What is th eproblem with paying for sex?

Not totally sure where you are coming from with this. But we have laws against prostitution because some see it as exploitative. But often it seems like the real motives are just to suppress sex.

We have laws where they are deemed necessary. Not this country or any other human society has ever allowed people to just do anything they want. Laws keep the peace and contain problems. So there is absolutely a right to contain people. Recently I helped to put a guy in San Quentin.

As far as the fruits of paying for sex, sex does not really work that way. If you want good results you can't really approach it that way. You can give a woman money, but that alone is not going to make the sex great between you and she.

SJG

About number 1, that may be the way more and more people are seeing it, and laws may change. But historically people have seen prostitution are corrupting of public morality and as being exploitation. I do not go along with this, but a society does have an absolute right to outlaw what it considers vice and to punish those who partake of it.

About paying for it, as I see it, the money just makes it possible for the girl to be there and be available. If she was not getting that money, she would have to be somewhere else and doing something else. So the money is at best a show of respect and care. Women like care and attention and they like to be fucked.

I never treat women like prostitutes, or take the attitude that money buys them, or that they sell sex or sex acts. I always treat them 100% like civilians.

SJG

And generally prostitution is state run. Like that in Ancient Rome. Like that in Tijuana. Like that in Las Vegas with its hotel casinos and with Meyer Lansky's mob being largely tolerated by the FBI under J. Edgar Hoover.

SJG

I assume it started w/ religious folks in their believe that sex outside of marriage is a no-no - and these days the liberals seem to be as anti sex-work b/c they feel it exploits women.

I agree that folks shouldn't force other folks to believe in what they believe and live like they live

In most countries prostitution is highly controversial. In Mexico it is also, though seemingly less so.

SJG

Papi wrote: "I assume it started w/ religious folks in their believe that sex outside of marriage is a no-no - and these days the liberals seem to be as anti sex-work b/c they feel it exploits women."

Yes true. Actually early prostitution was temple prostitution, that was the highest grade. But those outside of the temples and their orders practiced outside around the temple.

As far as liberals today, there are different views, first is the Puritanical, which is what you are talking about. But others do want to minimize moral restrictions, and have fought for de-criminalization in the US. This is still ongoing.

But countries do impose moral contraints. Maybe they can force you to believe, but they can act upon you. They can conscript you to fight in a war. They can throw you in front of enemy tanks. They can imprison you or execute you for selling narcotics. They can confiscate your money and property. The state will always have this power. We want it to be used minimally and only wisely, but that power will never, and could never be, abrogated.

In the last two decades this country has moved to abandoning the miranda warning for some situations and to using torture. I do not like that and will oppose that in any manner available. But that does not mean that it will stop. We do live in a police state, even though it may not always look like that. But every society is also the same way. What te**o*ism does is surface that fact.

In this country so many people who should know better are seduced by the doctrine of Libertarianism. All that is is just window dressing and an attempt to blame the problems of Capitalism on the poor.

SJG

"If a girl is a prostitute, then she is selling sex"

She is available there for you if you want to engage. But you still should not treat her different from any other women. And no reason to ever treat her like a prostitute. Don't treat her like she is motivated by money.

Particualarly, in AMPs I never try to offer money to girls, not even when they are refusing FS. I just keep talking to them, coming on to them.

Money only gets introduced when they discuss the subject. I never suggest that for money they should fuck me.

I never suggest that they sell sex acts or sex, or are otherwise motivated by money.

Same for strip clubs.

SJG

To answer the OP: about 1/3 the county thinks they have a right to force their RELIGIOUS beliefs on the rest of the country and have a political party who's more than happy to exploit that for the party's gain (and not the gain of their constituents or the country for that matter).

On a related note: every guy pays one way or the other. Usually it's 1/2 of everything plus monthly installments in the divorce. F that.

@DC: religious morality isn't supposed to be the basis of our civilian laws. How about just being able to go about our daily lives and economic behavior without the threat of 'wild west' crime and 'frontier' justice (regardless of what the church says)?

"about 1/3 the county thinks they have a right to force their RELIGIOUS beliefs on the rest of the country"

You can't really make someone believe something. But through due process the citizens of this country do have the right to pass laws and to punish those who violate.

As far as prostitution, attitudes are changing, and also it has always been a very difficult sort of thing to control. So things are seeming to change.

A lot of people think sex always costs money. Often this is true, but it is not always true and needn't always be true.

"religious morality isn't supposed to be the basis of our civilian laws"

All of our morality and laws have some basis in religion.

And in every society there are always going to be political disputes about all such things.

SJG

You can give a girl money, and even make agreements about money, without talking to her like you think she is a prostitute.

But acting like she is motivated by money, or gives sex for money, that is always treating her like a prostitute.

SJG

Thanks for all of the replies. I’m going to digest this information. I see now that there are a few things I should have elaborated on, when I post a response I will. Again, thanks for the replies.

"Recently I helped to put a guy in San Quentin."

Recently? You've been droning on and on about that since you've been registered here. Truth is they imprisoned the wrong guy, it should have been you, creep.

It's one of the very few laws that can be broken even though the act itself is legal and legal consent is present.