Using SA to find a HJ/LDK hookup?
PaulDrake
Off again on again PL
Yes I know in advance some of you guys are going to shit on this idea.
But browsing SA there are a ton of girls who have trouble actually bringing themselves to have sex for cash. There has to be a middle ground of girls who want to do less physically and will accept less money.
I hate spending time in the club. I would rather spend the same amount of cash and time on a lunch date.
Even finding a stripper on SA and then arranging a weekly OTC LDK hookup would be awesome.
But browsing SA there are a ton of girls who have trouble actually bringing themselves to have sex for cash. There has to be a middle ground of girls who want to do less physically and will accept less money.
I hate spending time in the club. I would rather spend the same amount of cash and time on a lunch date.
Even finding a stripper on SA and then arranging a weekly OTC LDK hookup would be awesome.
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I'm certain that you can find an attractive stripper who would like to enhance her income from the club by meeting you weekly in a hotel room for a lapgasm, HJ, or BJ. I can't really advise you on how to set that up -- they always suggest OTC to me! Next week I'm meeting an old favorite for dinner (for the second time) and then in my room for what she calls a "private party". I like her so much that I'm not even prenegotiating any particular services and am willing to just go with the flow and see what happens. At some point during this date I will make it known that either the size of her tip or repeated dates in the future depend on how much sexual satisfaction I get.
From what I have gathered it seems like civilians on SA are willing to hookup for less than OTC from a stripper. Which makes sense, strippers deal day to day in a position of power over clueless PLs, many of which may drop $1000 in a champaign room and get next to nothing. Where as the attitude of some civvies on SA is "I was already hooking up for free" so the cash is just a bonus, however many of them are unwilling to cross the line into full blown prostitution.
Do you think a stripper would be willing to go for a $100-150 weekly OTC LDK? I doubt it (unless it is a good established relationship) but I am still a newb so I could be wrong.
Browsing SA I came across a profile which in summary said:
"I am on here to try and get half my rent, I want to kick my exBF out of my apartment, I just don't know if I feel comfortable doing this"
That is the type of person where she is exactly what I am looking for and I am exactly what she is looking for.
Paul, I don't find that to be the case at all. Maybe 1 out of every 15 or 20 profiles I look at has "platonic only"? Overall, not many profiles go platonic only. I do think, though, that the high flake rate is at least partially explained by girls who THINK they are willing to have sex, flaking out at the last second.
I love being at the strip club as an end in itself, so have trouble sympathizing with your "hate the strip club, love the stripper" point of view, but whatever floats your boat.
I will say that if you are willing to settle for a HJ (and I love HJs, so that I do get), both strip clubs and SA are fine places to look for it. In the strip club, make it clear when you ask a stripper OTC, you're fine with just a HJ... as I posted in a previous thread, that sometimes turns "No, I don't do OTC" into yes for me. On SA, you can't be too explicit but you can say something like, "while I'm not interested in platonic-only, I am satisfied with minimal intimacy and am a great choice for beginners" (okay, that sounds corny, but you see the wording -- not explicit but gets the point across).
Funniest shit was a few messages from 20 something’s asking what exactly do I mean by FWB. LOL
twentyfive--some of what happens with SA has to do with the site software as well. When you first put up a profile on the site if you notice you get more hits.....same with the last 3 days of your paid membership........a few of the guys I network with on another board have all noticed the same thing.......the general consensus is the site is promoting your profile to entice you to become a paid member.
Yes, there are definitely some who think YOUR benefit is just getting to be in their presence, and the giddy hope that if you take them on enough paid platonic dates the girl will eventually be comfortable enough to then do intimate dates at twice the price.
For the OP:
Most clubs do not let girls just "drop in" to work, so they are faced with "whole shift" or "no shift". So, if you want a stripper to OTC at a time she would normally be working, she is going to want money close to her typical shift take home. In my variation of TheSystem, I befriend the 2nd tier dancers - still attractive to me, but not the most popular. If I exchange numbers, they will eventually complain about how little they are making as part of their attempts to get me to come see them. So, if one says "I only made $X last Sunday, come see me this Sunday" I'll counter with "come play with me on Sunday and I'll give you $X plus 100" (assuming that's a number I'm happy with). It's guaranteed money and easier work than a whole shift at the club.
If you're hoping to pay less than she would get on a whole shift, then you have to convince her to OTC on a day off, and it's unlikely she would do that for HJ/LDK money.
Your best bet for an affordable HJ/LDK OTC with a stripper would be to find a dayshift girl who will see you on her way home after leaving the club, or a night shift girl who will see you before work. Then, your OTC price offer can be whatever her "take home" would have been from whatever you would have to spend to get the HJ/LDK from her ITC.
If you are hoping to find an SA girl that will take a lower PPM (pay per meet allowance) because you only want a HJ, it will take some work but probably isn't impossible. If you can TRULY commit to an arrangement that would be once a week, say $150 each time (depending on your area), not a huge time commitment (for example, you won't expect her to spend 3-5 hours going to dinner first, drinks, a movie, etc), that's a pretty easy $600 a month for her. She would still have plenty of time for another more traditional SD to meet other financial needs. Sometimes the predictable lower income can be more attractive than, say, a $500PPM offer from a guy that ends up only meeting once per month when he originally said once per week.
Just keep in mind: SA is not an UberEats for sex. You can't just order up exactly what you want and expect to get it right away (despite what Juice would have us believe, although he is offering $500 PPM). In your case, start out by filtering for Minimal lifestyle (yes, girls who list Negotiable or Practical and higher might take lower amounts, but you might as well start with the ones in the range you are looking for). Then, sort by Recently Active - a girl like the one you want will likely be OK seeing multiple SDs, so she will be active on the site constantly making new contacts.
25, I've found that 95% of the time, women who contact me first are exactly as you say -- escorts and fake profiles, most often. I don't have any problem with escorts -- assuming they were telling the truth, several of the guys here on tuscl use SA basically as a more expensive backpage (though frankly, I don't think either of the two well-known guys here who were using that model, were doing anything but writing fiction). Just not what I'm looking for.
-->"So when I revised my profile I made sure that I put in the about me only interested in a FWB relationship.
Funniest shit was a few messages from 20 something’s asking what exactly do I mean by FWB. LOL"
Heh, did you get a sense of what they were either intrigued by, or worried about? Was it that they were hoping that FWB implied no intimacy? Or were they worried that FWB implied no allowance?
My own profile strategy is to absolutely maximize my chances of getting attention from the women I'm interested in -- I do not do anything to discourage the women I'm not, I simply ignore them.
My thoughts were the younger ones are mostly looking for a daddy to take care of their expenses and I did find a lot of delusional women either trying too hard to impress me, or just immature with an abundance of GPS.
joc, a lot of really good advice in your post... I think the one place I'd disagree is your advice to stick with Minimal girls. When I first started, the more experienced SDs who were coaching me along told me to ignore the lifestyle requests ... when I eventually listened, I found out they were 100% correct. I'm basically offering Minimal+, and I've found I'm just as likely to find someone to take my offer who is listed at Substantial ($10,000/month lifestyle expectation) as one who is listed as Practical. In short, many of the girls are throwing out wishful thinking numbers but will take $300/date, and there's just as many of those who are listing themselves as Substantial or Moderate girls, are there are Negotiable girls. The Lifestyle Expectation is meaningless and you do yourself a disservice by not exploring them all -- I advise not filtering at all. The one concession I do when I first contact High/Substantial/Moderate girls is that at the end of my very first email, I tell them I cannot meet their >$10,000/$5,000 request, but I'm interested and they should write back if they have some flexibility on that.
By contrast, the Minimal tier is relatively more filled with scammers. No matter what you are offering, if you were going to filter out based on lifestyle expectation, it's Minimal that I would ALWAYS filter out -- you will find takers for all allowance levels, at all other lifestyle expectation levels.
All, of course, based on my local geography, which a few people here suspect might be different than many others
Strip-clubs are not everyone's niche - some hardcore sex-guys prefer escorts and see SCs as a waste of time - and if one wants more of an intimate GFE type experience, then perhaps the sugar-baby route is a better niche for them than strip-clubs.
In certain mid-tier clubs in certain cities, $150 is kinda near the going-rate for what a girl gets for VIP - thus $150 on her day-off for an hour OTC may be attractive to certain strippers as extra-cash - IDK much about SA but I would think not many girls would be interested in $100 to $150 per meet especially if it requires you nutting - plus how many SA girls would be good at, or willing to, give LDK inducing dances.
Is it worth it to mention upfront that "I am looking to provide an allowance more in line with a nice car payment instead of a rent payment". Or is that something to mention over private message? Or in person? It seems like being up front about it would save a lot of time and weed out those obviously not interested.
I think it must be my location (deep in the bible belt) but I see numerous ads which might be perfect. There was one that basically say "I am not open to sex but we can do other stuff".
Just as there are guys on here who for fear of STDs or moral reasons want to refrain from sex there HAS to be girls out there looking for the same thing.
I know this idea is crazy. If nothing else it might be a fun experiment. My personality is one where I am always trying to work my way around established systems.
I didn't say "stick with" I said "start with", and I think that's more valid knowing OP is in the Bible belt (different geography than yours). I have actually converted my thinking to yours, and have been bookmarking (via favorites) several to try out next time I'm in the market. Who knows how long that will be though, cause current SB is holding my interest very well. We have a nice little private Super Bowl party planned for tomorrow. :-)
OP: go for it! Be patient, be careful, don't assume sex (or in your case HJ) will happen on first date. And, btw, most won't have any idea what an LDK is so you'd get the chance to teach them that (see: be patient).
I have had some frustration with clubs but some of that could be improved by just being smarter when I go.