Fighting Against Christianity
san_jose_guy
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So we know that we can have the heavenly paradise here on earth. All we need to do is out vote the Christians.
https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=5072…
Now Christians are dying every single day. But Christianity is recruiting replacements.
So how do we interdict this recruiting, how do we talk people out of Christianity?
Do we come up with a serious anti-Christian message, and what type?
1. Hard atheism
2. Agnostic
3. Humanist?
In Christian Churches they usually pray for Christian unity. But we know from Frances Fox-Piven, that most Protestant denominations have at least two conferences, because abolitionists were able to split them, and those splits still continue to this day.
So how about trying to promote molecularization of Christianity, shattering of Christianity? How do we do this, neutralize it make it safe. What do we offer?
1. Esoteric, Gnostic, or Occult Christianity, like Martinism, Rudolf Steiner, Nag Hammadi text inspired? Golden Dawn, Dion Fortune, Eliphas Levi, Dion Fortune, Paul Foster Case?
2. Aleister Crowley anti-Christian OTO occultism?
3. Satanism, Church of Satan, Temple of Set, Modern Church of Satan, Satanic Temple?
4. More modern OTO and Typhonian Order, Set, Sex Magick, Tantra, Nema Maat Magick, Kenneth Grant, Jack Parsons?
5. Rosicrucianism, of various types, Theosophy, Jewish Kabbalah?
How about we use all of these things, as the idea is to create plurality and break down identification systems?
SJG
https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=5072…
Now Christians are dying every single day. But Christianity is recruiting replacements.
So how do we interdict this recruiting, how do we talk people out of Christianity?
Do we come up with a serious anti-Christian message, and what type?
1. Hard atheism
2. Agnostic
3. Humanist?
In Christian Churches they usually pray for Christian unity. But we know from Frances Fox-Piven, that most Protestant denominations have at least two conferences, because abolitionists were able to split them, and those splits still continue to this day.
So how about trying to promote molecularization of Christianity, shattering of Christianity? How do we do this, neutralize it make it safe. What do we offer?
1. Esoteric, Gnostic, or Occult Christianity, like Martinism, Rudolf Steiner, Nag Hammadi text inspired? Golden Dawn, Dion Fortune, Eliphas Levi, Dion Fortune, Paul Foster Case?
2. Aleister Crowley anti-Christian OTO occultism?
3. Satanism, Church of Satan, Temple of Set, Modern Church of Satan, Satanic Temple?
4. More modern OTO and Typhonian Order, Set, Sex Magick, Tantra, Nema Maat Magick, Kenneth Grant, Jack Parsons?
5. Rosicrucianism, of various types, Theosophy, Jewish Kabbalah?
How about we use all of these things, as the idea is to create plurality and break down identification systems?
SJG
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If you feel so strongly about this why don't you go to some local churches and proclaim your BS? I know, it's because FTF you would never be tolerated and get away with it and you certainly know that to be true!
Are you a supporter of Christianity, TheeOSU?
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Stigmatized the sex?
Made it more about death trap marriages?
Promoted economic competition and having that bleed back into your relationships and poison them?
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Among occultists, Luciferianims, known as Left Hand Path ( Tree of Life ), is not really bad.
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https://www.amazon.com/Within-Nietzsches…
Talks about Transformations of Nihilism, page 15
Here we go, full text on line
http://sites.williams.edu/awhite/files/2…
Deals with the Rudolph Steiner approach to Luciferianism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coZFqcGk…
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2. I do find some of the Jewish teachings particularly useful, especially in regards to marriage and husband and wife roles. In some ways I find the instruction and emphasis in Judiasm a little better than mainland Protestantism (Christianity).
3. I think (IMO, of course) that we need to mention the debate needs to call out Born Again Christians (aka evangelicals) and how the debate has changed.
4. Since President Carter (Democrat), who first identified during the 1976 race as Born Again, brought all of this into the political arena. The President Reagan (Republican) took the evangelical ball and ran with it.
5. It is the Born Again aka Evangelical vote, I think that we associate with the Christian Right.
6. But I think more than that the Politicians use the Christian vote as a "cheap date." I am starting to think that the politicians do not intend (at the Federal level) of rolling back pro choice, or rolling back gay marriage. If they "give" those things they can keep promising those things: again and again. Plus it's not like these things cost money. They don't need to raise taxes nor increase spending. So in that effect, the prolifers and the DOMAs are a "cheap date."
That helps me rationalize supporting the GOP now that I see it for what it is. They are using them. Smart. Which is important to me as so much of the anti abortion and anti woman and anti gay is hurtful to people who are important to me. That (along with invasion of Iraq) was why I briefly left the GOP.
Back on topic, I think basically the message of Christianity is a good one. Accept Jesus in your heart. That's how forgiveness and salvation works.
The Church does need some reflection though. They over emphasize Jesus as the Lamb and fail to teach Jesus as the Lion. I think this is alienating to young men.
Yes, I am trying to figure out the best way to attack Christianity. I know the things I am suggesting are in opposition. Religion is responsible for most all of the suffering in the world.
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If you really want to get to the bottom of this, check out Paul Zak's TED talk on the moral molecule:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFAdlU2E…
Yes, but I really meant specifically Jewish Kabbalah. But there are also strengths worth understanding, in Judaism.
3. Well yes, we could have debates, and with Born Agains, but what do we want to offer instead?
4. What it really is is that the Evangelicals dumped Carter and ran with Reagan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gf4jN1x…
"It is the Born Again aka Evangelical vote, I think that we associate with the Christian Right. "
Yes, but I am also making a broader attack against Christianity as it still promotes social conformity, and that means being an Uncle Tom.
6. Yes, this is true. They pointed this out about Reagan too. But the problems run deeper than these wedge issues. Because of Christianity, people refuse to support progressive reforms, they refuse to attack.
Yes, the GOP uses Christians. But that Christians vote is why we lack far more progressive reforms. I am involved in ground level politics daily. Christians don't attack the status quo.
About your idea about the GOP using Christians:
https://www.amazon.com/Whats-Matter-Kans…
"Back on topic, I think basically the message of Christianity is a good one. Accept Jesus in your heart. That's how forgiveness and salvation works. "
But this makes a whole bunch of assumptions, like that the hearer is somehow deficient in his thinking and is somehow against Jesus. But how could this be, does the sun not shine on him. All it really comes down to is telling people to stop fighting back and conform. This is the quintessential Uncle Tom.
"The Church does need some reflection though. They over emphasize Jesus as the Lamb and fail to teach Jesus as the Lion. I think this is alienating to young men."
Martin Luther said that the Pope was the Anti-Christ. He was only able to see half of the problem. Christ and Christianity are diametric opposites.
Christians basically means 'Christ Groupies". This is how it was used at Antioch.
So how would you get back to Christ? Destroy Christianity! And one of the ways of doing this would be to shatter Christianity into a million pieces.
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^^^^^^^ That sounds more like Ayn Randers. It is also what Alan White calls 'radical nihilism', as opposed to 'completed nihilism'.
Dion Fortune called that 'positive evil', and she warned us against it.
And that is not how Rudolph Steiner and his followers see Luciferianism, or the Left Hand Path of the Tree of Life, really complete opposite.
Don't take stuff like the 'Church of Satan' seriously. It is 70% just silliness and shock value, and 30% fascism, and also close to Ayn Rand.
When people like Kenneth Grant and his London OTO / Typhonian Order worked with Set / Seth, it was never this 'positive evil'.
https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Lord-Lovecra…
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Yes, correct. That is what I understand from LeVeyan Satanism and Crowley Satanism.
I would also recommend Satanic International Network (S.I.N., cute eh?) channel on YouTube. They guy often rambles but I find a number of his videos entertaining. Didn't President Reagan say "greed is good?" I know, I know. It's out of context.
And from Anthroposophy, Luciferianism has nothing to do with materialism or Ayn Rand.
"Who ever heard of Christians bombing, executing and torturing innocent people."
Most of our last 2000 years of war were waged by Christians. And more people we killed in Christian religious wars bar far than by all the Roman Persecutions combined, from Will and Ariel.
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I highly doubt that. My guess would be narcissistic + a bit of borderline (witness the rape theme in her novels and her main character Dominique slice and dicing herself for Roark in the Fountainhead).
Someone on an autism board explained it once: there are four types of empathy, not just one. Wish I could remember what the four were. I'll have to look that one up.
IMO, the holy grail would be to arrive a Christian ethics but starting with a materialistic world view. Marxism was a sort of a step in that direction.
SLAM DUNK!
https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Autism-Medic…
These three authors are as emphatic as anyone could be, "Autism does not exist".
You show me a case of autism, and I'll show you a case of mind fucking and medical child abuse, and I'll bring the handcuffs.
About Ayn Rand, I am completely opposed to that. And most of Satanism, like Anton LaVey's Church of Satan is like that, it's fascism. So of course I don't go along with it.
But some of it LaVey's stuff is, as it is intended to be, entertaining.
Susan Atkins, San Francisco Stripper
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236…
http://illuminatiwatcher.com/wp-content/…
Alan White talks about 3 stages of nihilism, Religious Nihilism, Radical Nihilism, and Complete Nihilism. We want to be getting to this 3rd stage.
Start at page 15, you will not be disappointed.
Most religion is at stage 1. Ayn Rand, Church of Satan, and Dougster are at stage 2.
And yes, Dougster with his covert Ayn Rand support, to be spread with a layer of Christianist Ethics, what a nightmare. Dougster is Rosemary's Baby grown into an adult. He didn't sell his soul, he never had one.
And no, we don't want to be building our economy, our ethics, or corporations, on Neuroscience. That would just be another technology of manipulation and control. We need to fight against that, and before the Dougster's figure out how to apply it. It would be another example of stage 2 and Ayn Randism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_J._Za…
So to take down Christianity, or at least to atomize it, and neutralize it, do we go to things like atheism or humanism? Do we just replace it with nothing, and expect people to accept this?
I say, we put out a whole slate of occult, esoteric, and eastern teachings. This does not eradicate Christiana, but it shatters it.
Valentine Tomberg, with Rudolph Steiner's Anthroposophical Society, some awesome excursions into Christian Esotericism
https://www.amazon.com/Christ-Sophia-Ant…
https://www.amazon.com/Meditations-Tarot…
And you can start reading right here, first chapter:
http://theosnet.net/dzyan/miscpubs/Medit…
http://www.fhab.org/valentin-tomberg
Key Martinist Documents here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martinism
And with Steiner, most people start with this:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/khw/inde…
And about correctly understanding Luciferianism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coZFqcGk…
And I would also point out, anyone who has at all looked at Pentecostalism should be able to see that it too is an occult teaching, one based on fear. It is not a very good occult teaching, not good at all.
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Kabbalah and Neo-Platonism very similar.
https://youtu.be/coZFqcGkN68?t=20m33s
Three Pillars, Mercy, Severity, and the Middle Pillar.
Three different types of spiritual beings.
Left Hand Pillar, spiritual beings who don't care much for the physical world, see it as a place of suffering.
Beings of light. The leader called "Lucifer", beings are "Luciferic"
Got confused with Satan.
Anyway, want to stay on the middle pillar.
https://www.amazon.com/Middle-Pillar-Bal…
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https://www.amazon.com/Somebody-Elses-Ch…
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I just want to say If you want to attempt putting together your own little cult or oppressive religion to 'replace Christianity' and its oppresion- go for it. I'm all in favor of it SO LONG AS IT RESULTS IN THE MARTYRDOM OF THE FOUNDER. * read SJG not FOUNDER LOL
NO!
Am building my own group, but it is not to replace Christianity. That would be too hard, as the epidemic is so wide spread.
Rather, my group just runs by itself, people who want it. Not very big.
As far as fighting Christianity, that will be by promoting a whole spectrum of occult thinking. Really, this has already been going on for 2000 years.
Recommend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coZFqcGk…
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What makes this especially so are just the industrial advances of the 20th Century.
https://www.amazon.com/Critical-Path-Buc…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_P…
But the issue is, how do we steer them away from Christianity. Besides of course offering them free flowing sex, what else do we offer them?
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News Flash: Steve Bannon was influenced by the notorious fascist occultists Julius Evola and Rene Guenon, and related groups of reactionary Catholics.
https://www.democracynow.org/2017/7/26/j…
[Talk Gnosis] An Introduction to Martinism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEu3TIjf…
[Talk Gnosis] Martinism & Gnosticism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZz7z784…
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No! That is bad theology, carrot and stick theology, away of breaking the will and spirit of children.
It is why Christians vote to keep the movers and shakers in power, and to support economic harvesting.
When these Christians are less in number, things will change.
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We can't expect people simply to pledge allegiance to the revolution. If we expect that, then it will be like it was for Maximilien Robespierre, using the guillotine so hard each day that each night he has to go out and re-sharpen it. Beyond a point that does not work.
Most people are not sufficiently conscious for democracy to work, not yet. So we have to offer them something.
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Founder Joost R. Ritman about the collection of The Ritman Library ( subtitles )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQVNjxc3…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leujBsmz…
in his psycho dreams. lolololololol
use a condom if you aren't snipped (as i am.).
Religion is the cause of most all world problems.
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Autism is a concept used to exonerate the perpetrators of child abuse. Abusive parents don't cause autism, because autism does not exist. But I do believe that there is something we might call "Maternal Hatred Syndrome".
So though I disagree with you, I am not saying that your connecting of these two things is totally without merit. I would also say of this Paul Zak, that he is also as malicious as the people who believe in autism.
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https://www.autismresearchcentre.com/pro…
In part I have come to this view by reading the writings of those who have become convinced that they suffer from this Autism. Like John Elder Robison and Nick Dubin.
They show me by their own writing that none of the things they say about Autism / Aspergers could possibly be true.
But they also show me that they have a huge investment in not facing the truth, about the abusive families and schools and work environments they have endured. It is not that these caused them to have autism, as that would be impossible as autism does not exist. But these abuses clearly have made them doubt themselves and made them more susceptible to further abuses and manipulations.
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the problem is not so much 'religion'.... it is greed. more money. more power. more control.
Any way here goes; do you people arguing about the word of god and the meaning of scripture realize that the Bible was written by a minority group, that had been conquered by one military superpower, after another, so they're highly suspicious of empires built on wealth and weapons because they've been on the receiving end of so much horrific violence, and one other point arguing with atheists, the Bible is notable as Doubt is part of the biblical narrative, Jesus is said to have cried out on the cross "My God, My God, why has thou forsaken me?"
Now carry on I personally am Jewish and hold some similar and some different beliefs.
I don't recall verses in the Bible where when people questioned Jesus about God and His response was, "because it's written in the Bible, that's just the way it is, end of story." Instead Jesus would use his superior intellect to reason with the men or tell a parable or illustration of his point. Isaiah 1:18 KJV "come now, let us reason together."
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Jennifer L. Hochschild
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de…
Jennifer L. Hochschild is not related to Arlie or Adam
This book is in high demand and I think well worth reading to understand the dire plight our nation is in:
https://www.amazon.com/Strangers-Their-O…
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Par…
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny7jrcNp…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afUQOkDw…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B21CpjLM…
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So that money all goes to the religious orders.
And then of course the original reason for chastity was to prevent clergy from trying to accumulate wealth and get control of church properties and pass them on to heirs.
So it is always rejecting while at the same time brown nosing to get the money.
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"In the excerpt, she asks him if he has regrets — if the Nobel-nominated, quiet Buddhist monk ever contemplates a path that might have held a wife, children. And the answer reassured me:
"Yes, he answered. Walking once, he saw a beautiful young woman, w/ a lovely child, and thought for a moment — if I were not a monk, I might have had a wife and child like that."
http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/begi…
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https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=5083…
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A Modern Gnostic View on the Purpose of Life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nHZTpW3…
"Man is a rope stretched between the animal and the Overman -- a rope over an abyss."
https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=5100…
So it does not need to be all pagan or all anti-Christian like Aliester Crowley.
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I told her that that sounds like opium.
The reason for this is that it is telling people to wait instead of politically organize.
She was hispanic and did not know what opium meant. So I said that it sounded like heroin.
That she understood. So she handed me a booklet, Jehovah's Witnesses.
I looked through it, pure heroin, because it doesn't want people to fight to bring about this good world, it wants people to focus on their own salvation status by waiting.
The woman told me that she takes care of some relative, and then she has time for preaching. She feels that this preaching "helps" people.
How does it help them, unless you believe that they are damned?
Usually this taking care of a relative is by the relative getting county money for a carer, and the carer getting certified so that they can get that money. Sometimes then the money is given back to the disabled person, as there is a rent agreement underneath it.
But suffice to say, this woman is on the economic margins, as are most of the people she is trying to "help". But even though they are on the margins, these people are not willing to politically organize and fight for social democracy, because of this fear based 'faith'.
Heroin! Opium!
This woman was not that nice looking, and now age was compounding this, so she would not be attracting men. So undoubtedly her life revolves around this care taking, around her proselytizing, and around the JW church.
Heroin! Opium!
It is very said that we have this kind of a world.
I read the booklet and it explains that this Kingdom will come after "God removes all the bad people."
Yes, we can have a beautiful world, but only after all the Christians die off. Or at least, we have to find some way to neutralize Christianity.
SJG
Wendy Brown lectures at Holy Cross on "Cultures of Capital Enhancement"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlLPxNdY…
Wendy Brown: How Neoliberalism Threatens Democracy. We all need to understand this, if we are to fight the Dougster's and the Mark94's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMMJ9Hqz…
Capital in the Twenty-First Century, Thomas Picketty
https://www.amazon.com/Capital-Twenty-Ce…
I'm a bit new to this, but maybe this SEIU is more radical than the AFL-CIO. and SEIU local 1000 represents workers for California state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_Em…