Need a little advice or maybe a reality check

"A fool and his money are soon parted".

Trust is a big factor in any monthly arrangement. I am talking two types of trust...1. Trust she is not going to angle you and not deliver as promised.. .2. Trust that while she may have good intentions she is a disaster and fails to deliver due to her life chaos.

You can get good value in these types of arrangements if trust is there. She also makes a predictable reliable income which works for her so they can be great for everyone in my experience.

But I would question if she would even be open to that based on her jacking up her price for one session of OTC. This may be just supply and demand if she has others willing to pay and unless there is some more utility to your relationship vs. others (i.e. like you both enjoy each others company and time).

Give it a go and see what she says

Your money, so it’s ultimately your choice.

I like the idea of “hey I’ll give you 1k a month if I meet you 1 or 3 times regardless” but you know it’s likely she may be hard to set up an appointment with her after the initial monthly meeting.

Another angle is saying “hey I can fuck 4 girls for that price, it’s simply too much money,” opening up re-negotiations. Yeah, you can afford it, you know that and apparently she knows that too, but just because you CAN afford it doesn’t mean you should be paying that much for it.

This is much easier decision for us -- a bunch of guys who are not enamored if not slightly in love with her -- than for you :) Having played in the SD/SB, I actually think it's a brilliant strategy (since I use it myself! LOL... it works outstandingly well) to change the dynamics and thinking from "whore getting paid for an hour in a hotel" to "sugarbaby". I know some of the guys here think the girls are coin-operated automatons, but they're not, and for SOME girls, thinking of themselves as a sugarbaby strokes their egos in nice ways.

I would NOT leave it open, "however many times I make it up there that month", since that leaves her open to being unavailable. I WOULD say "three (or twice, or whatever you think is fair) times a month, every month"; then, if you only make it twice that month, just let it slide... but that's your choice.

There is NOTHING to be lost by not at least trying a counteroffer, and taking advantage of the fact that the term sugarbaby might stroke her ego in very important ways. Just make sure that in the end, if she takes the deal, it's one you're very happy with. 'course, she might really be a coin-operated automaton, in which case, she won't take the deal anyway, and you're no worse off than you were.

If you have that much scratch laying around and can afford to give it away for prime pussy go for it. Personally that price is twice as much as I've ever considered and more than three times I've ever paid. I cannot imagine a time in my life and financial situation where I would ever give that much directly to a woman for sex. Maybe if that was for a two day, three night OTC or something similar. Certainly not for an evening date.

I think this girl has GPS and is highballing you. Another thing to remember, these types of arrangements usually have a very short life span.

Run, don't walk away.

My opinion will be the minority view. But I think there is a rare category of strippers (what I call a DS) who are worth $1K for an extended date and high quality girlfriend experience. Most strippers aren't worth anything close to that amount but a few are. If you find one of those girls and you can afford it, I say just say pay the $1K. It's worth it. Mine certainly were.

The arrangement you suggest might work if this girl really is an honest, reliable stripper. But even if she is such a unicorn now, she will probably go the dark side at some point. My DS started out as one of the most honest people I've ever known but the money eventually corrupted her, as I knew it would. Most likely your girl would eventually flake on you, making up all sorts of excuses why she is unavailable. But she will always be there to take your money.

If you must talk her down in price, I'd offer $750 with a promise of a certain number of visits (like at least once a month) if she is available. Like I said that will be a minority view. But my approach is the one that is most likely to get you the pussy.

She knows the cost of OTC better than you do, and it’s not $1,000. That means she has targeted you as a sucker she can manipulate. Once that happens, you can expect unending bullshit from her. Time to move on.

Sorry, JohnSmith, gotta respectfully disagree. I just had a unicorn experience of my own last week (was thinking about writing it up here but haven't yet) with a stripper who was absolute doppelganger for Nicki Minaj--beautiful face, perfect fake tits and an incredible booty that included DFK, 69, all positions, even offered me anal, and all it cost was $300. For two solid hours of fucking and sucking.

As someone who has paid for a lot of porn star pussy in the past (but stopped once their prices got stupid), no stripper is worth $1,000 OTC. But Doces sounds like he's gonna do it regardless, so hopefully he'll at least share a good story with us once it's done.

CP

Personally, I don't think I could get it up for a chick asking $1k - only way I might consider something like that is if it was a whole weekend kinda thing of unlimited sex and doing other fun things

With her apparent GPS, she'll probably won't be down as soon as you mention it could be up to 3x/month b/c she'll see it as it being $300 per meeting vs the $1k she wants

JS69 and Subraman, they are to the TUSCL advice forum what Jackson Pollack and Salvador Dali are to the art world.

Is she going to spend the night and cook breakfast in the morning?

@ johndough20020 Is she going to spend the night and cook breakfast in the morning?
Lol no in fact she wanted to meet that afternoon before going to the club, which would have limited the time more so than ever before.

When faced with these difficult issues about how to pay for sex, I always ask myself: "What would @RickDugan do in a similar situation?" A better approach is to return to the club wearing your best white polyester, offer dinner at Applebee's, Motel 6, and $250 cash. Save a ton of money, and leave with your dignity intact.

Idk. I've spent big money on hard to get pussy a few times now and I've never found the experience to be any better than what I could get for 1/2 or even 1/3 of the amount I paid. In fact, IME the law of diminishing returns definitely applied. IMHO there is definitely a big gap between girls charging 150 vs r-400, but not so much between 400 and 1K.

But each man needs to figure these things out for himself, so I suspect that this girl is about to get 1K richer. As CP said, come back and share once you hit it!

-->"I've spent big money on hard to get pussy a few times now and I've never found the experience to be any better than what I could get for 1/2 or even 1/3 of the amount I paid. In fact, IME the law of diminishing returns definitely applied."

Agree completely. Just to be clear, in my response above, I was suggesting you use the idea of an arrangement as a way to restructure/renegotiate the price, and do so in a way that's more likely to be successful. NOT as a justification for potentially paying $1k per meeting .

I was in a monthly allowance SB/SD arrangement and it turned out to be a disaster. At first it was good, but then it became more difficult for her to be available on the days I was. Felt like I had an ex-wife and I was sending money to a woman I didn't get to have sex with.

My current SB is perfectly ok with p4p and very fun to hang out with. She has almost always been available when I've proposed a date. And, I'm pretty sure, what I've spent on her this past month is more than what the monthly allowance was with the other girl. So, I think the current SB knows that by being a _good_ SB I'll want to see her often enough to make for a predictable steady cash flow.

What I think of as drawing a substantial premium is obtaining what had been previously unobtainable. Having already met with her OTC, it would eliminate that factor. In this case, wanting more for less predictably lost her the sale.

It's up to you whether to try every desirable stripper you haven't experienced yet or deciding that this one asking the premium is actually worth it. If she is actually worth it, the least you could do is ask for three hours to bring the cost more in line with market and retain a shred of self-respect.

Is it this good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqG75UhN…

if so enjoy

I wouldn’t get into the relationship you are proposing. There must be a level of trust when paying in advance for multiple otc sessions. However, I’ve never found a stripper who I trust to honor the commitment.

By fronting her $1k - and not having any leverage to stop her from ditching you in the deal - the odds are against you (at getting any more than 1 session a month.

If you decide to do this - let us know how it goes.

For $1000 she should bring another lady and you all spend the whole night in bed.

Of course One of them does the bagel run in the morning while you lay back and get another nice BJ

Thanks guys for the advice, needed a little reality.

Wait Doces, I know most of the clubs you go to, you should be able to pull off an OTC session for $125 and a carton of cigarettes! Don’t sell yourself short!!!!

What were you paying her before?

For those who are suggesting some monthly arrangement, to each his own, but I've never seen these work out where a guy actually got his "money's worth" out of it. These situations are messy and they rarely stop at the monthly allowance. Instead guys get roped into entertaining, shopping, helping out a bit extra with bills, etc.,etc. Now maybe some of you have found some simple country bumpkins to role along with this at a discounted rate, to which I'll say congrats, but the ones I've seen always seemed to be more trouble than they were worth and the guys involved were doing it as much for the attention and drama as they were for the sex.

If I was the Doc, I'd just wait until she is having a very bad night and then try to talk her down. And if that doesn't work, then there are always more hot fish in the sea.

Many a stripper is flaky even when they haven't gotten paid, one could extrapolate an increase in flakiness if they already got the $$$

reward the 4-for-1 option, or buy a ticket to Frankfurt, you should have enough left over for at least 4 pops in a FKK club.

@ shailynn you are right about that. She works at one I don't believe you have been to. She is different. She read me as an OTC mark the very first night I saw her. It is a clean club, but with a few well placed tips, had a great time ITC as well. I did not pokerface this girl well and she knows I really am hooked. She is way different than the usual stripper around here which is part of her allure.

This conversation hit home to me. I had the same thing happen to me with a OTC dancer that I started seeing. Everything was good for a year. Our arrangement was pretty much the going rate on any quality craiglist listing. We even started seeing each other for hikes, dinner and movies..total GFE.
Then a few months ago she says she needs extra help and hikes up our arrangement fee. I'm like...are you kidding me? I can get a HOT AF Korean Girl on an escort site for half of what she was hiking up the cost for. I had to just say no thanks.
Now, I'm out cultivating another dancer for OTC arrangement, just hate the noise in the club. I wish her success she is a sweet gal. I just don't know why some people get so god damn greedy, just because. Who does she think she is anyway? Direct TV?
I can't tell you what you should do, but just think of this. Are you the only one she's really seeing? Dollars for donuts your not.

Wait wait wait... is this the same Doces who hit up the tall black girl how many hours in VIP raw-dog, and left with the battle scars after?

You're back on this bitch case again for the 1k? If I could reach thru the ether and slap you I would. C'mon Man, we're all pulling for you.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure we've all done the dumb spending we've lived to regret, I guess you might as well get it over with, like was said, and be separated from your cash. Hopefully you'll get it out your system. As Brother Rick said, diminishing returns. Pussy or sex does not get better with price. It's not a Mercedes, C-E-S Class there's an improvement as you go up the price scale. Totally worth it. Not so with strippers.

What ab just telling her that at her current price, you can’t see her as often, but that you’d still like too see her. It’s like liquor; I like (and can afford) nice wine, premium liquors, and scotch, but most of the time, any reasonable wine, or some Jameson will do just fine. That doesn’t mean I don’t occasionally treat myself, just bc I’m in the mood. And then there’s the convenience (reliability) factor, I know it’s overpriced, but I have no issue buying a 9.00 glass of at a restaurant, and I’d pay a whole lot more if someone would deliver booze lol. Basically, just bc you can afford her, doesn’t mean that she is always in the budget, but I don’t see why you should have to cut her out all together.

@ lick-that, thats good advice. That black girl is having surgery, she will be out of commission for few more weeks. I do plan on seeing that again. Btw the bite marks are almost gone, unspotteted by my wife. Have not got the results on the STD test yet so playing low key for now. My problem is saying no to what I want and she is my only one in a town I have to visit often on business.

Bj99 that is great advice. I think I will take that to heart. I could make her a once in a while treat and tell her I could see her more often if the price was lower. While leaving me some disposable cash for other fun. Thank you Bj99, you're not only hot but intelligent and insightful too.

Many strippers will keep asking for more money for the specific reason that they want to see how high you'll go. It's entirely up to you to establish a limit.

^ customers do the same thing, except w time or what they get. They also like to keep pushing the boundaries. If a guy does this, he should expect her to want to be paid more. I think most guys see a certain amount of progression as a natural part of a relationship, but it’s not a normal relationship, so it shouldn’t be expected.

Bj99... Absolutely. I agree. If the dancer is doing more, then asking for more money is justified. But, if the service is the same and the price keeps going up, then she's just testing tolerance levels and the degree to which the PL thinks (and spends) with his small head.