better approach with strippers
larryfisherman
California
Say you're in your 20's or 30's and you think you have a "connection" with a stripper. You really want to fuck her OTC. You would like it free, but if you have to pay for it, you'll do it.
Which approach/theory works better?
A. Treat her like a civilian, strippers are treated like sex objects, they want guys who will treat them like human beings. Invite her to a movie or dinner and maybe eventually you'll get in her pussy, get to know her a bit. If you do get in the pussy it's a much better chance it won't be P4P. Of course you might never get the pussy and she just strings you along.
B. Be more direct and straightforward. Skip all the movies or dinner or trying to get to know her. Tell her that you want to fuck her. She could say no, she could say yes with P4P, she could say she'd be interested in that but just strings you along, or you could get in her pussy that night for free. In this situation it's a lot higher probability that she'll say yes with P4P.
Remember that you really want to fuck her and preferably free, but if it has to be P4P then you'll do it. The only thing with P4P is that you'll know that she's probably fucking other guys for money, and that will take her out of girlfriend consideration for you LMAO.
What do you think?
Which approach/theory works better?
A. Treat her like a civilian, strippers are treated like sex objects, they want guys who will treat them like human beings. Invite her to a movie or dinner and maybe eventually you'll get in her pussy, get to know her a bit. If you do get in the pussy it's a much better chance it won't be P4P. Of course you might never get the pussy and she just strings you along.
B. Be more direct and straightforward. Skip all the movies or dinner or trying to get to know her. Tell her that you want to fuck her. She could say no, she could say yes with P4P, she could say she'd be interested in that but just strings you along, or you could get in her pussy that night for free. In this situation it's a lot higher probability that she'll say yes with P4P.
Remember that you really want to fuck her and preferably free, but if it has to be P4P then you'll do it. The only thing with P4P is that you'll know that she's probably fucking other guys for money, and that will take her out of girlfriend consideration for you LMAO.
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strippers aren't looking to hang out with or have sex with customers for free. therefore, the chances that its gonna happen for you is highly unlikely
i would just offer P4P
That said, there is no right answer, there's too many variables. I've had business relationships lead to personal ones, I've tried to cultivate personal ones only to find out it was all business on her end and I could have saved us both the pretense by being direct. You have to read her, if part of your hypothetical is that your read is there are some genuine sparks and your desire is to cultivate a real relationship, treating her like a real person is obviously the way to go. I don't understand that would even a question. If you think there is a connection and you just wanna fuck her and not have a relationship, you can be more direct but basically what you're asking for is P4P without paying, nothing I've seen about your online persona gives me the idea you are even close to being able to pull that off.
As I've said repeatedly, I don't do P4P, and the reason is quite simple, when I walk into a strip club, I'm not looking for a fantasy. And I don't like the phrase "treat her like a civilian". A stripper is not a civilian. You can't pretend that's not part of who she is. I tend to engage people very directly, very honestly, and that includes strippers. I get to know them as people, and in the past, when I was younger, that often resulted in getting to know them outside the club. Sometimes as friends, sometimes as more. I got offered pussy quite often, sometimes by girls who just straight up wanted to fuck. I guess I'm just wired differently than most guys, but if I have to pay a girl to have sex with me then I'm not interested because it's not real. I'm not saying that's wrong for other people. Everyone is different. It's just wrong for me.
What I know is, here is a short list of things I'll have done the first time I meet a stripper, that I don't do on a civilian first date, in most cases:
- Get her buzzed, if not drunk
- Talk about sex, often in prurient detail
- Touch her genitals
Which doesn't mean I can't also her treat her in a way that she does not feel insulted and disrespected. But that is not "treating her like a civilian", it's just being a person. And, since strippers are offering services that civilians are not, it seems ridiculous to pretend there's no difference. Maybe by "treat her like a civilian", you guys mean "don't call her a whore or grab her ass without permission"? That has nothing to do with whether she's a civilian or not.
Luckily, there's no one formula to getting a stripper OTC, and even guys who are basically blundering around seem to score one now and then
OTC + ATF = TUSCL + [ ITC + $300 + PL + DATY - SS ] * YMMV + √(-1) 8 ∑ π
1. Make it rain $30K on her.
2. Don't engage in conversation with her.
3. Invite her to sporting events.
You are guaranteed to have her laught at you behind your back.
Oh wait, that wasn't the goal. Try something else.
But whatever dude, just ask her out. They're are girls after all, just different line of work than normal.
"Hey, we should go do X together this week" or "Would you hang out with me outside the club"
If you want to date her, you gotta hope for the best there. If she's game, she'll say something about when/where and talk schedules.
If she's only interested in P4P with you, you'll find out based on her response. Probably something like asking what you'll do for her or something. Or maybe she'll be like "we can discuss that" or "how would that work".
I've only gone out with a few dancers (some paid, some not) so that's all the advice I can give. Never "played" for free though.
But you can still be giving her money, and you can still be going for instant results.
You don't have to go for diner dates, and especially not with a girl you are talking with in a strip club.
Despite what so many creeps on this board say, lots of strip club girls will go home with you the first night, so long as you are not treating her like a prostitute. Most girls, especially if they are showing you their everything, are not interested in diner dates. They want to be fucked.
And if she wants money, she can steer it that way. Then give it to her as a show of respect.
SJG
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Anyone try SJG's front room makeout session treat her like a civilian method? :)
@GoVikings- plenty of people on here have talked about fucking strippers non P4P so it's definitely possible. Plus I think we have a "connection", if I ask her for P4P and she doesn't do P4P, I could definitely see her losing respect for me by even asking that question.
@Dolfan- I've actually fucked one stripper without paying, but that one kind of fell into my lap. Fucking her for free is not a main thing, I really just want to fuck her period.
Treating her like a civilian means nice and respectful, like a girl you wanna date, but you can still go for instant action.
As far as not being in a relationship with her, why not, don't you like her? Wouldn't you like to be fucking her night after night?
SJG
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But why not go after girls you actually like and respect, and not to divide them into two categories.
SJG
Larry, getting you to realize that "treat her like a civilian" is the wrong phrase was step 1 in my larry rehabilitation plan :) It's not just the wrong phrase, it's borderline childish. Are you really going to go into the strip club and not get lap dances, not talk about sex, sit and talk about her hobbies and what movies she's seen, like you would a civilian first date? She's a stripper, it's never appropriate to treat her that way ... which doesn't mean you can't treat her in a way that she feels respected and valued. I would NEVER treat a stripper like someone I want to date, either, which is just another way to say "treat her like a civilian".
But you don't have to discuss this with her, just let it go that way. Just don't treat her like a prostitute or as someone you look down upon or see as beneath you.
SJG
Fishsticks pussy game is weaker than a Clackport song.
well sure its possible to have sex with strippers for free, but its also highly unlikely. strippers are about money. i don't understand why you don't get this.
And if you're looking for some sort of "fuck strippers for free" formula or strategy, then you've overdosed on PUA videos on YouTube.
Stop trying to engineer a black swan event into existence. That's not how black swan events work.
If I were you, I think I'd probably get on Tindr. It's a free download. I'd try to set up a date with a different girl every week, not with the intention of fucking her but just to get some experience with women. Try to figure out what you want in women. Try to figure out what you do that makes you fail with women. If you meet a girl you like and it doesn't work out, just move on. There are more women on this planet than you could possibly date in ten lifetimes. Don't waste time or energy on the relationships that don't work. Use what you learned to do better the next time.
I've almost come to the conclusion that, unless you got it for free the first time, it's all about the money to them. You may have a connection or get along well, but that doesn't mean it's not about the money. Hell, if I could get paid to have sex and hangout with a woman Im somewhat attracted to and we get along well, I'd keep fucking and hanging out with her all the while accepting her money.
A fav I've known for about 3 years (latter part of knowing OTC began) could only simply say "I was cool" when I asked her what she liked about me. Note, OTC is never timed especially if she doesn't have to get back to her kids and she's offered and I have stayed the night once with no additional money out of pocket.
FWIW, in the organization I am building, all the guys get all the stripper grad pussy they want on a daily basis, and never any money involved.
For myself though, in places beyond the borders of the above, I will be using the mistress maintenance method.
SJG
But there will be membership fees and those pay for the club houses and a fleet of shuttle vans. The money will be strictly accounted for any my own salary will be $1 per year.
SJG
Don't you have anything better to do?
And Gaffigan, because some people ask for clarification, and I guess don't read every post that carefully. Don't you have something to do besides posting negative meta-narratives?
SJG
If you go off the deep end you end up becoming the 'stalker guy' dancers have fear about!
flagooner, Front room friendliness, means don't buy dances, feed her money and engage in the front room. That way you can lead it. Best is a makeout session, lots of DFKing, tittie massaging, and sometimes even FIV.
SJG