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twentyfive
Living well and enjoying my retirement
I know the Super Bowl is coming up but did anyone notice that LeBron James is a new member of the 30,000 point club I think he is the youngest to reach that milestone IMHO that alone should qualify him for inclusion in the discussion in the G.O.A.T. discussion.
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LeBron = GOAT
The continued performance over time will make a stronger case for him.
MJ was and is all about himself
LeBron distributes the ball and helps make his teammates better.
LeBron is GOAT
Best athletes ever are Brady, Gretzky, Lemieux, Bobby Orr, Koufax with Kershaw on his heels, Ted Williams, Federer & Michael Schumacher.
Lebron is human filth and it is a fact that he has only won titles with forming aforementioned super teams that decimate competitive balance. He has NEVER carried a team on his back like Steph Curry or Nowitzki has. Jordan was and is a douchebag, but he was so much better than Lefraud it isn't even funny.
Also, if I were a Nazi, Sandy Koufax sure as hell wouldn't have made my list. And in naming hockey players, there wasn't exactly a huge pool of black guys to draw up. Grant Fuhr was awesome, but not in the discussion.
He’s a great player - a HOF player - but he’s not the GOAT (yet)...
It's not opinion, it's fact.
Time will tell the true story...
Your list of greats is severely lacking. Boxing Muhamed Ali, Golf Tiger Woods, in baseball you are neglecting tons of athletes for Sandy Koufax that’s laughable he only played a few seasons how about Jim Brown Football, I agree Brady deserves mention but you are just talking to hear the sound of your own voice. There are many that deserve such consideration, but prefacing your comments of this subject with slurs makes you irrelevant at best.
Jim Brown
Michael Jordan
Babe Ruth
Wayne Gretsky
Jack Nicklaus
Roger Federer
Michael Phelps
Usain Bolt
Remember before James was in the NBA there was a question about a vehicle he was given "by his mother"? A big ol' SUV. Some paper supposedly stated that Labron's mother gave him a Hummer.
That would be 2 pts for every assist and 1 for every rebound and steal (assuming an avg of 1 pt per possession which is actually low).
You keep picking LeBron over MJ b/c you're a racist - it's easy to see
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He is.
It's fact.
On all other levels, not so great. Anyone who think he has a GOAT level of making his teammates better is on another planet. He has played de facto head coach and GM of his teams and continues to make them worse. Ray Allen's clutch 3 pointer when he was on the Heat and 2016's Curry foul out and Draymond Green suspension are the reasons why he has three rings instead of one. He has gotten multiple coaches fired. He makes teammates beg to leave his team (Kyrie comes to mind, and look how great he and his team are doing now). There is always constant drama surrounding Lebron's when things are chaotic (which is often), like the most recent attack on Kevin Love for missing a game due to being sick. Every trade, signing, and even draft choice is heavily weighted on what Lebron wants and he is still unable to construct a contending team even when he spent the off season acquiring more all-star caliber players. If something goes wrong, he blames other people when he is the reason everyone on his team is on his team. He is also the reason they leave when they do. In my mind, he will never reach the level of people like MJ or Wilt Chamberlain. We can throw in Gretzsky, Phelps, Bolt, and not to mention Serena Williams, the best female athlete ever.
Lebron may have entered the 30,000+ club (so will KD and several other current players) but I wouldn't expect much more from him --- he finished January with the worst plus/minus levels of his career. It looks like if he doesn't get his team together, the Celtics will beat them in the ECF. Retiring with 3 rings and 5+ finals losses does not earn the title of GOAT in my book, especially when in nearly the last decade, he's been playing on teams stacked with talent.
LeBron = GOAT
Of course they do! They win by w TDs.
Even funnier seeing twentyfive change the topic of his own post to divert from my well-explained argument.
Haha.
As far as changing the conversation that was what was on my mind so I posted
I don't know how it can be 'too early to tell' when the guy has been in the league since 2003. And again, I'll reference last month where he had his worst +/- stat of his career, an indication that we can't really expect him to suddenly just get even better.
He will most likely not win another championship with the Cavs. I think he might be planning on leaving and heading out west after this season if the Cavs don't miraculously get their shit together because right now, the Celtics are looking like the EC champs and they don't even have one of their key players they acquired during the off-season (Haywarth). When he comes back from his injury they'll be an even bigger problem for the Cavs. Then you have the obvious best team in the league with the Warriors, plus Houston who the Cavs wouldn't win a series against if Houston is healthy. The Cavs, right now, are not looking like contenders to win a championship or even beat the Celtics in the ECF.
The Warriors will probably win the next 3 or so NBA championships, and if they lose to anybody it would be a healthy Houston or a healthy San Antonio in the west, or a healthy Boston in the east. LBJ will have to leave the Cavs (again) to win a championship.