OT : How did they become so rich?
londonguy
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I read today that the Clintons are worth $150 million and that they siphon money off from The Clinton Foundation.
Is that right, if so shouldn't she/they be in jail?
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Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton walk in to a bar.
Donald leans over, and with a smile on his face, says, “The media is really tearing you apart for that Scandal.”
Hillary: “You mean my lying about Benghazi?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the massive voter fraud?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the military not getting their votes counted?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Using my secret private server with classified material to Hide my Activities?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything Else?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Using the Clinton Foundation as a cover for tax evasion, Hiring Cronies, And taking bribes from foreign countries?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the drones being operated in our own country without The Benefit of the law?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million, and right afterward it Declared Bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean arming the Muslim Brotherhood and hiring them in the White House?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Whitewater, Watergate committee, Vince Foster, commodity Deals?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Turning Libya into chaos?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Being the mastermind of the so-called “Arab Spring” that only brought chaos, death and destruction to the Middle East and North Africa?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Leaving four Americans to die in Benghazi?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Trashing Mubarak, one of our few Muslim friends?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The funding and arming of terrorists in Syria, the destruction and destabilization of that nation, giving the order to our lapdogs in Turkey and Saudi Arabia to give sarin gas to the “moderate” terrorists in Syria that they eventually used on civilians, and framed Assad, and had it not been for the Russians and Putin, we would have used that as a pretext to invade Syria, put a puppet in power, steal their natural resources, and leave that country in total chaos, just like we did with Libya?
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The creation of the biggest refugees crisis since WWII?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Leaving Iraq in chaos? ”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The DOJ spying on the press?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean HHS Secretary Sibelius shaking down health insurance Executives?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Giving our cronies in SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and 3 Months Later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The NSA monitoring citizens’ ?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The State Department interfering with an Inspector General Investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Me, The IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Threats to all of Bill’s former mistresses to keep them quiet?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the INSIDER TRADING of the Tyson chicken deal I did where I invested $1,000 and the next year I got $100,000?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean when Bill met with Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, just before my hearing with the FBI to cut a deal?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: ” You mean the one where my IT guy at Platte River Networks asked Reddit for help to alter emails?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean where the former Haitian Senate President accused me and my foundation of asking him for bribes?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean that old video of me laughing as I explain how I got the charges against that child rapist dropped by blaming the young girl for liking older men and fantasizing about them. Even though I knew the guy was guilty?
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean that video of me coughing up a giant green lunger into my drinking glass then drinking it back down?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean that video of me passing out on the curb and losing my shoe?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean when I robbed Bernie Sanders of the Democratic Party Nomination by having the DNC rig the nomination process so that I would win?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean how so many people that oppose me have died in mysterious was?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Travel Gate? When seven employees of the White House Travel Office were fired so that friends of Bill and mine could take over the travel business? And when I lied under oath during the investigation by the FBI, the Department of Justice, the White House itself, the General Accounting Office, the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, and the Whitewater Independent Counsel?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The scandal where, (while I was Secretary if State), the State Department signed off on a deal to sell 20% of the USA’s uranium to a Canadian corporation that the Russians bought, netting a $145 million donation from Russia to the Clinton Foundation and a $500,000 speaking gig for Bill from the Russian Investment Bank that set up the corporate buyout?. That scandal?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “That time I lied when I said I was under sniper fire when I got off the plane in Bosnia?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “That time when after I became the First Lady, I improperly requested a bunch of FBI files so I could look for blackmail material on government insiders?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “That time when Bill nominated Zoe Baird as Attorney General, even though we knew she hired illegal immigrants and didn’t pay payroll taxes on them?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “When I got Nigeria exempted from foreign aid transparency guidelines despite evidence of corruption because they gave Bill a $700,000 in speaking fees?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “That time in 2009 when Honduran military forces allied with rightist lawmakers ousted democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya, and I as then-Secretary of State sided with the armed forces and fought global pressure to reinstate him?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “I give up! … Oh wait, I think I’ve got it! When I stole the White House furniture, silverware, when Bill left Office?”
Trump: “THAT’S IT! I almost forgot about that one”.
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The Clinton Foundation is subject to the same strict accounting that any other large non-profit is. I'm sure things are run properly.
What is true is that the Clintons have, following the example of Ronald Reagan before them, taken in huge amounts of money in public speaking fees.
SJG
The comparison between the Clintons and Reagan is, of course, absurd -- but what would you expect from our own master of absurdity.
Right Wing Media knows no bounds. They attack everything and in everyway, and what they say need have no relation to the truth. But people believe it.
And this is why we have a candidate like Donald Trump, and this is why our democracy continues to be pushed to the breaking point.
We need people at the polls tomorrow to vote so that the center will hold.
SJG
see if we can watch some of this, about Norman Lear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsNod2_l…
SJG
http://www.pfaw.org/
SJG
Please, don't believe the stuff Right Wing Media puts out, it has zero relation to reality.
SJG
If Bernie was the democratic nominee he would have obliterated Trump.
About the Democratic Party rigging it to shut out Bernie, I'm sure there is truth in that.
SJG
The Clintons got rich because there are what, 5 former presidents alive? 3 of whom can travel and give paid speeches? You can basically name your price to give a talk.
This will be true of the Obamas soon enough, unless he gets appointed to the Supreme Court. U watch, it can happen!
SJG
Again more proof of how ignorant you are. Gerald Ford was a broke ass mother fucker until he left the presidency, and then made millions after he left office.
Guess what? He was before Reagan, right? Can you please admit at least this one time how wrong you are? Just admit it this one time and I will leave you alone. If not you will forever be shown how ignorant you are. Remember, Gerald Ford made millions of $$$ after his presidency!
But the first one I remember hearing it about was Reagan, especially going to Japan and getting $2Meg for one speech.
SJG
Watch, and then go vote for Hillary. What a lying awful cunt who will literally say anything to get elected. Nothing is worse than a career politician.
Which describes both of the candidates.
They're both liars. They're both crooks. Both care only about themselves and how much money/power/influence they can obtain.
Yeah... But who cares about trumps con antics.
"They're both liars. They're both crooks. Both care only about themselves and how much money/power/influence they can obtain."
But of course none of trumps supporters care that this applies to both candidates.
I agree with SJG about the Clinton Foundation. I would think the Foundation would be held to accounting standards like any other non-profit or charitable organization. Or perhaps I am naive in this matters. I'm not up on my white collar crime, sorry.
As much as I detest the idea of people making money from public speaking -- especially public servants -- it seems to be anti-American to suggest otherwise. Why should I be against someone using his or her talents or skills for profit? Now this is somewhat palatable (stomach-able) if the person is formerly retired and out of the spotlight and out of public service, which Secretary Clinton is not, but President Clinton is. With that said, I still don't agree with the practice. But for me to shun it, does seem Anti-American and anti-capitalist or anti-free market, if I understand you conservadudes (minus twentyfive .. that guy's got real morals and ethics, so .. respect).
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I would like to get money OUT OF politics. How do we do this? We tried President's Obama's 2008 promise of hope change. That didn't exactly pan out. The only hope and change we got was he changed his mind on same-sex marriages (initially he was pro- same sex civil unions in lieu of same sex marriage, but he's changed his mind for the better) so that's at least SOME hope and change.
Many of us voted for him hoping he'd change champaign finance reform and try to get some of the BIG MONEY out of politics. I am not entirely sure why he didn't accomplish this. Was is too hard? Did he get distracted by other issues? Is President Obama now part of the problem, i.e., is he now "on the take, too?" Maybe. There is just too much money out there. Maybe it will never get fixed. I had hope with Mr. Sanders and Mr. Trump. But I doubt they could fix it either.
On top of that SCOTUS ruled that money equals free speech. So perhaps corruption in politics will not be fixed in our lifetimes. I keep trying though.
We did try term limits. That was Mr Gingrich's contract with American in 1994. Term limits, as a goal, was dropped. Gee, I wonder why. Money it is.
I think this is why SJG mentions President Reagan. He, too, took money for speeches. He's not the first and he won't be the last.
The problem with Secretary Clinton (now and in 1992) is she represents change. Gender roles, women's roles, and a changing world. Many established men are not comfortable with this. Hence she is vilified and turned into an enemy. (Now I admit she has her problems ... and she's probably a criminal .. but let's admit facts ... she's really raked over the coals over and above what she's owed. Come on ... She's change. And you're scared.
But why let that stop me from forming an opinion or observation?
:-)
There may not me anything illegal going on, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was.
Ethically however, I would be very surprised if it is clean. For a public servant, ethics mean as much to me as legality because it is a truer measure of character.
I don't respect someone if the only reason they don't cheat is because they know they would get caught. I respect them when they don't cheat even though they know they would get away with it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol…
One can't make everything go right, and Secretary of State is largely a show position, because any actual authority rests with the President. Hillary represented the US on the world stage very well, and I know that she will make a fine President, and so I am proud to have voted for her.
In 2008 she gave Obama quite a run for the nomination. And so, that she would be appointed as Secretary of State, was in my view outstanding. Her national and international prominence only added to the high quality of the job she did.
When Bill Clinton left office he said that he was going on the speaking circuit, as he had huge debts over things like the legal fees for the Paula Jones matter.
That they take in money, oh well. I am glad though that they are also taking in money for the Clinton Foundation at the same time, as in so doing they are using their name to do good. I don't believe that they are greedy people.
The main one that I know of who was also able to do this was Jimmy Carter, and they have often gone out of their way to show support for Carter's work.
SJG
MC5 - OVER AND OVER
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