style-wise, i ask for what i want, and i use adult words, like "handjob" "blowjob" etc. it puts me in a more active and controlling mindset from the beginning, which is how i like to negotiate. i don't ever ask a stripper what her menu is, or use terms like "extras" -- not a criticism, just not my thing.
Subraman, to be honest, I never get a straight answer on the menu thing...they always say "that depends" which means on how much I spend on them. And even then dancers lie.
OTOH, I never ask plainly for a specific sexual favor ITC. At least never at my vanilla club. Many dancers would call a bouncer if you just asked right out. When I've gotten the rare extra, it was always the dancer that eased in to it. Or my CF who probably would fit in at Follies I think...
I always tell them we can one $20 regular dance or we can discuss extras. This always works. She either says okay to the dance (or not) or we discuss extras.
A stripper that used to be on here informed me that she hated (as well as many of her stripper friends") the word "menu"
Depending on how the conversation is going with a dancer I usually say something like "I'd like to go back and do more than dances" and that usually opens up a dialog and price negotiations.
I never say "extras" or "menu" -- that's customer lingo that dancers hate (or don't use). I do sometimes say something like "If we were to go back to the VIP room, describe what kind of fun we could have". At my favorite extras-friendly day shift, the response might be some gesture or touch that indicates that a BJ or HJ is going to be available. At raunchier clubs, for example in Washington Park, the answer is often "Anything but anal"! My preference is to just let things happen and trust that the vetting that occurs over drinks and conversation will lead to happy times in VIP.
I usually engage in light hearted banter about leaving here with a bigger smile than the one I came in with. Where I go they pretty much offer regulars variety.
I don't use "extras", "menu", "OTC", etc - I first became aware of those terms thru TUSCL and figured it was a TUSCL thing that most dancers wouldn't know what they meant.
The more I SC the more I'm of the Subraman "total control/domination" school of thought; LOL - i.e. best to be straight forward (w/o being rude or crass of course) - being straight-forward is usually the best-way to get from strip-club point-A to point-B - "beating around the bush" can often not get you bush - beating around the bush can often lead to misunderstandings or getting poor-ROI - and beating around the bush will usually not get you better mileage/ROI, Roy.
Coming from a hooker back ground I've been schooled in not using words since it can get either party in trouble if one side is LE
With this said I have used with a very high level of success the hooker method witch is talking their hands and placing it on my dick then grabbing them by the tits and pussy
If their not into it trust me they will pull their hand back way before you even get to your dick
If their into it they will start playing with Mr. Sunshine at this point I just if we can go "play" in the VIP or champagne depending on the club
At this point she will tell you the price then you can agree or negation from their
Personally I've noticed if the dancer hasn't hooked before they are usually very stupid about this and will str8 up say they will suck or fuck your dick for xxx amount witch is very unsafe on their part with LE possible stings
I've herd dancers use the term " wanna play" in relation to sex favors for money more times than not
-->"OTOH, I never ask plainly for a specific sexual favor ITC. At least never at my vanilla club. Many dancers would call a bouncer if you just asked right out."
Yeah, I do acknowledge the context could be different. For me, in this area:
- There are extras clubs, where extras are out in the open and no stripper is about to call the bouncer on you for asking about it... and, in this city, law enforcement plain and simple does not care about in-club prostitution, and the last time the police did try to make arrests, 10+ years ago, the DA refused to prosecute. This is a risk-free activity for me.
- At non-extras clubs, it's insanely rare I ask for extras, since the conditions have to be pretty special to get them -- better off with OTC. On the other hand, when the conditions ARE right, I'm going to be asking my CF, of whom I'm already a regular, and 0% chance she'll be calling the bouncer on me.
How long do you wait before broaching the subject. I almost exclusively club when I travel, so I can't really get a regular.
In a few places (ATL and in FL north of St. Pete along the coast) I just asked. In ATL I had one yes and one no; the yes didn't seem offended. In FL the girl was pretty clear.
Other places I haven't bothered asking (like DC). I tried in NOLA but I was way too drunk to be suave about things. That was bad for me because I very seldom drink and I almost never drink to excess. I should have been careful. Regardless, I got seriously led on and ripped off. :(
And for Call.Me.Ishmael all I can say is ace comment! ;)
I joke about the whole "spit or swallow" thing, but I *have* used it moderately often. Most recently, to a new girl at an extras club. We did some small talk, and she was becoming boring, when she asked me, "Do you ever do VIPs here?"
Me: "Once in a while."
Her: "What makes you decide to do a VIP?"
I looked her straight in the eye and said, "Spit, or swallow?"
Her, after a pause and a glance at the bartender, who'd overheard and laughed, "Swallow."
Me: "Slow and deep?"
Her: "Yes."
Me: "How much?"
Her: "How do I know you're not a cop?"
At which point, I turned to the bartender (who's pimped girls for me before, and said "Am I a cop?"
After the VIP was done (she was almost as good as she claimed), the bartender was all, "You're gonna get slapped one of these days."
Use the term 'extras' in talking with females, no way! I don't even go along with the concept on this forum. Just paying money to exacerbate your own frustration. Civilianize you interaction with the girl. Get a front room makeout session going. Mostly you just have to learn how to use words to get her off script and softened up.
While I dont use the word extras with dancers I've had a few dancers use the word with me over the years. Things like "I give extras in the VIP if you tip me well." Of course I clarify that we have the same understanding of what extras means before I commit to the financial expenditure.
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But some will make you cum in various ways. I consider DFK an extra too because very few will initiate that.
Most of the time, the girl would ask me back "what kind of dances do you like?"
If she was ok with my answer of "dirty dances" then I would begin negotiations.
OTOH, I never ask plainly for a specific sexual favor ITC. At least never at my vanilla club. Many dancers would call a bouncer if you just asked right out. When I've gotten the rare extra, it was always the dancer that eased in to it. Or my CF who probably would fit in at Follies I think...
Depending on how the conversation is going with a dancer I usually say something like "I'd like to go back and do more than dances" and that usually opens up a dialog and price negotiations.
The more I SC the more I'm of the Subraman "total control/domination" school of thought; LOL - i.e. best to be straight forward (w/o being rude or crass of course) - being straight-forward is usually the best-way to get from strip-club point-A to point-B - "beating around the bush" can often not get you bush - beating around the bush can often lead to misunderstandings or getting poor-ROI - and beating around the bush will usually not get you better mileage/ROI, Roy.
With this said I have used with a very high level of success the hooker method witch is talking their hands and placing it on my dick then grabbing them by the tits and pussy
If their not into it trust me they will pull their hand back way before you even get to your dick
If their into it they will start playing with Mr. Sunshine at this point I just if we can go "play" in the VIP or champagne depending on the club
At this point she will tell you the price then you can agree or negation from their
Personally I've noticed if the dancer hasn't hooked before they are usually very stupid about this and will str8 up say they will suck or fuck your dick for xxx amount witch is very unsafe on their part with LE possible stings
I've herd dancers use the term " wanna play" in relation to sex favors for money more times than not
Yeah, I do acknowledge the context could be different. For me, in this area:
- There are extras clubs, where extras are out in the open and no stripper is about to call the bouncer on you for asking about it... and, in this city, law enforcement plain and simple does not care about in-club prostitution, and the last time the police did try to make arrests, 10+ years ago, the DA refused to prosecute. This is a risk-free activity for me.
- At non-extras clubs, it's insanely rare I ask for extras, since the conditions have to be pretty special to get them -- better off with OTC. On the other hand, when the conditions ARE right, I'm going to be asking my CF, of whom I'm already a regular, and 0% chance she'll be calling the bouncer on me.
Huh. I had no idea that you used to be a hooker. This explains a lot.
In a few places (ATL and in FL north of St. Pete along the coast) I just asked. In ATL I had one yes and one no; the yes didn't seem offended. In FL the girl was pretty clear.
Other places I haven't bothered asking (like DC). I tried in NOLA but I was way too drunk to be suave about things. That was bad for me because I very seldom drink and I almost never drink to excess. I should have been careful. Regardless, I got seriously led on and ripped off. :(
And for Call.Me.Ishmael all I can say is ace comment! ;)
Me: "Once in a while."
Her: "What makes you decide to do a VIP?"
I looked her straight in the eye and said, "Spit, or swallow?"
Her, after a pause and a glance at the bartender, who'd overheard and laughed, "Swallow."
Me: "Slow and deep?"
Her: "Yes."
Me: "How much?"
Her: "How do I know you're not a cop?"
At which point, I turned to the bartender (who's pimped girls for me before, and said "Am I a cop?"
After the VIP was done (she was almost as good as she claimed), the bartender was all, "You're gonna get slapped one of these days."
SJG
That's too subtle. You'd have to go to Bletchley Park to break that code. Brilliant! ;)
So true, I can't even recall how many times I've heard that line. It usually goes like this:
Stripper: "want to go back to VIP?"
Me: "maybe, what can we do back there, ply Pokémon Go?"
Stripper: "we can do anything you want. What do you want to do back there?"
Me: "great, I want to do everything!"
Stripper: "okay, everything except anal."
"Hey baby, I wanna get an LDK from you"