Has there been a shift in stripper attitudes on sex?

I would agree with you. Guess we can thank Wild Bill Clinton for convincing America that a BJ is not sex !!!!!

I’ve never seen a bj as sex. I think bc I was scared to have sex as a teenager, so I’d give my boyfriend blow jobs to keep him happy. I think the term “sex” is more clinical, and young ppl just use more clinical terms now. Lots of girls say vagina and pussy, and it’s no big deal. As a teenager, saying ‘vagina,’ was super goofy and embarrassing, and only guys said “pussy,” and “dick.”

Definitely a big shift used to be you would need to hint around what would be available now many of these younger girls are just plain propositioning us more often than not.

Being in my eighth decade on this earth, I've got a different perspective on these activities. In the late 1990's I called an escort service for the first time. I was in Savannah and I called from my hotel room. The girl called me back, got to my room in 1/2 hour, asked to see my license, checked that I had a suitcase, then asked what I wanted. I said "oral" & she smiled and replied, "Oh, just a blowjob? No problem. I was recently voted best blowjob in Savannah by the Savannah Police Dept."
She didn't even mention a condom (which surprised me) and I popped in about 45 seconds. She was a spitter, not a swallower.
When I was in HS (late 50's & early 60's), sex was taboo by HS kids. A childhood friend got knocked up & it was a scandal. Both had to quit school & get married. In college sex was more prevalent but talk with women was limited to "down there" and porn was seen on grainy 16 mm films for guys only ( in my experience). A good friend's GF got pregnant and she had an abortion (illegal) by a nurse for $300 (tuition was $100 per semester at a state college).
Over the past decade I've been amazed at women talking openly about their pussy, "only" giving a guy a BJ, watching porn with a BF or even in a group.
I personally think that the proliferation and ease of finding porn has been a major factor in allowing women to enjoy the freedom of talking openly about their bodies and enjoying sex without the guilt and shame which was there.

@Bj99
There probably are still a lot of girls that don't consider BJs sex. You can do it with all of your clothes on and kind of justify it as a weird type of kissing. Heck, i bet most guys don't consider DATY sex. They're probably definitely not going to say that they had sex after doing just that. The difference is that almost all guys want the BJ (especially if they're also DATY) and most girls are definitely a lot better at giving BJs than most guys are at DATY. Also a decent number of girls aren't very comfortable receiving DATY for whatever reason. So from the receiver's perspective, especially the guy, it probably feels more like sex and good sex. Actually, girls are probably more likely to get off from oral than just fucking/sex (no extra manual stimulation or toys) so DATY might be better for some of them...

Totally agree with you Huntsman

‘i have not had sex with that woman.’ -pres bill.
i like his definition.
and gawker... in the sixties it was pretty much the same in my growing years in the socal suburb where i grew up. shit. i didn’t even see a porn flick until the seventies when i was in the navy.

Sorry, but I will always consider bjs as sex.

I’ve had many a stripper tell me they won’t fuck because the don’t want to be cheating on their husband or boyfriend.

But these same strippers have no problem putting their mouth and tongue on a guy’s cock and performing what is almost universally (except in the bizzaro world of strip clubs) considered a “sex act.” But they will swear up and down that they don’t have “sex” with customers in the vip.

Yeah. Right. Whatever you want to tell yourself to justify it in your own mind girl.

It's definitely generational. Say what you want about millenials, but they grew up in a post-Clinton/Lewinsky, internet pornification era. Even the kids "saving themselves" for marriage typically only count PIV as sex - BJs are often seen as a way of staying a virgin. I also wonder if the competition from internet porn, chatrooms, etc, has made club dancers more open to things you can only do in person, like HJ/BJ. Go to a club just to see a naked chick? Man, there's mega-HD streaming extreme close up available at the click of a mouse.

Times change as we all know and we become "less traditional" w/ time; e.g. gay-rights/same-sex-marriage, etc.

The internet was a big game-changer in all-parts of our society including sex - all of a sudden porn was readily available and often free (no more going into a store, going inside the naughty-room, having to go up to the clerk w/ the box in your hand w/ the naughty images on the cover while others may be standing in line; and having to hide the tape from anyone at home) - so porn/sex has become desensitized to a larger extent (not as big a deal and probably way more young people including women are easily exposed to porn these days via the the simple swipe of their smartphone),

P4P has also become "more mainstream" due to the internet - where a girl can post an ad quickly/in-seconds, and cheaply, on a board (e.g. Backpage, etc) and make some quick $$$ w/o having to stand in a corner (custies come-to-her/contact-her w/o her having to go look for them by standing in a street-corner in an often bad neighborhood) - young girls that have become more desensitized may not see it as that big a deal (i.e. sex is more common among young people thus why fuck guys her own age for free where she can get paid and have $$$ for clothes, hair, the latest/best cell ph, etc) - so yeah, it seems sex, even P4P (sugar-babying, etc), seems less taboo than in generations past and it appears to the internet may have accelerated things via plentiful free-porn, escort-sites galore, sugar-babying, camming, etc).

Mileage is also a lot higher in certain areas these days - in clubs where extras occur it's kinda not an even playing field and dancers realize it's much harder to make big-$$$ if they don't do any extras in a club where there are girls that do them.

A CBJ is often an easy way for them to make extras-type $$$ w/o having to fuck per se - and IMO w/ a CBJ she's really just sucking more on a condom than the actual dick - so it may not be as big a deal for them to do a CBJ vs BBBJ or CFS.

"... First, even the most hard boiled seem to refer to “fucking” as “sex” ..."

In the black-dives I hit they use the term "fuck" more than "sex" (e.g. dancer says "you wanna go fuck in VIP") - so it may be contingent on the type of club (dive vs upscale).

And IME, black dancers that do extras will fuck you a lot more readily than give you head.

i’ve enjoyed bbfs with some that consider a bj (and sometimes a cbj) as over the line. too ‘personal’ one told me. i scratch my head...

Back in the day there weren't even champagne rooms. Clubs are like weed; just fucking way better than the 70's version.

@ BJ...

Would your BF consider you giving another guy a BJ as having sex? as cheating?

What would you consider it to be if he went down on another girl?

Just bc it’s cheating, doesn’t make it sex. And for some couples, sex doesn’t make it cheating.

^ I'm not judging or disputing what you said, my question was purely out of genuine curiosity.

I'm from a different generation. I have always thought or oral as sex. I never really thought about what would constitute "sex", but I guess I looked at it as an attempt to either get off or get someone else off by physical stimulation. Yeah, old-fashioned.

Cheating... I look at that as being kinda like harrassment. If someone feels that someone's actions constitutes being cheated on, they were cheated on. Something as innocent as flirting or ogling could be considered cheating by many.

Yeah. I agree. I just don’t see oral as “sex,” and I never have. I just consider the term to be specific to vaginal sex for women, and anal for gay men. I don’t even know if I’d call anal “sex,” for a woman. I feel like it has to be called “anal”.

Yes, I agree that if someone says they had sex it means that they had intercourse. I guess I mean that the others are sex acts.

Well yeah. If you say “sex act,” then that includes all of the above, and more.

If a teacher is arrested for a “sex act,” with a student, I actually assume it was something other than vaginal sex.

I guess what I'm getting at is that I consider these other sex acts as equally intimate as intercourse and not a less meaningful.

Kinda like if someone is charged with murder, they might get convicted of manslaughter as a lesser included offense.
I don't look at a blowjob as a lesser act.

Hmm. I do, but you aren’t the first person I’ve heard that from. I consider oral to be way less intimate.

^ I agree. I think the risk of pregnancy, and more std risk, is a lot of it. Plus, sex gets added to your ‘number,’ but “sex acts” don’t.

^ Like I said before, I'm from a different generation and am admittedly old fashioned. I think a lot of how we consider things depends upon the environment in which we grew up.

Personally, if I would perform oral I'd be equally as willing to have sex.

Yeah, I kinda thought that after I posted it.

Idk I’m from a younger generation and definitely would consider all of it sex. Not sure it’s a generational thing so much as it might be related to your personal upbringing

If the dick isn’t in the pussy or ass, then it isn’t sex. Blowjob is foreplay.