Using SA to find a HJ/LDK hookup?

Some SCers hit the clubs just to find OTC and once they have a regular OTC stripper or two they stop hitting the club

Following up on what Papi_Chulo said, I used to hit the clubs twice a week just for lapgasms. Then I discovered extras in 2013 and OTC at the end of 2015 and started using my club visits to scout out OTC prospects (while waiting, in general, for them to ask me). It has reached the point that in the first month of this year I've gone to a strip club exactly once (and had a lapgasm) but have had six OTC dates with four different strippers. Two were for dinner only -- getting-to-know-you sessions at no cost beyond dinner -- but the other four resulted in BBBJs in a hotel room.

I'm certain that you can find an attractive stripper who would like to enhance her income from the club by meeting you weekly in a hotel room for a lapgasm, HJ, or BJ. I can't really advise you on how to set that up -- they always suggest OTC to me! Next week I'm meeting an old favorite for dinner (for the second time) and then in my room for what she calls a "private party". I like her so much that I'm not even prenegotiating any particular services and am willing to just go with the flow and see what happens. At some point during this date I will make it known that either the size of her tip or repeated dates in the future depend on how much sexual satisfaction I get.

Great point.

From what I have gathered it seems like civilians on SA are willing to hookup for less than OTC from a stripper. Which makes sense, strippers deal day to day in a position of power over clueless PLs, many of which may drop $1000 in a champaign room and get next to nothing. Where as the attitude of some civvies on SA is "I was already hooking up for free" so the cash is just a bonus, however many of them are unwilling to cross the line into full blown prostitution.

Do you think a stripper would be willing to go for a $100-150 weekly OTC LDK? I doubt it (unless it is a good established relationship) but I am still a newb so I could be wrong.

Browsing SA I came across a profile which in summary said: "I am on here to try and get half my rent, I want to kick my exBF out of my apartment, I just don't know if I feel comfortable doing this" That is the type of person where she is exactly what I am looking for and I am exactly what she is looking for.

-->"But browsing SA there are a ton of girls who have trouble actually bringing themselves to have sex for cash"

Paul, I don't find that to be the case at all. Maybe 1 out of every 15 or 20 profiles I look at has "platonic only"? Overall, not many profiles go platonic only. I do think, though, that the high flake rate is at least partially explained by girls who THINK they are willing to have sex, flaking out at the last second.

I love being at the strip club as an end in itself, so have trouble sympathizing with your "hate the strip club, love the stripper" point of view, but whatever floats your boat.

I will say that if you are willing to settle for a HJ (and I love HJs, so that I do get), both strip clubs and SA are fine places to look for it. In the strip club, make it clear when you ask a stripper OTC, you're fine with just a HJ... as I posted in a previous thread, that sometimes turns "No, I don't do OTC" into yes for me. On SA, you can't be too explicit but you can say something like, "while I'm not interested in platonic-only, I am satisfied with minimal intimacy and am a great choice for beginners" (okay, that sounds corny, but you see the wording -- not explicit but gets the point across).

SA?

@subraman When I originally went on SA I received a ton of messages from woman that wanted to meet up, some of those were just hookers and a few were just looking for quick cash w/o any intention of being intimate. So when I revised my profile I made sure that I put in the about me only interested in a FWB relationship. Funniest shit was a few messages from 20 something’s asking what exactly do I mean by FWB. LOL

SA = Seeking Arrangements website. For sugar daddy/momma/baby link ups. @twentyfive, what do the 20 somethings think about FWB?

I don't know what they think about it, what I was referencing was the messages that appeared to be asking me what do I mean by FWB. Sort of implying I'd be their freind and benefit them with cash, even had a few ask me for cash via text prior to a meet-up.

The girls on SA don't like the idea of admitting they have sex for cash but I haven't found a ton that don't as long as you don't come off to aggressive.......I feel the biggest difference between dating on SA and going complete civi is letting them set the pace.....and not expecting anything on the first meet. Maybe my experiences have been different than some/many but I've found if they come to the idea on their own they want to be your SB they will.

Should have read Subraman's comments first........I feel he has a good handle on SA.

twentyfive--some of what happens with SA has to do with the site software as well. When you first put up a profile on the site if you notice you get more hits.....same with the last 3 days of your paid membership........a few of the guys I network with on another board have all noticed the same thing.......the general consensus is the site is promoting your profile to entice you to become a paid member.

I agree with you @Warrenbiy one thing I have found is a profile is good for two to three weeks then it’s best to take it down for a while like a few months before going fishing again. The fresher a profile appears the better the quality the responses are.

@25 "Funniest shit was a few messages from 20 something’s asking what exactly do I mean by FWB. LOL"

Yes, there are definitely some who think YOUR benefit is just getting to be in their presence, and the giddy hope that if you take them on enough paid platonic dates the girl will eventually be comfortable enough to then do intimate dates at twice the price.

For the OP: Most clubs do not let girls just "drop in" to work, so they are faced with "whole shift" or "no shift". So, if you want a stripper to OTC at a time she would normally be working, she is going to want money close to her typical shift take home. In my variation of TheSystem, I befriend the 2nd tier dancers - still attractive to me, but not the most popular. If I exchange numbers, they will eventually complain about how little they are making as part of their attempts to get me to come see them. So, if one says "I only made $X last Sunday, come see me this Sunday" I'll counter with "come play with me on Sunday and I'll give you $X plus 100" (assuming that's a number I'm happy with). It's guaranteed money and easier work than a whole shift at the club.

If you're hoping to pay less than she would get on a whole shift, then you have to convince her to OTC on a day off, and it's unlikely she would do that for HJ/LDK money.

Your best bet for an affordable HJ/LDK OTC with a stripper would be to find a dayshift girl who will see you on her way home after leaving the club, or a night shift girl who will see you before work. Then, your OTC price offer can be whatever her "take home" would have been from whatever you would have to spend to get the HJ/LDK from her ITC.

If you are hoping to find an SA girl that will take a lower PPM (pay per meet allowance) because you only want a HJ, it will take some work but probably isn't impossible. If you can TRULY commit to an arrangement that would be once a week, say $150 each time (depending on your area), not a huge time commitment (for example, you won't expect her to spend 3-5 hours going to dinner first, drinks, a movie, etc), that's a pretty easy $600 a month for her. She would still have plenty of time for another more traditional SD to meet other financial needs. Sometimes the predictable lower income can be more attractive than, say, a $500PPM offer from a guy that ends up only meeting once per month when he originally said once per week.

Just keep in mind: SA is not an UberEats for sex. You can't just order up exactly what you want and expect to get it right away (despite what Juice would have us believe, although he is offering $500 PPM). In your case, start out by filtering for Minimal lifestyle (yes, girls who list Negotiable or Practical and higher might take lower amounts, but you might as well start with the ones in the range you are looking for). Then, sort by Recently Active - a girl like the one you want will likely be OK seeing multiple SDs, so she will be active on the site constantly making new contacts.

-->"When I originally went on SA I received a ton of messages from woman that wanted to meet up, some of those were just hookers and a few were just looking for quick cash w/o any intention of being intimate."

25, I've found that 95% of the time, women who contact me first are exactly as you say -- escorts and fake profiles, most often. I don't have any problem with escorts -- assuming they were telling the truth, several of the guys here on tuscl use SA basically as a more expensive backpage (though frankly, I don't think either of the two well-known guys here who were using that model, were doing anything but writing fiction). Just not what I'm looking for.

-->"So when I revised my profile I made sure that I put in the about me only interested in a FWB relationship. Funniest shit was a few messages from 20 something’s asking what exactly do I mean by FWB. LOL"

Heh, did you get a sense of what they were either intrigued by, or worried about? Was it that they were hoping that FWB implied no intimacy? Or were they worried that FWB implied no allowance?

My own profile strategy is to absolutely maximize my chances of getting attention from the women I'm interested in -- I do not do anything to discourage the women I'm not, I simply ignore them.

@Subraman I got so many messages from woman that were not my taste I mostly like women that are between 27 & 37 the younger ones just turn me off I stopped responding to many of them. Quite a few just sent a phone number some times with a real first name I figured those to be straight up hookers and that type doesn’t do it for me. If the dozen or so that I replied to I met with five 2 of them were much too young 2 were great with looks to rival any stripper I have met and one was obese and I left Dunkin Donuts without even talking to her I spent a few nights with a light skinned black girl because she was both beautiful and fun to hang out with the other wanted stupid money I mean like pay her rent and tuition, along with utilities. I have no regrets about it seeming her about 3 times a month she hasn’t really asked me for more than a couple of bucks I mean less than $200. on only one occasion I have taken her shopping twice and brought her some nice things once in Nordstrom’s and once to Victoria’s Secret , she is a Nurse Administrator at a major hospital in the area and I continue to enjoy her company she likes to do many of the same things I do including an occasional visit to a strip club and I’ll take a Wednesday or Thursday afternoon lunch with her in addition to our “dates”. My thoughts were the younger ones are mostly looking for a daddy to take care of their expenses and I did find a lot of delusional women either trying too hard to impress me, or just immature with an abundance of GPS.

-->" In your case, start out by filtering for Minimal lifestyle (yes, girls who list Negotiable or Practical and higher might take lower amounts, but you might as well start with the ones in the range you are looking for). "

joc, a lot of really good advice in your post... I think the one place I'd disagree is your advice to stick with Minimal girls. When I first started, the more experienced SDs who were coaching me along told me to ignore the lifestyle requests ... when I eventually listened, I found out they were 100% correct. I'm basically offering Minimal+, and I've found I'm just as likely to find someone to take my offer who is listed at Substantial ($10,000/month lifestyle expectation) as one who is listed as Practical. In short, many of the girls are throwing out wishful thinking numbers but will take $300/date, and there's just as many of those who are listing themselves as Substantial or Moderate girls, are there are Negotiable girls. The Lifestyle Expectation is meaningless and you do yourself a disservice by not exploring them all -- I advise not filtering at all. The one concession I do when I first contact High/Substantial/Moderate girls is that at the end of my very first email, I tell them I cannot meet their >$10,000/$5,000 request, but I'm interested and they should write back if they have some flexibility on that.

By contrast, the Minimal tier is relatively more filled with scammers. No matter what you are offering, if you were going to filter out based on lifestyle expectation, it's Minimal that I would ALWAYS filter out -- you will find takers for all allowance levels, at all other lifestyle expectation levels.

All, of course, based on my local geography, which a few people here suspect might be different than many others

"... I hate spending time in the club ..."

Strip-clubs are not everyone's niche - some hardcore sex-guys prefer escorts and see SCs as a waste of time - and if one wants more of an intimate GFE type experience, then perhaps the sugar-baby route is a better niche for them than strip-clubs.

"... Do you think a stripper would be willing to go for a $100-150 weekly OTC LDK ..."

In certain mid-tier clubs in certain cities, $150 is kinda near the going-rate for what a girl gets for VIP - thus $150 on her day-off for an hour OTC may be attractive to certain strippers as extra-cash - IDK much about SA but I would think not many girls would be interested in $100 to $150 per meet especially if it requires you nutting - plus how many SA girls would be good at, or willing to, give LDK inducing dances.

Subraman - Awesome suggestion on the wording.

Is it worth it to mention upfront that "I am looking to provide an allowance more in line with a nice car payment instead of a rent payment". Or is that something to mention over private message? Or in person? It seems like being up front about it would save a lot of time and weed out those obviously not interested.

I think it must be my location (deep in the bible belt) but I see numerous ads which might be perfect. There was one that basically say "I am not open to sex but we can do other stuff".

Just as there are guys on here who for fear of STDs or moral reasons want to refrain from sex there HAS to be girls out there looking for the same thing.

I know this idea is crazy. If nothing else it might be a fun experiment. My personality is one where I am always trying to work my way around established systems.

@Subraman "is your advice to stick with Minimal girls"

I didn't say "stick with" I said "start with", and I think that's more valid knowing OP is in the Bible belt (different geography than yours). I have actually converted my thinking to yours, and have been bookmarking (via favorites) several to try out next time I'm in the market. Who knows how long that will be though, cause current SB is holding my interest very well. We have a nice little private Super Bowl party planned for tomorrow. :-)

OP: go for it! Be patient, be careful, don't assume sex (or in your case HJ) will happen on first date. And, btw, most won't have any idea what an LDK is so you'd get the chance to teach them that (see: be patient).

After some self examination I have decided it is best to take the advice of pretty much everyone and stick to strip clubs. It will save me some money. It is also way easier to stick to my physical intimacy limits.

I have had some frustration with clubs but some of that could be improved by just being smarter when I go.

The world-wide-web offers limitless possibilities - i.e. plenty of girls on SA - doesn't mean you can't find what you're looking-for, it's just that perhaps it may not be as easy, and less-guaranteed, than strip-clubs - you won't know unless you try and it may work out for you as it has for others.

Per your reviews, you club in Dallas which is not exactly a hotbed of extras, but doesn't mean that OTC is necessarily much-harder than in other areas - and it could be the SA action could be pretty-good in Dallas "in the context" of strippers that can't do much ITC-extras and may resort to SA - not a hard-fact, just a thought.