DEAR DEIDRE I cheated on my wife with a stripper — I hate myself but I know I’d

definitely flashin ben usually helps.

I’m going to a strip club tonight. But don’t worry about me. I’m just going to watch and have a few beers.

Anyone find it odd that the letter was from San Jose, Ca, USA?

she's right though

Wow he comes off as really judgemental in his letter. The White Knight he wants to make sure that the stripper knows she can have a better life because heaven forbid she actually enjoys what she does. No idea if she does or not but he doesn't even consider that as an option

That quote by DEIDRE really bugs me. I get the whole lack of intimacy and sex thing. She acts as if she understands men. But then she goes to rip on the guys manhood and relevance. Which shows she doesn't understand the first thing.

"DEIDRE SAYS: It is an exploitative industry and I hope you are realistic enough to realise that girl pressured you to have sex not because she fancied you but simply because she needs the money."

^^^I'm sure the guy, in addition to lack of sex, likely (though I'm not sure but I strongly suspect) rips on the poor guy the same way. I see it all the time with some wives.

What DEITRE did was take her disappointment in him, ball it up, force open his mouth, and shut it down the guy's throat. If anything reading that garbage makes me want to find this fine young dancer, and pay her to fuck me, because, hell, I feel like I need it after reading that. FFS.

Dom out.

it is an exploitive industry, there's no way around that

Another Noble Pervert in the making.

He kicks it off by saying that he feels sorry for the dancers. Then he goes on to give this specific girl ample grief for her job, asking her why she strips and telling her that she could better. He even claimed that he felt bad because the girl looked young enough to be his daughter.

So after all of that, what did he do? Did he offer to put her in touch with better employment? Give her money in a noble gesture and tell her that she could take a break with him? Do anything else that might meaningfully change her life?...

Nope, none of that. Instead he slipped on a rubber on and fucked her in the back room. LOL.

Does Gawker have relatives in Scotland by any chance? ;)

Yeah, I would have made a comment about some of those Noble Pervert in-the-making quotes. I except I tend to resemble some of them more than I was comfortable with. Like this cringe-worth one, “I’d hate our daughter to be taken advantage of by men like me.”

But what I don’t get is how they go from that (which is fine) to this: “Do anything else that might meaningfully change her life?... Nope, none of that. Instead he slipped on a rubber on and fucked her in the back room. LOL.” That’s what I’ll never get about those guys! Or you altruistic or not?

It’s a meme, but be like Dugan. :)

That's the problem, while it is an exploitive industry, and you can feel bad for the struggle. White knighting will never get you anywhere, its the ultimate weakness and even if a bitch is down on her luck, desperate, exploited, she won't love or want you coz you try to "rescue" her. She'll exploit it as a weakness.

Either a guy is ok with paying a younger girl to fuck or he isn't. For a guy with SOs and daughters, this includes wrapping his arms around the obvious double standard that he's using a girl in a way that he'd never want done to his own wife or kids.

I have no problem with the double standard. I do p4p with both girls young enough to be my kids and other guys' wives. They are not the same as my own family. Unlike my family, who live by certain value systems, these girls are grown women who chose to be there and then chose to accept $$$ for sex. Simple.

Should we start a betting pool for what rickdugan does when he discovers that his daughter is stripping and and making gangbang pornos?

I think it is fine to feel bad for the struggle. I'm trying to minimize the damage I personally cause (to her psyche?). I was kind of thinking this was "bad" for her, long term. But what I'm been doing so far -- avoid groping or much 2-way contact and avoiding sex -- is just plain misplaced empathy from a customer perspective. Not a white knight thing. Trying to live up to the StripperWeb ideal customer? Bizzaro ethical clubbing maybe? Ethical Predator? Either way it is STUPID. Her need for money truthfully outweighs ALL of that.

I don't have a problem any more with the double standard. Rick and twenty's comments earlier in the year ( https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=… and https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=… ) helped me there. And I actually agree! Basically there nothing hypocritical nor selfish about treating your family members better than strangers.

"these girls are grown women who chose to be there and then chose to accept $$$ for sex. Simple."

I no longer have the perverted desire to see Rick's kids treated the same way as his OTC targets. That was a little too demented. I see rick's POV on this.

"Either a guy is ok with paying a younger girl to fuck or he isn't."

I used to think paying to fuck was taking the easy (unmanly) way out. ( https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=… ) More and more I see the attraction and practicality, even for a married guy. ( https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=… ) Just need to consistently come up with the $$$, but I've known that been a consistent problem for me for a while now. ( https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=… and https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=… ) So much for it being the *easy way*. LOL!

Nice chat, rick. Thank you.