When strip clubs take a turn for the worse or close altogether
theDirkDiggler
Illinois
Unlike some TUSCLers here, i just don't have the time, opportunity, money, energy or desire or some combination thereof to travel the country (or world even) in search of strip clubs and the like. So its mostly local or relatively local for me, which means about 2 hours one way maximum, ideally well less than an hour, although i might stretch it out a bit further if i felt it was worthwhile. I know that Chicago is considered a wasteland (for customers at least; the girls seem to make or potentially make good money), but that's my reality. Detroit and East St. Louis, just too far. Ditto Indianapolis and rural Indiana . Wisconsin is largely just not worth it i hear in terms of quality or mileage.
Over the last few years, several strip clubs in the area have either closed down, changed ownership/management or just made strange/bad decisions that have turned off both dancers and customers often at the same club. So i go to those clubs less if at all now. And there are still the clubs that i would almost never visit to begin with or the ones that i would rarely go to. That doesn't change. But i still find myself spending about the same time and money if not more so. I just spend it at the remaining clubs that haven't gone in that direction. And because it's mostly spent in the clubs i prefer, i tend to have more satisfactory albeit expensive visits.
And yet i'm a bit saddened by the lack of options. There's a part that wishes that the estranged girls that left the other clubs never to be seen by me again, somehow all end up in the clubs i still go to. But that's rarely the case and even if they did it would change the way i operate during my visits. Sometimes too many familiar faces/favorites in one club isn't a good thing not to mention the whole familiarity breeds contempt sort of deal. A change of scenery or break could be a good thing. Nor do i want to be too much of a regular face at one club. It's one thing to be familiar with the staff, but another thing to be rather chummy with them or even other regular customers.
So how is it for you? If you live in an area with a wealth of strip clubs (probably Texas, Florida, Arizona, California, Nevada, New York, Portland maybe, etc.), in this day and age, you've surely noticed clubs going downhill or closing altogether. Do you just go less and save money and time to do other things (like i don't know, but surely there are other things to do) or visit the same few more often?
Over the last few years, several strip clubs in the area have either closed down, changed ownership/management or just made strange/bad decisions that have turned off both dancers and customers often at the same club. So i go to those clubs less if at all now. And there are still the clubs that i would almost never visit to begin with or the ones that i would rarely go to. That doesn't change. But i still find myself spending about the same time and money if not more so. I just spend it at the remaining clubs that haven't gone in that direction. And because it's mostly spent in the clubs i prefer, i tend to have more satisfactory albeit expensive visits.
And yet i'm a bit saddened by the lack of options. There's a part that wishes that the estranged girls that left the other clubs never to be seen by me again, somehow all end up in the clubs i still go to. But that's rarely the case and even if they did it would change the way i operate during my visits. Sometimes too many familiar faces/favorites in one club isn't a good thing not to mention the whole familiarity breeds contempt sort of deal. A change of scenery or break could be a good thing. Nor do i want to be too much of a regular face at one club. It's one thing to be familiar with the staff, but another thing to be rather chummy with them or even other regular customers.
So how is it for you? If you live in an area with a wealth of strip clubs (probably Texas, Florida, Arizona, California, Nevada, New York, Portland maybe, etc.), in this day and age, you've surely noticed clubs going downhill or closing altogether. Do you just go less and save money and time to do other things (like i don't know, but surely there are other things to do) or visit the same few more often?
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But to your point yes, business is slower in most Portland clubs. I have seen this over the last four years for sure. But LOL that is a perfect situation for me. I am the type of PL that will stick with an ATF as long as our schedules line up and right now in this downturn I have an ATF ATF that works at a club that is on my way home from work and she also is on shift when I get off work. So I am soooooo good right now in terms of my mongering.
I have almost a similar number of clubs in a 2 hour radius, so you're number is certainly conservative. Of those roughly 20 clubs, i'll go to maybe 5 of them more than occasionally and 3 of them frequently. It used to be more like 8/5 or even 10/6.
Stars Bridgeport
The Acropolis
Sunset Strip
DV8
Rose City Strip
Casa Diablo
Union Jacks
Club Sinrock
Club205
Mystic
Riverside Corral
Sassy's
The Golden Dragon
Club Rouge
Spyce
So as you can see, the decline hasn't been so bad that I don't have options. And it really is irrelevant with me because of the way I monger. I am the PL type that latches onto a dancer(s) instead of going to a club. And there are simply too many dancers in Portland to get tired of. There is a good portion of the dancer market in Portland that turns over constantly which provides fresh faces at the clubs but there is also a well established community of mature dancers in the area. As I stated, Portland is unique in that the ups and downs of the economy don't severely change the club scene. While I agree that overall I have observed this decline that mention over the last four years but again it is not significant enough to affect my mongering.
In my case, even though there are numerous clubs in a somewhat small area, the costs associated and contact/mileage offered are astoundingly different at times. So it's not just a matter of latching on to a specific dancer although dancer quality is also very different at the clubs.
I've experienced dancer(s) at other clubs after she left the previous one, and often wished that she went to another club or back to the one she left because we (or i really) weren't able to have the same fun for the same amount of money or any amount of money. In other words, i wouldn't go back to that club just for her; it had to do with the club, not her. Sometimes i would even find myself avoiding her at that particular club or skip that club altogether, just so i wouldn't end up overpaying for my experience with her.
Maybe my question is more notable in less saturated markets.
Also it really is an overall no extras (ITC) area but also offers higher than average mileage. Again it varies a little but overall you get the same offers at all the clubs which levels the pricing.
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I think the Chicago(land) strip club scene is oversaturated as well fwiw but with upscale gentleman's clubs. Too overpriced and too many skinny strippers.(which is why dancers seem to like it but the tip outs are high supposedly). Except maybe across the border in Indiana but I find the talent takes a nosedive.
From the classic stripper looks department I would agree, but from a "pleasing the customer" standpoint I totally disagree.
I'm in northern New Jersey and there are still lots of clubs - and a good amount of variety. I prefer the filthier clubs - with fewer rules - and more itc and otc extras. I still find a good amount of clubs that suit my needs.
Funny, but in my area, the number of clubs has actually increased over the last 5+ years. This is due to one new club and a couple of other formerly closed clubs opening back up.
Now have the club numbers shrunk in some areas? Certainly, in some cases by a lot. But truth be told there were probably too many clubs to begin with. A lot of them opended up in the 90s and early part of the 2000s and we have not seen boom cycles like those in a long time now. Add to this (1) an aging population; and (2) more competition from online options and it is no surprise that some of the money that used to be spent in clubs has dried up or been diverted elsewhere.
But with all of that said, I don't think that strip clubs are going away anytime soon. If anything, the ones in my area are picking up, which is a little irritating as it is driving up the cost of OTC. ;)
So I read all that SW stuff and it looked like the bottom line was that the only club girls could make good money in was the one that 1) allowed lots of touching, 2) had lots of girls working there, and 3) required the girls to really work hard (provide good service) to get the guys with money to spend it.
Imagine that: the club that girls could make most money in is exactly the club with three top criteria that most PLs look for in clubs.
Imagine that!
I fear the day when Portland starts going to more corporate style clubs. I think it is a long time away, though, because the mom and pop clubs here are so we'll established. The corporate Spearmint Rhino came to town a few years and I like that it hasn't taken off and struggles just like all the mom and pop clubs do.
I'm a variety-PL thus I prefer to have access to lots of clubs, but I often wonder if a lot of clubs may actually be PL-counterproductive in that it thins-out/spreads-out/waters-down the talent, vs it being more-concentrated in just a few clubs.
I used to hit many different clubs but w/ time/over-SCing I'm only down to 3 or 4 in my rotation (used to have about 10 or so) - part of it is my niche; i.e. I'm almost exclusively into AA dancers and in South FL very few of the mixed clubs have enough AAs on staff, if any - thus I mostly hit the all-black clubs thus that significantly reduces the amount of clubs I'm willing to visint in my area.
Liking variety I get tired of my local scene although I think it's pretty-good - I def enjoy experiencing new clubs in different areas and also treat-it as a mini-vacation and a getaway from the same-ole same-ole - I'm single w/ no kids thus it's easier for me to do what I want when I want but I still don't travel outside my area as much as I'd like either b/c I'm busy doing something or I've spent my $$$ in the local-spots.
Nowadays airfare is pretty-cheap and one can afford to take weekend trips and use credit-card reward-points for hotels, making a weekend getaway not a huge expense - but often times it is finding/making the time or one being good about organizing their schedule - I often have a good to great time when I visit known good/fun out-of-area SCs (e.g. Follies ATL, etc).
I like good-mileage lap-dances; but anything more than $20/LD and it's probably a better value to just opt for extras/VIP instead of getting a whole bunch of expensive lap-dances (even if one likes/enjoys lap-dances)
All of these clubs except one were in central Illinois or the boonies, the other one was in a fairly conservative suburb (St. Charles) and closed down only a few years later. The one club that charged $30 still charges $30, so no inflation after all those years. The other two clubs (the first two) finally raised the price to about $25 only in the last few years but added light to moderate contact although it's really hit and miss at that first club. Every other club i've been to in the past 10 years has pretty much kept the same prices or changed the pricing scheme to bundling dances (you have to buy three, but price per individual dance is less than one dance used to be).
I'm certainly not complaining but i wonder if it weren't for the great recession if dance prices would have kept pace with inflation. It seems the $20 dance was a thing even in the 90s. Recession or not, $20 back then was about half a day's work after taxes for many working class people and people still spent it. The minimum wage and median wage were just above half of what it is now. So was the cost of many other items, although lap dances don't really have a rising cost of goods/materials associated with them like other products.
I guess the value of pussy is at an all time low for the century and the GPS girls haven't figured it out yet. 15 years ago, i would have been shocked if a hot girl did a lap dance for $5 (regular dance too, not a special or promo) like they do nowadays in some parts of the country. Or $10 high contact/high mileage dances when $20 only got you air. Just thinking out loud here.