bad that you don't have to any more.
1) get dolled up
2) sit in a g-string and stilleto heels for hours
3) pay house fee and tip outs $$$
4) just to sit with a guy for hours on end for free? ..... sort of doesn't make sense.
"I think it would be very rude to talk to a dancer for three hours and then not buy a dance or tip or anything though.
You sort of made is sound that that was the case with your bravado.
Though in the same vein (sp?), I've gone on Sun nights twice. Each time, it was 9-10 PM and I was the last customer in the place (other guys all left around 7:30-08:00 PM after staying an hour). When I was leaving, she was like, NO DON'T GO. STAY. IF YOU LEAVE THERE WON'T BE ANY CUSTOMERS TO TALK YOU. I WON'T EVEN ASK YOU FOR any more MONEY, DRINKS, OR DANCES.
I think she was right. She'd rather talk to someone like me (easy to talk to, effortlessly easy, not boundary pushing, funny), than sit around an empty club with no one to talk to. Happy with the dance money from earlier. So on the right night, I get it.
Then, yeah, I would have taken up her offer to sit and talk for free Sunday until 2:30 AM closing. Or I would at least have stayed 2-3 more hours until midnight.
If I wanted this and was curious, I would just ask her "how much tip would you be looking for to hang out like this for 10 more minutes?" If it sounds high, you could counteroffer and/or mention that you will be interested in dances afterwards. She likely has a target number for the interaction. It could be a typical spend for dances minus whatever the house would take if it were made during a lap dance. E.g., if she often sells 3 dances to a customer at $20 each, she might net $30 after the house cut/tipouts with an expected pre-dance hustle time of 15 minutes. So, she might want $30 or something along those lines for the additional 10 minutes to cover the 25 minutes of interaction.
As others said, it can also depend on how busy the shift is, your breath, general hygiene, club culture, etc. At some clubs, dancers typically sit and hang out for long periods while at others, they hide in the dressing room if they don't close the deal for a dance within the first 2-3 minutes.
I generally used be like you when I was around 20. She could stay I she wanted but I would be ok with her leaving and either sitting by myself or waiting for someone else
And DC9428, if we really want to play the pathetic card, we could bring up your civilian dating life again. And why you have to pay sex workers to be with a woman over time. If you want to go there. I think not. ;)
The side with the money ALWAYS holds the leverage in negotiations. Which is fine.
You could argue: hey that’s not fair to the girl. They would still say. We won’t pay. We have the money. And there is NO further argument because we don’t have to.
It just the grim reality of the situation. Pussy is cheap. Sex is cheap. Just the reality of today’s world.
So true yet the real salesmanship come into play when you all allow a chick to flip the script.
And truthfully that’s the way it should be. I’ve been guilty of being too concerned with the girl’s POV. After all, Tuscl is really for the customers and we discuss strategies for customers.
And part of that is getting as much as we can for as little money, as long as it is still somewhat fair.
Boys are so silly with their thought process
Really in 2018 a PL shouldn’t be paying $$$ for clothed conversation. @Warrior15, sadly no action, no nudity, just clothed convo like at a library. This isn’t 1995-1999 anymore. Lol.
Blahblahblah23, glad we could amuse you, lol!
Just for me if I am sitting alone it's because I don't wanna deal with the stupidity that moment so if someone has the nerve to approach me or wave me over he better spend immediately.
I actually would like to read your POV or thought process sometime. Maybe not in this thread or even right now. But at some point ...... and NO I’m not paying you! Ha! maybe over pm. I agree boys are silly. ;)
1. I thought you were happily married and had happy interactions with previous girlfriends before that?
You have made it sound like it was *always* favorable for you. Why would you talk about turning the tables?
2. Caring about having an “edge” is mostly important for the posters here who want an advantage of getting favorable rates (sexual favors+time spent) with a dancer versus what an escort would charge. Are you trying to do the same?
3. For dedicated PLs, I understand why they want to stretch their dollars further. But you have stated before that you go to the SC once a year and spend ~$150. Did you have intentions on going to the club more often in the future?
5. If you were trying to get more “bang” for your buck, you have already said a lot of dancers in your area offer OTC pretty inexpensively already.
Therefore, I don’t understand why any edge is necessary then. Just like one wouldn’t need much “game” for Detroit or TJ either.
6. How does one who only goes to strip clubs once a year have CFs?
I can do no wrong :)
I popped on Facebook, and there’s a club in South Dakota advertising for dancers to come over because it’s hunting season. And that couch dances are $50 and bed $100.
I know there’s not a lot of competition, but I wonder how they get away with those prices. :o
But there is something much bigger at stake here. Lap dancing started with lap sitting, all front room. Dances were just a gimmick invented to take money off of chumps.
By keeping the girl in the front room with you, you have the chance to lead it yourself, to let her open up to you. And the pinnacle of this is the Front Room Makeout Session.
Right here, our very own Countryman brings back home to Louisville what he learned in TJ, and makes the move from Pathetic Looser to Womanizer:
https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php5?id…
SJG
Clapton, Old Love (electric and really good)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIBxn8ar…
SJG
SJG
san_jose_guy - commonly referred to as SJG this forum member is usually mocked or ignored, his comments should NOT be taken in any way as legitimate
TrapBaby304 - definite troll account
You sit with her in the front room, and feed her cash, and then you get to lead the interaction. No telling how far it might go. Just ask Countryman.
SJG
L'Absinthe, Degas 1876
http://www.theartwolf.com/articles/impre…
Debussy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uKVI6_F…
san_jose_guy - commonly referred to as SJG this forum member is usually mocked or ignored, his comments should NOT be taken in any way as legitimate
TrapBaby304 - definite troll account
Black club in Hopewell, another in the South East, and what looks to be a true shithole, 10 miles outside of Roanoke.
SJG
There isn't a rule requiring anyone to pay a girl sitting with us. Remember she made the decision to sit down with the customer HOPING to get a tip. If I'm the customer I get to decide whether I should do so or not. And if management is on her ass about it then that's her problem not mine. She can just get up and try to get tips from someone else.
I've been to tons of clubs and I've never paid anyone for anything other than dances. If I ever step foot in a club again I will still continue what I've always done. Not paying a single damn thing but dances
Giving her cash instead of dances is how you get to lead the interaction. And has Countryman has demonstrated, that can lead to a front room makeout session and waking up with the girl in the morning.
https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php5?id…
SJG
Front room money sometimes as opposed to paying for dances.
SJG
Buying dances is for chumps.
Taking up her time and not giving her money, is for assholes.
Countryman
https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php5?id…
SJG
And then you can use these transfers to communicate things to her, like how you like how she has dressed and her high heels, and that you want her to let you 'take care of her, with money', getting her used to this broader more open kind of offer.
Be careful though, it might go way beyond a front room makeout session and waking up with her in the morning.
SJG
I have bought a dancer a beer or drink if I wanted her to sit with me but I do not consider that to be paying her. That's an entertainment expense.
. if she is a girl that I do intend on getting a dance with i let her talk on for a while... maybe even buy her a drink...
I don't tip for sitting/conversation on general principle. Now if this sitting includes a lot of physical flirting and touching/groping, then yes a "modest" is warranted, but even then i just take her to the back and i "might" throw in a tip on a dance or stack a few dances, but usually tips are for the actual dances and not any of the time/effort she spent beforehand.
I've had girls sit with me awkwardly for about half an hour or more without asking for a dance before they're finally called on stage or something, or she finally leaves for whatever reason or gives some excuse. Or i actually might leave her and tip someone else on stage. I don't feel sorry for these girls. Most girls fortunately aren't that dense. If i genuinely want to dance with a girl, she'll know within 5-10 minutes or less even. I'm not the type to try to hold a girl at my table if she starts to leave after she was pleasantly bantering or flirting. Some girls just never get around to asking about the dance. And if i'm not especially interested in her, i'm certainly not going to ask her.
Interestingly, i have yet to have a dancer ask me for a tip after just sitting with me or talking with me. I've had several girls, often seemingly in collusion with a waitress, ask for a drink though, which is a different story...
I only recall paying a dancer for her time once, sorta - it was probably about a dozen-years ago, at Baby Dolls Dallas - I was sitting with a very pretty and very personable AA and reallly enjoying her company and the way she carried herself - I've always been one to be cognizant about not wasting anyone's time (dancer or not) - this personable AA had been sitting with me for a while post-dances, halfway thru our convo I just blurted out "don't worry I'll pay you for your time" since I was taking up her time and not planning to get more dances - I think I tipped her somewhere b/w $40 &
$60 (can't remember exactly but I doubt it was more than that knowing me, dances were $20) - I told her I was enjoying her company and she seemed genuinely flattered that I'd tip her just bc I genuinely enjoyed her company and she even told the waitress something along the lines of "wow that's so nice that he wants to tip me just bc he enjoys my company", and she said it in a way that she was trying to be complimentary of my actions but I felt like a smock her telling someone else although she seemed to do it with good intentions - anyway that is the only time I sorta paid a dancer just for her time/company, sorta bc I would've been-fine/understood if she had told she needed to go work the room, i.e. I wasn't necessarily tipping her to stay/not-leave, just that I felt I should compensate her for her good-company.
Sometimes we would do VIP and fuck, other times we would just sit and drink and I might finger her some at the table. She was a lot of fun to hang with but again that is a regular that I had known for a good while.
Also depends on how busy the club is and how motivated she is to work it. Everything's negotiable.
My responses are in-line. :)
nicespice
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October 5, 2018
Okay Dominic...
>1. I thought you were happily married and had happy interactions with previous girlfriends before that?
1. Yes, your recollection is right. I think my approach has worked for me.
>You have made it sound like it was *always* favorable for you. Why would you talk about turning the tables?
2. It was me just role playing and trolling the guys here to ridicule their views. The view over semantics on spending money on a dancer when she is entertaining to me. I think net-net, the club interactions to me have *always* been favorable in my direction. All of my dancer experiences have been positive.
>2. Caring about having an “edge” is mostly important for the posters here who want an advantage of getting favorable rates (sexual favors+time spent) with a dancer versus what an escort would charge. >Are you trying to do the same?
3. No, I do not care about having an edge. I find I don’t need one.
>3. For dedicated PLs, I understand why they want to stretch their dollars further. But you have stated before that you go to the SC once a year and spend ~$150.
>Did you have intentions on going to the club more often in the future?
4. Yes, I do have intentions of going more often. Very much so!
>5. If you were trying to get more “bang” for your buck, you have already said a lot of dancers in your area offer OTC pretty inexpensively already.
5. Correct.
>Therefore, I don’t understand why any edge is necessary then. Just like one wouldn’t need much “game” for Detroit or TJ either.
5. Correct. [ditto]
>6. How does one who only goes to strip clubs once a year have CFs?
6. Nicespice, you haven’t been able to figure that one out, eh? ;)