For the drinkers

I don't go to SCs for the booze nor general socialization or to have the equivalent of a strip-club S.O.. - I go for the T&A - never been much of a drinker and these days drink even less b/c of my gout condition - but I can see getting a buzz w/ tits and ass on display is better than just getting a buzz w/o tits and ass.

But yeah - I too find it hard to get excited about SCs most of the time these days - feels like I've been there done that and hard for me to be impressed these days - I assume if I stopped for a while I might get my desire back, who knows - for me SCing has become habitual where I can just pop-in almost any day of the week for negligible $$$ since I go on dayshift (no cover) - so these days most of the time I go to kill some time and something to do if just look at some tits and ass and grope during a few LDs.

I kinda agree with you. I'd say about 75% of the time. I'm not a real drinker but it does add to the experience. Sometimes I just drink water depending on the location and time of night. Fun can be had without alcohol though.

Agree with Papi wholeheartedly.

In this area, the most fun experiences (for me) are alcohol no-extras clubs. I do take an occasional trip to a no-alcohol extras club; I usually don't have as much fun at those clubs, but that has less to do with the lack of alcohol than it does with the fact that the extras clubs aren't that great in this area. Once in a while I get a CF at a no-alcohol extras club, and when that happens, I bring a water bottle with me and fill it with vodka, and the two of us drink it together (and sometimes, her friends come hang out and indulge in my water-vodka also). But the poor value at extras clubs here keeps me from doing this regularly

I will add that on top of enjoying drinking with strippers -- unlike Papi, I love the social aspect -- I will repeat what I've said many times here: buying the stripper a drink is the 2nd best deal in the club (#1 deal is buying her food). Once we decide we're going to do a shot ($4.50, so $13 for two shots plus tip), the amount of time I get: 5-10 minutes waiting for waitress, 5-10 minutes waiting for drink to come, up to 15 minutes post-drinking buzz & flirting. As a practical matter, as much as 30 minutes of her time for $13. And in the low-touch clubs I go to, I actually touch her far more at the table, than I could in a $20 lapdance!

$13: up to 30 minutes of socializing, flirting, and groping (rarely, including digital penetration). And a shot!

-- versus --

$140: 30 minutes (7 lap dances) of incredibly low-touch lap dances, touching thighs and an occasional butt cheek swipe.

I'm glad some of the penny-wise/pound-foolish customers don't buy the girls drinks, though. More for me!

I'm bored with SCs lately and I find myself just watching the television and/or watch the crowds. I'm good for a couple beers but I could do without any and have a comparable experience. Now, a SC with good food is a game changer. I think SCs lose it's luster after you know what to expect and are a person that is able to separate fantasy from reality. LDs just become money I could have spent to get a two good meals. I don't do extras for a lot of reasons but one of the reasons is that I know that money can be spent on something with far more value to me

I'll see a mid 8 to high 8 dancer and appreciate her looks. Once I see the terrible pole work, my eyes start wondering to the television. I have not seen a 9 in a strip club yet and I've seen many different dancers thus far in all sorts of places

I actually find strip clubs more enjoyable without the alcohol. But then, I like the touching part of the experience and alcohol numbs the senses.

Same as Subraman......the 3rd reason to drink......get to know the bartender. He ( if it is a male) is a wealth of information and if you tip him decently he can ...key word can......turn into your wingman as well.

"... I'm glad some of the penny-wise/pound-foolish customers ..."

Hold on junior - hold on one damn minute.

It's not about "saving $$$" - it's about preference and how one best enjoys a visit - one will spend $$$ on what they enjoy and talking to a chick for an hour that one doesn't have much in common with is boring for some PLs, some PLs rather spend that hour, or most of it, getting some good high-mileage dances rather than trying to make a love-connection; and for other PLs the "romantic"/date-like aspect of the interaction it is the ultimate and what they like/look-for/crave..

I do agree that for those that like a dancer to spend a lot fo time w/ them, that buying them a drink or two, or a meal depending on the length of captivity, makes sense.

I like to drink beer. After 5 or 6 beers the strippers become more attractive and I become more hilarious.

-->"Hold on junior - hold on one damn minute.
It's not about "saving $$$" - it's about preference and how one best enjoys a visit - "

Whoa there champ! I agree with you ... I wasn't talking about guys who specifically do not like socializing, for example -- agree it's all about the experience you want for yourself. But a lot of guys start off not buying strippers drinks on principle -- and I get it, you already feel like you're being played for a sucker left and right, so a newbie might feel like he's not going to "fall for" drinks... but, except at clubs where a drink means a $25 no-alcohol "dancer drink", that's where penny-wise/pound-foolish comes in. If you do want to get a lot of front room action (lol, feel like a douche just saying that), drinks are the 2nd best deal in the club, in many clubs.

You low-socialization guys who don't have the intestinal fortitude to follow SJG's system, yeah, sure, no drinks :)

"The majority of my visits to SC are anything but memorable. They suck about 90% of the time."

"I too find it hard to get excited about SCs most of the time these days"

"I kinda agree with you. I'd say about 75% of the time."

"I'm bored with SCs lately"

Well, at least no one's 100% jaded yet.

"length of captivity"

Lol. I wasn't aware that Subraman was actually keeping them captive at his table. What do you use - zip ties?

Now hold on junior dammit. < After I have 2 scotches and start a cigar I usually become brilliant, witty and hilarious and if you don’t believe me you should ask all 14 of the strippers at my table;)

For me, I don’t care one way or another about the booze. I enjoy a drink or two but I don’t need that to enjoy a club. Once in a while the strippers can get pretty amusing when they are lit up at a club that serves alcohol but I also haven’t noticed all that much difference with that.

As for a juice bar, I’m not sitting with them enjoying an alcoholic drink but that doesn’t seem to stop, or even slow, their chemical use. The craziest, drunkest stripper I know would show up hammered at a juice bar and stay that way.

"Well, at least no one's 100% jaded yet."

Not sure how any of those responses can be qualified as "jaded" except for OP. Quality posts though so keep them coming

-->"Lol. I wasn't aware that Subraman was actually keeping them captive at his table. What do you use - zip ties?"

Please, what is this, amateur hour? Fur-lined handcuffs all the way.

I have a source that knows a dancer at Subraman's club - the dancer said Subraman once told her - "bitch - you leave my table and they're gonna find your headless torso in the San Francisco Bay - but go ahead, leave if you want to".

No wonder he's so "persuasive".

Maybe Subraman is the reason Darkblue seems to be having such a tough time with the stripper he is trying to stalk.

In this state you cannot have full nudity and alcohol together.

I think the dry clubs are better because the girls are less likely to have drinking problems. Anyone who NEEDS to drink, has got a problem.

SJG

"$13: up to 30 minutes of socializing, flirting, and groping"

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Her(voice-over): Does this guy ever shut up?

SJG: The vast, vast majority of strippers I"ve met NEED some chemical courage to dance. The one and only difference is, in an alcohol club you indulge with her, whereas in a dry club, she does it in the back with other strippers. Beyond that, as a practical matter, it seems to be far more taxing to be at a dry club (which, in SF, also means all-nude and extras), and if anything I think those girls party even harder, with harder drugs.

not jaded im just being realistic...lolruned said "I don't do extras for a lot of reasons but one of the reasons is that I know that money can be spent on something with far more value to me" i complete agree.. i feel guilty when i blow 150 on dances but wont if i spend that on a bar tap. probably if mileage was higher i woould not care, but the dancer quality will drop off.

im going to change my approach, no more dances, but tip them to sit and talk like subrama. it sounds kinda gay, but gays tend to have money.

LOL I don't tip anyone to sit and talk. As a general rule, the way strippers get money from me is by doing VIPs. No problem if sitting and talking to the girls is the main thing you want, but for me, I don't see the point of paying them to talk. Same reason I draw a hard line on SA -- when there's sex, there's "allowance", but no compensation for get-to-know-you meetings, ever.

Subraman wrote, "The vast, vast majority of strippers I"ve met NEED some chemical courage to dance."

Yes, some dancers have explained that to me exactly that way, that they need to have some kind of a buzz to do the job.

But this is not good, that means that they have not even begun the life long work of learning to live in one's own skin.

Fortunately we do have dry clubs, as you well know, because of the state alcohol law. In my experience it makes for a better grade of girl.

And in both wet and dry clubs, many girls really seem to go for me, and it is all about the verbals, not looks or $.

I believe that a big part of that is simply that I am one of very few talking to them who is not under the influence.

So though I know this is not what is being intended by the law, I think it makes for a better grade of club and dancer.

Tipping them money when they sit and talk does not bother me. Money is how they pay their bills. I want them to be able to pay their bills. But I do not want them to drink.

Sitting and talking is how one moves to front room makeout sessions, and then to waking up with them the next morning.

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"And in the low-touch clubs I go to, I actually touch her far more at the table, than I could in a $20 lapdance!"

That's true in my regular club as well. The $20 2-4-1 table dances done on the floor are strictly no touch, and enforced by the manager and bouncers. OTOH, if you're just sitting with a dancer you can canoodle with her and no-one says a word.

^^^^^^^^^ A VERY SMART MAN PeterEaster!

Next go to front room makeout sessions and taking girls home with you.

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SJG

thanks subra..i just need to draw a hard line in the sand. most of the time strippers dont deliver and they still high count and ask for a tip after you spent about 180 on dances. the time it took me to make 180 to the amount it takes a hoe to take it is not relative, all shes doing is rubbing her body on me for about 20 minutes. it takes me more than 20 minutes to make 180. at least with alcohol it does what it needs to do at a fraction of the price.

Drinking definitely adds to the experience for me, but I don’t need to get buzzed. A couple of mixed drinks is good for me.

I can enjoy the club without, but usually I'll get some drinks to relax and enjoy the show. The alcohol hasn't made any visits any better in my experience, just relaxed me more and made me care less if it was a slow night.

There is an all nude club in the city I SC in and they don't serve alcohol. When I first started SCing this was my club of choice. I had some okay experiences there. After going to other SCs and better experiences with alcohol available, the all nude is my last choice for a strip club visit.

I don't drink, but I only go to see known dancers right now. Not all that interested in spending.money on unknown entities. Haven't been all that interested in going to clubs recently.

If I need something other than hot naked women to.get me going I shouldn't go. But that's just me, whatever people want to do to enjoy themselves is fine with me.

imo booze and sexy women is nice. however i have had to greatly reduce my drinking booze... i enjoy the buzz and rarely experience a hangover... butt the alcohol is killing my kidneys. i’ve been drinking way too much all day and night ever since finding my ‘girl friend’ dead... (i was gone for a month and she was a huge alcoholic)... i was drinking a 1.75 bottle every two days... but i’m backing off now.

Most clubs in my area serve booze - and they are bikini clubs. I have limited experience with no alcohol clubs. I’ve been to a few - and I understand that booze isn’t a requirement to have a good time.

Maybe it’s a fucked up piece of logic - but it’s my view. I’d rather pay for an over priced beer when watching hot girls - than pay for an over priced seltzer.

I haven’t had a drink in a strip club in thirty years. I go for the T&A, the socializing, and the sex.

Here in Louisville, there is only one “dry” club, Deja Vu, and it bites. Hard. There’s also no nudity. Officially.

In Louisville clubs, the standard practice is for the bar to sell “dancer” drinks, which cost $20 and up, and translate into about 15-20 minutes of talk-cuddle time, so it’s not economically feasible to sit for hours like Subraman does.

Most of the clubs aren’t stupid about enforcing any actual time limit on drinks, but the girls will be “encouraged” to move onto another customer if you go too long without paying.

Some clubs, however, take that time limit to extremes. The now defunct Diamonds Cabaret had a bartender would would literally command a girl to get up if I wasn’t buying within less than a minute. Even when I was the only patron in the club.

So, in the busier clubs, if you want to keep a girl at your table, you’re gonna spend a lot of money. You really are better off in many cases spending the $100 or so on a half hour VIP if you want private time.

For me, socializing with some cocktails - for me and the ladies - just makes the whole experience infinitely better. I find juice bar clubs to be depressingly quiet and creepy. Yes we are all there to see T&A, but I'd much rather do it in a place that doesn't consist primarily of a bunch of guys quietly sitting at their tables with death gazes locked on whichever girl is on stage. I have a couple of nude juice bars close by and I have yet to step foot in either of them.

Now my ideal situation is nude with alcohol (full byob or bar service), but I have to travel for those. At home I have to settle for less skin if I want the social bar element. So be it. Less skin onstage has not been impeding my OTC activities, so I can live with the trade-off until I find myself back in full nude/full bar territory.