FKK TOUR service my experience
TravelTime
California
I've been reading some info about taking a tour to Germany's FKK clubs via the FKKTOUR people. What I notice is people commenting who have no actual experience with taking a tour, which is kinda like recommending a strip club and having never been. With all respect I'd like to comment having actually been on a tour. First off NO they don't make a commission from the clubs they take you to. I know this for fact. Second saying the service is not worth the cost depends on the person. Any service oriented business depends on their clients and the needs of those clients. Why else would they have been able to survive being in business for over 20 years now. I choose them because I did not want to hassle with the logistics and wanted Expert advice which they provided hands down over anything I could find on the internet.
I was able to find a special offer on their site which ran me about $200US per day, When comparing costs one must remember you pay them in US dollars so paying $200US is actually about 160 Euros, Knowing that it included Hotel, all my transportation during my stay and detaile info about the clubs, girls, rules and culture. All I had to do was arrive at the FRA airport, exit the plane, collect my luggage and a short 5 minute walk I found my guide and group waiting. Immediately I made some friends with other guys who have obviously have been doing this a while and knew the scene well. I was guided away from the problem women as well explained the Do's and Don'ts.
I was spared, renting a car, expensive fuel (1.50e a litre) the logistics or finding hotel locations and getting to the clubs. The best things was not being alone at the clubs. Remember your not in the room with a girl all the time, this was actully some of the best memories I had as there's a bonding that goes on within the group over the six day period. Once they guys knew what I was looking for in women they started lining them up for me giving me a ZERO failure rate which to be was worth the price of the tour itself.
Having a fluent guide is also well worth the cost because while I've read posts that "staff speaks enough English" I did not find this accurate and both inside and outside the club having a German speaker came in handy. What we found is some guys don't realize the staff has no idea what their saying and because nothing is said back they assume they understood. It's nice to have a German beer and knowing this I did not want to drive and a good thing because just down the street from one club the police were checking drivers for alcohol which we heard happens all the time. Having a designated driver came in handy and the Cop did NOT speak English as he addressed each of us during the stop.
Hey no problem if you want to go at it alone but it's not fair to assume things and post false info. It was worth it to me and I'll continue to use their services for the small profit they seem to take. What's a decent hotel, rental car, fuel, GPS maps run you plus expert knowlegdge and guidance on top of that.
Just my two cents and opinion that YES taking a tour with an expert made sense to me
I was able to find a special offer on their site which ran me about $200US per day, When comparing costs one must remember you pay them in US dollars so paying $200US is actually about 160 Euros, Knowing that it included Hotel, all my transportation during my stay and detaile info about the clubs, girls, rules and culture. All I had to do was arrive at the FRA airport, exit the plane, collect my luggage and a short 5 minute walk I found my guide and group waiting. Immediately I made some friends with other guys who have obviously have been doing this a while and knew the scene well. I was guided away from the problem women as well explained the Do's and Don'ts.
I was spared, renting a car, expensive fuel (1.50e a litre) the logistics or finding hotel locations and getting to the clubs. The best things was not being alone at the clubs. Remember your not in the room with a girl all the time, this was actully some of the best memories I had as there's a bonding that goes on within the group over the six day period. Once they guys knew what I was looking for in women they started lining them up for me giving me a ZERO failure rate which to be was worth the price of the tour itself.
Having a fluent guide is also well worth the cost because while I've read posts that "staff speaks enough English" I did not find this accurate and both inside and outside the club having a German speaker came in handy. What we found is some guys don't realize the staff has no idea what their saying and because nothing is said back they assume they understood. It's nice to have a German beer and knowing this I did not want to drive and a good thing because just down the street from one club the police were checking drivers for alcohol which we heard happens all the time. Having a designated driver came in handy and the Cop did NOT speak English as he addressed each of us during the stop.
Hey no problem if you want to go at it alone but it's not fair to assume things and post false info. It was worth it to me and I'll continue to use their services for the small profit they seem to take. What's a decent hotel, rental car, fuel, GPS maps run you plus expert knowlegdge and guidance on top of that.
Just my two cents and opinion that YES taking a tour with an expert made sense to me
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I’m kidding, if you notice this poster has been a member here for over 7 years.
Thanks for posting this, I didnt even realize such a service was offered. $200 a day included the hotel room too? How would you rate the hotel? Super 8, Hampton Inn, Marriott or Renaissance?
How many guys were in your group and of that how many were Americans/Canadians?
How many clubs would you visit a day?
How many days did you stay?
Do you wish you would have stayed longer or was the amount you stayed enough?
Which was your favorite club?
Other than the women, what was your favorite feature of one of the clubs?
First off, the group is in no way a bunch of fat old sex travelers, the are mainly upper end business men and professionals, after all who else has the cash to go with a upgraded group, the fat slopes go alone as you can see their the loners you don't want to associate with if that makes sense, plus the weirder they are the more alone they are. OK Don't ya hate it when people ASSUME?
Thanks for posting this, I didnt even realize such a service was offered. $200 a day included the hotel room too? How would you rate the hotel? Super 8, Hampton Inn, Marriott or Renaissance? Basic hotel, modern clean, free wifi AC more towards Red Roof
How many guys were in your group and of that how many were Americans/Canadians?
Almost all American and some Canadians, few Japaneses, some Asians but as stated most are executives an professionals
depending on the month I've gone from 3 to 8 guys with average 5
How many clubs would you visit a day?
They hit one club and have a second back up club if that club guys can't find what they like
How many days did you stay?
I did 6 to start but now do 8-10
Do you wish you would have stayed longer or was the amount you stayed enough?
Takes one day to adjust but the time flies so 6 days is barely enough I would minimum 8 days to get to enjoy it without rushing
Which was your favorite club?
All of them Sharks but it's almost too commercial with lots of operators. I don't want to say my favorite because every TOM, DICK and HARRY with fuck it up for me, sorry. Don't want all those "fat middle aged men looking for love from sex workers" some guys are so worried about screwing up a good thing
Other than the women, what was your favorite feature of one of the clubs?
Safe, decent cost 50e 30 minutes DFK, the food, when you automatically get introduced to all the women by your company your part of a party, it's amazing the way it works
Finally please don't assume something especially if you've never been. I agree some people are better off going alone and you see guys like that wandering around the club. We feel the same we don't want to be associated with some of the fat middle aged men looking for love from sex workers, who do stand out like a sore thumb
Oh and the group travels in unmarked vehicles and does not stand out. The website has photos of the actual girls and interiors of the clubs
COST
Entry ranges from 35 -70 Euros depending on the club
usually high roller guys I met do several hours 100e an hour they get upscale service for doing so
As a normal thin in my 50's average looking guy I look for 2 quality sessions a day and prefer more time than more pops
so I spend 100-150 a session. so 250 - 350 is the average I spend a day
While the law changed your guide will show you how to avoid the Cbj at all the clubs so bbbj is standard
This is a bit off topic but I wonder if countries that have legalized and regulated prostitution (i.e., Germany's FKK clubs) have more or less sex trafficking than countries (like the US) that continue to try to criminalize pay for play sex between consenting adults?
But this is really no different than any other guided vacation. Some people want/need it, others are fine experiencing it on their own. I've traveled both ways, either one can suck but I prefer to to do it on my own.
I'm sure trafficing takes place as it does everywhere and pimps do exist. However from actually meeting so many of these women it appears the business helps more people than it harms. The other thing I noticed was common reason so many get involved. They get knocked up and the man splits leaving them to raise a child alone. No longer saving themselves for true love or marriage they use sex to make a living to support that child, an activity that got them into this financial mess. So many have children which are their motive for working so hard. Having clubs offers everyone involved some protection and safety being in a legal facility. Staff profits from the upkeep as well as the big earners the women.
Are the girls working in FKKs pure German Blond , White , Blue eyes ???
NO, most are not. However you still can find the German blond. Romania has taken over as the new work force in the EU. It's obvious when you visit a club. I was told a decade ago things were a bit different and there were more blond blue eyed women from Germany, Russia and Poland. However that being said there are many Light eyed Romanian women at the clubs some with blue eyes as the result of Romania being invaded over the centuries by so many countries so a Romanian look can be very diverse.
I was once told the problem is not Romanians but "finding the good women among them". Which is true, while many don't offer great service there are some which do. But then that's anywhere this business takes place. There are clubs which management limits the nationalities which can work there. They want customers to have a diversity thus you notice the groups of Pols, Germans Moldovians and Romanians which due to language often group together. "The Most common nationality today is in fact Romanian which often includes Moldovian"
The recent German law changes also included law to make it harder for pimps and criminals to own clubs. Women now have options by which there are support groups and phone numbers to call when approached by pimps or forced to do something they don't freely want to do. So Germany is making an effort to support the women.
While some say the women pay the same price to work at the clubs as men this is not always true. Some women are responsibile for room and board plus taxes which was about 21 euros a day. Lets not forget on days when the customer pays a reduced rate for say Happy hour or discount day the women still pay the normal "Higher rate" so take that into consideration when sharing info.
Hey I did the Mexico border thing for years before I found Germany, its's not bad and I had some great times, the clubs in TJ were nice (nothing compared to Germany) when I was doing it. The escort scene was even better and closer to the Germany experience (with the women not being so attractive as Germany or diverse).
I also did Nevada for years back in the day (A joke to many) because the cost per what you get is not usually worth the effort. If you look into the new age discount airlines like Wow-air etc. I think the Tour website has a page on this you can find much lower airfares.
The airfare is a deciding factor for many because when I figure my pussy per dollar cost that figures in. Like Thailand where it's supposed to be cheaper you deal with high airfares and the worse jet lag on the planet. OK enoguh babbling hope this answered your questions. thanks for listening
Actually I ASSUMED the same, however as stated people are offered the option to upgrade from clean and basic to luxory. The result was after upgrading to a 4-5 star top of the line hotel for an upgrade fee even guys with millions at their disposal opted to go back to the basic. I found this out from talking to some of the other guests.
Rich people don't always want to spend needlessly. The fact is you spend very little time in the room. Are you going to travel 10,000 miles and spend several thousands of dollars to get to Germany to spend most of your time in a room?
I look at it this way, 90% of the time at the hotel I was sleeping, they have free Wifi so the other hour I was in the shower, shiter and checking email etc. Ok for the fat old guys (we all joke about) who only bang once a day and have no interest in watching totally naked women all day I can understand (no I can't :)) prefering a book or a movie after sex. Assuming again :) but the point was it's a waste, the group had this discussion before and voted it out.
However at the onset of this thread a few guys stated something like: "it's not worth it" so this is sort of a odd comment to make now if one is counting your pennies.
REALITY: Your first day on tour you go straight to a club, there you shower, get freshened up, eat, drink and knock off that first blow job. I've found going to the hotel first you pass out and miss a day only to repeat the jet lag the next day. Remember each day counts as another cost) You get back to the hotel around 10-11pm and you pass out. Wake around 8am, usually due to time difference you wake up earlier anyway. Have some coffee and a snack and off to another club. So where's the point to pay for a five star hotel room when a basic one works fine? Just my two cents.
Again there are those who demand to go in blind with no experience but what they read on the internet. Others go to the Harvard school of FKK and get a week of info direct from guys who get their info first hand from management and staff plus decades of expereince who speak the language fluently.
Sort if like the guy who learns a business by trial and error on his own and the guy who goes to a specialized school and learns from experts with hands on experience.
"I know how to pay a prostitue myself" well this is bit different. Yes there are set rates (50e per 30 minutes) however there are pittfalls. Not all the women are honest and some take advantage of obvious newbies. I got mentored and shown the ropes to ensure everything went smoothly and even my first session was a great one. Many blow a few hundred euros on trial and error. There are key things to ask and tactics involved. Just like strip clubs you get burned a few times till you figure it out or someone shows you. This way it's explained before you get started. Women will pull stunts on guys that you can be guaranteed. Add those mistakes to your costs.
I like it when there is no logistical planning to do. Been to a bunch of mongering destinations, both in Asia, Central America and Europe, some on my own, others with a guide. Group tours aren't for everyone, so I'm not going to waste everyone's time trying to convince you one way or the other because it's either good for you or not. For me, the biggest thing is the service level from the girls. I have had some of the best sessions of my life in a German fkk.
The girls vary quite a bit. I'm drawn to black hair, brown eyes and olive skin so the Romanians and Bulgarians are right up my alley. However, I have had some good sessions with Polish and Hungarian girls as well as Latvian, Bosnian and even some Asian girls at the clubs. The shelf life of a working girl (wg) is usually short, maybe 5-6 years. They are from early 20s to early 30s for the most part. Don't pass up an older girl just because. Some of them are the best in the room.
I speak a bit of German and could easily go to a few of the clubs on my own, but the convenience of just getting in a car and talking with the guys en route is more relaxing. A lot of them are willing to provide recommendations if they had a good session and I do the same. That way, we collectively find the best ones and essentially pull a train on her! Over the years, I have developed a list of my favorites and I know that another session with that wg will be great.
Bottom line, I will continue to go at least once a year using the tour and add some days either before or after to do other stuff that I want to do. Here in Tucson, there are a few strip clubs and such but I don't bother because I know I'm not getting laid like I have become accustomed to in Germany. We're talking full on, gfe style sex. If you like daty, it's easy to get. BBBJ? Absolutely. How many positions would you like? She'll do them all. We might stay at a club for 8 hours or more. It never gets boring, especially when I can see 50-75 naked women in broad daylight conditions, strolling or lounging around all day long. Food and drink when I want, sex when I want, chill out for the rest of the time with a lot of eye candy. Hell yeah!
Can't wait for my next flight. Hope this helps you guys out.
Is one of the biggest advantages of taking a tour. FInding friends on the internet is like a box of chocolate, then you're stuck with them. But with the tour you have several to choose from or don't choose at all and be the loner of the bunch. You have options.
I've made a bunch of friends on tour who I communicate with on a regular basis after the trip. We plan and make sure we attend the same tours each year. There's even options to form your own tour with fkktour, pick your clubs, destination or country as well as agend what I want to see with the benefit of a guide to do all the driving, planning and support.
Once had a guy who got sick during the trip so the guide was his support to get to an ER, tranlate (No most people did not speak German at the hospital, it's not a common tourist stop). Took him to get meds and then to the hotel. Now that's serivice. There was another occasion the guide had Anti-biotics for a guy who came down with something, thank god for that. The guide has access to text message directly with several ER doctors and nurses to ask questions and get info. I think some are customers.
Watching the women at the clubs is one of the best things about the FKK Club scene the other is watching the odd balls and newbies who make fools of themselves of which there are plenty. Sadly the internet while it has helped many of us to find other venues it's also attracted the odd balls and weirdos. Even the women will point them out. Remember ther guys who don't have the looks or are just plain strange need love too so the clubs attract them in herds. The walking dead as I call one of them, it's more of a circus at the bigger clubs near the city centers because they're easier to find although not always the best clubs. "Tourist traps". Just because a club is printed on the side of a cab does not mean it's worthy. (The fat old sex travelers don't stand out as much).
Then there are "Sea Monsters" as I learned the terms, the women to watch out for, usually very aggressive but known by the guide to be rip offs or problems. "Land mines". They're not all unattractive either. One thing I noticed in this hobby is the more attractive women usually offer less in terms of service because they don't have to. They get business on looks alone. Thus as the Tucson Guy stated older and less than a 10 women often offer better service because they have to to survive.
Fact is Taxi's make a commission from most of the clubs so they take you or try and convince you to go where they get the biggest kick back. Don't believe me just watch as a new guest gets dropped off and wait, once he pays his entry the taxi driver will come in and hand over his invoice and be given a cash reward. What's it matter? Nothing really because you usually don't pay more. The pitfall is did he take you to a good club?
If yes " women not allowed at Sharks FKK as well as several others unless you got connections" Good luck
So conservatively FKKTOUR is grossing $1,200 per head (likely more if they have a good deal with a local hotel) for driving people around in a van, along of course with the cultural interfacing and pro tips.
But ok, to be fair, they could also argue that one would otherwise need a rental car. A search for FRA brings that cost for the trip at about $200.
Again, idk, but the $1,000 that I would keep in my pocket by doing it myself would cover an awful lot of trial and error, nevermind an upgrade to a better hotel. Now I'm not advocating one way or the other. If some guys find it worthwhile to shell out the extra cash for the convenience and other support services then I say go with God, but I'm not sure I would be so inclined. Not only because of the extra money, but also because I would want the freedom to roam at will instead of being stuck on someone else's time table as well as the ability to control my accommodations.
So, I did the math a long time ago and here is what I believe the true cost is in 2018 of a solo trip per day, given that I am not going to Sharks 8 days in a row. The girls would really think you're nuts for doing that anyway. Figure that most of the good clubs and cheaper prices are away from Frankfurt's tourist trap clubs and more towards Cologne, which is 2.5 hours North.
$1,699 8 Days USDollars
$212 per day
1,390 8 Days in Euros
173 Euros per day
60 euros Hotel
35 euros rental car
20 euros fuel (it's crazy expensive in Europe, about $8/gallon equivalent)
115 per day total Cost, not counting the entry fees/girls
No car insurance
Photo radar fines if you mess up
I figure they make a whopping 58 Euros off you per day, as a first time guest. Wow, expensive? I'm more inclined to think it's a bargain. But again, if you feel better by going diy mode, then go for it.
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I think you're right you're not material to be with a group, plus your math don't add up :) being silly here. Again assuming things and having never been somewhere some people need to give this some thought. I have heard the FKK clubs have a lady boy now and then so you may be in luck. :)
@TravelTime: You just lost all credibility by regurgitating troll nonsense. Small wonder you need to pay an extra $1,000 to other grown men to hold your hand when you pay prostitutes for sex. ;)
Thanks for pointing that out as "Troll Nonsense" Rick. Appears you're liked by many
I don't assume anything when booking and check all rates carefully, everyone considering going to a country you'e never been to, I recommend you do the same. Find out the actual cost not just the cheap leaders
When booking via online websites make sure you click thru to where you to enter your credit car (like hotel rooms) much of the time they add taxes at the last minute which means prices are actually higher. Priceline is famous for that. You see a cheap room but when actually booking they tack on taxes and fees.
Some car rental companies in Germany offer cheap rates but when you arrive you find out you have to buy their expensive (per day) insurance and it's mandatory. Google "Overseas car insurance a minefield for travelers"
April by the way IS NOT a cheap time to travel. Don't forget when prices are quoted in Euros you're going to be paying about 20% more because your dollars are worth less.
I think it's best people take everything written on the internet with a grain of salt as they do. Do your own research, get the exact price, never assume as so many people do.
I like to get my advice from people who have actually been to a place or at least speak the language.
"Honey, kids, meet Earl. We met on my German sex tour. Our tour guide Johan even got us a great deal on a dp with this cute young Slovak!"
So we're back to $1,000 for hand holding and, as jester put it, "comraderie" - lol. Again, cool beans if that's your thing. I'll rarely criticize a grown man for how he spends his own money, but it's just not my thing.
RDugan thanks for doing the ground work for us. I was unable re-create the same numbers you stated, Is it possible to provide the date range, hotel name and rental car company so can use the same calulations you presented. Thanks much appreciated
Here are the dates from the fkktour site
APRIL AND MAY 2018
6 Nights Special Offer Dates
April 22 to April 27 $1599 SAVE $400 USE CODE APRIL6DEAL
April 29 to May 04 $1799 SAVE $200 USE CODE MAY6DEAL
8 Nights Special Offer Dates
April 21 to April 28 $1699 SAVE $500 USE CODE APRIL8DEAL
April 28 to May 05 $1899 SAVE $300 USE CODE MAY8DEAL
I used April 21 to April 28 (8 days)
Per Priceline
Rental car "Mini" $172.89US no insurance included $11 more per day
Rental car "Compact" $194US no insurance included $11 more per day
Hotels near Sharks (walking distance)
Hotel Contel Darmstadt Priceline 89 Euros per night 667E for 8 days $820.34US
The numbers
$194 Rental car 8 days
$88 Car insurance
$150 Fuel estimated
$829 Hotel 8 nights
$1261 Total
$1699
$1261-
$438 profit
They profit $55US dollars a day about 45 Euros a day
Observations
Rental cars
While some may argue rental car insurance I've read several nightmares about German rental companies do force you to use their insurance even if you have a credit car see "scam operated by Dollar/Thrifty/Terstappen"
Fuel
I read is 1.50 a litre 3.78 litre per gallon so fuel is closer to $6 a gallon plus I'm paying that in euros so will incure foriegn fees and the conversion rate.
Distance
It's at least 300km from Sharks to popular clubs north so 600km round trip plus each about 50km -100km a day on top of the round trip
so a minimum of 900km driving
Vehicle size
I doubt a tour van seat will be the size of a micro, mini or compact car so a normal sized vehicle should be used to compare however I used a compact anyway.
Maps or GPS
The micro/Mini cars don't offer GPS that feature usually in upper end cars so you may have to bring a GPS and buy Germany maps so that cost needs to be included. I guess you can use your phone but what about International roaming rates?
Hotels
I noticed the low priced places were often Hostels or had very low review ratings
Unless you plan on going to only one club 8 days calls for several hotels
Conclusion
Even without insurance, bigger car came to the conclusion that the tour company is not getting rich by any standard.
Can anyone think of other costs I did not include here?
I could do the April excursion for the cost I stated - I could have pulled the trigger when I had the numbers up last night. And $150 for gas? Where are you planning on driving to, the Russian border? Even at $6 per gallon, that's just silly, especially in a gas sipping compact. But even if I bought that gas number, the difference would still be dramatic.
Anyway, the FKKTOUR operators will continue to play these silly games all day since this is all too obviously a shill thread. I hope you guys at least have the decency to purchase a banner ad from Founder, seriously now. I'm going to save them the trouble of creating any more first time posting "lurker" profiles - lol - and just let tusclers do their own research. I suspect the seasoned travelers among them will find what I did.
The whole 'first time poster' bit 3 times in a row makes it too obvious about this shill thread. Especially when 'King' made one of the longest posts I've ever seen for a beginner on this site with all kinds of numbers. So a new member would really go through all that effort to show some guys in here why it's worth it to use an FKK tour site vs going on your own?
Yeah, I'll trust Rick's numbers instead. Not like I'm going to Europe anytime soon anyway.
Regardless, if I ever do this in the future, I'll got it alone. I think the money saves could practically cover the flight cost. And the only comraderie I need is having a hot European babe with her lips wrapped around my cock. I'm not traveling 6,000 miles to find new drinking buddies.
No one's reporting you or any crap like that. This is a pretty relaxed forum. We're just wary of folks acting like they're just normal folks but really have a hidden agenda, like selling/promoting something. We get a lot of that on the club review section and it's fucking annoying.
Welp, have fun with your FKK tours!
I've never been to an FKK, but I'm pretty certain I don't need to flush my hard-earned money down the drain just to have someone lead me by the hand to these clubs. I'll go it solo. It's not like this is 1944 Germany were trying to navigate through.