Ok, here is the official thread to make your election predictions. I'm still leaning slightly in favor of Trump because I think his people are more motivated to vote but the more I look at the electoral college math the less confident I feel.
In terms of what's best for the country I definitely want Clinton. But in terms of generating a little market volatility I would prefer Trump.
Hilary is going to win
I'm so lost by the media I couldn't even guess.
Here's what I see.
I travel a lot in the midwest, northeast and south. I mostly see Trump signs but some pockets of Hillary signs.
I see things images on the internet of Trump rallies with thousands of people and Hillary ones with only hundreds.
I've read African-Americans aren't going out and voting for Hillary like they did for Obama.
It's said that Hispanics are coming out strong to vote for Hillary.
I've found that potential Hillary voters are extremely loud in voicing who they are voting for while most potential Trump voters are quiet.
Clinton by about 50 electoral votes. Small electoral-vote states like NV and NH might play a role because of the quirks of the electoral system. CLinton might win FL and/or NC which would give her a more hefty win.
Senate majority (too close to call) is incredibly important since the GOP plans to obstruct all Supreme Court nominees. If the Dems take the Senate, they can change the filibuster rules.
Trump would be a disaster and getting rid of him should be nonpartisan.
Shailynn is right about AA and Latino vote.
"In terms of what's best for the country I definitely want Clinton. "
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Neither is a stellar candidate, but it will be one or the other.
Clinton will take us further down the path we have been going the past 8 yrs, possibly to the point where we cant recover. At least with Trump there is a potential to stem the tide.
I heard this analogy the other day, and it sums up how I feel.
Voting for Trump is like going to the dentist... It may scare us a bit, and we don't want to do it, but we have to or the consequences will be much, much worse.
flagooner: "Clinton will take us further down the path we have been going the past 8 yrs,"
Hopefully! Economy has been booming for the last 8 years with only very brief pullbacks here and there.
Main thing about Trump is that I don't get his theme. "Make America Great Again". As in like it was when????? I don't think the country and economy has ever been stronger than it has now.
I'm a conservative and the traditional republican message is the one that appeals to me, to me bigger government is going in the wrong direction - IMO Trump has too many self-inflicted wounds to win
"Economy has been booming for the last 8 years"
I agree with that, the economy is pretty good right now.
Is 1 or 2% GPD growth year after year and a close to $20-TRILLION national debt a booming economy or fool's gold?
shailynn I agree with a lot of what you said but the intimidation factor is more Clinton voters are afraid to speak out in this area and I've also noticed it here on the board. I voted for her last week because I think most of those voting for Trump are missing the point completely by thinking that what he is saying is the truth actually he is much less truthful than Hillary and I know from personal experience that he is much more corrupt and always looking to beat someone down I find him to be a bully and a coward case in point he refuses to show his tax returns yet he has the unmitigated gall to constantly talk about how much money she gets as speaking fees. I fucking guarantee if we saw his tax returns he'd be fucked big time. As far as speaking the truth is concerned insulting folks ain't truth no matter how you try to spin it and he does that constantly. My favorite is hr knows more than the generals how to beat ISIL, the only thing he knows is how to commit war crimes a man who's never served anywhere except his own greed talking about killing families and rounding up muslims and foreigners he is the reincarnation of Hitler and Stalin and Joe McCarthy all rolled one one despicable piece of crap.
Hillary will win but not because she is the best candidate but rather because the bottom feeders always vote for the democratic party. It will take a person with Ronald Reagan's personality for the Republicans to ever retake the white house.
I checked and Follies will be open Tuesday. So I think I'll just hang out there instead of the polls.
The economy is only one set of issues at play. It's the slowest recovery in history and completely unsustainable following the current philosophy.
It is completely propped up with smoke and mirrors.
They want to continue to grow the govt. which will mean that a smaller % of the population will be available to feed it.
Health care costs are starting to skyrocket in order to overtly cover the freeloaders under Obamacare.
What is going to happen when the rich no longer have enough money to take from them in order to give to those that don't contribute anything as is happening under Obama? Cuba? Venezuela?
Under Clinton it will be take from the rich and foreign governments to give to the Clintons.
Other items...
More liberal SC justices will be unrecoverable. The country will likely cease to be what I fought to protect.
We will continue to apologize to those who have sworn to annihilate us and our way of life.
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Yes. Trump is a bully and an ass, but I think we are much better equipped to survive and recover from him than from Clinton.
@LarryFisherprice When did they start teaching Macroeconomics in 10th grade?
LOL
Hilarious
Trump will lose, because you deplorable voters are shrinking in population. Thank God
"Hopefully! Economy has been booming for the last 8 years with only very brief pullbacks here and there."
I think you guys are nuts!!!!!!!
Come to my part of the country and you will see an entire different picture. I personally know tons of gas & shale guys were were pull over $100K last year that are washing dishes in pizza parlors today. I personally know tons of coal miners that are out of work. I personally know people that work for Fortune 500 companies that haven't seen a raise over inflation in years. I know doctors that are shitting their pants trying to figure out how they can run their practices and keep the same margins under Obamacare.
I will agree the economy has gone up in spurts here and there and the housing market has come back great (if you're a seller, not a buyer). I will also agree that jobs are not hard to come by today, but GOOD jobs still seem to be elusive.
Trump is what he is and he's unapologetic, the Clintons are what they are, and probably worse IMO, it's just they are experts at making people think they are not what they are - Trump being a jerk does not mean Hillary is an angel
I predict if Hillary is elected, she will suffer a massive mental and/or physical breakdown at some point. Look at her. Listen to her. Chilling
I know that nothing I say or anyone else says is going to change anyone's mind on who to vote for but we need to think about November 9 and there seems to be a real problem and no matter who wins this country needs for our government to get to work and start creating soloutions to the very real problems obstructionism is the province of lazy thinkers we need to find workable compromises or this is just an excercise in futility.
Raul and Fidel Castro is what they are, and unapologetic. Cubans who flee Cuba are what they are, and probably worse. Castro brothers being a jerk does not mean Cuban Americans are angels.
@fagooner- you still gonna ask us questions about stage tipping protocol with your 25 years of strip club experience? :) I see you've changed it to "30 years" of experience on your profile. You've only been on TUSCL for a year, how does it change from 25 to 30 years?? LMAO, faggot troll.
As far as my prediction, I predict the country will be screwed either way.
LOL. I use round numbers and don't want to update over and over. I'll do it one more time so I won't have to any longer.
It's easier to be specific when you're only 15.
Why do you read, memorize, and the re-read my profile? Are you obsessed with me.
I think Clinton will take it simply because only has to grab a couple of states here or there and wrap it up.
I think they're both terrible. Neither one is fit to be President. Both want to be President for their own egos, not because they want to help anybody.
The Republicans blew it big time, just about anyone else would have solidified the Republican vote and kept the Democrats sitting at home on elections day. Instead they picked an entertainer.
shailynn: "but GOOD jobs still seem to be elusive."
Good jobs are super abundant. The problem is finding qualified people to fill them. Most of big companies can't do it domestically so have to bring people in from outside the country. Even then there aren't enough worldwide.
Slowest recovery based on out of date metrics?
I found it interesting reading everyone's coming from. Personally I agree with dougster and 25. I think the people that vote for Trump are doing it to give the middle finger to both parties. The deadlock in government is unacceptable. And we're pissed. But I'm not voting for Trump. No way. I think that Hillary's negatives are minor. He's a dishonest crook and ripped off hand working people. Yeah they both stink. But she stinks less.
Just in: FBI director: New emails don’t change our conclusion that Clinton shouldn’t be charged
Not sure Weinergate really had any influence on the polling, anyway.
^^^ yeah, I'm skeptical of that as well, but definitely good news for the Clinton camp. Bet the market opens way up tomorrow on this.
To shailynn- My apologies in advance I don't intend to hijack this thread but I would really like to point out something that you may not know. I can't speak about where you live but I have spoken to this on other threads many times, I am in the construction industry, and we are always scrambling to fill open positions, they pay well for this area. starting at well over 25k with experienced journeymen tradesmen able to earn 60-70k annually and more with overtime, paid vacation and medical benefits, because of a lack of young people willing to work at these positions. Maybe some of those guys living in your neck of the woods ought consider relocating it would be beneficial to them. No matter what happens, some of those guys (and gals) are going to need to learn new skills, as history teaches that things become obsolete with new technologies. Just like railroads made the covered wagon obsolete the oil pipelines hurt the railroads and so on and so forth these folks need to adapt to the changing times. Make no mistake about it there are plenty of jobs, many of them good paying but these folks need to be trained so that they can get these good paying jobs.
Democratic Landslide, the likes of 1964, 1932, or the 1942 midterm.
Then, we will use the Bernie Sander's Organization to keep progressive pressure on Hillary and the entire government.
SJG
I predict an ass will win.
^ Nostradamus is in the house.
Based on the new letter put out by FBI director Comey I think the election is over Hillary should win it in a walk.
@25: Yep, not a good day for Trump. That's for sure.
Dow futures up 220. Looks like the market agrees with you!
I voted early and think it will be wasted. Although I wouldn't change it, I wish our nations fiscal responsibility would change. We won't know the dire effects that slowly unwind until the I'm reading inflation and taxation takes an exponential uphill turn. It is true that if you don't have any money now, it will be more and more difficult to live the American Dream as time goes on. Save every penny you have so your heirs don't have to live in the socialistic quagmire that is about to transpire over the next few decades. America can be great again if the runaway taxation and inflation abades.
That is the problem with Hillary. Remember that Bill Clinton and Al Gore started the dotcom pandemonium.
Oh well, after voting for Hillary, we will use the Bernie Sanders org to keep the progressive pressure on. That's just how things work.
SJG
There will be an election and no matter who wins, we will be fucked up the ass with baseball bat wrapped in razor wire.
Agreed, but possibly not for the reasons you think.
SJG
I come from a long line of Republicans who thought FDR was the devil reincarnated. Joe Martin, Speaker of the House was a family friend. I became an independent at around age 40 and am now a flaming liberal with hints of Libertarianism ( keep government out of my wallet and my bedroom). Clinton has the election wrapped up; the real suspense next Tuesday is what happens with the Senate. I recently read an excerpt from a doctoral thesis which studied characteristics of Trump supporters and the predominant statistically significant characteristic was authoritarianism. Gender, income, race were all insignificant, but if you prefer obedience over freedom, then Trump's your guy. I'd think that strip club afficianados would lean far to the left on freedom. I also have siblings who are evangelicals and their justification of their support for Drumpf is almost comical. This has to be the most fucked up election since Rutherford Hayes.
Fuck this shit. I'm voting for jackie.
That's it. You've changed my mind. I'm voting for Clinton now.
I'm voting for Brexit
@gawker.
Please explain how treasuring freedom is a leftist position.
Most leftist platform positions advocate big government. The most used tactic is to make citizens dependent on it. How is that consistent with freedom?
I'm back to voting against Hillary
:-)
^^^You flip flopper !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
Come here, txtittyfag, I have a baseball bat with your name on it. :)
I have no prediction on the outcome, it's in a statistical dead heat in these last 2 days. Que sera, sera.
Whatever will be, will be....
We are all screwed no matter which party wins. Plus HiLiter in PHX has turned into air city. First the summer heat and now this. I MN at become a reverse snowbird and move to Montana.
Clinton wins, Democrats take the Senate (or maybe 50-50), Republicans hold the house. Recreational Marijuana passes in Cali.
Vote for MrRock for president!
Not to worry hairless apes. If Trump wins the council of ricks will seize control and save you. Squawk!
If Clinton wins we'll act behind the scenes to control her. Squawk!
Most registered democrats lack enthusiasm this election cycle. Hilary and kaine's rally audiences have been pathetically low. Trumps events have consistently been incredibly enthusiastic overflow crowds. I am nearly to the point of believing that the only way Trump can lose this election is through voter fraud.
Market feels a Hillary win its up big time this morning. Depressed by last two weeks but no longer worried, smart money knows Trump is toast.
I think Clinton takes it, which I think is the better of two shit outcomes for the country. What I don't know is if she takes it big or small.
Big concern is on congress... best possible outcome is Republican congress to counteract Hillary and keep her from doing too too much mischief.
Subra but they need to do business with her or they will be swept out in two years and then she will have majorities in both houses Just saying obstructionism will become a graveyard for Republicans if they don't stop fucking around.
If the only thing they can do is prevent Hillary and Obama from doing damage, then that is what they must do. It is not the same as obstructionism.
The republicans' big problem is disillusioned voters like myself who do not feel that we got what we paid for in the last couple of election cycles. Republicans were supposed to stop Obama, not pander to him. It is that disillusionment with the system and the establishment that caused Trump to win the nomination. I would have loved for Bernie to win the dem nomination, then maybe both parties would have gotten the message.
^^^"I am nearly to the point of believing that the only way Trump can lose this election is through voter fraud."
You are completely nuts, you are certifiable.
I love it. Twenty five is completely my bitch. I totally own him. He is hooked on everything I do, and I've been working him like a ... well, you know. However; he is also a liar, a hypocrite, a coward, ignorant, and a grossly immature waste of time. I am not engaging with him anymore. Our board deserves better than the constant back and forth. He is truly beneath me. I'm not going anywhere, but this is the last time I spend pulling his strings, as much as I've enjoyed it.
You are fucking nuts I have owned you from day one. Fucking Looney Tune.
The election may have already been determined - just heard in the news that the winner of the Alabama/LSU college football game has in the past "predicted" the winner of the presidential race - i.e. since 1984 if LSU won, the Republican candidate won, if Alabama won the Democratic candidate won - Alabama won this year
The 2018 midterms will be ugly for the Dems. Think the right was mad a black man was in the Oval Office in 2010? With President Hillary, 2018 will be the year every frothing at the mouth conservative votes while the Democratic coalition stays home, as they always do during midterms.
flagooner --> "More liberal SC justices will be unrecoverable." -->
If SCOTUS justices who are pro women's rights and will define a woman's rights for her reproductive rights (not overturn Roe v. Wade), defend same-sex marriage, then those liberal justices will have my support.
I am really surprised that being left-leaning of women's freedoms of her own body is a hard sell on a strip club forum. You guys are a bunch of hypocrites or at least a confused bunch. :)
I do agree that people, especially the middle class (more towards the middle 50 and not the top 90, like you guys are) should be more self reliant and work hard. I don't really have much respect for the welfare kings and queens who just mooch.
The problem is not that there aren't jobs. I am not sure what Dougster means about good jobs. Maybe we need more "great jobs." Wage stagnation has been the real problem, at least near the middle. I wish trickle down economics was the cure. I used to think so. .. not so much any more .. based on empirical observation, at least. I'd like to hear the conservative response to grow wages. It seems to be part (1) be mobile / willing to relocate. (2) retrain skills, (3) education, (4) experience, (5) hard work, (6) persistence. And lots more of #6.
throwbackthursady --> "because you deplorable voters are shrinking in population. Thank God" -->
That's one piece of silver lining, sure.
The re-assuring things I read about "king makers" from 1998 was, that only about 25% of them supported bans on abortion and bans on same-sex marriage. This was from 1998 and from the 0.1% -- the ones who donate to elections and get candidates started.
See, it isn't the guy who raises the most campaign money for an election, who wins. Just ask Jeb Bush about that! haha! But the guy or gal who raises $0? He or she doesn't have a chance. So, he or she needs to raise some money to get started. That pulls mainly from a small pool (but not all of them!) from the 0.1%. And many of them, thank God, are socially central or somewhat social liberal. ... so there is hope for the future. It is time.
throwbackthursday +1
shailynn --> "I will also agree that jobs are not hard to come by today, but GOOD jobs still seem to be elusive. " -->
I think dougster and twentyfive mean that good jobs pay $40-60K. Not bad income. I have one myself. And there are lots of those jobs. But I'd like to see more GREAT JOBS (and land one myself, I am not modest!). I am aiming $150K or more. I hope these jobs are out there! I am really trying to work for it!
jester --> "The Republicans blew it big time, just about anyone else would have solidified the Republican vote " -->
I am not surprised. In 2012 the Republicans took a long time to rally behind Mr. Romney. He was (IMO) electable but they didn't rally behind him until the last minute. And it was too little too late for him to beat the charismatic President Obama.
They might as well have rallied behind Mr Romney this time. Mr. Kasich sure wasn't going to get it down (I would have supported him) and Mr. Cruz sure wasn't going to either (I would NOT have supported him).
Meat72 --> "I wish our nations fiscal responsibility would change." -->
I wish our nation's fiscal responsibility would change, too. I disagree on taxes being the problem. I think wage stagnation of the middle is a bigger problem then millionaire's 39% tax rates or 15-20% capital gains taxes. I don't see trickle down (as much as I would like to believe it is the magic solution!) would help anyone, except the rich. It's not job creation we need. It's reversal of wage stagnation.
Meat72 --> "Save every penny you have so your heirs don't have to live" -->
I disagree with inheritance. Partly because my parents aren't around any more and I didn't get any! ;) and partially because I believe America (United States of America) was founded on a principle that a "Landed Aristocracy" is a very bad thing. So I don't support generational wealth. Use the advantages (if any) you were born into, get an education, and make it on your own. I can't get behind anything that resembles a Landed Aristocracy, sorry.
gawker --> "I come from a long line of Republicans ....I became an independent at around age 40 and am now a flaming liberal with hints of Libertarianism ( keep government out of my wallet and my bedroom).....I'd think that strip club aficionados would lean far to the left on freedom." -->
I agree with this whole heartedly, Mr. Gawker. (I don't mean or know if you agree with me, that's not important here).
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For me, I support having ALL OF the freedoms. Much of rightist social conservatism is anti women in my book.
I support women have choices over their bodies and this includes reproductive rights. I support trusting women and giving them the right to make some important choices. This is not a federal choice and this is not a state choice. This is trusting women to make individual choices in the context of them and in the context of their families. I trust them and I support them. It is a hard enough choice. It's her body, let her choose. You certainly enjoyed her choice when you fucked her in the VIP. ;) Now trust her here, too. It's her call.
I support giving women access to Planned Parenthood. PP does a lot of good and provides services to both men and women. Please don't defund this. They provide counseling, gynecological exams, birth control, condoms, and STD testing for both sexes. Please don't defund this. They do a lot of good.
I support not revisiting lost battles. Please don't overturn Roe v. Wade.
I support loving marriages and believe the same marriages should be allowed between loving persons. Many of these loving people are capable of great partnerships and raising families. They should be allowed to enjoy the same rights and privileges as the rest of us traditional marriage people. Same-sex couples are capable of surrogate motherhood and/or adoption. If President Obama can change his option here over the course of his 8 year term, maybe the rest of us can, too!
Anti- sodomy laws and anti-strip clubs laws should go, too! Give a woman the right to choose. Let her dance, if she wants too. Also let her sell her body, if all parties are consenting.
Stop meddling with people's private lives! Keep government and laws out of it!
Now. About that fiscal responsibility ;)
This is Obama's America. A jungle republic with class conflict and ineffectual global influence. Hashtag diplomacy, indeed! Hillary's America will solidify the class strife with ruling class being held to a lower standard and a laxer set of laws than the rest of us must follow. Disagreement will result in ostracization, truth will be subject to the convenience of the administration, and this newfound power will be enforced by a supreme court which permits unprecedented expansion of executive powers while any dissension from congress is ignored. That's why I voted for Trump - to prevent Clinton's America.
LOL! Record turnout of Latino voters, especially in swing states FL and NV. Imagine that? Something about being called criminals, rapists, and murders has a way of turning out the vote.
There you go again gammanu you racist bigot "jungle republic" Really!
Republicans are living at least a century behind the times. Maybe two.
Huh? Thought the orange turd wanted to deport 11 million people and built a wall? Or was that misquoted, too?
ah....changed my mind. Lock her up.
gammanu95, one thing is for sure, when the votes are counted and Hillary has won, the Right Wing Media is not going to go away.
SJG
Guess it's not the end of the world. Right?
Stunning upset. Can't believe it
Mr Celebrity Apprentice Grab girls by the pussy Donald Trump is about to be PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. UPSET OF THE CENTURY. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
Yeah, un(fucking)believable, I'm a Republican but quite honestly I'm a bit scared shitless what this guy is gonna do - and it looks like it could be an all-Republican leadership (Congress + prez), but hey it's not over till it's over, stranger things have happened
This has to go down with the moon-landing in terms of "wow can you believe that"
If the interns had to watch themselves w/ slick Willly, they really better watch their coochies w/ The Donald
The funniest thing it's all those dummies who SJG's revolution who is supposed to help that voted for Trump. Keep telling you, SJG, waste of time to try and help people who don't know what's in their own interest and generally don't give a fuck.
It's more that America doesn't care for a corrupt old hag for president
I really thought the stripper vote was gonna put Hillary over the top but I guess many of them stayed home smoking weed w/ their BFs
Lol!
Guess we just have to make the best of what happened.
^^^^There's no such as the stripper vote. They just post witty memes on Facebook
In any case it's not all bad.
We'll get tax cuts now. Infrastructure spending, including the wall. Bombing the sh*t out of ISIS.
One can't underestimate charisma and Hillary did not seem to have much of it - at least Trump seemed to inspire a lot of the underachieving nut-jobs in the rust-belt LOL
Don't think Trump has the intellectual horsepower or the attention span to understand any of the issues. Maybe he'll end up as sort of a figurehead, with his inner circle actually making policy decisions. You can bet that 20M people will lose their health insurance. Climate change is at critical pivot point, and this might just be the end of the Paris agreement. Just think utter chaos is ahead. Hope I'm wrong.
If I remember correctly similar things were said of Ronald Reagan
Although I'm not comparing Trump to Reagan just saying similar things were said
It's kinda funny seeing some of these broadcasters that obviously hate Trump trying to keep a straight face
"Keep telling you, SJG, waste of time to try and help people who don't know what's in their own interest and generally don't give a fuck."
Dougster, you are mistaken. I am not involved in any kind of political revolution. I am not the one to do that. For one thing, I am way too mean.
No, the organization I am building only indirectly tries to influence politics. We are invitation only, and our people, especially the men, are held to extremely high standards.
Not trying to rally working people or anything like that.
SJG
Yep, probably true. White working class voters without college degrees are the ones who put Trump in the White House and they are precisely the ones who will be fucked over by Trump's agenda. From things like the repeal of ObamaCare, to tariffs on imports, privatization of SS, voucherization of Medicare, cuts in Medicaid and food stamps, etc...
So Trump tapped into racism to get elected, and it worked, brilliantly. Trump is a total assclown, but these people get what they deserve for being clueless voters.
Book which explains exactly what you are saying, people voting identity instead of financial or civil liberties interest. Voting for prohibition on abortion and prayer in schools, getting upper income tax cuts and welfare cuts.
But others, like Doug Henwood, have challenged Thomas Frank on his ideas. They say that these social identity issues actually are the people's interests.
Different way to look at it.
Anyway, just to clarify. Bill and Hillary Clinton, and Al Gore, and Barak Obama reach out to working Americans. But that is not me. What I am building is extremely insular and only in controlled ways tries to influence politics. Primarily it is about Money, Power, and Sex, as well as intellectual concerns.
SJG
A big part of me is glad Hillary lost in order to shut the fuck-up all these celebrities w/ their obvious bias and feeling that they are so enlightened
And I hope the country does really well so they keep their enlightened mouths shut even more
^^^ Not sure who you are referring to Papi. Politics is just an expression of one's broader world view. People in the creative fields are likely to express their views.
They exist on all sides of the spectrum.
SJG
san_jose_guy " Politics is just an expression of one's broader world view. "
need i remind you that YOUR world view consists of the mental institution and your mother's basement so TAKE YOUR FUCKING MEDS ALREADY
All is not lost for the libs though - Kanye West has said he wants to run in 2020 - First Lady/Ho Kim Kardashian anyone?
:)
We have plenty of legitimate and proven Democrats. Bernie Sanders is one. There are many others.
Here in California we just elected Camille Harris to the Senate.
I for one never pay any attention to celebrities. If it were not for the supermarket check out line, I would not even have heard of the Kardashians, and I still don't really know or care who they are.
SJG
Mexico, needs to be the safe haven: flickriver.com
So it's either the devil or the deep blue sea?