Fighting Against Christianity

Oh just STFU you sick creep! If you feel so strongly about this why don't you go to some local churches and proclaim your BS? I know, it's because FTF you would never be tolerated and get away with it and you certainly know that to be true!

I am working very hard to be able to effectively do all that I say.

Are you a supporter of Christianity, TheeOSU?

SJG

I am agnostic, you are just a creep! Go tell them to their faces, you don't have the nerve, your just posting your BS here because you would not be tolerated FTF! You know it's true.

TheeOSU, do you think that Christianity has poisoned the waters for any marriages of intimate relationships you have had with women?

Stigmatized the sex?

Made it more about death trap marriages?

Promoted economic competition and having that bleed back into your relationships and poison them?

SJG

I don't think it matters. Luciferians recognize each other and collude even when their stated interests are opposite (e.g., throwing homosexuals off buildings vs. pandering to teh gay)

Building an organization, intended to be very big, designed to slap Christians in the face by promoting what they hate, SEX!

SJG

All i know is that you're a sick creep trolling this board because you can get away with it.

So can we use Luciferianism to shatter Christianity? Sounds like yes!

Among occultists, Luciferianims, known as Left Hand Path ( Tree of Life ), is not really bad.

SJG

So TheeOSU, maybe not just your life, but the social stratum in which you life, is Christianity a positive or a negative, and how?

SJG

Some kinds of occultism draw heavily upon the Bible, and on associated stories, myths, and the minor characters. This sort of stuff tends to defocus, or render safe, Christianity.

SJG

I don't think so. The strategic problem with Luciferianism is that it relies on people who are generally drawn to good not having wised up. The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.

Dude why are you soo myopic about Christianity?!?! Virtually every major organizized religion does not espouse the principles you speak of. If you were that enlightened intellectual that you pretend to be then you would undetstand that basic fact.

Fucking asswipe is so miserable and lonely any attention he gets just encourages him complete and total douche.

Hey I have an idea! How about you post your first strip club review to make your offering to the TUSCL gods!

Excellent Book: amazon.com

Talks about Transformations of Nihilism, page 15

Here we go, full text on line sites.williams.edu

Deals with the Rudolph Steiner approach to Luciferianism youtube.com

SJG

1. Interesting that you mention Judism. Isn't it in some ways more restrictive in its teachings than mainline Protestantism?

2. I do find some of the Jewish teachings particularly useful, especially in regards to marriage and husband and wife roles. In some ways I find the instruction and emphasis in Judiasm a little better than mainland Protestantism (Christianity).

3. I think (IMO, of course) that we need to mention the debate needs to call out Born Again Christians (aka evangelicals) and how the debate has changed.

4. Since President Carter (Democrat), who first identified during the 1976 race as Born Again, brought all of this into the political arena. The President Reagan (Republican) took the evangelical ball and ran with it.

5. It is the Born Again aka Evangelical vote, I think that we associate with the Christian Right.

6. But I think more than that the Politicians use the Christian vote as a "cheap date." I am starting to think that the politicians do not intend (at the Federal level) of rolling back pro choice, or rolling back gay marriage. If they "give" those things they can keep promising those things: again and again. Plus it's not like these things cost money. They don't need to raise taxes nor increase spending. So in that effect, the prolifers and the DOMAs are a "cheap date."

That helps me rationalize supporting the GOP now that I see it for what it is. They are using them. Smart. Which is important to me as so much of the anti abortion and anti woman and anti gay is hurtful to people who are important to me. That (along with invasion of Iraq) was why I briefly left the GOP.

Back on topic, I think basically the message of Christianity is a good one. Accept Jesus in your heart. That's how forgiveness and salvation works.

The Church does need some reflection though. They over emphasize Jesus as the Lamb and fail to teach Jesus as the Lion. I think this is alienating to young men.

"Dude why are you soo myopic about Christianity?!?! Virtually every major organizized religion does not espouse the principles you speak of. If you were that enlightened intellectual that you pretend to be then you would undetstand that basic fact."

Yes, I am trying to figure out the best way to attack Christianity. I know the things I am suggesting are in opposition. Religion is responsible for most all of the suffering in the world.

SJG

@SJG, a core tenet of Christianity is empathizing with others, while a core tenet of Luciferianism is using any available means of wielding power over others to the others' detriment.

If you really want to get to the bottom of this, check out Paul Zak's TED talk on the moral molecule:

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1. "Isn't it in some ways more restrictive in its teachings than mainline Protestantism? "

Yes, but I really meant specifically Jewish Kabbalah. But there are also strengths worth understanding, in Judaism.

1. Well yes, we could have debates, and with Born Agains, but what do we want to offer instead?

2. What it really is is that the Evangelicals dumped Carter and ran with Reagan.

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"It is the Born Again aka Evangelical vote, I think that we associate with the Christian Right. "

Yes, but I am also making a broader attack against Christianity as it still promotes social conformity, and that means being an Uncle Tom.

1. Yes, this is true. They pointed this out about Reagan too. But the problems run deeper than these wedge issues. Because of Christianity, people refuse to support progressive reforms, they refuse to attack.

Yes, the GOP uses Christians. But that Christians vote is why we lack far more progressive reforms. I am involved in ground level politics daily. Christians don't attack the status quo.

About your idea about the GOP using Christians: amazon.com

"Back on topic, I think basically the message of Christianity is a good one. Accept Jesus in your heart. That's how forgiveness and salvation works. "

But this makes a whole bunch of assumptions, like that the hearer is somehow deficient in his thinking and is somehow against Jesus. But how could this be, does the sun not shine on him. All it really comes down to is telling people to stop fighting back and conform. This is the quintessential Uncle Tom.

"The Church does need some reflection though. They over emphasize Jesus as the Lamb and fail to teach Jesus as the Lion. I think this is alienating to young men."

Martin Luther said that the Pope was the Anti-Christ. He was only able to see half of the problem. Christ and Christianity are diametric opposites.

Christians basically means 'Christ Groupies". This is how it was used at Antioch.

So how would you get back to Christ? Destroy Christianity! And one of the ways of doing this would be to shatter Christianity into a million pieces.

SJG

"core tenet of Christianity is empathizing with others, while a core tenet of Luciferianism is using any available means of wielding power over others to the others' detriment."

^^^^^^^ That sounds more like Ayn Randers. It is also what Alan White calls 'radical nihilism', as opposed to 'completed nihilism'.

Dion Fortune called that 'positive evil', and she warned us against it.

And that is not how Rudolph Steiner and his followers see Luciferianism, or the Left Hand Path of the Tree of Life, really complete opposite.

Don't take stuff like the 'Church of Satan' seriously. It is 70% just silliness and shock value, and 30% fascism, and also close to Ayn Rand.

When people like Kenneth Grant and his London OTO / Typhonian Order worked with Set / Seth, it was never this 'positive evil'.

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SJG

Ayn Randism is also on the autism spectrum. It is against empathy and for materialism.

ppwh --> "while a core tenet of Luciferianism is using any available means of wielding power over others to the others' detriment."

Yes, correct. That is what I understand from LeVeyan Satanism and Crowley Satanism.

I would also recommend Satanic International Network (S.I.N., cute eh?) channel on YouTube. They guy often rambles but I find a number of his videos entertaining. Didn't President Reagan say "greed is good?" I know, I know. It's out of context.

SJG, you're one strange guy. Who ever heard of Christians bombing, executing and torturing innocent people.

Not going to talk about autism, but of course we want to stay away from Ayn Rand.

And from Anthroposophy, Luciferianism has nothing to do with materialism or Ayn Rand.

"Who ever heard of Christians bombing, executing and torturing innocent people."

Most of our last 2000 years of war were waged by Christians. And more people we killed in Christian religious wars bar far than by all the Roman Persecutions combined, from Will and Ariel.

SJG

The value of Ayn Rand is that she autisticly refutes her fellow autists on the left.

I'm not religious. I like to fancy myself as materialistic as they come, actually. But I will say that I do admire the core Christian set of ethics. At least what they are supposed to be: compassion, love and all that. Many of the nicest people I have met are Christian (and/or Scandinavian :-) ).

ppwh: "Ayn Randism is also on the autism spectrum."

I highly doubt that. My guess would be narcissistic + a bit of borderline (witness the rape theme in her novels and her main character Dominique slice and dicing herself for Roark in the Fountainhead).

Someone on an autism board explained it once: there are four types of empathy, not just one. Wish I could remember what the four were. I'll have to look that one up.

Being Christian is not an issue in my opinion. The Christian way is to turn the other cheek. Not to attack. Treat others as you would like to be treated. This does not hurt people. It is those people who hide behind the Christian label before going on the attack that can hurt others and shut down strip clubs. I call them evangelical or those on some kind of crusade. They are the ones fighting which is not actually Christian in my opinion. SJG is on some kind of crusade so he is just like those others on a crusade. Just a different side of the same coin. Me, I'm not on any crusade. I like the fact that there are a lot of people living the Christian way helping others and are nice. If everyone was cutthroat and ready to con you at a moments notice, it would be a rougher world to live in if everyone was out to get you like SJG because people someone like him thinks you are on the hit list whenever you become expendable it would be bad world. I think Isis and terrorists think like that. Everyone who doesn't follow their religion is ok to attack. Stupid and wrong. This kind of thinking is the problem.

I can't fix the grammar on that one. Oh well.

I agree with sharkhunter.

Good grammar or not, very nice post, shark!

IMO, the holy grail would be to arrive a Christian ethics but starting with a materialistic world view. Marxism was a sort of a step in that direction.

I have never spent one minute of my life as a Christian, but having said that I'd rather become a disciple than have a beer with SJG. You're a nitwit. By the way moron given the fact that between Hitler, Stalin and mao, 100 million people were killed and none were killed based on any christian belief. They had beliefs similar to yours.

^ SLAM DUNK!

So... strip clubs?

^yeeeaaah....religious discussions on tuscl, fun stuff

Now I'm not going to talk about autism, as it is a myth. amazon.com

These three authors are as emphatic as anyone could be, "Autism does not exist".

You show me a case of autism, and I'll show you a case of mind fucking and medical child abuse, and I'll bring the handcuffs.

About Ayn Rand, I am completely opposed to that. And most of Satanism, like Anton LaVey's Church of Satan is like that, it's fascism. So of course I don't go along with it.

But some of it LaVey's stuff is, as it is intended to be, entertaining.

Susan Atkins, San Francisco Stripper

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Alan White talks about 3 stages of nihilism, Religious Nihilism, Radical Nihilism, and Complete Nihilism. We want to be getting to this 3rd stage.

Start at page 15, you will not be disappointed.

Most religion is at stage 1. Ayn Rand, Church of Satan, and Dougster are at stage 2.

And yes, Dougster with his covert Ayn Rand support, to be spread with a layer of Christianist Ethics, what a nightmare. Dougster is Rosemary's Baby grown into an adult. He didn't sell his soul, he never had one.

And no, we don't want to be building our economy, our ethics, or corporations, on Neuroscience. That would just be another technology of manipulation and control. We need to fight against that, and before the Dougster's figure out how to apply it. It would be another example of stage 2 and Ayn Randism.

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So to take down Christianity, or at least to atomize it, and neutralize it, do we go to things like atheism or humanism? Do we just replace it with nothing, and expect people to accept this?

I say, we put out a whole slate of occult, esoteric, and eastern teachings. This does not eradicate Christiana, but it shatters it.

Valentine Tomberg, with Rudolph Steiner's Anthroposophical Society, some awesome excursions into Christian Esotericism

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And you can start reading right here, first chapter: theosnet.net

fhab.org

Key Martinist Documents here: en.wikipedia.org

And with Steiner, most people start with this: sacred-texts.com

And about correctly understanding Luciferianism: youtube.com

And I would also point out, anyone who has at all looked at Pentecostalism should be able to see that it too is an occult teaching, one based on fear. It is not a very good occult teaching, not good at all.

SJG

Talking about the Tree of Life. Flips to that page in his presentation drawings.

Kabbalah and Neo-Platonism very similar. youtu.be

Three Pillars, Mercy, Severity, and the Middle Pillar.

Three different types of spiritual beings.

Left Hand Pillar, spiritual beings who don't care much for the physical world, see it as a place of suffering.

Beings of light. The leader called "Lucifer", beings are "Luciferic"

Got confused with Satan.

Anyway, want to stay on the middle pillar.

amazon.com

SJG

Will be reading soon:

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SJG

For the most part this hole thread SJG :TLDR

I just want to say If you want to attempt putting together your own little cult or oppressive religion to 'replace Christianity' and its oppresion- go for it. I'm all in favor of it SO LONG AS IT RESULTS IN THE MARTYRDOM OF THE FOUNDER. * read SJG not FOUNDER LOL

"attempt putting together your own little cult or oppressive religion to 'replace Christianity' and its oppresion-"

NO!

Am building my own group, but it is not to replace Christianity. That would be too hard, as the epidemic is so wide spread.

Rather, my group just runs by itself, people who want it. Not very big.

As far as fighting Christianity, that will be by promoting a whole spectrum of occult thinking. Really, this has already been going on for 2000 years.

Recommend: youtube.com

SJG

You are missing the point SJG. Many of us here look forward to the date of your 'martyrdom'

That wasn't missed.

SJG

SJG flew over the cuckoo's nest.

For each person that we can steer away from Christianity, we are that much closer to the day when just by punching out chads in ballot cards, that we can have the heavenly paradise here on earth.

What makes this especially so are just the industrial advances of the 20th Century.

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en.wikipedia.org

But the issue is, how do we steer them away from Christianity. Besides of course offering them free flowing sex, what else do we offer them?

SJG

News Flash: Steve Bannon was influenced by the notorious fascist occultists Julius Evola and Rene Guenon, and related groups of reactionary Catholics.

democracynow.org

[Talk Gnosis] An Introduction to Martinism youtube.com

[Talk Gnosis] Martinism & Gnosticism youtube.com

Dominic77 wrote, "Back on topic, I think basically the message of Christianity is a good one. Accept Jesus in your heart. That's how forgiveness and salvation works. "

No! That is bad theology, carrot and stick theology, away of breaking the will and spirit of children.

It is why Christians vote to keep the movers and shakers in power, and to support economic harvesting.

When these Christians are less in number, things will change.

SJG

Christianity is the Anti-Christ. We need something to offer people instead of Christianity. It has to be something like a methadone program.

We can't expect people simply to pledge allegiance to the revolution. If we expect that, then it will be like it was for Maximilien Robespierre, using the guillotine so hard each day that each night he has to go out and re-sharpen it. Beyond a point that does not work.

Most people are not sufficiently conscious for democracy to work, not yet. So we have to offer them something.

SJG

Founder Joost R. Ritman about the collection of The Ritman Library ( subtitles ) youtube.com

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san-jose-guy’s socialist utopia is always just a few million more corpses away.

in his psycho dreams. lolololololol

i gotta admit. fuck. even overwhelming. our world population is increasing at seven fold every 100 years... 7 billion now. it was 1 billion 100 years ago. times 7 in the next one hundred years. 49 BILLION? really? fuck. how the heck are we gonna feed them? and water????..... housing itself will be quite a challenge in itself.

use a condom if you aren't snipped (as i am.).

maybe a good thing that our sperm count is down ( at least in the usa and europe.) we need almost ZERO worldwide. aside from the horrible effects of war and disease... we need mucho less pregnancies.

Christianity is a huge part of the problem.

Religion is the cause of most all world problems.

SJG

much rather have less pregnancy. we certainly don't want war and disease. fuck... get sterilized. no more babies.

no doubt sjguy. religion. we need to learn to get along and tolerate each other. and take a realistic approach on growth. ZERO GROWTH.

hey san_jose_guy be honest with yourself for once. they stripped you of your youth pastor position after you molested those girls and then excommunicated you because you’re a psycho rapist. don’t blame Christianity. look in the mirror

Christianity teaches people to seek pity, as well as to keep the pews and collection plate full. It teaches people to accept hierarchy, and to pay for it.

SJG

we're all pitying you san_jose_guy and i am praying extra hard that you see the light soon. go toward the light san_jose_guy. go toward the light

SJG, what line of work are you in? I know you have a physics background, but what is the work you do that applies your physics education?

Sorry, my f2f life is private, as I have political responsibilities.

SJG

@SJG, I find it hard to believe that you don't find Ayn Rand at least a little bit autistic. I mean, who couldn't?

You're this first person I have ever encountered who talks about autism in that way. The medical and psychiatric community don't use the term that way. Ayn Rand and her followers are dangerous sociopaths, just like out covert Ayn Rand follower Dougster.

Autism is a concept used to exonerate the perpetrators of child abuse. Abusive parents don't cause autism, because autism does not exist. But I do believe that there is something we might call "Maternal Hatred Syndrome".

So though I disagree with you, I am not saying that your connecting of these two things is totally without merit. I would also say of this Paul Zak, that he is also as malicious as the people who believe in autism.

SJG

It's not something I made up. Some scientists have researched it:

autismresearchcentre.com

Yes I see. I would consider that part of the fallacy of Autism.

In part I have come to this view by reading the writings of those who have become convinced that they suffer from this Autism. Like John Elder Robison and Nick Dubin.

They show me by their own writing that none of the things they say about Autism / Aspergers could possibly be true.

But they also show me that they have a huge investment in not facing the truth, about the abusive families and schools and work environments they have endured. It is not that these caused them to have autism, as that would be impossible as autism does not exist. But these abuses clearly have made them doubt themselves and made them more susceptible to further abuses and manipulations.

SJG

Wait a second, I thought I was a dangerous psychopath, now I'm being downgraded to a mere dangerous sociopath? Guess I gotta step my evil up a notch.

sjguy. quote: "Religion is the cause of most all world problems."

the problem is not so much 'religion'.... it is greed. more money. more power. more control.

@Justme62, don't forget to add "Status" to that list. The Soviets (all Utopiasts, really) forgot about that one, too.

good point sir.

First and only point I have to contribute to this conversation, I believe, your faith is between you and your deity whomever it may be it really is no one else's business,. Any way here goes; do you people arguing about the word of god and the meaning of scripture realize that the Bible was written by a minority group, that had been conquered by one military superpower, after another, so they're highly suspicious of empires built on wealth and weapons because they've been on the receiving end of so much horrific violence, and one other point arguing with atheists, the Bible is notable as Doubt is part of the biblical narrative, Jesus is said to have cried out on the cross "My God, My God, why has thou forsaken me?" Now carry on I personally am Jewish and hold some similar and some different beliefs.

Very good points, @twentyfive. In often wondered if the various controlling powers could have (over 20 centuries) resisted the urge to "editorialize" for control purposes (add, remove, or change parts.). I think the temptation NOT to do so, is far too tempting. I digress.

I don't recall verses in the Bible where when people questioned Jesus about God and His response was, "because it's written in the Bible, that's just the way it is, end of story." Instead Jesus would use his superior intellect to reason with the men or tell a parable or illustration of his point. Isaiah 1:18 KJV "come now, let us reason together."

^^^Not just the New Testament, how about the story of the Ten Commandments in the Old Testament the built a golden calf to worship and Moses threw a temper tantrum and smashed the original tablets. Yes sir doubt and atheism are a theme that runs thru scripture.

The Bible is a unique and irreplaceable document. But it is always a mistake to take even one word of it in a prescriptive manner.

SJG

^^^As usual You know the truth and nobody else knows a thing, don't you ever get tired of just being wrong?

25, as usual, having a temper tantrum.

SJG

^^^thats ridiculous and fucking funny at the same time.

Webvan on its way:

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SJG

Jennifer L. Hochschild amazon.com

Jennifer L. Hochschild is not related to Arlie or Adam

This book is in high demand and I think well worth reading to understand the dire plight our nation is in: amazon.com amazon.com

en.wikipedia.org

And SJG many here have offered to help with your anal fixation why don't you take them up on it.

Hang in their 25, the webvan will be there soon, and then you can settle down.

SJG

Left Hand Path, the Luciferic

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SJG

They reject The Family, with their vows of chastity. But for the vast majority of their religious they still get an equal share of the inheritance money, because they know how to butter up parents.

So that money all goes to the religious orders.

And then of course the original reason for chastity was to prevent clergy from trying to accumulate wealth and get control of church properties and pass them on to heirs.

So it is always rejecting while at the same time brown nosing to get the money.

SJG

One of the saddest quotes I have read was one from Thích Nhất Hạnh from an interview with Oprah:

"In the excerpt, she asks him if he has regrets — if the Nobel-nominated, quiet Buddhist monk ever contemplates a path that might have held a wife, children. And the answer reassured me:

"Yes, he answered. Walking once, he saw a beautiful young woman, w/ a lovely child, and thought for a moment — if I were not a monk, I might have had a wife and child like that."

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Celibacy in the Roman Catholic Church, and all of their ideas about sex, are based on total dishonesty.

SJG

PPWH's post is very good.

SJG

^^^Every thing that you post is dishonest you refuse to answer any questions about your background and expect everyone to accept your answers on faith , not only are you dishonest you are full of shit. Go ahead try to respond to that with your anal ducking fantasy.

I used to think twentyfive was just taking babies to strip clubs. Now I see that twentyfive IS nothing but a big baby himself.

tuscl.net

SJG

A Modern Gnostic View on the Purpose of Life youtube.com

"Man is a rope stretched between the animal and the Overman -- a rope over an abyss."

hey san_jose_guy you stupid lying dickhead. how could you post on my thread about you raping women in their sleep if you have me on ignore? lying fucking troll

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Yes, occultism, which can involve some element of Christian occult, is the way to fight Christianity.

So it does not need to be all pagan or all anti-Christian like Aliester Crowley.

SJG

Was approached by a woman who wanted to tell me about "God's Kingdom". I asked her to elaborate and she told me about how all bad things like poverty, disease, and addiction would be gone.

I told her that that sounds like opium.

The reason for this is that it is telling people to wait instead of politically organize.

She was hispanic and did not know what opium meant. So I said that it sounded like heroin.

That she understood. So she handed me a booklet, Jehovah's Witnesses.

I looked through it, pure heroin, because it doesn't want people to fight to bring about this good world, it wants people to focus on their own salvation status by waiting.

The woman told me that she takes care of some relative, and then she has time for preaching. She feels that this preaching "helps" people.

How does it help them, unless you believe that they are damned?

Usually this taking care of a relative is by the relative getting county money for a carer, and the carer getting certified so that they can get that money. Sometimes then the money is given back to the disabled person, as there is a rent agreement underneath it.

But suffice to say, this woman is on the economic margins, as are most of the people she is trying to "help". But even though they are on the margins, these people are not willing to politically organize and fight for social democracy, because of this fear based 'faith'.

Heroin! Opium!

This woman was not that nice looking, and now age was compounding this, so she would not be attracting men. So undoubtedly her life revolves around this care taking, around her proselytizing, and around the JW church.

Heroin! Opium!

It is very said that we have this kind of a world.

I read the booklet and it explains that this Kingdom will come after "God removes all the bad people."

Yes, we can have a beautiful world, but only after all the Christians die off. Or at least, we have to find some way to neutralize Christianity.

SJG

Wendy Brown lectures at Holy Cross on "Cultures of Capital Enhancement" youtube.com

Wendy Brown: How Neoliberalism Threatens Democracy. We all need to understand this, if we are to fight the Dougster's and the Mark94's youtube.com

Capital in the Twenty-First Century, Thomas Picketty amazon.com

I'm a bit new to this, but maybe this SEIU is more radical than the AFL-CIO. and SEIU local 1000 represents workers for California state. en.wikipedia.org