For those of us who have been in the game for several decades, what's the biggest difference you see today vs. 25-30 years ago. To me I miss the days befor cameras were everywhere. I do like the fact most dancers heavily groom if not shave down there today (not a big fan of the bush). Also, seems like to me that it's much more socially acceptable today to go to strip clubs. Anyone else have any input?
Als, and most importantly (sorry for forgetting this founder) we have sites like TUSCL for intel. I remember rolling into a town and trying to find SCs by looking in the phone book, asking guys at bars and gas stations, and relying on cab drivers for good advice
What I *don’t* miss is having to search through the phone book hoping for an ad to a club, and then driving across the county to find that it’s not really a strip club.
Music was better. Girls used to wear full nude pantyhose or thigh highs so for fetish guys like me that was a plus. Dances were cheaper, but there weren’t any VIP rooms. Extras were almost non existent.
Back in the 90s when I first SCed (only SCed a handful of times in the 90s), it seemed mileage was harder to come-by (more hit or miss) - could have been the current-climate at the time or me just not knowing any better but I think it was more of the former.
About the only thing that I don't miss from years ago is glitter. It seems like almost all the girls wised up and figured out that guys don't want to leave the place with that crap all over themselves.
Strip clubs when I started were no touching and ITC only. What you saw was all you got. Visual fantasy. And women were tight with their phone numbers.
I think people underestimate the effects of cell phones and caller id. Now women give out phone numbers very freely.
Once you have her phone number, she is potentially your escort. And then with OTC opened up, then the girls see that ITC is how they can make the most money. Goes faster and easier. So they learn to do that too.
Not always coming from the club owners. We had one place in our Mexican Bar underground where they were doing Front Room FS.
And then people have posted about the early days of UHM in Dallas and Houston, the Chair Forts, improvised crude privacy, set up by the dancers. Likely nothing going to the house.
And I suspect that the girls doing this were very GFE, behind the wall, or in the front room.
And then posts about black clubs, girls jumping onto your lap, liking your neck and nibbling on your ear lobe, defying you to come on to them and start making out with them. And then sometimes not even bothering with VIP rooms. Finishing what they had started on couches in darkened corners. More plausible deniability for the owner that way. Probably no house cut either.
I say that cell phones played a huge role in steering it this way.
And see like in Portland, where most of them are on Xoticspot so you can contact them. That completely changes the strip club dynamic.
But also, I recognized that if I wanted my marriage to at least have a chance, I needed to be strict sense faithful. I kept my side of the sidewalk clean.
Do you understand that ATACdawg?
Getting stripper glitter and smells of all types on oneself is fun. And besides, if you want to engage with them, you can't be dividing women into two categories.
Do you understand this ATACdawg?
Some strippers have really perfumed up, to be getting their hair into my face from the stage, in our local no touching clubs. At least they can do that. It really is an intense experience.
I have to partially disagree with lotofun and papi, extras from higher end places were hard or non-existant, but there were ALOT more low end "strip bars" with dancers that were hard up to make a buck and just about anything went on
I can only speak of SCing in terms of now so I'll speak on my current experience. There's a lot of rap and EDM music played in SCs. SCs seem like more of a party atmosphere than what they probably were back then
lolruned, i have to agree, it is more of a party atosphere today, thats a great description. Alot of that IMO is that its much more socially aceptable to go to strip clubs today than it was 30 years ago (not saying i didnt party with strippers back then).
I think extras are much more available today. Also, the strippers are getting younger. 30 years ago they all seemed at least mid-20's. But maybe that was because I was a lot younger.
What I remember about SCing 30 years ago was frustration. These pretty girls that would talk to me but won't go out with me. I couldn't afford a dance, much less going to VIP with a girl. Strip clubs are a LOT more fun now, but I"m sure it's because I now have the money to enjoy them.
I do think that there is a difference in a 25 year old girl now and a 25 year old girl from 30 years ago. Her attitude toward sex is different. 30 years ago, a young girl thought she was being naughty when she was having sex. She still did it, but deep down she thought she was doing something wrong. Today, there is not that same attitude toward casual sex. Young girls are as care free about it as young boys are.
In Detroit, it’s the VIP rooms . Thirty years ago they didn’t exist. Some clubs you could get a hi under the table. I remember Trumps open room upstairs as one of the first. My dancer is getting me off while some other guy is getting humped. Before that, i don’t remember wild extras. I don’t know the west side clubs , only 8 Mile.
I guess my experiances are different than alot of you, but ive alway liked the trashy ones. That being said, the whole strip club culter has changed so much in 30 years. What was once considered taboo and is now accepted. Think about what would have happened to a celebrity getting caught going into a strip club 30 years ago.
girls waaay hotter back in the early 90's compared to now. but mileage waaay more available now than back then. mild extras back then could be had - you just had to know where to look for them.
seemed like there were also more clubs open than now. lots of clubs no longer around.
Girls were more attractive. Lap dancers (adjusted for inflation) were more expensive, so girls giving two way contact dances could make a lot of money without doing extras.
@Warrior the difference between a 25 year old girl thirty years ago and now is thirty years ago I was not so knowledgeable about the way things are, and now I know more than I care to remember, so she bores me much quicker now.
Aside from that the strip clubs seem to be more like clip joints in many ways, in the past it was not as mercenary as it is now.
Socially acceptable as another venue for entertainment like a dance club or bar, but there is no way we would tell any coworkers that we went to the strip club.
Sounds like strip clubs changed for the better. Strippers and rap go so well together
If anything, the dancers today (vs 15-20 years ago) allow more mileage and touching, when the bouncers allow it. Air dancing, burlesque, cabaret, stage shows, and did I mention air dances were more in the norm back then, IME. The downside, since the money if less or not adjusted for inflation, along with mileage expectations, that the girls in the '90s were hotter overall than the girls in the '10s today.
Impala wrote, "Also, seems like to me that it's much more socially acceptable today to go to strip clubs. Anyone else have any input?"
^^^ More socially acceptable??!? Maybe for a customer like me. Didn't we just have a thread about it this where pretty much everyone said they downplayed their own clubbing or mongering to family, friends, or coworkers? Are they open with their spouses or SO with clubbing or mongering? Er, no.
The socially acceptable clubbing is the edgy-night-club sort of strip clubbing or the club-with-your-girlfriend clubbing, which I have down with past GFs. The socially acceptable clubbing is the twice a year the guy or guys go out, drink a little, and look-but-probably-don't-touch clubbing -- which is the type that I do. Where I can laugh it off with people, yeah she motorboated me, I got to see her tits and stuff some singles in her g-string but I couldn't touch beyond that and there was no sex and it was a total rip off for the money, lol. You know where guys are guys for couple nights a year. That sort of clubbing is maybe acceptable.
Or are you trying to say that clubbing where you go by yourself once a week and either beg for sex, or pay for sex (, but never beg to pay for sex) aka mongering or even just for groping (w/o sex) is now in your minds somehow socially acceptable? If so, you did you talk about this to IRL and when or how did it come up. Because I don't believe you, based on that other thread.
25 Years ago, clubs were a lot more picky on who they hired. There was a lot less overweight dancers, and except for smaller clubs a lot less older dancers. Small clubs this wasn't the case. There were also a lot more small neighborhood style clubs. A lot less enhancements too. You might see one or two dancers with large implants, but the rest were natural.
Dancers often had some pussy hair. A few even trimmed it into shapes such as a heart, or diamond. Far less tattoos, and no tramp stamps. Some clubs even required tattoos be covered up in makeup.
Dancers would often had to wear dresses and costumes, and not just bra and panties.
Dancers were also a lot better performers on stage. Now you might see one or two do amazing pole gymnastics, but back then almost every dancer gave a good show. They also worked the stage better and even danced.
Thirty years ago, lap dances were non-existent, in many cities. A lot of clubs a table dance was the dancer dancing on top of your very low table, usually at $5 to $10 a song, and a private show was a dancer working a small off to the side stage.
rl, brings up some interesting points. LDs were very common in the early '90s (earliest I clubbed). Songs were typically 4-5 minutes full length. Stage shows with costumes and a SLOW, drawn out strip tease with audience interaction was common. Typically a stage set might be 4-5 songs, so a stage set might be 20 minutes long, where that dancer could make $100 or more for that set. Often she's have a crystal bowl or a cup at the end of the stage, where is was more customary to put the tips in the jar rather than in her g-string, though that happened, too. Some dancers wouldn't start stripping not even a single piece of clothing until she had some pre-determined tip amount -- often $10 or $20 -- in her bowl. So she'd need to work the crowd to get them going, else she's leave after 1-2 minutes or no interest and no stripping, and the next dancer would immediately come out.
Table dances where more common back then. Sometimes the dancer would lug around a wooden crate and she'd dance in front you on top of the crate (1 foot away, 1 foot in the air) if the laws or rule mandated that. In other clubs, the dancer would literally do the table dance while standing on top of your table. I guess they didn't have crates or boxes at those clubs. Or it was done on a side stage, like rl mentioned.
Dollar dances were also common. The dancer would work work the room and ask for a dollar dance. She'd dance topless for 45 seconds, then ask for a dollar. The tip amount was up to you, but $1 was the minimum. You were free to tip more, if you felt she earned it. And also in SJG-style, you could feed her money during this front room dance, and if you did this, she'd keep dancing, as long you kept tipping her and she felt the exchange was worthwhile. So, yes, feeding the dancers money in the front room used to be a thing.
Wanna dance was also a more common opening phrase, back them.
Tipping for convo (aka paid convo or tipping for time) was also common instead of paying lots of money for just dances. The dancers used to make more money adjusted for inflation back then in the boom of the '90s, so paid convo depending on what that customer was looking to get and looking to spend, might end up being a deal.
Salesmen used to hold client meetings in strip clubs and/or may for rounds of drinks using a company credit card. Some companies used to hold weekly department staff meeting in strip clubs. This was back before feminists who were looking to break the glass ceilings in companies brought lawsuits to companies board of directors to get the practice of SC as a business expense to end.
Black lighting and darker club lighting were more common. So anything in the outfit that really popped under the black lighting, it really stood out. I sort of miss this aesthetic.
Streetwalkers were more prevalent outside of the clubs. Both inside the club or outside in the parking lot. In cases where club management kept the streetwalkers away, they'd either be across the street or a short drive down the street. so even without extras, I imagine it would be easy to get a release (FS or BJ) by a streetwalker after getting teased ITC by the dancers.
I must preface my post by saying I was much more of a clubbing novice back 25-30 years ago. The girls seemed mind-blowingly hot back then.
Tattoos were not as mainstream - so seeing a dancer with ink made me think she was really wild and taboo.
The location meant a lot back then. If a club was in a sketchy area - you needed to be known in order to get any extras from the dancers.
I went to the back room with a dancer about 30 years ago - my first time in a seedy black club back room. It was down a long, dark staircase. The trip down the dark stairs made me think twice. I got down to the “VIP” area - and it was empty. There were three decrepit old sofas - mirrored walls - and a makeshift bar in the opposite corner. The dancer simply took off her outfit - pulled out a condom - and looked at me. I was astounded - as I was expecting a private dance - basically the dancer dancing only for me! Lol! I learned a lot on that trip downstairs!
One of the best things about now is the lack of glitter. That was really annoying.
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I think people underestimate the effects of cell phones and caller id. Now women give out phone numbers very freely.
Once you have her phone number, she is potentially your escort. And then with OTC opened up, then the girls see that ITC is how they can make the most money. Goes faster and easier. So they learn to do that too.
Not always coming from the club owners. We had one place in our Mexican Bar underground where they were doing Front Room FS.
And then people have posted about the early days of UHM in Dallas and Houston, the Chair Forts, improvised crude privacy, set up by the dancers. Likely nothing going to the house.
And I suspect that the girls doing this were very GFE, behind the wall, or in the front room.
And then posts about black clubs, girls jumping onto your lap, liking your neck and nibbling on your ear lobe, defying you to come on to them and start making out with them. And then sometimes not even bothering with VIP rooms. Finishing what they had started on couches in darkened corners. More plausible deniability for the owner that way. Probably no house cut either.
I say that cell phones played a huge role in steering it this way.
And see like in Portland, where most of them are on Xoticspot so you can contact them. That completely changes the strip club dynamic.
SJG
Iron Butterfly, full 57 min concert
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No wonder you ended up divorced, SMH.
But also, I recognized that if I wanted my marriage to at least have a chance, I needed to be strict sense faithful. I kept my side of the sidewalk clean.
Do you understand that ATACdawg?
Getting stripper glitter and smells of all types on oneself is fun. And besides, if you want to engage with them, you can't be dividing women into two categories.
Do you understand this ATACdawg?
Some strippers have really perfumed up, to be getting their hair into my face from the stage, in our local no touching clubs. At least they can do that. It really is an intense experience.
SJG
I do think that there is a difference in a 25 year old girl now and a 25 year old girl from 30 years ago. Her attitude toward sex is different. 30 years ago, a young girl thought she was being naughty when she was having sex. She still did it, but deep down she thought she was doing something wrong. Today, there is not that same attitude toward casual sex. Young girls are as care free about it as young boys are.
seemed like there were also more clubs open than now. lots of clubs no longer around.
Plus there are more clubs in general.
I also think that mileage has improved over time but then extras have decreased due to cameras.
Also boob jobs have improved and now there are butt jobs. Tattoos have increased.
Aside from that the strip clubs seem to be more like clip joints in many ways, in the past it was not as mercenary as it is now.
Sounds like strip clubs changed for the better. Strippers and rap go so well together
Impala wrote, "Also, seems like to me that it's much more socially acceptable today to go to strip clubs. Anyone else have any input?"
^^^ More socially acceptable??!? Maybe for a customer like me. Didn't we just have a thread about it this where pretty much everyone said they downplayed their own clubbing or mongering to family, friends, or coworkers? Are they open with their spouses or SO with clubbing or mongering? Er, no.
The socially acceptable clubbing is the edgy-night-club sort of strip clubbing or the club-with-your-girlfriend clubbing, which I have down with past GFs. The socially acceptable clubbing is the twice a year the guy or guys go out, drink a little, and look-but-probably-don't-touch clubbing -- which is the type that I do. Where I can laugh it off with people, yeah she motorboated me, I got to see her tits and stuff some singles in her g-string but I couldn't touch beyond that and there was no sex and it was a total rip off for the money, lol. You know where guys are guys for couple nights a year. That sort of clubbing is maybe acceptable.
Or are you trying to say that clubbing where you go by yourself once a week and either beg for sex, or pay for sex (, but never beg to pay for sex) aka mongering or even just for groping (w/o sex) is now in your minds somehow socially acceptable? If so, you did you talk about this to IRL and when or how did it come up. Because I don't believe you, based on that other thread.
Dancers often had some pussy hair. A few even trimmed it into shapes such as a heart, or diamond. Far less tattoos, and no tramp stamps. Some clubs even required tattoos be covered up in makeup.
Dancers would often had to wear dresses and costumes, and not just bra and panties.
Dancers were also a lot better performers on stage. Now you might see one or two do amazing pole gymnastics, but back then almost every dancer gave a good show. They also worked the stage better and even danced.
Thirty years ago, lap dances were non-existent, in many cities. A lot of clubs a table dance was the dancer dancing on top of your very low table, usually at $5 to $10 a song, and a private show was a dancer working a small off to the side stage.
Table dances where more common back then. Sometimes the dancer would lug around a wooden crate and she'd dance in front you on top of the crate (1 foot away, 1 foot in the air) if the laws or rule mandated that. In other clubs, the dancer would literally do the table dance while standing on top of your table. I guess they didn't have crates or boxes at those clubs. Or it was done on a side stage, like rl mentioned.
Dollar dances were also common. The dancer would work work the room and ask for a dollar dance. She'd dance topless for 45 seconds, then ask for a dollar. The tip amount was up to you, but $1 was the minimum. You were free to tip more, if you felt she earned it. And also in SJG-style, you could feed her money during this front room dance, and if you did this, she'd keep dancing, as long you kept tipping her and she felt the exchange was worthwhile. So, yes, feeding the dancers money in the front room used to be a thing.
Wanna dance was also a more common opening phrase, back them.
Tipping for convo (aka paid convo or tipping for time) was also common instead of paying lots of money for just dances. The dancers used to make more money adjusted for inflation back then in the boom of the '90s, so paid convo depending on what that customer was looking to get and looking to spend, might end up being a deal.
Salesmen used to hold client meetings in strip clubs and/or may for rounds of drinks using a company credit card. Some companies used to hold weekly department staff meeting in strip clubs. This was back before feminists who were looking to break the glass ceilings in companies brought lawsuits to companies board of directors to get the practice of SC as a business expense to end.
Black lighting and darker club lighting were more common. So anything in the outfit that really popped under the black lighting, it really stood out. I sort of miss this aesthetic.
Streetwalkers were more prevalent outside of the clubs. Both inside the club or outside in the parking lot. In cases where club management kept the streetwalkers away, they'd either be across the street or a short drive down the street. so even without extras, I imagine it would be easy to get a release (FS or BJ) by a streetwalker after getting teased ITC by the dancers.
Tattoos were not as mainstream - so seeing a dancer with ink made me think she was really wild and taboo.
The location meant a lot back then. If a club was in a sketchy area - you needed to be known in order to get any extras from the dancers.
I went to the back room with a dancer about 30 years ago - my first time in a seedy black club back room. It was down a long, dark staircase. The trip down the dark stairs made me think twice. I got down to the “VIP” area - and it was empty. There were three decrepit old sofas - mirrored walls - and a makeshift bar in the opposite corner. The dancer simply took off her outfit - pulled out a condom - and looked at me. I was astounded - as I was expecting a private dance - basically the dancer dancing only for me! Lol! I learned a lot on that trip downstairs!
One of the best things about now is the lack of glitter. That was really annoying.