Is Vip worth it ?
KJ702
Texas
Afternoon fellas
I liked the discussion pro vs ameatruer
Im 27 and been going to strip clubs sense 18 I have not been more than 20 times and only been to clubs in Houston tx.
Recently I beginning to consider the sc a good thing. My most recent visits have been 3 times in a 2 weeks and tonight will be my 4th visit within 2 weeks. Ok so I have a CF I met been going to see her. She never really pushes Vip on me but the waitress does its $150 I think for a bottle and you get to go in VIP. Which is upstairs . If I spent 150 for a bottle and get to go upstairs I still have to pay for lap dances ? Can some one help is VIP worth it ? And excuse my punctuality
I want to get some itc tonight for sure . Maybe I can still get itc in the regular lap dance room with out going to VIP...?
I liked the discussion pro vs ameatruer
Im 27 and been going to strip clubs sense 18 I have not been more than 20 times and only been to clubs in Houston tx.
Recently I beginning to consider the sc a good thing. My most recent visits have been 3 times in a 2 weeks and tonight will be my 4th visit within 2 weeks. Ok so I have a CF I met been going to see her. She never really pushes Vip on me but the waitress does its $150 I think for a bottle and you get to go in VIP. Which is upstairs . If I spent 150 for a bottle and get to go upstairs I still have to pay for lap dances ? Can some one help is VIP worth it ? And excuse my punctuality
I want to get some itc tonight for sure . Maybe I can still get itc in the regular lap dance room with out going to VIP...?
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I guess you are excused -- but I always thought being on time was a good thing.
150 jus for access i think the cameras in the club only when you walkin and at the bars
You need to ask more questions, but not here. In the club.
I only do VIPs, I find lap dances useless, but our inveterate LDKers have the opposite POV :)
To be honest - it's generally a waste to buy a VIP bottle as it's highly overpriced booze - and I'm only going to clubs for a few beers.
In my opinion - I'd negotiate with a dancer - and find out what's available outside of VIP. I prefer seedier clubs - with less surveillance - so that it's more comfortable for pushing the limits and not getting hit with a huge bill.
I've done VIP before - for the room - and I've asked that they just give me a few beers - and to save the bottle - and that worked for me. But that depends on the club - and your relationship with the manager.
If the VIP is worthwhile, regular customers will keep them busy and no selling or pushing is required.
But, in the end, there is no better teacher than experience. We have all experienced a disappointing and expensive VIP. Over time, you develop a spidey sense for these things.
Whatever happens "up stairs" is what you two decide. Find out what payment she expects and what you're getting for it. If you've seen her a few times she should be willing to discuss specifics.
None of this gets you to a dance. The VIP area is just a more laidback area where you invite your choice of stripper, and you get a great view of the club. You still need to buy lapdances or VIP dances separately. Might be a decent deal for someone like me and my buddies, who easily spend $150 total on liquor anyway, and tend to want to stick with one girl for the entire trip; might not make sense for others.
My thoughts after that and the increased spending were, "meh," so I dropped back to $100 a visit and spaced the trips out again, and I have just as much fun. I just caution in case your trying to keep up appearances with these guys on Tuscl. It's you money and I'm not in any way trying to tell you what TO DO or what NOT TO DO.
Really, though, you should be asking the dancer about whatever the waitress just brought up and what that includes, etc., instead of sitting on your hands looking awkward.
There are many dancers who will tell you how hot VIP will be - but it's a vague sales pitch that leads to disappointment. Don't fall for it.
Dominic yes I feel like a real PL going 4 times in 2 weeks to see her but this girl is amazing I'm pretty much in love with her she's perfect for me lol
Then if you want to make it happen with her, when it is time for your pants to come down, you invite her to the back room.
Then take her home with you and keep on seeing her too.
So if you want to make it happen with her, and right then, then VIP is your way. But after that first meeting, you should just be able to see her outside, and not go back to that strip club again for as long as you are seeing her.
If you don't understand this, then you are one of the PL's who is keeping Deja Vu in business.
SJG
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Then take her home with you and keep on seeing her.
SJG
SJG is the anti-dominic: Telling you how to have fun in a place he knows nothing about is *precisely* what he does!
KJ, I'm worried about you for two reasons:
(1) You ask a board full of strangers from all over the world how to do VIPs in Houston.
(2) You say "I like that San Jose guy ."
Hmm . . .
If you find a girl you like, you can have in many clubs a good chance of getting her completely off script and into civilian intimacy, and even on your first meeting with her.
If you don't find such a girl, go home or go someplace else. Don't become like MrDeuce.
SJG
Front room makeout session. Save booths and back rooms until it is time for your own pants to come down. Then after, take you girl home with you and continue by seeing her regularly.
SJG
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My problem with girls in strip clubs is that I like too *many* of them, not too few! Cite a single piece of evidence to the contrary in anything I've ever posted.
Also, give evidence (besides the irrelevant fact that I classify myself as a libertarian) that I divide women, or society, into two classes.
SJG, you are one unbelievably weird little man.
SJG
MrDeuce, he has some problem with this, and so too seemingly does Ismael.
SJG
In more modern, Deja Vu, forms they restrict front room physical intimacy to make you buy dances or VIP time. But in so doing, they destroy the rapport you might have build with your girl.
Avoid Such Clubs!
1. Select and approach girl yourself.
2. Feed her front room money and get friendly, leading to intense makeout session.
3. When it is clearly time to insert tab A in slot B, you invite her to the back room, or to come home with you, or preferably both.
Don't buy dances. Don't take girls to see what they do in the back room, take them to the back room because they are already doing everything you want them to.
SJG
He doesn't treat his women, at least ITC, like civilian GF's. He sees them as something else.
Patriarchy has always run on dividing women into two categories.
SJG
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Ok, I only do so out of necessity but
2. Feed her front room money and get friendly, leading to intense makeout session.
I would rather get friendly and she grind on me while I grope tits and ass.
3. When it is clearly time to insert tab A in slot B, you invite her to the back room, or to come home with you, or preferably both.
But I don't want to insert tab a in slot b in the back room and I don't want to take her home!
Don't buy dances. Don't take girls to see what they do in the back room, take them to the back room because they are already doing everything you want them to.
I actually agree but that doesn't necessarily mean sex or making out. What clubs can you make out with a stripper in the front room? With a girl you want to make out with and hasn't been sucking dick 10 minutes ago?
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Okay, so then go to some other club, or some other kind of place which has girls you would like to do that with.
Don't waste you money on girls you don't want to fuck.
SJG
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I went to the club when my CF saw immediately left the guy she was dancing with ran to me jumped ome kissing.., I was with a friend she brought her friend immediately my friend was too drunk according to her friend (maybe because he wasn't tricking ) well me and my cf did what cali guy said I spent like $60 in the main room then she went on stage I gave $40 ones to her friend to throw on her (she kept 5$) and after that was done my CF treated me good didn't go upstairs or get VIP but we spent some QT her and friend were hating on why I didn't come alonE..... Lmao I didn't come up off too much $ my CF expectd me too but I held composure didn't budge on my budget.... Her friend made it harder for me wanted me to spend on 2 I wasn't With it. My CF was upset ( I could tell ) but then I thought bout y'all !' And played it off and left ( my cf wanted me to do treat her and her stripper friend by buying double shots for both ) I passed on that but was still E to leave with a lfk with both...
Your second mistake was typing your entire update post with your face.
If you are entertaining two dancers - and you bring a friend - it's going to complicate things - and usually not in a good way. Your friend seems to be a liability - if he gets too drunk - and the dancers notice it. If he gets drunk and you have to take care of him - it's wasting time and $$$ - and if the dancers see a true whale - they will drop you quickly.
On a different topic - I tend to ignore most of SJG's posts - but not everyone does that. Ismael knows his way around a strip club - and he offers excellent advice and insight!
Falling-down drunk buddies are an anchor. Part of why I go to clubs alone 90% of the time.
I've bought drinks for more than one girl at a time (not often though), but I've never gotten dances or VIP from more than one dancer. If I'm going to do a threesome, it'll be OTC and not in a fancied-up broom closet.
Agree with others above. Give your CF a break for 1 to 2 weeks. Sometimes dancers need to be reminded that they need to earn your money. They are not entitled to it.
Is it worth it? I asked one of my favorite dancers there that knows that I would never go for that "Why would a guy spend that kind of money ITC when he can get OTC or escorts for half that or less.
She came up with 2 answers.
1) Celebrating a special event such as a birthday or divorce.
20 No paper trail. Their credit cards are processed through an obscure business.
For anyone that really cares, that's still a traceable digital trail. It may pass the casual sniff test if a nosey girlfriend or wife is looking over a credit card statement.
But only a casual sniff test, because if you Google "[obscure business name] credit card charge", then it's *highly* likely that the searcher will discover that "Smith Holdings LLC" is actually a titty bar.
I like that San Jose guy .."
This has to be either a fishsticks alias or a monkey sitting at a keyboard. Nobody else would even consider stringing those words together purposefully.
On the other hand, when I was in my teens going to clubs, I didn't have to know any advanced strip clubbing theory and one dancer told me she wanted to be my girlfriend and another met me outside because she liked me better than her older for-the-money boyfriend. No front-room money feeding was involved. We went in the back without my pants coming down.
In other words, each interaction can be unique if you pursue it where it might go rather than blindly following a systematic approach because it sounded good on the internet.
I think VIP works for 1) - as you mentioned. It's not for most mongers, as we understand the way to get what we want from a club/dancer.
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The idea comes from our underground table dancing circuit, running in SJ Mexican Bars.
The girls just come and initiate dancing for you. They don't ask permission. They make more money that way.
But then in other places, like SJ T;s, I have paid girls the full $20 a song to have a girl just sit with me and talk, in the front room, and also in the collective VIP room.
Better in that club to interact with the girl when she is on stage. Beyond that, sit and talk is better than their dances.
( no touching, girl on this coffee table like thing )
So yes, front room money feeding does have an objective:
Getting to know a girl verbally and physically, and as a probable prelude to either more intense actions in the back room, or OTC, or likely one and then the other.
In the front room, like backing up against a wall ( for safety ) and pulling a girl up to you, or with the girl on your lap, you can lead it. Its just like a first date.
Most important thing is to never treat the girl like a prostitute, and to pick the girl and approach her yourself.
Usually, in my experience, unless there is some external impediment, just by talking to a girl and getting to know her and by flirting with her, she can be gently induced into a makeout session. You don't bargain with her or try to talk her into it, you just fraternize and let it happen. And as this intensifies, she'll very soon be ready for maximum ITC and OTC mileage.
Now if you treat her like that, like a civilian, and then you back out or fail to keep seeing her, she will be justifiably pissed. So don't do that.
The money is just a show of care and concern, not really a payment for anything.
If you keep seeing her and giving her money, then it is mistress maintenance.
SJG
And anytime a credit card is scanned into the approval system, their is a record. Some businesses do have a cover business name. Like some AMPs used a seafood restaurant. But if LE wants to, they can figure it out, get people to talk.
SJG
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whether he does or doesn't there is no question that YOU never will you fucking rapist
But you've got Mr. Sleepytime Rapist locked down.
Tips should be tips, not service fees.
If it fails with dancer 1, and the others see that she got money anyway, then very likely another one, a smarter one, will be jumping right in to take her place.
Remember, if you do this you will very quickly be dicking her in your own bed regularly. So you don't need to go to strip clubs that often. The girls you meet will keep you plenty busy.
SJG
Because you aren't having fun in the exact manner that SJG mandates that everyone have fun. Therefore, your fun is wrong, even if it's fun.
That's why.
SJG
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But it's really more of the same.
Different people enjoy different things at the strip club. SJG you are a fucking idiot because like everyone says, you act like your way is the only way to have fun. It isn't!!!!! With every time your reply buying dances is for chumps or front room make out session you fall further and further down the retard scale. Actually you've already hit the bottom, right now you're just grinding your ass harder into the ground than a stripper trying to get LDK82 to cum in 3 minutes. I've read plenty of threads from the past, and you are in every one acting like a total fucking moron. It's hard to imagine what you're like out in public. I really think you'd be one of those guys to crazy and shoot up a theater or something. That's how your posts from me off to me. Like that student in Virginia that shot up the school and then had that giant crazy manifesto. That's who you remind me of.
I'm tied up on f2f political matters right now, that's why I've not been posting much.
SJG
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