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Organized Crime

gawker
Older than dirt
Do any of you have any idea as to whether organized crime has a significant interest in strip clubs? I've always heard rumors and dancers have tolls me about "mobbed up" or "connected" customers and then there was Badda Bing. My ATF says she's had a customer lately who is very Italian, starting a 10 year federal prison term next month, and is a "made man".
I don't know if she's watched The Godfather too many times or if the club she's working at is populated by Mafioso.
It's probably different in other parts of the country but with more and more "chains" getting into the business, I'm curious.

36 comments

  • Papi_Chulo
    8 years ago
    I would assume it may have been more the case when the Mafia was stronger in the past - I would not doubt they could be involved with a few # of clubs - I would oit be surprised if many SC owners have a shady past (or present) - stuff like-that is probably kept on the very down-lo.
  • sinclair
    8 years ago
    It wouldn't surprise me if there are a few clubs that are somehow connected to the mob, but I think there would be quite a bit of separation. For example, organized crime might get a cut of the profits from the club, but they are not running the day to day operations. In Quebec, some of the rural strip clubs have connections to the Hell's Angels.
  • shailynn
    8 years ago
    Jeez - every guy who claims they're full blown Italian but probably has less than 5% blood, and has watched too many Jersey Shore episodes thinks he's a mobster. The best I have seen are "Italian Rednecks" from where I come from.

    Gawker, I wouldn't doubt it one bit considering where you are from, and just like sinclair said, I know of rural clubs in my area known to be connected to the Pagans.
  • crazyjoe
    8 years ago
    Biggest organized crime ring

    https://youtu.be/hcHmxQ-fnpc
  • skibum609
    8 years ago
    They still have some involvement in the Northeast, which is probably why Providence is so much fun. Around here, if your Grandmother makes gravy (all y'all call is spaghetti sauce) you're in the mob. I did get to meet Raymond Patriaca, Sr. and Jr. at my grandmother's funeral.
  • flagooner
    8 years ago
    It used to be fairly prevalent before so many clubs became corporate branded. I remember the old Porky'so by the Miami fronton was run by the Russian mob. Damn, now I'm thinking about Francesca and Pamela. :-) Schwing.
  • 4got2wipe
    8 years ago
    Who would have thought that skibum609 has links to the Patriarca crime family?

    It would be truly brilliant if the Patriarcas brought a truckload of bootleg Canadian whiskey to the wake! ;)

    (No disrespect intended toward your grandmother, just a humorous thought about your family's "mafia connections)
  • gammanu95
    8 years ago
    Strip clubs, as a cash business, are a good way to launder money and provide fraudulent W-2s. They are also a good place to sell repackaged bootleg liquor and cigarettes (meaning stolen or pre-tax), 'scrip pills, and street drugs. In short, yes, it varies but OC thrives in clubs. Not just LCN, but OMCs, cartels, MS-13, street gangs, etc., have all learned the value of keeping am interest in the clubs.
  • rockstar666
    8 years ago
    Yes, money laundering would be of interest. The owner of my club was in jail a few years when police discovered a box with about $5 million in cash in a warehouse he owned. They got him for tax evasion I believe.
  • jackslash
    8 years ago
    Organized crime has always had interests in strip clubs. As gammunau95 points out, money laundering can be done thru SCs, and drugs and other illegal business can be conducted.

    I don't know if the Italian Mafia is involved in Detroit clubs. I think our clubs are more controlled by disorganized crime.
  • shailynn
    8 years ago
    motorhead got wacked for his mob ties.
  • vincemichaels
    8 years ago
    Recently a pile of bone was found under the Scott Memorial Bridge to Belle Isle in the (Detriot). (Juice's spelling not mine) DNA testing confirmed the bones were motorhead's. My padron denies it was our family, I never argue with him.
  • zef8mich
    8 years ago
    They say organized crime is more corporate now so it may not be obvious. Way back there were a couple of times in Detroit where the Mafia may have been involved. . One club owner was threatened by someone who said he was Mafia and had his car riddled by bullets. One Italian owner that owned or had family connections with Italian restaurants was rumored Mafia.
    Otherwise it could have been a case of owing the wrong people money. One owner was shot and found dead in his trunk one owner had his car booby trapped.
  • skibum609
    8 years ago
    4Got - They are not relatives, just friends of the family that we knew because one of my cousins used to own Lincoln Greyhound Park (now Twin Rivers Casino) and back then, they were in charge of gambling.
  • Call.Me.Ishmael
    8 years ago
    In Rhode Island, the mob is still involved in strip clubs, but certainly not to the extent that they were in the 1970s/80s. Their influence has waned.

    Gimlet Media puts out a fantastic podcast called "Crimetown". They launched the show focusing exclusively on the mafia and corruption in Providence and Rhode Island. Thirteen episodes so far and very professional quality.

    http://gimletmedia.com/crimetown/

    Great stuff, in my opinion.
  • Papi_Chulo
    8 years ago
    I've heard Juice is connected - y'all better stop fucking with him lest other TUSCLers start wondering why you too are not posting anymore - kapish?
  • Papi_Chulo
    8 years ago
    I wonder if the mafia tries to muscle itself into certain strip clubs where the owner may be forced to play ball
  • twentyfive
    8 years ago
    ^^^It"s not like that any more it takes a more sophisticated form like CC processing or linen service, maybe buying uniforms from a certain provider, even security details from Police working overtime.
  • Call.Me.Ishmael
    8 years ago
    @Papi... In the past, yes. Recently, I'm unsure.

    There's a story that when the Foxy Lady opened in Providence (which goes back to the 70s/80s; I'm actually not sure when it opened specifically), the owner was sitting at the bar one night when a Patriarca lieutenant sat down next to him, shook his hand, and introduced himself as his new business partner.
  • gammanu95
    8 years ago
    LOL, I had the mob wallpaper a restaurant in Chicago many years ago. Guy walks up and said his brother is going to put our wallpaper. I said no, we already have a contractor. He got in my face and said his brother is putting up the wallpaper. I went to find the GC who clued me in. His brother put up the wallpaper. It was the worst job I'd ever seen. We worked all night before opening day to year it down and repaper the walls.
  • gammanu95
    8 years ago
    I was managing another restaurant in Kenner, LA after Katrina. Jefferson Parish Sheriffs and Kenner PD came around talking to local business owners and managers to let us know that MS-13 graffiti had been spotted in the area, and described how they would try to muscle in on our business just like the LCN. It turns out the tags weren't actually MS13, just some wannabes.
  • Dlee305
    8 years ago
    Gammanu95

    I don't think want wild out on Louisiana guys. Just a different breed.
  • WetWilly
    8 years ago
    I have been to many clubs across Eastern Europe, and I am convinced the Russian Mafia controls many of the clubs there. I realize this is not exactly what you're asking.
  • gammanu95
    8 years ago
    Yeah, seems like a lot of folks in Lousiana are actively looking for a reason to shoot someone.
  • rockstar666
    8 years ago
    Great, so, Russia controls both strip clubs and our government...
  • Papi_Chulo
    8 years ago
    LOL
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    In San Francisco, after Jim and Artie Mitchell won the key legal battles which signaled that contact strip clubs were the future, it was widely accept that the Mafia was controlling many of them, like Market St. Cinema, and New Century. And this was the time they built VIP rooms.

    With Jim and Artie, it was all in the front room, and that was the key to their defense.

    Jim and Artie has also stood up to the Mafia before, suing them to stop showing of bootleg versions of Behind the Green Door, in Arizona.

    So it was after Jim and Artie won the legal battles, that the Mafia came in, and changed it to more of a clip joint system.

    This was under Willy Brown and D.A. Terrance Hailinan.

    SJG

    http://www.yvonnecraig.com/

    http://tysyvonnecraighomepage.com/
  • twentyfive
    8 years ago
    @grammanutcase- you got in a made guys face, you are so full of shit. you wouldn't be posting about it. I grew up with them and trust me one thing, nobody is going to argue with you about wallpaper. GEEZ WHAT A DUMBASS !
  • sharkhunter
    8 years ago
    I have no idea but one night I wondered who was it that I knew from work when I lived in another state. I ran into a guy from work that asked me to keep quiet about seeing him there because he had a bible study group at work he talked about with his group. He said his friends dragged him to the club. He paid for two dances from a dancer of my choice then mentioned so and so, in the group with him was the son of the mafia boss for a nearby county. He probably was wondering if it was going to be a SHTF day with me talking on Monday. I didn't like talking to anyone at work about my visits because they blew everything out of proportion. There was a major murder in the Raleigh news just about every month for the area I once lived in though. I didn't want trouble. Michael Jordan's father got killed less than 30 miles away stopping his car and going to sleep in the wrong area. The area had a higher per capita murder rate than New York I heard. I don't think it's mafia related though. It makes me wonder who I know.
  • jester214
    8 years ago
    There is no such thing as the Mafia.
  • jester214
    8 years ago
    Kidding aside the Italian Mafia in this country is a shell of what it used to be. New York and New England are the only real "families" left. The bosses get out of jail long enough to do something illegal and get sent back. Are they involved in strip clubs? Maybe a little but I doubt it. The current reputed New England boss last spent time in jail for... trying to shake down strip clubs.

    Sure some clubs probably have some criminal types involved, it's the nature of the business. But I don't think it's common.
  • lopaw
    8 years ago
    I don't know nuthin...I didn't see nuthin....
  • dallas702
    8 years ago
    Strip clubs actually get too much attention from popo to effectively launder mob money. The mob, in the 21st century, is into drugs, pyranids, stocks and internet scams, plus the older business ventures like unions and protection. They need much more discrete businesses to launder their money than titty bars.

    That doesn't mean organized crime is NOT involved in strip joints - criminal organizations do own or in some way control several - but usually they are disrete about the involvement. Mob control of "sex businesses" is mostly about small time drug and prostitution schemes that any big plans. Most of the time you read stories of Mob related strip joints it is exageration or fantasy created by exuberant, but ignorant, reporters.
  • gammanu95
    8 years ago
    There's a new review of Club Madonna in Miami Beach that invoked the topic of this thread. Sounds like a train wreck: Horrible to see but you just want to check it out.
  • Papi_Chulo
    8 years ago
    ^ that is the worst club in South FL - I just commented on that review
  • rockstar666
    8 years ago
    dallas, if popo monitoring, where did that $5 million in a cardboard box come from? It wasn't "from" the club; it was going "to" the club.
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