My theory on kissing
larryfisherman
California
I think for most of us TUSCLERS it's pretty rare that a stripper will kiss us during a dance. I think that is for any of the possible reasons
(A. they're not sure if us customers will want/like it B. they don't know our situation at home if we're married or have a GF C. they know we're married or have a GF and they would feel a little awkward kissing us D. They just don't like kissing random dudes, they actually have morals lol E. We haven't given them enough money F. Last but not least we're too old, fat, and ugly and the thought of kissing us makes them puke)
I actually think F is pretty rare because strippers as we know are all about the money and we give them enough they'll pretend they're having a great time kissing us lol. All of the possible reasons listed are with the stripper initating the kissing. I think if you as a customer want kissing you should go in for the kissing and see how she reacts or you should tell the dancer you want kissing.
Strippers are here to entertain and pleasure us, so if they know we want something or we're fine with something, then most of the time they'll do it.
What do you think?
(A. they're not sure if us customers will want/like it B. they don't know our situation at home if we're married or have a GF C. they know we're married or have a GF and they would feel a little awkward kissing us D. They just don't like kissing random dudes, they actually have morals lol E. We haven't given them enough money F. Last but not least we're too old, fat, and ugly and the thought of kissing us makes them puke)
I actually think F is pretty rare because strippers as we know are all about the money and we give them enough they'll pretend they're having a great time kissing us lol. All of the possible reasons listed are with the stripper initating the kissing. I think if you as a customer want kissing you should go in for the kissing and see how she reacts or you should tell the dancer you want kissing.
Strippers are here to entertain and pleasure us, so if they know we want something or we're fine with something, then most of the time they'll do it.
What do you think?
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I really don't understand the kissing thing with strippers. They let you do everything else to them, still can't quite grasp the logic of no kissing, but they will suck and fuck you.
Seems they feel kissing is too intimate. Which again, don't understand if they are sucking and fucking you.
Then again, I am a RICH STUD compared to many TUSCLers who are just dumb fags, so maybe that why I may be experiencing it more than others.
i think its hard to say---but IMO it just comes down to them not wanting to kiss random dudes. it is weird, like warhawks pointed out, that some will suck and fuck you but for whatever reason don't feel comfortable kissing. i think women just find kissing very intimate and therefore MOSTLY reserve it for their BF's/husbands/guys like they really like.
my CF let me kiss her not too long ago, but it was more LKF than DKF
Anyway, I would say there are usually multiple reasons they don't kiss us. In order of importance:
1. The vast majority of the reason is F: they are unattracted to us and the thought of kissing us makes them throw up in their mouth :) Besides lack of physical attraction, there's often a lack of affection, and kissing is more of an intimacy & affection thing. In short: they mostly don't kiss us because they don't want to, period, end of story.
2. Very club-specific, but in the non-extras clubs around here, "no kissing" is strictly enforced, and whereas the girls won't turn each other in if they catch another stripper letting a guy touch her ass or kitty, they all turn into Bubbles from The Wire when they catch other girls kissing customers
3. Being so tied into intimacy and affection in a way that raw sexual acts are not, kissing is both the thing they save for their SOs and boyfriends, and a psychological line-in-the-sand that lets them save a shred of dignity around the things they do
I do not engage in kissing with girls in extras clubs, but do enjoy it in the non-extras clubs I go to 90% of the time. I find it incredibly rare with girls I just have a dance with, but probably kiss 30-50% of my CFs, eventually
I will say that I will only engage in some really heavy DFK during the start of a girl's shift where the likelihood of her mouth being "familiar" with another man that day is substantially reduced.
If you remove all capacity for emotional intimacy, then the no-kissing rule makes little sense. But, the reality is that strippers are emotional (sometimes highly emotional...). So, it's up to the dancer.
I like that Shadow, I think I'll start asking them that instead of just going in for the kiss. I've had a few strippers turn away when I've gone in for the kiss.
Just to be clear when I say it's rare for them to kiss us, I'm talking about them initating the kiss. I think it's a lot more common in the extras VIP room.
You know you're a PL when even civilians that you just took to a Clippers game and expensive dinner won't even kiss you!!!
Her schtick was GFE though, so I think kissing was a part of the business routine for her rather than a legit intimacy thing like some girls who let down their guard and start kissing in the VIP in the heat of the moment.
(1) If you're an AARP aged guy and you pay teenage girls for sex, then I guarantee that they don't want to make out with you. WTF is wrong with you, anyway?
(2) If you pursue age-appropriate girls, you're clean and a half-way decent physical specimen, then they just might enjoy making out with you.
It's evolutionary biology at work. Quite an advanced theory I know -- and I didn't even spend 10 years studying to be a Ph.D. psychotherapist.
What is not common, is GFE type dances. At least in my area.
@yahtzee-yeah I would say strippers kissing you on the cheek, ears and neck is a lot more common.
@random- I'm around the same age as a lot of these girls, so I would hope your theory would be right lol.
SJG
No, not every club will allow that, and it won't be with every girl. But in most of your wilder or anything goes clubs, it is quite possible. The clubs which prevent this I consider to be the modern versions of "clip joints", they sell more fantasy than reality, because whatever ensues, the girl is not opening up to you.
Letting a girl kiss you in the dance booth is nothing compared to getting her loosened up and letting you kiss her as you like in the front room. You want to get your girl off script ASAP, you don't want her to be on her dance delivery script.
Save booths and backrooms until it is time for your own pants to come down. And then after, take your girl home with you to continue.
I first learned this long ago, pre-DeJa Vu San Francisco, at New Century. An extremely cute black girl finished her set doing open tongue kissing with another girl.
They always have that in porno movies, and I FF past it. But in real life it is a powerful turn on. So next she was on my lap, and I couldn't help but comment on it. So she told me how much she was enjoying it too. Well that makes for an explosive situation.
I had actually followed her in from the sidewalk. I thought she was an officer worker and I was going to try and invite her to lunch. I got much more than I ever could have imagined. I was completely blown away by how open she was able to be with a complete stranger. Never felt comfortable in my own Grey Flannel life again.
Now at our local clubs, no touching, so that is prohibited. But it still can happen when a girl is trying to get an OTC date. And those girls give firey kissing.
And then in out underground circuit, kissing is also supposed to be prohibited, but again, if a girl wants OTC, it happens. I always start them with open tongue kissing first. It shows the girl that I like her, and it opens her up too.
Most guys miss out on what is possible because they take what is offered at face value, dances. And they treat the girls like prostitutes, instead of just like a girl they met at a party.
You have to do it in the front room, because that way you can lead it. And the girl will see that if she declines, it won't go much further.
And we know that from blackstripclubs.net and from TUSCL members accounts, that at the most extreme dives, the girls give you very little choice but to engage in front room makeout sessions, just like it is in Tijuana. If the girl doesn't make it go that way, she is likely to loose out on the session to another.
DeJa Vu has now unbranded all of their SF Clubs except Centerfolds, so they might be back to wild and wooley again. You always want to look for places where the doings are just between you and the girl, no rules except hers.
And where I first learned to approach it this way was in AMPs. You just have to learn how to use words and preliminaries to get a girl softened up. If it starts with DFKing, then it will be mind blowing for both parties. Whereas most idiots start by offering the girls money while lying on their backs, total idiots.
SJG
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A couple of them would DFK.
The random strippers, will kiss on the cheek, sometimes, but not on the lips.
I think a big part of it is if you are a regular, and how you treat them.(and tip them!)
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@Shadow, old buddy, for the nth time I do write some reviews under an alias. I'm married, cheat on my wife, and don't travel all that much. Hence the alias. I doubt very much that my clubbing experience is below average here, and I can pay for sex with the best of you.
If you take a look at my post, I said that teenage girls don't enjoy making out with the AARP crowd. I'll bet that's almost universally true. And if your make-out sessions are that passionate, I have to wonder why you are paying; maybe they should be paying you.
...and yea its crossing the intimacy line as it conveys emotional bonding for most girls which they try to shield. Kissing also can come from being a long term regular and developing a friendly bond. One of my favorite 10 girls never used to kiss but we became pretty close after a year and yea it has made our experience super sexy
Also it is somewhat market driven. Places like DC ( local to me) and NYC, Dallas, are well known for having a competitive market with good looking women who are willing to go the extra mile.
My experience level this time around is too limited to comment......but I'll throw something out that might be new info--( or not) what brought me back around in part to the nightclubs is that I started to find a considerable amount of women on dating sites to be dancers looking for a second stream of income along with some ex dancers or women who work in clubs as bartenders, barmaids, etc. Regardless of what some of us are experiencing economically the 20 something women coming out of college for the past decade are not finding good jobs. They are at the least under-employed. Even for us old farts if you can dress decently, have money and can lick your eyebrows with your tongue, you have a good shot.....kissing included. So why go to clubs you might ask.......well I can meet the same girl in a coffee shop and see her dressed in every day clothing, or I can get a good look at her on stage and if I catch her eye see what her flirt/sexual comfort level is early on.........
SJG
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