Curious about something. I wonder how many club owners, workers (non dancers) and customers would be comfortable if their daughter, wife, GF or other important female in their life wanted to or did become dancers. Would you be supportive? why or why not?
I haven't had this situation come up, but I wouldn't be supportive because of the constant abuse. I have had a CF who was thinking of becoming an escort, though, and did everything I could to encourage her stay a dancer. E.g., telling her that as an escort if an old guy with bad breath shows up at the door, that's what she would have to work with rather than being able to choose her customers. It seems to have worked.
No, of course not. Working in an environment where drugs and alcohol is the norm is bad enough. Then add to that the cattiness of the other girls and the perverts that come in looking for a cheap thrill. If she doesn't hate men to start with, she will soon enough.
I dunno. I'm not poor as I make 350K so she would have other options. I guess if I was poor and really wanted an XBox real bad I suppose I would support her. I'd worry about her being abused, doing drugs, other girls messing with her, possible STDs if she's barebacking dudes. Given all that I'd like to think I'd support her, but not necessarily the choice of possession. I'd hope she feels the money is worth the hassles. I'd also hope she has an end game, a way out, something to do after, so it's like a stepping stone to something better. When it comes down to it, her choice, her decision, her responsibility, her life.
I feel bad for one of my favs. Her boyfriend calls her a whore and makes remarks about "how many cocks you suck tonight for that money?" to her. She's one of those rare dance-only girls. Turned down some very of high offers, from me and told me of others. Her boyfriend is an ass to her but she keeps him around. She'd be better off without the negativity as she's actually trying to improve her life. No drugs and is going to school. But again, her life, her choice. I just tell her she's awesome and support her dreams for the future, tell her she's on the right track. If it goes well she'll be done with the club and me in less than a year. I hope she pulls it off.
It's probably just that any man worth having wants you all to himself. Either he's a loser and waves it off as a possibility because of his situation in life or bitterness continually builds up like when your whale gets dances from that bitch you hate.
I would. But then again my modus operandi is to treat all dancers by that golden rule. With fairness and some empathy, and a firmness when called for. I'm no white knight nor a noble pervert. I know the club is a toxic environment. But it's honest work if she dances (even if she escorts, too, I suppose, that would be hard, though that would not be my preference). And if she was done and wanted out, I'd support that, too.
I'd sooner she work there than at Walmart, TBH. There are also some sexist, hostile bosses in the vanilla world, and the pay in a lot of those places suck. So I could see why dancing might be the least of three evils.
The customers are probably nicer at Wal-Mart and not sticking their fingers up her ass, though. It's the customers rather than the boss that she would be dealing with 98% of the time in either situation.
I don't have any ethical qualms with stripping, nor do I think sex workers in general deserve to be marginalized. That said, I'd be dead set against a loved one becoming a stripper -- for more reasons than I'd like to list here, the final result is that too often strippers do undergo some level of trauma, are often emotionally delayed, and are changed for the worse by the experience. Not all of them, but so many that I can't imagine wanting a loved one to go through it.
In fact, when an FBSM girl who I adore wanted to switch to stripping, I put on the full court press to get her to change her mind -- I think FBSM girls, even giving HJs, are just a zillion times happier and better adjusted and in a position to progress their lives, than strippers (again, not putting strippers down as people, but the environment and emotional impact is different). And that accounts the nearly-one-way transitions of strippers become FBSM girls, but almost never the reverse.
I wouldn't be pleased for sure and as previous posters have already mentioned any guy worth being with wouldn't be happy with the sharing, I don't believe that I would ever have any other than professional relationship with a stripper
I would be supportive in jackslash's grandmother's case. The mental stimulation from warding off unwanted ass fingering has been shown in studies to prevent Alzheimer's.
I would oppose any woman that I am close to becoming a stripper. I know that sounds hypocritical, and if it is so be it. But my opposition would be based upon my knowledge of strippers and strip clubs. I know the pressure that strippers are under to do extras, the crap that strippers put up with from management, the horrible way that strippers are treated by some sick customers, and the way that drug usage is so dominant among those involved with strip clubs.
poledancer, didn't you know? This whole forum is loaded with guys who divide women into two categories. They want welfare benefits to be cut so that more women will have no choice but going to strip clubs. This is how they see it. They have wives whom they use to legitimate their male prerogatives. But they have other women whom they are sexually attracted to. And they denigrate these women, describe them as examples of why the poor are morally defective.
Girl I got along with very well at a club in San Mateo had worked at a Victoria's Secret store. She lived with her parents in Walnut Creek, and they thought she still did.
But that was a very softcore club. But once it was known that the City had arranged for the building to be demolished, it started to become like San Francisco. My girl and lots of others quit.
i would like to think that any of my daughters or granddaughters would be fine dancing as long as they don't fall into the black hole... they need to keep a perspective on the eventual goal... even a civie faces temptation...
I would like to think that about my daughters or granddaughters, too. The only issue is that I would be a naive cuck to want them in a situation to have their asses fingered by random strangers on the regular.
If a female important to me had not finalized the decision to become a stripper I'd try to understand and fill the underlying financial gap. If it was a done deal, I'd be supportive and give advice when asked. If she wanted to exit the biz, I'd help financially.
It's not always financial. Sometimes it is rebellion against an oppressive upbringing, other times it's the perception she can travel most anywhere in the world without restraint, other times it is a desire for physical attention, etc.
WetWilly, I agree it's not always financial. However, my general observation is that ladies most often pursue the "job" of dancer because they don't have anyone looking out for them financially. A young woman needs someone to "invest" in her, even covering for teen pregnancy or other early missteps. Lots of folks just don't have anyone stepping up like that for them. I'm just saying I'd be that guy for a female important to me. And for me it's not theory, I've done exactly that.
I doubt I would support it since I believe some dancers develop a mind set where they see men as a tool to get money either through services like dancing or conning them out of money and it could go downhill from there if she got hooked up with the wrong dancers. The wrong dancers for a relative would be involved in escorting or call girl type services or in back rooms in clubs that made money off of 1000 champagne rooms. Most guys aren't going to pay 1000 an hour for a room unless they are either a millionaire and that's like pocket change or they are getting something extra for all that money. In a club, the club owners may want certain girls to entertain the high rollers or whomever they want to make happy or get fired.
I've also heard in some clubs, dancers are bitchy and rude and if a girl made more money than other dancers, she might find her locker stuffed with fish. If certain others outside the club are opposed to the club, she might get followed or cars might get vandalized and the manager on duty might try to blow the whole thing off. If this happens to dancers, do you think customers will feel safe visiting? Lots of extra hassle when others want to cause trouble. On top of that, undercover officers can make accusations and charge anyone with a sex crime if they have a beef with the club. In some large clubs that hire anyone, the dancers have to compete for the guys so much, either they do what the guys want or they barely have enough for tip out and would be better off working minimum wage. There are group dancer lawsuits out there or were out there. It happens. Plus there are further issues that if you want to get loans for a car, house etc, if you want to get the loan you end up having to show proof of income so in that case, you would have to report the income a dancer might have thought would go under the radar and end up not making as much as she thought. The more income she shows, the less subsidies she will get for Obamacare. There are a lot of pitfalls. She will be getting old guys and guys she may not care for hitting on her all the time as well and may need to dance top less or naked for these guys if she wants to have enough cash to pay tipout each night and may leave the club without enough to show for it.
I remember more than once at platinum plus, a club that some had a beef with, some girls didn't have enough to pay the tip out. I saw at least two different dancers set up door alarms by sneaking out and leaving never to show back up again. It's not gauranteed income and harder than some think especially when a large club hires 100 girls and only 75 guys show up. Reasons for not getting into stripping.
Management, club size versus number of customers, etc tip out fees, late arrival fees, rules, police raids, it all adds up to things to figure out rather than hey, I can take off my top and make lots of money. Plus parents and others in the community may not approve if they find out.
If a nice looking girl talked to me and wasn't related to me, I might give her some tips on why it could pay off well. Much better potential pay than anywhere else without a college degree and at least a few years experience. She won't be able to do it when she's a lot older. She might even be able to work a regular job and do dancing as a side job, with the right club management, she will be able to pick which customers she can dance for. She can tell any new guys what her rules are like no touching in covered areas and if the club already has rules in place followed by most customers, it might be fine.
If she knows bouncers have her back in case a customer acts rude or doesn't want to pay, then it might be a good club. However some guys might try to steal sneak pics with their phones. Some dancers all try competing for the same customers in some cases and some get territorial about it. Dancers seem to form alliances with certain other dancers and other dancers become dancers they don't like that much. Maybe it's like high school,not sure. If you work at Folies type of club, anything might go. Might not be good as far as staying protected from stds but if that's no worry, no problem.
Plus if she wasn't trying to get a loan to buy a car or house, most of her stripping income might be in cash and she could save thousands potentially in taxes and a lot in health care premiums. I've heard stories of some dancers not reporting hardly any of their income. I have no idea how many do that. I'm sure the irs and some politicians would love to get a percentage cut of every lap dance etc, champagne room fee, etc, etc.
One con, when it comes to social security income later in life, her lack of reported income will significantly reduce her social security income unless she made up for it later or got married. That is if we still get SS income later in life. Ok this is enough. Pros and cons.
I'd support her ONLY and ONLY to let her know, when things eventually go south and custies and managers want more than she's willing to provide, she has me, the stability, to come back to protect her from the desperation of needing stripper money to survive
I would not want them to and if they asked my opinion I would tell them why they shouldn't. But I would also listen to their reasons for wanting to do it. If it's my daughter's and they need the money, I would fill the financial void so they would not need to. If it was a SO I would want to know why and how I would react would depend on the parameters of our relationship.
Given what I know about strip clubs, those who work there, and those who go there, I would be dead set against it. But, I would remain involved and sympathetic so that she has someone to turn to when the train comes off the tracks.
Picture a strip club populated with all the guys who post here. Now picture your pretty daughter dancing naked in front of them all. If that alone doesn't fill you with terror, then there's a good chance that you're a shitty parent.
Depends on a lot of factors. What is her IQ? education level? Socioeconomic class? Attractiveness? I can see it being the best option for some, at least in the short run.
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I feel bad for one of my favs. Her boyfriend calls her a whore and makes remarks about "how many cocks you suck tonight for that money?" to her. She's one of those rare dance-only girls. Turned down some very of high offers, from me and told me of others. Her boyfriend is an ass to her but she keeps him around. She'd be better off without the negativity as she's actually trying to improve her life. No drugs and is going to school. But again, her life, her choice. I just tell her she's awesome and support her dreams for the future, tell her she's on the right track. If it goes well she'll be done with the club and me in less than a year. I hope she pulls it off.
I'd sooner she work there than at Walmart, TBH. There are also some sexist, hostile bosses in the vanilla world, and the pay in a lot of those places suck. So I could see why dancing might be the least of three evils.
In fact, when an FBSM girl who I adore wanted to switch to stripping, I put on the full court press to get her to change her mind -- I think FBSM girls, even giving HJs, are just a zillion times happier and better adjusted and in a position to progress their lives, than strippers (again, not putting strippers down as people, but the environment and emotional impact is different). And that accounts the nearly-one-way transitions of strippers become FBSM girls, but almost never the reverse.
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Girl I got along with very well at a club in San Mateo had worked at a Victoria's Secret store. She lived with her parents in Walnut Creek, and they thought she still did.
But that was a very softcore club. But once it was known that the City had arranged for the building to be demolished, it started to become like San Francisco. My girl and lots of others quit.
SJG
So you might call it 'rebellion', but i am convinced that this is misquided. Breaking away from the approved path is simply survival.
SJG
I've also heard in some clubs, dancers are bitchy and rude and if a girl made more money than other dancers, she might find her locker stuffed with fish. If certain others outside the club are opposed to the club, she might get followed or cars might get vandalized and the manager on duty might try to blow the whole thing off. If this happens to dancers, do you think customers will feel safe visiting? Lots of extra hassle when others want to cause trouble. On top of that, undercover officers can make accusations and charge anyone with a sex crime if they have a beef with the club. In some large clubs that hire anyone, the dancers have to compete for the guys so much, either they do what the guys want or they barely have enough for tip out and would be better off working minimum wage. There are group dancer lawsuits out there or were out there. It happens. Plus there are further issues that if you want to get loans for a car, house etc, if you want to get the loan you end up having to show proof of income so in that case, you would have to report the income a dancer might have thought would go under the radar and end up not making as much as she thought. The more income she shows, the less subsidies she will get for Obamacare. There are a lot of pitfalls. She will be getting old guys and guys she may not care for hitting on her all the time as well and may need to dance top less or naked for these guys if she wants to have enough cash to pay tipout each night and may leave the club without enough to show for it.
I remember more than once at platinum plus, a club that some had a beef with, some girls didn't have enough to pay the tip out. I saw at least two different dancers set up door alarms by sneaking out and leaving never to show back up again. It's not gauranteed income and harder than some think especially when a large club hires 100 girls and only 75 guys show up. Reasons for not getting into stripping.
Management, club size versus number of customers, etc tip out fees, late arrival fees, rules, police raids, it all adds up to things to figure out rather than hey, I can take off my top and make lots of money. Plus parents and others in the community may not approve if they find out.
If she knows bouncers have her back in case a customer acts rude or doesn't want to pay, then it might be a good club. However some guys might try to steal sneak pics with their phones. Some dancers all try competing for the same customers in some cases and some get territorial about it. Dancers seem to form alliances with certain other dancers and other dancers become dancers they don't like that much. Maybe it's like high school,not sure. If you work at Folies type of club, anything might go. Might not be good as far as staying protected from stds but if that's no worry, no problem.
One con, when it comes to social security income later in life, her lack of reported income will significantly reduce her social security income unless she made up for it later or got married. That is if we still get SS income later in life. Ok this is enough. Pros and cons.
Picture a strip club populated with all the guys who post here. Now picture your pretty daughter dancing naked in front of them all. If that alone doesn't fill you with terror, then there's a good chance that you're a shitty parent.