Planning my First OTC visit

It is a total waste of money if all you want is high mileage dances. Just stick to the clubs.

Sure - could be fun - but always best to have the price ironed-out beforehand to avoid misunderstandings - also not a good idea if you are meeting the girls at their room and best if you guys rent the room, meet the girls outside, them bring them to your room - and be aware they are not texting anyone while in the room with you - just in case

I think it could lead to wanting more than just high mileage and LDK like a slippery slope or gateway. To me it is no longer just going to a strip club.

I had the same opportunity with my ATF DS about six months ago and I'm glad I passed. We were set to meet OTC for the same thing as I get in VIP but for a better rate if I did an hour. I backed out for reasons stated and have never once thought about it again. I have an awesome ITC gig going with my ATF DS and since then it has gotten even better.

Afraid of getting caught.? By whom? LE? Wife? If all you’re going for is the same as you get ITC, why bother? Do the math, listen to Papi, then make up your mind.

I'm of the mindset one should try things they may be interested in and not miss out on a potential good time/experience and potential good-memories - living life afraid of trying things often means missing out on a lot and perhaps the best experiences

@Papi_Chulo yeah well i agree. I think in my fantasy this experience could be like experiencing a foursome without the actual sex. Kind of like a longer, 1 hour lap dance session.

To each his own. I recommend you send the 2 hot strippers to my room for a 3-way.

If you spend less than you would ITC, then why not? There's more privacy and comfort, no bouncer or cameras, the time restraints shouldn't be as strict. As long as the price is fully negotiated and agree upon, you might actually get more for your money. Of course once you're in the motel thing could escalate or go in the other direction even depending how comfortable they are. In the end, you only have to do as much as any of you are comfortable doing, but what you think that is could change in that environment.

Which of the strippers will be the one to rob you?

@SirLapdancealot Not to derail this discussion, but is your ATF willing to do a lot more than you already do ITC, or are you guys already pushing the "limits" for that club? Did she bring it up (i'm assuming she brought up the idea) with the expectation that more could be available for more cost, or was it just clearly stated that she would only do the exact same things as ITC? I guess what i'm saying is who is it you don't trust? Do you think that she'll push things and you won't be able to resist, or that with the privacy and comfort available, you'll just push things ahead yourself and would rather not tempt yourself?

@theDirkDiggler my ATF DS absolutely does not do ITC extras. She will do high mileage stuff like OTP stick shift, balls rub, and titty fuck. Also she will just sit on me cowgirl or reverse and let me grind up into her at my own pace. I don't think this is at the absolute club limit and is more so the club norm since I see the same stuff going on. But that said I do get slightly better treatment from her than her other customers because she is more comfortable with me.

OTC she for sure does more. FS has always been on the table in that regard, but also she is fine with the same ITC activities. We have discussed everything she offers. But she only hinted to me about OTC because she actually doesn't ever like to ask and offer anything because she hates rejection. So it is always up to me to ask. So one day I did and we set up an OTC date, but I backed out a few days before.

I don't trust myself because I know I could be tempted for more. She is a super hot 9 in my book and I have smelled and seen her butterscotch pussy up close. And she is a man pleaser. She just knows how to turn them on. In my fantasies I want to fuck the living shit out of her but I can't and won't do it so meeting her OTC would be way too much temptation.

And it would be all me. She knows I'm married and she has been with many married men OTC but she also doesn't want me to ruin my marriage. When I backed out of our date she even said it was best for me because she knew I was conflicted about it. Likely because she has seen other men like me.

^ That's interesting that she won't do extras ITC, but will OTC. It might be club related or just her. But i'm sure there are other girls like her. There probably are also girls that won't do OTC, but only do extras ITC, although that might be rarer.

@LD JUNKIE You're about to break RULE #1 nada put yourself in a whole potentially dangerous situation. RULE #1: You ALWAYS pick the hotel and get the room!!

Also if it's not for extras what's the point? Private show? That's extras.

NADA-Never

^ It is more Portland related than club related. ITC extras in this town are possible but are still rare. A fair portion of strippers just take things OTC when it comes to extras. A lot of clubs have cameras in the private dance and VIP areas. High mileage is allowed because it is easy to hide, but extras in general are avoided because of the cameras.

So.....i finally did it. Me and my buddy rented the room, and the girls arrived an hour later. Girls charged $100 bucks each for a two-hour session. Extras were on the table but i wasn't brave enough to go.for it.

We did the whole lap dance routine, temptation was just so big that we took our clothes off and i let them do an ass job and handjob, always kept my condom on.

It was fucking hot, sort of like a light version of a fouursome porn movie. No penetration or sucking was involved. I was lucky enough to cum twice in that 2 hour spam, so i guess it was money well spent.

^ Dayum, you did great for only $100! For two of them for two hours? And two nuts? Big thumbs up, although the whole two naked guys and two girls thing is a bit much for me (if you havn't seen my "for the freaks" discussion).

$100 might only get me around 10 minutes with one naked girl ITC and no extra services (although i never heard the term "ass job").

There you go - now you have a fond experience to remember - the only thing you missed was to record it on your cell ph then share the vid with us - next time

@ theDirtDiggler Assjob is when she rubs her ass cheeks in your boner, sliding back and forth like butter, usually she's in doggy style position but you dont actually penetrate her. Highy recommend it.

@Papi_Chulo next time i'll make sure i record it...but i don't want to end up on pornhub or something that's a bit too much.

^ I think i would prefer the outercourse version with the pussy than the ass, just more sanitary and wet and warm, ummm... Of course it could easily "accidentally" slip in as well.

Still that sounds like a good extra (and to completion probably as i'm guessing one of the two nuts) and if that was included in the bargain price, even better. But if you're going to keep the condom on (you really received a covered HJ?), i don't see a big difference from your perspective of doing all that or penetrating or getting sucked. From her perspective though, it definitely might feel like something "extra"...

@LDJunkie $100 for 2 hours and two nuts even including hotel room cost is winning at PL LIFE! Getting naked would be an added bonus over ITC. And bravo and my hat is off to you for abstaining from FS while wearing only a condom. That, to me only, would be exactly the scenario that would tempt me to just fuck my ATF DS OTC which is why I can't cross over to it.

Are you really still making the distinction in your mind that as long as you don't stick your condom covered dick in her you're not committing adultery?

I think that line was crossed once you labeled her "ATF DS" and started making plans to specifically go to see her in the club.

Not saying there's anything wrong with that. Obviously, I had my fingers crossed when I was reciting that part of my vows.

@joc13 I never made any such distinction. I am just drawing my own line at not having FS. And various other extras and other self imposed limits. It actually has nothing to do with my wedding vows (which FYI were never textbook to begin with). My wife knows I go to strip clubs and get contact dances with strippers. She has seen the pictures of my ATF DS on my phone. Where she stands with me getting naked and meeting a stripper in a hotel is just something I don't want to find out.

By how you define it, I don't understand how there is a difference with making plans to go see an ATF DS and making plans to go see any stripper in a club. It's all adultery if there is any amount of "sexual activity" with any stripper based on your definition.