OTC > ITC in my humble opinion

I am exclusively ITC and I don't want to fuck or get extras from a stripper. LDK and some flirting and dick teasing is all that I want from them. I am married, I love my wife to death, and she is the only woman that I want to have sex with.

I don't currently have any girls I'm looking to get OTC from, but I have done it in the past. I already have 2 g/f's and I don't need to hassle of a dancer on top of that, but if my CF were to ask I'd have to consider it.

I would say that OTC is probably more cost effective than ITC as you don't have to give any money to the club (although you probably have to spring for a hotel room) or waste any money on other girls you aren't as interested in. And you're usually not paying by the hour or by time in general unless you get an escort that works in the strip club who ended up scheduling an escort date OTC with time limits. So A. might not apply as much unless you have a SB or DS or some long term and frequent situation.

An E. answer might be that you don't want to see the same girl ITC after you've seen her OTC although that's probably not a big deal for most TUSCLers that OTC.

An F. answer might be that you like a lot of variety and spread the wealth on shorter, less expensive sessions with multiple girls for as much mileage/contact/extras you can get.

Can't use greater than symbol in post body so

(AMP) (greater than) (backpage heroin addict)

(reviewed escort) (greater than) (AMP)

(ITC) (greater than) (reviewed escort)

(otc) (greater than) (itc)

(cute responsible college girl)(greater than) (otc)

(consensual UNPAID sex) (much greater than)(anything else)

Personally the thrill for me is going our for beers, meeting a dancer and doing her inside the club. OTC seems like a lot of effort and expense and the few times I have gone to a brothel or done an escort or a massage parlor it just hasn't been fun, or not fun enough to make it worthwhile. I love sex with my wife, who for reasons I will never quite figure out is way better at bj's in 2017 than 1990 and we also swing so getting sex isn't the issue. I have loved strip clubs since 1975, but for just the sex I pick my wife and swinging.

I agree with RandomMember’s assessment of things. It’s like rock vs paper vs scissors - with whores!

"rock vs paper vs scissors - with whores"

LMAO

The value just isn't there. A+D. Civilian or married sex is cheaper and just as hot, if not better. If it wasn't cheaper, then us broke people wouldn't be able to afford sex. So think about that. Remember, TUSCL is the minority.

I admit the calculus changes if you have CEO stress, with CEO family, and CEO wages. The calculus also changes if your kids are grown, the wife's gone, and you're just DONE with LTRs. Or if you have a lifetime of savings and thrift.

I love both ITC and OTC ... both great, just different. I love everything about the ITC experience, I love going for drinks and sitting with a stripper while lots of other hot strippers are walking around and on stage, I love that I can do all this with my buddies. Yes, in an extras club, the actual sex part will be shorter and less private than OTC -- but the entire experience is awesome. I won't go through OTC's various merits, they're well-known here. But I will say that even when I've had awesome OTC relationships going, I've never stopped going to the club -- going to the club, either for ITC sex or just socially at a no-extras club -- scratches an entirely different itch. If I compare JUST the sex part of ITC vs OTC, yes of course OTC wins, but that's the thing, I'm not at all interested in that comparison, I'll looking for how much I enjoyed my 5 hours in the club, vs how much I enjoyed my X hours OTC, not just limiting it to the sex part of the experience.

Anyway -- yes, OTC is IMO the crowning achievement of the sex industry ... better than ITC, but not a complete replacement for it, for me.

ABD

-->"(cute responsible college girl)(greater than) (otc)"

Some of you agreeing with RM might not know what this particular lines means. Obviously, RM have a friendly disagreement on this one -- for me, OTC is the single best experience in the sex industry, RM has found better experiences on Seeking Arrangements. And SA or similar site is what RM means here: an arrangement site is basically the one way you could be having for-pay sex with a responsible college girl. BTW, I don't think either RM or I are necessarily right or wrong, I think we're just valuing different experiences.

I am on SA and continue to be on SA, and enjoy it. But for what I'm looking for, OTC remains the pinnacle of sex experiences. You can read my detailed discussion of my experiences over in the article section tuscl.net

But the FRAT here for me (and BTW, this might be highly geography/locality specific) is:

1. The best looking, most-fun girls on SA are strippers and ex-strippers
2. Engaging with the girls referenced in #1 is more like OTC than a proper arrangement
3. The "cute college girls" in affordable ranges (less than $1500/month allowance) are nowhere near as hot as strippers and nowhere near as sexually blow-your-mind as strippers
4. The guys spending $3000+/month seems to be getting it all, stripper hot (or better) responsible civilians, etc. But that's not a price range I'm interested in.

So, for me at least, OTC much much greater than college-girl on SA. OTC roughly equal to stripper or ex-stripper on SA.

I agree with Subraman in recognizing the trip to the club is fun in its own right. That's why I said I wasn't really looking for OTC now, yet I still go clubbing. I like my regulars, the wait staff who all know me, the girls who chat me up. It's fun! I get my sex elsewhere (usually!).

Subra is a very wise man. Yeah I was talking about sex, but if you include the atmosphere of the club scene, many girls in sexy outfits walking around, talking and drinking with some of the girls, then yes ITC is very fun, and it's the reason why I still go to the club even though I have a few OTC girls. Taking everything in consideration I would still put OTC over ITC.

"OTC is IMO the crowning achievement of the sex industry"

Subra has a way of saying things better than you can could ever say it.

@Random- I know we throw jabs at each at each other every now and then, but you have me given some good advice on saving my money while in my 20's. It's up to me to follow your advice.

Option E. I have yet to schedule an OTC, but it's mostly because of logistics and possible danger. My SC trips are usually spontaneous and my VIP visits are even less planned. I rarely go with the expectation of VIP, and so when it happens, it's because a particular girl is blowing my mind and I can't resist.

OTC requires a degree of forethought and planning (at least in my home city where I wouldn't already be in a hotel). Plus, I mildly worry about a girl showing up where I am with her boyfriend/pimp.

I'm not a fan of ITC for obvious reasons, and there are a couple girls I'm considering for OTC, so may take the plunge yet. I'll probably wonder why I waited so long...

When I was married I did not do OTC. I felt that I had to draw a line, and that it is all marital infidelity, but some are worse than others.

AMP girls offered OTC, and in a very open ended way. As I saw it, the girl was offering to become my mistress. It would not be like FS in the shop, it would be more involved, and hence more risky. ANd then the repeated visits would have a substantial cost. So I decided against it. Needed to maintain some level of personal integrity or it would make my marriage worse.

With the strippers, our clubs are softer core, so less of the girls do that. Of those that do, I still felt it was going too far, and also it would bring me into the girl's outside life, and that could multiply the risks.

SJG

Subraman for philosopher of TUSCL. The sexy, edgy environment of the club with drinking and flirting is the best. I only wish I could do it more often.

ITC has that see want get experience, the ultimate King Herod power trip. Seeing the girl that floats your boat on that night, and getting to have her dressed and painted up just as you first spotted her. Nothing else like that. But you only get that with a girl one time.

Hard, though not impossible, to replicate this OTC, or on subsequent visits.

SJG

@Rod- when I first did OTC literally the first thing I asked myself was why did I wait so long.

The other day I just stopped in for a beer and this black girl came and sat by me. She asked if i wanted a private dance I said no just here to drink a beer or 2 and head out. I bought her a beer and she moved in tight. Proceeded to unzip me and take it out and massage it. Good thing it was a slow night only the waitress saw her holding my thing , the other 2 patrons were sitting on the other side of the bar and couldn't see. After finishing my 2nd beer I told her I am going to zip up and go, she then leaned over and told me she was getting off from work in 2 hrs. I asked if she wanted me to pick her up and drive her home, she said wait by the back door around 7 pm. She hopped into the car and did a bbbj all the way to her motel room. She told me she was gonna shower first and asked me to join her..I think I was naked before she got naked.

^^^^^^ :) :) :)

But BBBJ while driving?

SJG

^^^^^^^ Janos, your country is known for being looser. So the girls are likely to be more forward and competitive.

I still would not go for BBBJ while driving.

But definitely full GFE and overnight sessions with this girl.

:) :) :)

SJG

Janos - you are a lucky man! That’s a hot story. You stopped in for a few beers - and you got more than you had planned to get!

@Subra wrote: "Obviously, RM have a friendly disagreement on this one .."

Friendly? I've been fuming about this disagreement for months and have been planning to track you down and firebomb your community. kidding you make a lot of good points. However, my experience with OTC strippers includes:

(1) stripper taking condom off during sex (2) pregnancy extortion attempt (3) Contracting chlamydia (4) Stripper tag-team at my house (one out in car unbeknownst to me, with the other in my guest room) (5) General flaky behavior (6) Ghosting and reappearing when money was needed (7) Impossibly entitled behavior.

I've had much better luck online with really great students. To each his own.

@FishStix: Nice post. Most of us envy your youth -- so don't waste it all on strippers.

Janos, I hope you're still continuing to see that girl.

:)

SJG

For me it is mostly A, with a little bit of B. I am not actively pursuing OTC, and I currently don't have any prospects that would be worth asking for it. I don't doubt that the day will come when I will indulge in OTC, but for me it is best that all my current adventures be ITC. With my budget, I can't have both ITC and OTC. It can only be one or the other. Since OTC usually also involves a commitment to ITC, I am going to stick to just getting my action ITC. Besides, I like the 3F philosophy of "Find 'em, Fuck 'em and Forget 'em".

I guess another reason could be all the girls you've asked for OTC said no.

@ironman- once you're doing OTC with a girl I don't think there needs to be a big commitment ITC. With a couple of girls I have OTCed with, I was seeing them ITC on average once a week, then once I started OTC with them, I only visited them in the club once a month or even longer, they were fine with it. One girl I used to visit ITC regularly, when we started OTCing, I stopped seeing her ITC completely.

Janos, you've given now two accounts of being with black girls. The above, and then one about a place where they can do massages, so that you can get the use of the nice massage room.

Both these girls sound like they are worth their weight in gold.

And to think, this board is still loaded up with LDK idiots, like SirLapDanceAlot.

We have talked much recently about DFKing. As you have described them, I don't think either of your two black girls would have been averse to kissing, not if you wanted to slow it down a bit by talking to them and letting it intensify it.

SJG

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"OTC > ITC in my humble opinion"

It's not just your opinion, it's a fact according to Excel.

If you can easily get less expensive OTC for all night or for a long time for less than a VIP room for one hour in a club with bouncers, and time limits, is it really a good question? I guess if you were married or with significant others and you couldn't make other time arrangements, ITC might be your only good option. I haven't participated in OTC unless a dancer talked me into it. If she's hot, that might be easy. I haven't had a civvie girl talk me into sex yet but they were too demanding wanting me to leave the club right away. I didn't think I was hot stuff or anything so I was suspicious if it was just for free sex. I didn't want to leave right away either. I figure only crazy girls walk up to a guy in a strip club and ask to leave with him right away to do whatever. Maybe I should say show me your tits to see if she is serious if it ever happens again.

Just no comparison. Trying to enjoy your partner in some cramped room or booth with bouncers around and a time limit hardly even qualifies as sex.

OTC >> ITC.

I have a hard time saying no to a BJ or even a sucking if a dancer just prefers to do that to warm me up. I remember one dancer practically told me she had a right to do that. I didn't argue. I think I've had a dancer suck on every appendage of mine except my toes. Sucking on my fingers seemed weird, especially when this one crazy dancer said afterwards that I tasted real good. Sometimes I wonder why some people act so crazy around me. Possessed? Crazy? Just a horny stripper? One stripper one night did seem possessed. Very weird. Maybe I have dead strippers following me around but they like me. I prefer dancers that suck over biting. I remember one vampire like dancer watched me the whole time she was on stage then she bit my nose and neck when I tipped her. Ow, that didn't feel good. Crazy stripper.

@Random.

Sorry no emojis here. Well said RM

OP: "OTC > ITC in my humble opinion"

Yes, obv.